[Senate Hearing 105-345] [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office] S. Hrg. 105-345 FIGHTING CRIME AND VIOLENCE IN THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA: CAPITAL PUNISHMENT AS A DETERRENT ======================================================================= HEARING before the SUBCOMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT OF GOVERNMENT MANAGEMENT, RESTRUCTURING, AND THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA of the COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS UNITED STATES SENATE ONE HUNDRED FIFTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION __________ APRIL 30, 1997 __________ Printed for the use of the Committee on Governmental AffairsU.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 40-459 cc WASHINGTON : 1998 _______________________________________________________________________ For sale by the U.S. Government Printing Office, Superintendent of Documents, Congressional Sales Office, Washington, DC 20402 COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS FRED THOMPSON, Tennessee, Chairman WILLIAM V. ROTH, JR., Delaware JOHN GLENN, Ohio TED STEVENS, Alaska CARL LEVIN, Michigan SUSAN M. COLLINS, Maine JOSEPH I. LIEBERMAN, Connecticut SAM BROWNBACK, Kansas DANIEL K. AKAKA, Hawaii PETE V. DOMENICI, New Mexico RICHARD J. DURBIN, Illinois THAD COCHRAN, Mississippi ROBERT G. TORRICELLI, New Jersey DON NICKLES, Oklahoma MAX CLELAND, Georgia ARLEN SPECTER, Pennsylvania Hannah S. Sistare, Staff Director and Counsel Leonard Weiss, Minority Staff Director Michal Sue Prosser, Chief Clerk ------ SUBCOMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT OF GOVERNMENT MANAGEMENT, RESTRUCTURING, AND THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA SAM BROWNBACK, Kansas, Chairman WILLIAM V. ROTH, JR., Delaware JOSEPH I. LIEBERMAN, Connecticut ARLEN SPECTER, Pennsylvania MAX CLELAND, Georgia Ron Utt, Staff Director Laurie Rubenstein, Minority Staff Director and Chief Counsel Esmeralda Amos, Chief Clerk C O N T E N T S ------ Opening statements: Page Senator Brownback............................................ 1 Senator Lieberman............................................ 3 Senator Cleland.............................................. 4 WITNESSES Wednesday, April 30, 1997 Hon. Kay Bailey Hutchison, a U.S. Senator from the State of Texas 5 Tracie Gibson, Widow of District of Columbia Officer Brian Gibson 7 Stephen D. Harlan, Vice Chairman, District of Columbia Financial Responsibility and Management Assistance Authority............. 11 Gary Mather, Senior Vice President, Booz-Allen and Hamilton, Inc. accompanied by James Stewart, Principal, Booz-Allen and Hamilton, Inc.................................................. 14 Larry D. Soulsby, Chief of Police, District of Columbia Police Department..................................................... 16 Hon. Eugene N. Hamilton, Chief Judge, Superior Court of the District of Columbia........................................... 18 Robert Moffit, Deputy Director for Domestic Policy Studies, The Heritage Foundation............................................ 29 C. Stephen Wallis, Washington, D.C. Area School Administrator.... 31 Carol Schwartz, District of Columbia City Council Member......... 37 Rev. H. Beecher Hicks, Jr., Senior Minister, Metropolitan Baptist Church......................................................... 39 Alphabetical List of Witnesses Gibson, Tracie: Testimony.................................................... 7 Hamilton, Hon. Eugene N.: Testimony.................................................... 18 Prepared statement with attachments.......................... 89 Harlan, Stephen D.: Testimony.................................................... 11 Prepared statement........................................... 50 Hicks, Rev. H. Beecher, Jr.: Testimony.................................................... 39 Prepared statement........................................... 156 Hutchison, Hon. Kay Bailey: Testimony.................................................... 5 Prepared statement........................................... 47 Mather, Gary: Testimony.................................................... 14 Prepared statement........................................... 61 Moffit, Robert: Testimony.................................................... 29 Prepared statement........................................... 125 Schwartz, Carol: Testimony.................................................... 37 Prepared statement........................................... 153 Soulsby, Larry D.: Testimony.................................................... 16 Prepared statement........................................... 79 Wallis, C. Stephen: Testimony.................................................... 31 Prepared statement........................................... 149 APPENDIX Prepared statements of witnesses in order of appearance.......... 47 Article in The Washington Post,'' by Stephen D. Harlan, dated April 27, 1997, page C07, entitled ``We Can Cut Crime.''....... 58 Senator Paul Strauss, Shadow U.S. Senator elected by the Voters of the District of Columbia, prepared statement................ 161 Senator Florence Howard Pendleton, U.S. Senator/ns District of Columbia, prepared statement................................... 166 FIGHTING CRIME AND VIOLENCE IN THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA: CAPITAL PUNISHMENT AS A DETERRENT ---------- WEDNESDAY, APRIL 30, 1997 U.S. Senate, Oversight of Government Management, Restructuring, and the District of Columbia Subcommittee, of the Committee on Governmental Affairs, Washington, DC. The Subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 2:06 p.m., in room SD-342, Dirksen Senate Office Building, Hon. Sam Brownback, Chairman of the Subcommittee, presiding. Present: Senators Brownback, Lieberman, and Cleland. OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR BROWNBACK Senator Brownback. We will go ahead and start this hearing. It is the fourth in our series of oversight hearings on how Congress can effectively work with the District of Columbia to help solve some of the major problems facing our Nation's city, Washington, DC. I would like to start this hearing off, if I could, recognizing a terrible tragedy that has taken place in this city with the death of three police officers this year in the District of Columbia, which I hope causes us all to pause and to think just what has happened here, of what has occurred. We will hear testimony from Ms. Gibson, her husband of course involved in one of those tragedies earlier this year. But I would hope we could just pause and reflect and think about these three officers killed in the line of duty. Officer Brian Gibson, survived by his wife, Tracie Gibson, who has joined us here today, with her two children, Brian Gibson, aged 14 months, and Ashley Gibson, aged 11 years old. Officer Oliver Wendell Smith, survived by his wife, Shandra Smith, and Oliver Wendell Smith, II, 5 years old. Officer Robert Johnson, Jr., survived by his wife Yvette, Robert Johnson, III, 4 years old, and Ryir Johnson, 5 months old. Of course, he was just killed over the weekend in a terrible incident that took place that I hope we will hear some more about. I hope everybody in the crowd would be willing to join me in a moment of silence and, for people of faith, if they would join me in a moment of silent prayer for these three patriots of our country that have fallen in the line of duty. [Pause.] Senator Brownback. Thank you. This is perhaps the District's most serious problem-- exceptionally high crime rate--that has cost hundreds of citizens their lives, the three police officers that we just recognized, two of which were people that were actually pursued by criminals that went after them to shoot them, and to do them harm, and to kill them. We have had a crime wave in this city that has affected thousands of residents and businesses, that have fled the city, further weakening the city's economy and financial well-being. I have to tell you, on another personal note, that three of my staff members have been victimized, two of them burglarized and one a car broken into, during this past year in Washington, DC. Now I do take heart in some of the impressive recent actions that happened by the Control Board and what they have stepped in with, and their partners in the Memorandum of Understanding that has occurred. Still, you look at the overall factual situation of crime in the District of Columbia since 1985, homicides have risen 169 percent, robberies up 50 percent, and auto theft by a staggering 500 percent. I hope and pray we are at the Nation's high water mark for the amount of violent crime taking place in our country and in our Nation's capital because it hurts our citizens, and it hurts our schools, it hurts our communities unbelievably. I am heartened by some of the initiatives undertaken by mayors like Mayor Guiliani of New York City. We are now seeing a recent example of very successful urban crime fighting that has proven results as Mr. Harlan noted in a recent op-ed piece, New York City has reduced major crime by 39 percent since 1993 and homicides have been cut in half. There has been a successful implementation of the District partnership in a Memorandum of Understanding. There has been some immediate and decisive action that has happened in the District of Columbia which I am very pleased to see. They have targeted high crime neighborhoods, and put an additional 400 police officers on the streets. The results have been equally swift and decisive. March arrests are up 72 percent. Some measures indicate that crime rates are falling. This is a good start, but much more needs to be done. Today we will be looking at additional steps that can dramatically reduce the District's crime rate, including an increase in the penalties for committing crime--particularly crime towards police officers. I have to pause once again. This is almost unimaginable to me, that people would go out and actually pursue police officers to do them harm, to kill police officers. What has happened in this society that we actually have that occurring-- and in our Nation's capital. We have got to take decisive action to move forward on that. I hope the city does. We will be hearing from the city about that. The first panel of witnesses have such a proposal in front of us, I wanted to have them here to speak to us on the Officer Brian Gibson District of Columbia Police Protection Act. We will also hear from other members of the City Council and from the Police Department. But I hope we pause and we thank the people that have served and we ask, What can we do now? I would like to turn it over for an opening statement from Senator Lieberman, the ranking minority, who has an equal passion and care for what is happening here, as well. Senator Lieberman. OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR LIEBERMAN Senator Lieberman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thanks and congratulations to you on the leadership that you have shown through this Subcommittee in trying to focus the attention of the Senate and Congress more generally on the problems of the Nation's capital in a way that is constructive, that is open to new ideas in responding to these problems, and, most of all, that tries to build a sense of partnership with the people who live in and govern, and in this case, police our Nation's capital, to see if together we cannot make all of this better. As you indicated, the numbers here on crime, except for the recent statistics, are not good. We all have an interest, those who live here permanently and those of us who live here part of the time, in seeing those numbers improve. From 1985 to 1996 homicides in the District rose 169 percent. Robbery increased by 50 percent. Assaults were up 39 percent, and motor vehicle theft skyrocketed by 490 percent. Mr. Chairman, for too long residents of too many of the District's neighborhoods have lived in fear. And for too long, these residents have watched that crime rate rise, even as it has decreased in most of the Nation's other major cities. Something has happened to many people here in the District to cut them from the ties that bind most of the people of the District--and most of the people throughout the country-- together in a sense of community and shared values. To me nothing demonstrates this problem more than the disproportionate, devastating rate with which this city has watched its police officers targeted and senselessly murdered. Since late 1994, eight D.C. law enforcement officers have been slain. That is a number that is so riveting that the beginning of a response to it is just the moment of silent prayer that you called for, Mr. Chairman, and then the continuation has to be a collective cry to stop this from occurring. To say the obvious--and maybe I am getting to a point where I am old-fashioned--but we must never lose the sense that we are all together in this, that the police officers are representing us, that every morning that a police officer puts on his uniform as Officer Gibson did, that officer is going out to represent us. He or she is protecting us. The idea that someone would turn on them use to be unthinkable. But for too many people, the police officer has become them as against their ``us.'' The truth is, we are all together, and we have got to revive that fundamental sense that the laws are adopted to protect all of us, that police officers are sent out there every day to do a job for us. And when they are assaulted or murdered, it is as if we have been assaulted and part of us has been murdered. That is why we cry out with the kind of anger that people in the District have, that those of us who live here have, live here as Members of Congress, and why I understand very well the feelings that motivate Senator Hutchison in bringing this legislation before us today. So we look forward to hearing her testimony, and I thank Ms. Gibson for her courage in honoring her husband's memory by coming forward and speaking to us from her heart and her own history and experience. I look forward to the witnesses who will discuss the recent Booz-Allen report, which made some very bold suggestions about how to improve law enforcement here in the District. The recent statistics, as the Chairman indicated, have been encouraging. That is for a 5- or 6-week period most recently reviewed. Our hope and prayer is that we stick with this and we hang in there and that we, in Congress, give you as much support as we can to make this happen. I note with some admiration the statement made by Senator Faircloth earlier in the week about his own willingness to support a significant increase in the compensation for District police officers, as a way not just to express our fair gratitude and express it with fair compensation, but also to hopefully build the kind of morale and the continuation of service here by officers, too many of whom have gone on to other police departments where the pay is higher. This is an important afternoon for the District of Columbia. It is also very important for Congress. And because this is America's city, it is important for our whole country. So I look forward to the testimony and thank all of you who have taken time to be with us. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Senator Brownback. Thank you, Senator Lieberman. Senator Cleland. OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR CLELAND Senator Cleland. Certainly, Mr. Chairman, thank you very much. I would like to make an opening statement. It is a pleasure to be with you here. I am sorry it has to be on the subject of crime that has taken the toll of the lives of actual people. As someone who has worn the uniform in the military, I can say to you that it is not fun being a target. I think more and more of our law enforcement officers around the Nation feel that they are. Ms. Gibson, we are delighted to see you here and maybe something positive can arise out of this tragedy. Senator Hutchison, nice to see you, and nice to be with all of you. I have no magic answer for solving crime in the country or in D.C. I will say that, as a State Senator in my home State in the early 1970's, I supported the death penalty and still do. I support the death penalty for killing of police officers. I think the question of crime is probably a lot deeper than that. I notice that with testimony that will be delivered to us later today, I do not want to steal anybody's thunder, but the Heritage Foundation indicates that between 1988 and 1992, one- fifth of all persons arrested for killing a police officer were on probation or parole at the time of the offense. So I think we have to look at our parole policies, and probation policies. I also note that the recent New York Times article said that a group of criminologists at the University of Maryland reported to Congress, after evaluating the effectiveness of various crime prevention programs, they found that many popular approaches to crime, including expanded prison construction, have had little impact in reducing crime, that most Federal programs have been undertaken with minimal evaluation. It did indicate some promising results from programs such as intensified police patrols--which has been recommended by more than just that group, intensified police patrols in high crime areas; drug treatment programs in prisons; and early intervention on behalf of infants in troubled families. I would just say, Mr. Chairman, there are some good testimony to be offered today before this Subcommittee. I have read some of it. We just appreciate you convening this group and this Subcommittee, so hopefully the actions that we take can mitigate crime not only in D.C. but around the country, and that hopefully we can find some links between criminal behavior and the killing of police officers that hopefully will save the lives of police officers in the future. Thank you for your testimony today and we thank you for the time, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Senator Brownback. Thank you, Senator Cleland. Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, thank you for your interest in this topic, and the floor is yours. TESTIMONY OF THE HON. KAY BAILEY HUTCHISON,\1\ A U.S. SENATOR FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS Senator Hutchison. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to thank you for calling this hearing because I think it is important that we do everything that we can to protect the police officers who put their lives on the line for all of us every day. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \1\ The prepared statement of Senator Hutchison appears in the Appendix on page 47. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- After the senseless tragedy in February that cost Officer Brian Gibson his life, I introduced this bill and named it in his honor, the ``Officer Brian Gibson District of Columbia Police Protection Act.'' I introduced this bill because I believe it is of utmost urgency that we let the officers know that they are going to have every protection that we can give them. Right now 38 States have the death penalty. Virginia has it. Maryland has it. The Capitol Police Corps has it. The only people in this entire area who do not have the protection of the death penalty for an assailant are the District of Columbia police officers. I do not think that is right. I think it is an inequity that must be changed. I want to read to you, just briefly, the circumstances of the three police officers who have been killed since February of this year. Brian Gibson was in his patrol car in uniform. The killer had been bounced from a bar by an off-duty policeman. He walked up to Mr. Gibson's patrol car and shot him in the head in cold blood. D.C. Officer Wendell Smith was killed at his home in Prince George's County, Maryland in February. He was in civilian clothes. His murderer was laying in wait and killed him as he got out of his car. D.C. Officer Robert Johnson, who was killed just last Saturday, was waiting outside the police station with another officer after work. The officers identified themselves to the murderer as policemen. The murderer then attacked both of them, killing Mr. Johnson and injuring the other officer. My point, Mr. Chairman, is that none of these three officers were killed in a crime of passion. These were premeditated murders of people because they were police officers. Now I think if you can ever make the argument that a death penalty is a deterrent, it is in a case where someone is assailed in cold blood just because he is a police officer. That is why I think it is so important that we look at this protection for our D.C. officers. Now I think that the other point that we must make about this bill is that there is a disagreement about whether it should be Congress that does this. I talked to the Mayor of the District of Columbia and to Council Member Schwartz about this issue. They believe, as I would expect them to, that they should have the right to do this. I agreed to step back. I want to go forward with the process so that I will not lose the ability to do this if the District does not act first. But I will give them the opportunity to act first. I am happy to do that. But if they are not able to do it in the next couple of months, before they go out of session in the summer, I do believe it is our responsibility as Congress, as it was given to us specifically in the Constitution, to make sure that this city functions and that we have a safe city for the people who live here, and for all Americans. This is our capital city. It belongs to all of us. We fund part of it as well, and it is only a minor part of our responsibility that we would make sure that this city runs well. That is why I am joining with others to increase the District officers' pay. I think that is another step that we must take. I questioned the Chief very closely about whether the officers have the bullet proof vests that they needed and whether they have the cars in operating condition. I think we have got to assure that they have all of the protections, including the death penalty for someone who would shoot them in cold blood, as the last three officers have been murdered. So I am willing to work with the District in every way. I applaud the Mayor and Ms. Schwartz for coming forward and agreeing with me on the merits of this bill, though not agreeing that it should be Congress' prerogative. Nevertheless, I believe the buck stops with us. So, if the District is not able to act, I think it is our responsibility to give these officers the protections that they so richly deserve. Furthermore, it will be in all of our best interest because public safety will be better if they do have those protections. I truly believe, in my heart, that some of these officers would not have been killed if someone had known that they would face the death penalty. That is why I am going to pursue this from my heart. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am most pleased that, since I have named this bill in honor of Officer Gibson, that his widow is with us today to also provide testimony for the record. Just as a personal aside, I want to say that I watched this whole process after the killing of Officer Gibson, and I was moved by the dignity that Tracie Gibson showed. She was poignant in her grief, and I think that she has shown much courage and much commitment to be with us today to show her support so that no other woman or man in this city will ever have to face what she did. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Senator Brownback. Thank you very much, Senator Hutchison, and for your interest in this issue. Ms. Gibson, I do not know if anybody could have introduced you any better than what Senator Hutchison did, nor think of you any higher. Thank you for your courage and your willingness to be here in front of us today. The floor is yours. TESTIMONY OF TRACIE GIBSON, WIDOW OF DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA OFFICER BRIAN GIBSON Ms. Gibson. I would first like to thank, from the family, Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison for introducing the bill in my husband's name. I would like to thank you. My name is Tracie Gibson. On February 5, 1997, the date of my fourth wedding anniversary, will forever be etched in my mind as one of the worst days of my life and the life of my family and my friends. When my husband left for work on the evening of February 4, nothing could have prepared me for that dreadful awakening that I was to receive at 3 a.m. that morning. My husband, Master Patrol Officer Brian Theodore Anderson Gibson, and I had laid out plans for our future and the future of our two daughters and our other plans for other kids. These plans will never be realized. My life and the life of my family members were traumatized to the extent that I doubt that we will ever be the same. His parents were left without their son, his sister without her only brother, his daughters without their father, and me without my husband. My youngest child will never know the love that her father had for her. She will only know what we tell her about her dad. Our oldest daughter will continue special counseling until it is felt that she can again function day-to- day in a normal fashion. Life is precious and each and every human is entitled to live his or her life to the extent that is granted by God. No human should be murdered the way that Brian was murdered. He was doing the job that he had dreamed of doing and he was an outstanding officer. He exhibited pride and honor in his chosen career. My husband realized that his job was hazardous and dangerous. However, he was doing what he wanted to do in life. He was proud of the protection that he was providing to the citizens of this city. His family and friends were also very proud of him. Any human found guilty of murder in the first degree must face the death penalty, especially if the murder caused the death of a public servant who is providing protection for the citizens of any municipality. I cannot understand how citizens could feel that one public servant's life carries more importance than another public servant's life. Had my husband been a Federal officer murdered on the exact same street that Brian was murdered on, we would not be here today asking that justice be done in that instance, and in two similar instances since Brian was murdered. No one should feel that he or she can walk up to another human being, take his or her life, and feel that there is a possibility to walk the streets as a free person again. There is something that is not human about this current process. A message must be sent that there is a price and a penalty to be paid when you take a person's life and that victims are indeed given consideration when preyed upon by criminals. I thank you for offering me this opportunity and time to express some of my feelings as I attempt to go on from here with what is left in my life. Thank you. Senator Brownback. Thank you very much, Ms. Gibson. Senator Hutchison, I have supported the death penalty in the most heinous of crimes and I certainly consider it to be applicable in this situation, where police officers would be stalked and hunted by others in this society. But I have to back up and just wonder, what is going on when over a period of 4 months in our Nation's capital, if the allegations are accurate and it certainly seems like the factual basis is very strong, three known police officers defending the rest of us were stalked and hunted down for representing the safety of the rest of us. What is going on here that would cause that sort of mentality? Senator Hutchison. I think that is what makes this the most heinous of crimes. You know, it is one thing when there is a shoot-out where there is a crime of passion. But these were cold-blooded, premeditated murders. I think that does make us pause, and I think it means that we must address the issue that someone would be so cavalier that they would, in a cold-blooded way, murder police officers because they are police officers. I think that it means we have got to address that issue. And I think the fact that there is the death penalty in every other part of this area, and that only the D.C. police officers are in this situation, adds to the urgency that I have to make sure that they have the protection. You do not see this kind of statistic with the Capitol Police, who have this protection; or in the near areas of Virginia or Maryland. It is something that I think we must address and it is why I am pursuing this after the District has its opportunity. I am going to go right up through the process, until we can go to the Senate floor, if this Subcommittee will vote out the bill. I do not want to lose my rights and my time, although I will defer to the District if they would like to move forward first. But I do not think we can leave these people hanging out there without their protection. It is not right and it is an abrogation of our responsibility. Senator Brownback. So you would like to see us vote this bill on forward and keep it moving forward in a timely fashion, even though you are willing to agree to some time frame for the District itself to decide? Have you articulated a time frame that you would like to see the District of Columbia act by? Senator Hutchison. I believe if the District turns this bill down sometime between now and July, when they go on their summer recess, then I want to be able to act immediately to go forward on this bill. If they are still in the process right up until July 5 or July 6, or whenever they go out, and they have not acted at that time, then I want to pursue this bill with great urgency. I do want to give them a reasonable amount of time, and they certainly have been on notice of what I wanted to do since February. I will give them that deference. But after that, I think our responsibility takes precedence. And it is our responsibility to assure that this city runs and I want to work with the city in every possible way. But I think the fact that the Mayor and Council Member Schwartz at least are sponsoring this, shows that they, too, see that this is something that is just right. And I hope that we can come together, if they are not able to do it at the District level, and move forward. Senator Brownback. Ms. Gibson, do you have any thoughts on this, whether it should be done in the Senate or the City Council? Ms. Gibson. No, I think that the Council should be given the opportunity and it depends on what they do with that opportunity, but I agree with the Senator. Senator Brownback. Good. Senator Lieberman Senator Lieberman. Thanks, Mr. Chairman. Your question to Senator Hutchison, of course, is just at the heart of it all, your first question, which is why would people do this? I tell you, we had a hearing a week or so ago about the District's school system. Just before that hearing, tragically, there was an incident with sexual activity among kids in the third and fourth grade. And I think we both had the sense that this is a sign of accumulation of the many ways in which we are victimizing our children and that, in some measure, it is just civilization hitting the bottom. I think that happens when a police officer is targeted, too, because a police officer is the symbol of authority. And as you pointed out, Senator Hutchison, we are not talking here about a police officer in pursuit or a crime of passion. These murders, in some measure, were assassinations. These were intentional acts of murder directed against individuals either because they were police officers, in the case of Officer Gibson, or knowing that they were police officers. That is why we all, in some sense, have become numb to crime. I have a neighbor at home in Connecticut who said if this many people were killed by a foreign enemy, we would be on the verge of dropping nuclear weapons on them. It would be that devastating to us. And yet in some sense, because this happens day after day throughout our country, we get numb to it. What we are saying here, because of the extremity of these acts against police officers, that it stuns us and it stuns us in a way that all other crimes should, but this one really stuns us so we try to react. Incidentally, as far as my staff can determine, the numbers here for these intentional murders of police officers are not approached by any other major city in the country. There are other cases where police officers have been killed, in the last decade--nowhere near this number because they were a police officer. Senator Hutchison, let me just clarify---- Senator Hutchison. Senator Lieberman, I really want to just reinforce what you said. They are assassinations, and that is what makes them so much more unbelievable. Senator Lieberman. Thank you. Let me clarify, and I am sure you believe this, your hesitancy about moving forward now has nothing to do with a concern about the legal authority of Congress to adopt the proposal you are making? It is your own sense of, if you will, comity or deference to the District, to give the District Government an opportunity to do this first? Senator Hutchison. That is exactly right, Senator. I think Congress has the absolute power. I think there is no question that it does. The framers of our Constitution wanted the capital city to be everyone's city. They wanted it to be America's city and they gave Congress the authority to make sure that it runs. Congress has granted home rule and therefore I want to give the Council every opportunity. But like every city has a State that sometimes the city does not agree with, we have much the same relationship. We are the State to the city and I think the city has some legitimate grievances against us, the State. But we also have some responsibilities that we must meet. So, I think we need to work together in everyone's best interest and only because I would like to give the city the opportunity to exercise home rule in this instance, I am going to step back. But I absolutely will not wait beyond that first part of July to move forward if it is not the will of the Council to do so. Senator Lieberman. I agree with you, and the analogy to the State is a good one, particularly now because we do have the Federal Government, in various forms, coming forward with reform proposals to assume some of the financial responsibilities that States have normally assumed for local city Governments which the Federal Government has not fully assumed previously for the District. Ms. Gibson, let me just ask you one question. Again, you are a very strong woman, and it gives us a sense of what your husband was like, although I did not have the honor to know him. He was a hero. We are going to hear from a lot of experts for the rest of the afternoon on ideas for what we might do to help to improve the quality of law enforcement and safety of citizens here in the District. You live here in the District. You have lived-- your husband was a police officer. If you want to now, or if you want to later by submitting something in writing, I am interested just to see whether you would have any thoughts for us as to what Congress or the District Government might do to protect police officers and improve the safety of residents in the District. Ms. Gibson. Well, one thing that comes to mind is to make sure that every police officer has all of the equipment that they are supposed to have, at a minimum, all the support. I do not think that they should have to reach back for anything. I think that everything should be right there at their fingertips. Definitely, the pay increase would help the morale, I would think. There are a few other things, and I would not mind putting them in writing, but something like the death penalty bill, I think, would make the officers feel as if they have the support there from the Council and the Senate. I have a few other things---- Senator Lieberman. That is a very helpful answer and I would welcome, and I am sure the Chairman would, any additional thoughts you would have in writing after the hearing. Thanks very much for being here. Ms. Gibson. Thank you. Senator Brownback. Thank you both very much, and we appreciate it. Senator Hutchison. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I do have a statement. I did not read it, but I would like for it to be in the record. Senator Brownback. Without objection, it will be. Thank you very much, both of you. The second panel will be Stephen Harlan, the Vice Chairman, District of Columbia Financial Responsibility and Management Assistance Authority; Gary Mather, Senior Vice President, Booz- Allen and Hamilton, Incorporated; James Stewart, Principal of Booz-Allen and Hamilton; Larry Soulsby, Chief of Police, District of Columbia Police Department; and the Hon. Eugene N. Hamilton, Chief Judge, Superior Court of the District of Columbia. We have had some studies done on the District of Columbia police officers by the Control Board. We will hear information on them, and also from the Chief of Police and the Chief Judge. Thank you very much, gentlemen. I know you have a great deal of interesting information. I have been previously briefed on this. I believe Senator Lieberman was at the same briefing, on some of this information. What I would like to do is run the time clock on you at 5- minute intervals. Can we keep it to 5 minutes, because we have such a large panel and I have a number of questions, and I think Senator Lieberman will, as well. So if you can take your comments, if you need to boil them down, we will take the written statements so that we have them in the record, and then have plenty of time for some question and interaction. Mr. Harlan, if you would care to start off, I hope you do not mind those parameters. If it is too strict, we will try to accommodate, but if you can, we would appreciate that. The floor is yours. TESTIMONY OF STEPHEN HARLAN,\1\ VICE CHAIRMAN, DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY AND MANAGEMENT ASSISTANCE AUTHORITY Mr. Harlan. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am delighted to be here. My name is Stephen Donald Harlan. I am Vice Chairman of the District of Columbia Financial Responsibility and Management Assistance Authority. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \1\ The prepared statement of Mr. Harlan appears in the Appendix on page 50. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- In December, 1996, the Authority released a strategic plan that we had developed. Public safety was one of the two main critical concerns in the plan, along with others, but public schools and public safety were right at the top of the priority list. In December, also, the Mayor, the Chief of Police, the Chairman of the District Council, the Chief Judge of the Superior Court, and the Corporation Counsel, the U.S. Attorney and the Authority entered into a Memorandum of Understanding that you referenced in your opening remarks. One of the things that we decided to do early on was to work together as a group. Reducing crime, the fear of crime, and general disorder is something that requires a lot of coordination and a lot of interaction with other parts of the city, not just the police. But the police have a very major role in that. In December, we searched and identified a number of possible consultants to help us in this Memorandum of Understanding effort. On December 31, we hired Booz-Allen and Hamilton to be the consultant to the Memorandum of Understanding partners, the MOU partners. Booz-Allen started its work on January 6, 1997 and the task was such that we expected a report at the end of March. Because of the escalating crime, the defining event being the murder of Officer Gibson, the MOU partners decided not to wait until March. So, we encouraged Booz-Allen to bring forth the recommendations that it had at that time, and this was mid- February, 1997. On February 26, based on the consultants recommendations, we implemented several changes in Metropolitan Police operations. What the consultant had found was many of the points that you raised. Crime and the fear of crime are unacceptably high within the District of Columbia, one of the highest if not the highest in the country. Less than 10 percent of the officers were working in scout cars. Two-thirds of the officers on the force had made 10 or fewer arrests in a year, and half of all officials made no arrests at all. Salary levels were extraordinarily low when contrasted to the surrounding jurisdictions, 14 percent below the average. Not the high point, but the average salary paid in the surrounding jurisdictions. The Police Department really was not organized effectively to deliver the necessary police services to the District of Columbia. The MOU partners concluded that bold action was required and must be taken immediately. We could not wait on further studies and things of this nature. One of the main points was empowering the Chief of Police. The Chief must have control over promotions and demotions. He must have the ability to remove non-performing officers and civilian employees. To that end, on February 26, 1997 the Mayor delegated his personnel, his purchasing, and his budgetary authority to the Office of the Chief of Police. The MOU partners also agreed that several crime fighting strategies should be implemented immediately. These strategies focused on the elimination of open air drug markets, elimination of violent crimes, the violence and disorder associated with some of the night clubs, and quality of life crimes, such as urinating in public and drinking alcohol in public, and traffic violations. Gary Mather of Booz-Allen and Chief Soulsby will report on the consultants baseline findings and some of the details of what has occurred since the police began the initiatives. However, I would like to report that the Chief has developed a new mission statement for the Police Department which calls for the Department to eliminate crime, fear of crime and general disorder, while at the same time establishing respect and trust for the police within the community. Before our work began, I had personally gone to each of the District commanders, all seven of them, and I asked what are you trying to accomplish. I had seven different answers. The Department needed a central core theme, or mission that everyone could understand; that could be repeated and repeated and repeated, and set that as the goal that we are trying to accomplish. The Chief has done that. He has established a new leadership team within the Police Department. He has promoted 39 sergeants, 21 lieutenants and 6 captains. He has redeployed 400 sworn officers to deal with crime and the fear of crime and formed a Police Department internal team to work with Booz-Allen, the consultants to develop a new policing model. Already the Police Department has achieved several positive results, including a significant increase in the morale throughout the Department; an improvement in the community's perception of the Police Department's ability to target crime, the fear of crime, and general disorder; an increase in the number of arrests which you alluded to, which have more than doubled in the areas where we are targeting crime; and a decrease in the number of homicides for the first quarter of the calendar year, the lowest quarter reported in the last 10 years. Mr. Chairman, I would be remiss if I did not take this opportunity to discuss the importance of the pay raise for the police officers. As I noted earlier in my testimony, police officers are paid an average of 14 percent less than the officers in the surrounding jurisdictions. Some officers in the surrounding jurisdictions are paid as much as 22 percent more than Metropolitan police officers. And yet the police officers in the District, the Nation's Capital, work in a difficult and dangerous environment, much more difficult and dangerous than some of the surrounding areas, placing their lives on the line every day. As we heard, in the first 4 months we have had three officers murdered. Chief Soulsby has proposed, and the MOU partners have agreed to a 10 percent pay raise for the police officers. The 10 percent pay raise, costing a total of $8.8 million for the second half of fiscal year 1997, would bring the officers closer to the average pay of the surrounding jurisdictions. This pay raise, which would be tied to performance standards and work rule changes agreed to by the union, by the FOP, is important to sustain improved performance within the Department. All MOU partners are carrying out responsibilities of their own, though, to reduce crime and the fear of crime. We have all undertaken certain tasks. The Authority has the task of not only working with the consultants, and being the coordinator for this MOU group, but the Mayor has delegated his power; the Council has agreed to pass certain laws, for instance considering bail reform, laws to fund the cost of closing abandoned houses, and removing abandoned automobiles; the Superior Court is streamlining their processing procedures; the Corporation Counsel is training police; and the U.S. Attorney is providing training and considering night papering which requires prosecutors and judges to work at night. Senator Brownback. If you could, I hate to do this to you, Mr. Harlan, but if you could summarize the rest of your comments, I would appreciate that. Mr. Harlan. That is fine. These other gentlemen will focus on what has happened. But let me also say that we traveled to New York, Boston, and Chicago, I have personally, along with some of the other MOU partners, and I am convinced that this terrible crime crisis that we have right now can be fixed. It is doable. Other cities have done it. We can do it. I wrote an article that was published last Sunday in the paper, that you alluded to, and I am absolutely convinced that this can be done, and that we will do it with your support, and with the support of the Congress, and of the White House on various things that are needed. So with that, I will close summarize and take your questions when you are ready, sir. Senator Brownback. Thank you very much, Mr. Harlan. I would like to now turn to the Booz-Allen and Hamilton group, which did the investigation, appraisal, statistical gathering regarding the Police Department and its functioning. I do not know, Mr. Mather or Mr. Stewart, who would care to be the principal presenter? I am just going to lump you both together and still give you 5 minutes, so we are not going to give you 10. Mr. Stewart. I would yield my time to Mr. Mather. Senator Brownback. You will yield your 5 minutes, and together that is 5 minutes. If you could, just because both Senator Lieberman and myself have been briefed on this study so we have some good understanding on it. If you could, I think, hit the high points on it, then we will go to some questions. TESTIMONY OF GARY MATHER,\1\ SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT, BOOZ-ALLEN and HAMILTON, INC., ACCOMPANIED BY JAMES ``CHIPS'' STEWART, PRINCIPAL, BOOZ-ALLEN and HAMILTON Mr. Mather. I am Gary Mather, Senior Vice President of Booz-Allen and Hamilton. I have overall responsibility for our firm's efforts to help transform the Metropolitan Police Department of the District of Columbia. With me is Chips Stewart, a former police executive and official of the Department of Justice. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \1\ The prepared statement of Mr. Mather appears in the Appendix on page 61. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think the Control Board recognized from the beginning that reducing crime involved more than just the Police Department and, as Steve talked about, the first step was the formation of a Memorandum of Understanding. I think the decision by the Board to include all these players was one of the key reasons why the current effort has been successful. Booz-Allen began work about 3 months ago, and let me just spend a few minutes summarizing the highlights of our progress. The initial phase of our project sought to do two things. First, we wanted to understand, from the MOU stakeholders, their objectives and points of view. Second, we wanted to develop a baseline or profile of the Department as it existed early this year. I think what we found was that the greatest concern of the stakeholders were the numbers of crimes committed in the District versus the Department's relative effective in reacting to crime. The purpose of the baseline survey was to delve into the Department and gather detailed and extensive data on how it was operating. First, the Department's mission. We recommended that the Department's mission should shift to concentrate on crime prevention and reduction and, as important, reduction of the fear of crime. Relationship with the community. We recommended that MPD needed to work proactively with the community in the development and execution of crime control strategies, much as many of the Nation's leading police departments are doing. Crime analysis. We recommended that crime control strategies must be a primary product of crime analysis at all levels of the Department and headquarters to the District level, and right down to the beat. Patrol deployment. At the time of the baseline survey about 16 percent of the Department's sworn officers were available for patrol. The remaining officers were being used for a range of other activities, thereby being diverted from the core police function of street patrol. We recommended a massive reallocation of resources to triple the number of officers focused on patrol beats. Organization and staffing. We found many administrative jobs being performed by officers that could just as easily be outsourced or performed by civilians. Information and technology, infrastructure, equipment and facilities. We found that the Department had been undercapitalized for some time. We found that much of an officer's time is spent filling out reports. It takes 4 hours to book in this city, versus 15 minutes in some other areas, just because of information technology. Facilities have not received attention in years. They are in shambles and are a demoralizing factor for the officers. Performance management. We found that performance review of officers had not been done for 11 years and suggested that that be done immediately. The Department budget. The District of Columbia is our Nation's capital. In one sense, the city belongs to the citizens who live here, but many feel it also belongs to our country. We feel a vital question surrounds how the budget for the MPD is determined. Should it be determined by the economy and tax base of the local community or by what it takes to make the Nation's capital a safe place to live? We think it's the latter. Let me finish my testimony by reviewing a few key issues that have recently received public attention. First was the empowerment of the Chief's position, which Steve talked about. Next was building a team. The Department leadership team we encountered on day one was dysfunctional, riddled with politics and in basic disagreement on future directions for the Department. We recommended that the Chief choose a team that would share a common vision of the future and he did, and put that team in place. There had to be a clear demonstration that if the Department headed in the recommended direction it would, in fact, make a difference. Third, the Chief responded by assembling 400 officers, deploying them to the most crime-ridden sections of each district. As you will hear from the Chief, violent crime dropped dramatically and quickly. The fourth was compensation. Booz-Allen compared the compensation of MPD officers with that of officers in surrounding jurisdictions and the result was surprising, as Steve talked about. The job of the MPD officer is probably the most difficult in the region. The question arises, how can the Department possibly attract the best talent necessary to combat crime when potential officers can go to neighboring communities and make more? We recently appealed to the Office of Management and Budget for a $200 million infusion of capital to make up for failures to invest in the Department for many years. In discussing these deficiencies with Congressional staffers, we have been told the District of Columbia has no constituency when it comes to allocating money, except perhaps at the White House. It is said that there is very little mileage in spending money on the District, in contrast to back home where the votes are. The reply has to be someone has to take ownership, such as this Subcommittee, of the importance of our Nation's capital and how its condition affects the way the rest of the world perceives the United States. Let me close by noting where we are going. For the past 2 weeks, Booz-Allen has hosted a working session at our McLean office for a team of 20 officers and civilians from the MPD. In about 2 weeks, the Department will begin a massive shift of resources to a deep focused operating model that will concentrate on crime prevention as the Department's No. 1 priority. The number of street officers who work with the community on patrol will grow quickly from about 570 to more than 1,700. This major redeployment comes at the right time. We are about to enter the summer months when crime rates tend to be at the highest. It is also noted that the Department has been receptive to our recommendations for change and Chief Soulsby is clearly leading implementation. His dedication to this change has captured the attention and support of his colleagues in the ranks, as well as Booz-Allen. I would just like to close by saying the Control Board has made a delightful client. Thank you very much, Chips and I would be glad to answer any questions. Senator Brownback. Thank you very much. I appreciate that a great deal, and your timeliness, and it sounds encouraging with some of these things taking place. Mr. Soulsby is the Chief of Police. I know you have had a very, very tough few months here. Please tell us what you are planning for the future. TESTIMONY OF LARRY D. SOULSBY,\1\ CHIEF OF POLICE, DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA POLICE DEPARTMENT Mr. Soulsby. Good afternoon, Senator Brownback and Subcommittee Members. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \1\ The prepared statementof Chief Soulsby appears in the Appendix on page 79. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I appear before this Subcommittee at a time of great trauma from the loss of our officers and a genuine promise of transformation within the Metropolitan Police Department. For many years the Department has not been structured to productively combat the forces of crime and violence in the Nation's capital, but I am pleased to testify that the Department now is in initial stages of transformation that will enable it to provide safe and secure neighborhoods throughout the city. Crime rates have begun to fall and will fall further. The transformation of the Metropolitan Police Department depends on the contributions of many parties. You have heard about the MOU partners, the key stakeholders who have set aside and laid down basic groundworks and set aside their personalities to help us achieve these goals. You have heard from the Booz-Allen and Hamilton consultants who have diagnosed many problems in the past and are helping us work our way through these problems. There is an initial role for Congress to play, I think, also. As I requested, in testimony last week before the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee, the Department must have a 10 percent pay raise for the officers. There are many reasons I can go into this, but quite frankly, we are changing the entire dynamics of almost everyone in this Department. We have changed a lot of things and we are asking them to do tremendously more, and we need something to give back to them. I believe that obtaining--I am trying to skip through here to save time, sorry. We are at a juncture where all factors seem to be in alignment to propel us to the future are there. We think we can achieve great success but we need help. We need help on many areas. These factors include political will, citizen's demand for crime control reduction, the prospects of financial resources needed to obtain equipment and a pay raise are things that we must have to keep us moving forward. Let me describe briefly some of the transformation that we are going through. The process of transformation began when we signed the MOU partnership. The Department has always demonstrated a willingness to put aside their turf consideration, which in this city is a major accomplishment in and of itself. The most significant area of support provided the Department has been the Mayor's empowerment of the Office of Chief of Police. By delegating personnel, budget and procurement authority to the Chief, the Mayor has enabled the Chief to establish the foundation for transforming the Department. This role is pivotal if we are going to improve for the future. I have to have the ability to make key decisions, to deploy resources, to hire, fire, promote personnel based on demonstrated competence. Without the necessary authority and autonomy, it would be impossible to transform the Department and to ensure the citizens are achieving adequate police service. Second only to the Mayor's empowerment of the Chief is the authority to remove the Department's sworn and civilian employees who do not meet the high standards of integrity and performance that we expect in the new Metropolitan Police Department. For the first time, we will now have Department employees accountable to the same degree as employees in private industry. Employees who cannot or will not meet established standards will be fired. With my new authority, I have been able to appoint a new leadership team which I think has everybody moving in the same direction. For the first time, we are focused on crime and violence in the city. The new team is supported by a cadre of managers dedicated to fulfilling the Department's new directive, reducing crime, fear and disorder. They are also committed to empowering all Department employees, down to the beat level, so that we can accomplish things in a timely fashion. We are installing a new organizational culture, one of professionalism. We have been able to improve our administrative process and to remove old, archaic ways of doing things. We are asking the citizens to measure our performance. Our performance will be based on reduction of crime and reduction of fear of crime. We have high expectations of all our officers. I have reviewed the Department's conduct and disciplinary rules and procedures. We have set up numerous committees to look into performance standards, to also set new professionalism standards across the board. We will make accountability the key word of the day, accountability for integrity, performance, control of crime, accountability for reducing crime and fear, accountability to citizens on all issues. As we moved forward in the last month, and I am skipping through quickly, we have seen crime, specifically homicide, go down 29 percent this year, robberies down 23 percent, burglaries down 21 percent. But as we move through the empowerment period, over the last 45 days, we have seen crime go down 21 percent, homicides down 50 percent. We have seen the productivity of the officers go up 100 percent in many areas, almost every measurable area. At the same time, the one thing that has gone down besides crime is citizen complaints. I think there is a sense of great hope in this city and a great hope in this Department. We have a Department that is committed to professionalism, committed to change, working with Booz-Allen, working with the MOU partners, we say and have a new sense of direction, a new sense of commitment from all of the partners in law enforcement in this city and the criminal justice system. I think with some support from this Subcommittee and the Hill, we will have successes in the future. Senator Brownback. Good, I am glad to hear that encouraging testimony. Next will be Chief Judge of the Superior Court of the District of Columbia, the Hon. Eugene N. Hamilton. Judge Hamilton, the floor is yours. TESTIMONY OF THE HON. EUGENE N. HAMILTON,\1\ CHIEF JUDGE, SUPERIOR COURT OF THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA Judge Hamilton. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and Members of the Subcommittee, for the opportunity to be present and testify this afternoon on fighting crime and violence in the District of Columbia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \1\ The prepared statement of Judge Hamilton with attachments appears in the Appendix on page 89. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- As we all know, crime and violence and the perception of it at this time in the District of Columbia regrettably is at an unprecedented high level. At the end of 1995, there were over 8,000 cases pending in the Superior Court's criminal division, and by the end of 1996, there were over 9,000 cases pending in the criminal division. This represents a 13 percent increase in the Court's end of the year inventory of criminal cases. There were 45,000 cases filed in 1995 compared with 47,309 cases being filed in 1996. Neither the figures for 1995 nor 1996 represent the true extent of crime actually in the community, either in 1995 or 1996, and this is because the figures for criminal case filings and criminal case inventories were severely depressed due to reduced police action beginning in 1994. The last year of non-depressed police activity was 1993 and in that year there were over 58,000 criminal cases filed. In the years 1994, 1995 and 1996, filings fell to 53,000, 45,000, and 47,000 respectively, as shown in my figure 1, which has been attached to my statement. On March 1 of this year, the Metropolitan Police Department commenced its enhanced enforcement activity in the District of Columbia. On March 1, 1997 the Court received 118 cases from arrests made, for the most part, on February 28, 1997. Then on March 3, 1997, the Court received 252 cases from arrests made on March 1 and 2, 1997. This trend of greatly increased arrests has continued throughout March and April specifically. In March and April the average daily arrestees processed in the Court were 189 and 180 respectively, as shown in my figures 2 and 3, which have also been attached to my statement. If the trends of March and April continue, we expect to see a total of over 64,000 criminal cases filed in the Superior Court by the end of 1997. As I stated previously, the criminal case filings hit a low in 1995 of 45,000. The entire criminal justice system in the District of Columbia is now functioning and the rates of crime are going down substantially. The system, however, is very fragile at this point. It will require a lot of attention by the criminal justice leadership and commitment from the community and government support agencies, including the Federal Control Board, the Congress, the administration, the Mayor, and the Council to sustain this present level of functioning by the criminal justice system. We must pay close attention to and support to make certain that the criminal justice system continues to function in a very effective manner, that it presently functions. The systems that we must pay attention to, of course, are the courts. The judicial and fiscal independence and the well-being of the District of Columbia Courts must be provided for and maintained because the hub which supports all of the spokes of the criminal justice system is a Court system that depends on independent, fair, objective, competent, efficient, professional and well-trained judges and Court staff. The District of Columbia Court system is such a Court system for it has earned and enjoys respect not only in the District of Columbia but also across the Nation and in many foreign countries. Many of the judges are so respected that they lecture as instructors in the leading law school programs across the country and seminars and training courses that are held throughout the country. In addition, the Courts of the District of Columbia are creators of many innovative judicial programs that seek to treat offenders when this can be done efficiently and consistently with reasonable safety to the community. The Court has a state-of-the-art domestic violence unit which integrates all domestic violence cases in the Superior Court except the felony cases. The Court has a state-of-the-art urban services program, which is a comprehensive rehabilitation program which starts with a 30-day boot camp. The Court has a state-of-the- art family and child services center which has intensive services that are provided to children and families. In short, the Court system must be supported because, in short, it makes no sense for the Metropolitan Police Department to make the new arrests, and the U.S. Attorney and the Corporation Counsel to file new cases if the District of Columbia Courts are not given the judicial independence and financial support to efficiently and effectively manage and enter dispositions in these cases resulting from those new arrests. As a MOU partner, I fully support the recommendations of the partners, that the officers desperately deserve--an immediately 10 percent pay adjustment. I urge that be done immediately and, in my judgment, it is crucial to sustaining the current law enforcement momentum on the streets. I say this because we must all show these officers that when we say: ``We appreciate your efforts,'' we really mean it. In other words, at this point, these officers have been treated so shabbily we need to reinforce and support our words with action. As I stated initially, the Metropolitan Police Department, as of March 1, 1997, is no longer dysfunctional but became a very viable and effective law enforcement agency. This occurred because the Chief of Police was empowered to command the Department and make budgetary and personnel determinations for the Department. This empowerment occurred due to the strong recommendation to do so that was made to the Mayor by the MOU partners, which was accepted and implemented by the Mayor. The consensus to make this change came from the outstanding scientific research done by Booz-Allen and Hamilton and the leadership of the District of Columbia Financial Responsibility and Management Assistance Authority. The results that have been obtained teach us that the independence of the Police Department and the authority of the Chief to command the Department must be assured. The Chief must be assured of the authority to make budgetary and personnel determinations, as well as direct procurement of the Department. In addition, the MOU partnership should be made permanent and it should be given the authority to retain a research resource such as Booz-Allen and Hamilton. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would request that my full statement be made part of the record. Senator Brownback. Without objection, it will be contained in the record. Thank you all very much for participating in this and I am going to put the same 5-minute clock on both Senator Lieberman and myself, so you can see how well we do up here. I have to back up to how we opened this hearing. It is beyond comprehension to me to think that we would have three police officers stalked and hunted down in our Nation's capital in a period of 4 months. That is just incredible to me. If the Iranians had done this, we would be dropping bombs. And yet, this has happened in our Nation's capital. I hope we--and we have many of the major players involved here--take a pledge that we will not tolerate this situation continuing. We will tolerate zero assaults towards police officers because they are us. They are the representation of the people of a civilized nation. They are the representation, just as our soldiers are in war. And we will tolerate zero assaults towards police officers. If a police officer is assaulted, there will be a price paid. If one is killed, there will be a penalty extracted, period, and it will be equivalent to the crime. I hope we can all move forward on that. Mr. Soulsby, I hope you can convey that to your police officers who must feel like they are in a war zone and being targeted. How are they reacting to what is taking place? Mr. Soulsby. Well, first of all, I appreciate your comments and certainly it causes them great concern. Many of them are wondering should they remain in law enforcement. Many of their spouses are pressuring them to leave. That is why it is so important that we support them. But they are professionals and they are going out there every day. They are upset about it. And I think it has everyone's attention. Any time an officer dies it is very tragic for everyone involved. Every single police officer hurts, and many members of the community. But we have people in society, in this city and others, that have no value for life, have no concern about getting caught, do not care about going to jail. They do not care whether they live or die. They should not be allowed to walk the streets of any city. Senator Brownback. We will back you up on that. I do not know if the police officers have taken a position on the Brian Gibson Act, on the death penalty towards killing police officers. If you would like to articulate that, if you can? Mr. Soulsby. The death penalty is such an individual thing for most people, but I am totally in support of the act. I think we need a death penalty in Washington, DC. Senator Brownback. I think we need to renew our culture, too, to think that people would actually do this. Towards the Booz-Allen folks, you did a very good study. How did we get to a point where, by your numbers, you are saying 16 percent of the police officers were involved in the beat activity and half of the badged police officers, if I have that number correct, made zero arrests last year? How did we get to that point and what instructiveness do we have on how do we get out of that? Or maybe you feel like we are very much on the way of getting out of that type of situation? Mr. Mather. I think when you look at the numbers, you start off with a fairly high number of people. And then as you go attriting down, as they keep getting diverted to administrative tasks and other kinds of things, specialty functions and whatever, by the time you get down to patrol it is a 16 percent number. And so there is--I think the Department, when we started, was almost an administrative report-taking kind of Department, and the officers were more reacting to crime than really trying to prevent it. So, I think that the massive shift that you will see is a shift in the use of people, what it is that people do at any given point in time. I think the other thing, on the arrest rate, I do not know, I think that there has been a real change of the paradigm under the Chief's leadership since this all began. I mean, there is a sense of momentum out there and there is a sense of accountability and you are going to be held responsible for what is happening. And that signal went out loud and strong, particularly when the new team was formed and it sprinkled on down in the organization. I think that signal said, ``Hey, you have a job to do, and you are going to do it. And if not, you are going to be done.'' I think that signal went out there. And as a consequence, people stepped up to the challenge and the arrests started to happen. With the new paradigm that comes in and this massive shift to resources, I think a lot of people will step up to the challenge and some will not. But we think that the whole model is being tipped on its ear. I mean, it is a whole different scheme that is being put in place, and we think the impact on crime will be substantial. Chips, I do not know if you have any additional comments. Mr. Stewart. Very quickly, you had a problem with structure and you had a problem with strategy and you had a diffuse, fractured mission. You had a bunch of people being hired and put in small details to handle specific problems and act like Band-aids. It did not take a comprehensive approach and needs to be completely restructured. You cannot get there from here unless you fundamentally change the vision of the Department, the operating model of the Department, and you restructure it to put the officers where the crime, the fear, and the disorder are. And you have the other part of the system work. Senator Brownback. Is that taking place in your estimation? That restructuring? Mr. Mather. That is where we are headed. Senator Brownback. So you are satisfied that we are now headed in the right direction, that we are on the right track? Mr. Mather. The Chief did the first 400 and the impact of that was pretty dramatic, in terms of the impact on the numbers. We just spent 2 weeks with 20 officers that were picked by the leadership team. They started off in lots of different places, but 10 hours a day, 9 days, very intense. By the time we were done this whole group, from lots of different places in this Department, had coalesced around the idea that their job was basically to reduce crime and the way to do that was in the street. It was not at headquarters, it was not in the District buildings, it was out there on patrol, interacting with the community, proactive, crime strategies, executing those strategies, figuring out what was going on on the beats, and proactively dealing with those kinds of situations. So my sense is that there is a real momentum that is building here that I did not see when we first showed up. That is why I think this raise ends up being so important because these officers are looking for symbolic signs that the people are behind them, that they are not out there by themselves alone, that the Congress is behind them, that the citizens are behind them, that they are not just going this alone. I think the 10 percent raise would create a real slug of not just the financial benefit of it, but just in terms of the momentum and the movement and everything. It is just a critical thing. We have to do it. Senator Brownback. Senator Lieberman. Senator Lieberman. Thanks, Mr. Chairman. Let me just pick up briefly, Mr. Mather, on what you said about the response of the officers in the MPD and looking for a signal of the public's appreciation for what they are doing. A pay raise is obviously part of that. From your contact with the police officers, do you have any indication about how they feel about the proposal to impose the death penalty on those convicted of---- Mr. Mather. I do not have any data on that, except what I have heard anecdotally. Senator Lieberman. Mr. Harlan, let me thank you and Chairman Brimmer and the Control Board for the leadership that you have exercised here. This really was a crisis and you have stepped in and brought in Booz-Allen and got great response from the other signatories to this Memorandum of Understanding, particularly the Chief and the officers, and you can begin to see the turnaround. So I do not want to rush forward too soon without thanking you for the leadership that you have shown. Mr. Harlan. Thank you. Senator Lieberman. In a way, my first question has been anticipated. I was going to ask you, Chief, and Mr. Harlan-- well, two things. First off, can we draw a line, as far as you can determine, between the actions that you have taken, the first reform actions if you will, and this remarkable change in arrests and statistics and citizen complaints? I guess what I am asking is: This is just not accidental, is it? Mr. Soulsby. No. Actually, you could draw a line in the hallways, you can see it on the faces of the officers from day 1. When this MOU was signed and the discussions in the first 24 or 48 hours, the whole attitude of officers changed. The judge could tell you the attitude, he sees hundreds of officers in Court every day and he could see the way they acted around the building. We had become a Department that was politicized from the standpoint of people politicking constantly for promotions, externally and internally. We had become a Department that was almost, in some senses, like police welfare. Once you got the job it was almost impossible to fire you. We had cases where we had fired someone four times only to have administrative appeals overturn it outside the Department. If you have a Department like that, where you cannot fire even the worst behavior, I am not talking about criminal behavior but just worst behavior, then what happens after a period of time is the minor violations are not enforced. There is no sense of discipline. You had officers that just would not work on the street and you would have other officers who would stop working, stop looking for things to do, because they would look around and say why should I take all the chances? These other officers are not doing anything. Senator Lieberman. Right, bad morale begets worse morale as it goes on. Mr. Soulsby. Absolutely. Senator Lieberman. Have you taken any action yet? Obviously the whole thrust of this hearing is to give every possible support we can to the police officers. But as you point out, not every police officer is doing his or her job. Have you taken action yet against any police officers who you feel are not performing up to the standards? Mr. Soulsby. So far the action has been taken at the highest ranks. There has been five senior people removed. We are working with the U.S. Attorneys Office in identifying people that they have identified as potential problem people. We are looking through it with Internal Affairs pulling every case jacket for the last 5 to 7 years, looking at all prior actions. We are deciding should this person stay on the Department, or should this person. So it is an orderly process but we intend to get it done this spring. Senator Lieberman. We have a lot of hope and a lot of confidence in you, and to the extent that you do carry out that mission it will make it that much easier--I hate to use that word--to get the support for the Department generally from Congress and for the individual police officers. I hope this 10 percent increase is not the last of it. If there is a feeling that you are weeding out the people who are not doing their jobs, and you have a force out there that you are confident in, then I think you are going to find Congress willing to continue to reward those people for the job they are doing. Mr. Soulsby. This Department, the leadership of this Department, the entire force has been given an opportunity to show its ability. Can it become a professional Department? Can it once again be a leader? We are not going to waste this chance. Senator Lieberman. Good. Judge, you made a very important point here, that we ought to all, in the sense of partnership, think about how we can respond to which is that if--those numbers you gave were dramatic. And if those numbers continue there is obviously going to be a different kind of crisis in the criminal justice system, both within the Courts and, I presume, within the jails. In a lot of jurisdictions, including my own in Connecticut, we went through this a while back and what ends up happening is that you are putting more people in the front door, and yet you are letting more people out the back door because you do not have room inside the jails. And you have the same kinds of problems, if this is not done right. I wonder if you could give us some idea of how you see this and what, if anything, the District Government is doing or what Congress can do to help you with this? Do we need more jails, for instance? Judge Hamilton. Well, we do need more detention facilities, both for arrestees and people who have been committed on sentences. I do not think we need as much prison space as one would think offhand. I think the challenge now is to weed out those people who can be supervised in the community with safety to the community in a very cost efficient, effective way, so as not to use jail space to house those people. That is what we are--we have to focus on that, as well as being certain that those people who cannot be supervised in the community are, in fact, incarcerated. We have to pay close attention to both. Senator Lieberman. Thank you all. Thanks, Mr. Chairman. Senator Brownback. Thanks, Senator. Mr. Soulsby, have there been other attacks targeting District police officers that we have not heard about? Mr. Soulsby. Yes, daily. You have a lot of officers that are assaulted frequently and at different events. But we have had other cases where officers have been assaulted but not killed, but if you go back a couple of years, an officer on H Street in 1995. The officer and his partner were assisting a motorist and the person could not speak. An individual comes up behind him and shoots the officer in the back of the head. We have had cases where an officer was walking a beat down on Martin Luther King Avenue, about 2\1/2\ years ago, and he stopped and talked to this young kid. And after the officer walked on, the young kid decided he wanted the officer's plastic gun. We had Glock guns that are made of space age plastic, partially. So after the officer walks on, he shoots the officer in the back of the head and the officer survived, just to try to get his gun. He just wanted his gun. I mean, that is absurd, but again, we have a lot of people that commit crimes, commit murder, intimidate witnesses, that commit murder in front of 30, 40, or 50 people, and people are intimidated to the point that they do not--they have a total lack of respect for the entire criminal justice system, I think. So witnesses are afraid to come forward. In some cases, we have had witnesses killed, and many witnesses who have been intimidated. There is a culture out there--I do not care whether I get caught or not, I do not care whether I go to jail, I do not expect to live to be 21 or 25 or 30. They just do what they want, when they want. There is just a lack of sense of respect for this society as a whole. And the officers, being the ones that represent the community, are the ones that have to deal with those people on a day-to-day basis and it is very difficult. Senator Brownback. You are using terminology I use to describe a Third World country situation of a judicial system, being intimidated in that nature. Mr. Soulsby. What you have, and let me make it perfectly clear, the vast majority of the citizenry in Washington are decent, law-abiding citizens in every community. But there are a few in a lot of these community areas, that are just terrorizing these communities. And they have no sense of society. Senator Brownback. You were saying earlier that police officers are being assaulted on a daily basis, did I hear that? Mr. Soulsby. Yes, we have many assaults on police officers cases that go to Court almost on a daily basis. Senator Brownback. Maybe we ought to publicize and publish that, so people can know just how difficult the duty is of what police officers are having to do. I understand and I hear you clearly about the need for the salary increase, and I appreciate that. Are we providing the tools that your officers need for their safety? Mr. Soulsby. What we have, and really for the last 15 or 20 years the Department--as Booz-Allen has indicated--they have sent together a package to the White House asking for almost $200 million for equipment needs and infrastructure needs. We have a lot of needs. They have the tools necessary for basic safety, to basically do their jobs. But most area Departments have much better equipment than we do. They have more modernized equipment. Senator Brownback. If you could be more specific? Mr. Soulsby. It is a combination of--for instance, we have an old radio system and we are in the process of trying to get a new radio system. We finally have the money, in large part thanks to Congress and Senator Hatch, where we can do a lot of technology pieces. But we need equipment for our cars. For instance, just making sure that we have sufficient fingerprint equipment, sufficient equipment to process crime scenes across the board. A lot of things that you would have in a police car in many other jurisdictions we do not have. We have to lend them back and forth. So we provide basic equipment, but we have a long way to go. And I would certainly be very pleased to submit to you a list of our needs. Senator Brownback. I would appreciate you doing that, of saying if we are going to ask this police force to put their neck out on the line every day to defend us, and we are asking them to step up the pace because we do not feel safe and we do not think you are either, then what equipment do you need to do it? So that we can know with clarity that we are not going to send our troops into the field without them being sufficiently armed. Mr. Soulsby. I will submit to you a request or a list of those needs this week, sir. Senator Brownback. I will look forward to being able to have that. Just let me say, as a closing statement for myself, I appreciate what all of you are doing and each piece of the puzzle that you operate. Particularly, Mr. Soulsby, your officers are out there on the front line and I am looking forward to the additional ones hitting the streets. I am encouraged about the optimism that each of you state towards this and about some of the preliminary results. I am hopeful that that can continue. We have to do much better for your officers. We have to do much better for this community. It sounds like to me, from each of you, you are saying we can do much better. We clearly can do much better. Other major metropolitan areas have done it. You have studied those models and you are going along those models and you are moving on that path. We will look forward to having you back sometime, I would hope later this year, to assess progress as we move along this issue. And I hope and pray you do not have another headline where we have officers killed in the District, hunted down. Senator Lieberman. Senator Lieberman. Thanks, Mr. Chairman, two quick questions. Chief, let me just draw you out for a minute on something you said in your opening statement. Obviously what you are in the process of now is leading change and it is a natural human reaction to resist change. You have been given more authority, more independence. Are you getting cooperation from the city administration, the Mayor's office, and from the police that are serving under you? Mr. Soulsby. We are getting basic cooperation from the city and many of the MOU partners have been outstanding. But the officers, the men and women of the Police Department, for the most part are ecstatic about the change. We cannot make it happen fast enough. I brought in most of the--certainly, all of the senior officials, all of the lieutenants and above in the Department, a lot of the sergeants, and talked about--we sent video tape statements out to all of the officers. I have sent people, senior managers, to every roll call. One of the questions we asked all of them, no matter what your rank, do you know people of your rank in this room that should not be here? And almost every officer would raise their hand, or every sergeant or every lieutenant. They are frustrated. In large part, they have been stagnant by the fact of why should I do anything if these other individuals do not and nothing ever happens to them? The gloves have come off now, across the board. And that is why I told you within 24 or 48 hours, you could see a difference. People, instead of frowning walking the hallways, were smiling and actually enjoying their jobs. When we put this new enforcement effort out in these areas, the seven areas of the city, the 400 officers, you had officers going in and talking about I have not been out here for 6 or 7 years doing this. I am absolutely enjoying it. We have had officers who have gone to Court and made cases that have not been in Court for 10 years. The dynamics of this whole Department has changed, is changing. We have a long way to go but there is a great sense of hope. Senator Lieberman. That is great. There is something to be said for a culture in an organization, or an attitude in an organization, and it sounds to me like you have changed it. A final question, Mr. Mather, in response to what you have done, obviously, there are some very significant and hopeful changes going on. From your perspective, what do we have to do to keep this going? What are the key indicators here of continued progress in law enforcement in the District? Mr. Mather. I think what you said earlier is organizational change is a fragile thing and I think momentum is very important. I think when we made the recommendation to the Control Board on the empowerment of the Chief, it was with some trepidation because we did not know how it would turn out. Senator Lieberman. Right. Mr. Mather. I think we all look back now and think that we are very fortunate that the Chief has stepped up to it the way he has and has delivered so well. I mean, I think we all felt that if that did not happen, it would have set back the whole thing a ways. So I think we should all be grateful that we have a Chief that is really doing this. I think he has a team behind him and his momentum and so on. I guess my feeling is that we are on the right course. I think the Department is committed to this business of crime prevention. I think when we first got started, we said, you guys are talking about arrests and 911 response time and the rest of the world is talking about body count. Senator Lieberman. Right. Mr. Mather. People are thinking about the number of crimes committed, not what your response is to crimes committed. So crime prevention, if you really want to feel safe in this city, has got to be the critical thing that is focused on and I think it takes time for a Department to come around and embrace that idea, and that Department has. This group of 20 that has been out there, we have asked them to be evangelists, to go out, almost like you drop a stone in a pond and it starts to sprinkle out and, slowly but surely, this whole thing starts to take. So, I think during this transformation process, it has to take. It has to have a life of its own and it has to have perpetuation at the grassroots level, and as you keep pushing this thing to the grassroots level, people are now doing things, not because they were told to from on high. They are doing it because they have embraced the new idea and they are doing what they need to do. I have seen a lot of these transformations. I have been involved with a lot of them in the corporate world and this one has the feel of something that is really going to happen, and I think the only thing we have to do to make that the case is to stay behind it and keep this momentum going, and I think it is going to be--every so often, you get all the things line up. Part of it is just luck and part of it is hard work and part of it is just the way it turned out. But some very good things are happening and I think it is fundamental and I think it is structural and all we need to do is keep this momentum going and I think we will have a different Department and a different city. Senator Lieberman. Great. I hope we in the Senate and Congress generally can do our part to support that change. Thank you all very much. Senator Brownback. Thank you all very much. We appreciate it. Our next panel will be Dr. Robert Moffit, the Deputy Director for Domestic Policy Studies, the Heritage Foundation, and C. Stephen Wallis, Washington, D.C. Area School Administrator. We are going to do with this next panel just like we did the last one. It will be a 5-minute presentation, gentlemen, if you can. Sorry to keep you limited so tight, but we have a lot of people that want to help us out with a tough problem here, so we will try to keep it to 5 minutes, as well, if you can. We will take the full statement in the record, so if you can summarize that, that would be appreciated. TESTIMONY OF ROBERT MOFFIT,\1\ DEPUTY DIRECTOR FOR DOMESTIC POLICY STUDIES, THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION Mr. Moffit. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \1\ The prepared statement of Mr. Moffit appears in the Appendix on page 125. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- My name is Robert Moffit and I am the Deputy Director of Domestic Policy Studies at The Heritage Foundation. I supervise a staff of analysts in the areas of health, education, welfare, and urban policy, including urban crime. Mr. Chairman, at the outset, words cannot express the honor that I feel at having the opportunity to testify before this Subcommittee of the Senate on this issue. The reason is that for me, personally, the problem of the police and the problem of crime is not at all abstract. I come from a family of Philadelphia police officers. My father was a detective in the Philadelphia Police Department, with 25 years of service. I feel deeply about the welfare of the police and their struggle with the problem of crime. I should also point out, before I get into the depth of my testimony here, that for my colleagues at The Heritage Foundation, crime is not an abstract policy question. Over the past 36 months, Heritage staff have been victimized by violent crime on more occasions than we care to count. So our interest in the success of the Police Department is not an object of metaphysical interest. In our own way, my colleagues at the Foundation have encouraged the serious discussion of the future of the Metropolitan Police Department. Back in October of 1996, The Heritage Foundation sponsored a public policy lecture by William J. Bratton, who was the former Police Commissioner of the City of New York on the topic, ``If New York City can reduce violent crime, why can't D.C.?'' You all know the reason. Over the past 4 years, New York City has witnessed an overall reduction in crime by 50 percent. During Bratton's 27-month tenure alone, New York City saw a 36 percent reduction in serious crime, including a 44 percent drop in auto theft and a 45 percent drop in murder. The purpose of the Heritage initiative was to determine how, precisely, this was accomplished and what policy makers here in Washington, locally and nationally, could learn from the New York City's stunning success. Larry Soulsby, the Chief, was a panelist. He was invited to discuss ways that he could improve the Department at the time. Eric Holder was also invited, as were representatives of the local neighborhood associations. I am proud to report it was a positive, encouraging, and very productive meeting. I am going to confine my remarks this afternoon to the question of the police and how public officials can help the police. I noticed at the top of this conversation, we were talking about the tough job facing the police. It seems to me and my colleagues at The Heritage Foundation that perhaps the basic problem is that most of us simply do not think about the police enough. More precisely, we do not give the police enough thought about what kind of job they do. That has certainly been true in the District of Columbia. The Memorandum of Understanding describes a Metropolitan Police Department plagued by deep cynicism, ``low morale for management, a lack of clear vision and common purpose,'' but it then further notes, ``that many of these conditions existed for the last 10 years.'' From the standpoint of public policy, ignoring the police can be catastrophic. The job that Congress and local officials have to undertake first is to rethink the job of the police officer. It is our first task. We have to ask ourselves a fundamental question: What public official exercises more direct, concrete, and immediate authority over every citizen of the United States, regardless of their class or condition, than a police officer? If you think about it, the authority of the police officer is awesome. There is nothing else like it. He can stop you and he can question you under a given set of circumstances. He can arrest you and take away your personal liberty. And, indeed, under another set of circumstances, he can even deprive you of your life. He is bound by rules and regulations, as is every other public official, but as James Q. Wilson and others observed, these rules tell him what he cannot do. They tell him nothing about what he can or should do. There is a reason for this, and it is inherent in the job of the police officer as a profession. The police are, as Wilson and others have noted, the supreme paradox of personnel management. In virtually every other public or private institution you can imagine, the discretion of an official, what he can do under a broad charter of responsibility increases as one goes up the hierarchy. At the very top of the pyramid, whether it is running Microsoft Corporation or the Department of Health and Human Services, the discretion of your top officer is enormous. The police are the exception to this otherwise iron rule of management. Indeed, in the case of the police, the discretion in the exercise of authority increases as one goes down the hierarchy. So in the case of the police, you have a unique role reversal that exists nowhere else in either public or private management. The police are operationally independent, they operate alone, they have to depend primarily on their own judgment, weighing the circumstances in every case, and they operate without direct supervision. In effect, they are authorized to make split-second decisions in matters of life and death within the confines of the law and the Constitution. This is something that is beyond the experience of most Members of the Senate or the House or even the Supreme Court. This kind of discretionary authority is for most of us, simply beyond imagination. Public officials should think about that. They should think about it a lot. They should think about what kind of person they want in that kind of a job. We have to also rethink the standards for police personnel. The problem of the police is ultimately a problem of personnel management. Specifically, it is a matter of adopting appropriate standards in recruiting and hiring and firing and promoting and deploying police officers. As my colleague at The Heritage Foundation, Bill Bennett, once remarked, no personnel decision in government is more important than the hiring of a police officer. If you make a mistake in hiring a police officer, the consequences can be catastrophic. We also have to rethink the role of the police in combatting and preventing crime. It looks like we are on the way to doing that. I am very grateful to see that the D.C. Police Department and the Booz-Allen team and the signatories to the Memorandum of Understanding are doing precisely that. We can do a lot of other things. I have specified in my testimony 10 different items. It has a central theme: Getting serious about personnel investigations, serious about recruiting standards, and at the same time, giving the police the recognition they deserve. One thing I want to close with, Mr. Chairman. Beyond the pay raises, one thing that we may want to think about is to have the President, the leaders of Congress, the representatives of the business community and the labor community, the press corps, once a year in this city honor outstanding police officers. It would go a long way to boosting the morale of the police, to let them know that the highest officials of this country are behind them 100 percent. Thank you. That ends my initial statement. Senator Brownback. Thank you very much, Dr. Moffit. I appreciate that. Mr. C. Stephen Wallis, Washington, D.C. Area School Administrator, thank you for joining us. TESTIMONY OF C. STEPHEN WALLIS,\1\ WASHINGTON, D.C. AREA SCHOOL ADMINISTRATOR Mr. Wallis. Thank you, Chairman. I appreciate the opportunity to be here today, Senator Lieberman. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \1\ The prepared statement of Mr. Wallis appears in the Appendix on page 149. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- My focus over the last several years has been on the pivotal role that school environments play when we examine American public schools, and it seems to me that a discussion of crime, adult and juvenile, in any of America's communities would be rather incomplete without an equal examination of the community's schools. Frankly, too many of America's public school teachers perform under combat conditions, Senators. Worse, teachers too often have little support from local boards of education or school administrators, and yet despite the barrage of disrespectful behavior on the part of unruly students and the lack of action from school authorities, these teachers daily make heroic efforts to educate this country's youth. State and local legislators can take a strong hand in reforming public education through school choice, charter schools, and other measures designed to increase accountability. Today, I want to lay out before you how it is that legislators can also play a vital role by restoring discipline and, frankly, civility and a traditional level of popular literacy. The District of Columbia is no exception in this regard, sadly played out with frightening regularity in too many of its schools, most recently at Ballou regarding the stabbings just within the last day or two and with the Winston Elementary sex incidents within the last 2 weeks. And while urban, suburban, and rural school administrators continue to fret for more funds, and money is awfully important, I humbly contend that money is the wrong focus. The most pivotal reason for this country's lackluster educational performance continues to revolve around the utter lack of civility in our schools, and, worse, it is tolerated on a daily basis. We can no longer assert the need to set rigorous standards and then ignore the very reason why this is unachievable. The number of classroom disruptions interfering with teaching and the number of threats and injuries to teachers and students grow exponentially, and it appears to me that many of the schools have lost their sense of culture, of just what is important for students completing their K-12 public school education. A school's success is due, in major part, to its philosophical foundation, its norms and its beliefs, academic and social. So if the climate exudes achievement for everyone and if the school emphasizes educational goals and what I call the 4 Rs, including respect, then the grounds themselves, the building itself is thought of as a place for learning. It is of paramount importance, and then this becomes infectious. Teachers will also project to all students that they can and are expected to achieve. But that is not the case that we have in most of our schools, gentlemen. When a school system is fraught with disruption and rampant disrespectful behavior and where policies governing behavior are weak or poorly written, then the mission is at best amorphous and allows for an erosion of sensible expectations. In effect, the school's culture is subverted by a kind of silent chaos. You have to be in a public school, in many of them, to see the repeated sundry of ill behaviors, from disrespectful comments to peers and adults, the pushing, the fighting, the rudeness, the open alcohol and drug activity in school corridors, lateness to class, the truancy, being unprepared, foolish disregard for policies, sleeping in class, fondling one another, wearing clothes emblazoned with drug, gang, and often demeaning expressions to one or another's gender, ad nauseam, often with no correction and no consequences. I have stated repeatedly that this has a negative cumulative effect. It is as though we are waiting for youngsters to run to the edge of the cliff before they decide that leaping off the edge, in this case, a knife cutting in a cafeteria or a violent assault or a gun incident, is really inappropriate. It is very similar to the broken window syndrome. As a Nation, we can be appalled, but we ought not be surprised at the level of violence being played out in our streets. It is being played out in our schools, elementary, middle, and high. Youngsters continue to graduate from the schools with barely a tenuous grasp of right and wrong. They will continue to play the system, and sadly, too frequently, be in and out of the justice system and still many what I call educrats and others still do not get it. An effective school system, one that focuses on stressing achievement, wholesome involvement in the total school program, emphasizing respect and integrity, emphasizing also a shared parent partnership, cannot be sustained under conditions where there are endless excuses for intractable defiant behavior and no moral or ethical consequences. There are some things I think legislators can help us do. First of all, there are four principles that must characterize certain actions. Disruptive and violent behavior receives zero tolerance. Discipline be even-handed with due process, regardless of ethnicity, gender, or socio-economic background. An acknowledgement that substantive discipline is a kindness that contributes to personal growth and freedom. And last, there must be a return to the appropriate mission of schools, refocusing efforts on teaching youngsters to read, for God's sakes, to compute, to write, to speak, and to think critically. We can encourage involvement by use of parent contracts. I would ask legislators to encourage the Washington, D.C. school system to establish community service for those students on suspension, gaining an understanding of compassion, respect, and humility and responsibility that might be learned and might be gained by helping someone in a nursing home, tutoring another youngster, cleaning up a park; establishing school time-out rooms with a para-professional and community agency staff to work with disruptors, if only temporarily, establishing transitional schools for the habitually disruptive student; establishing afternoon auxiliary centers with supervised open classrooms and gymnasiums after the regular school day for those students wishing to take in academic assistance or participation in cultural activities; insisting that school officials review and rewrite, if necessary, student discipline codes; making character education a part of the curriculum; hiring retired military staff as a resource of talent and training; ensuring that adequate security personnel are in the schools and on school grounds; ensuring that high schools employ reading specialists; and the last two, cutting off funds, if you will, to those districts or those schools tolerating disruption; and examining school staffing and assigning staff to our schools with community-specific at-risk needs and really departing from the rigid formula that assigns staff on the basis of student numbers. I would add that I think the more students think and learn, the more active they will become in the instruction. And when respect, self-discipline, and character are rewarded, student motivation to learn will increase, Senators. I will tell you that I think there is a continuing active role for legislators, for employers and communities, for that matter, in the effort to move our children to world class standards, but it has to be recognized first and foremost that disrespectful behavior and disruption steals learning and smothers instruction, and in the process, steals the future from far too many students. Last, I would like to say that we might begin improving the conditions under which too many American public school teachers work and teach if the end result is improving the education of our country's children. I would thank you all very much for the time and effort that you give to the District's children and their parents and their teachers. Senator Brownback. Thank you, and thank you for your work on the front lines in the schools and with the children. With three police officers being, we have even heard the term here today, assassinated in the District in the first 4 months, does any of that surprise you, being a school administrator and some of the comments that you've made about lack of respect in the school system, of kids growing up and being willing to engage even in the mental processes of thinking about actually going out and killing a police officer? Does any of that surprise you? Mr. Wallis. It does not, Chairman Brownback. Recently, talking in San Antonio and Detroit, Michigan, I have said nationally that far too many of the criminal element, frankly, have been cultivated in our public schools. They at one time were in our public schools. And the fact of the matter is that an atmosphere that is rife with disruption simply cannot produce kids who know something about self-respect and integrity and regard for the sanctity of life. I am not surprised at all. I think we are reaping 25 to 30 years of what we have sown. Senator Brownback. And you have stated in your testimony, and I appreciate that, some of the things you think that we can do here to try to turn that tide. I know it is both Senator Lieberman's and my hope that we have reached the bottom of the barrel and we are going to start turning this around, but we have a lot of years to go. Mr. Wallis. I am sure we do, Chairman, but I would humbly insist that before legislative bodies appropriate a single dime, that those vested with the responsibility to educate our youngsters ensure that these schools are safe, that they have, in each one, an atmosphere that is conducive and contributive to academic study consistently and extracurricular involvement. Senator Brownback. Is that happening now in the District of Columbia schools? We now have the Control Board involved. There has been a lot of hope and promise being put forward there. Is it happening now in the District of Columbia? Mr. Wallis. Generally speaking, it is not, Senator, which is why you have had occur just within the last couple weeks some of the problems that we have had in the schools. It certainly is nothing indigenous to Washington, D.C. This is pervasive and we all know the violence statistics. But I would contend that the disruptive and disrespectful behavior that we see is far more pervasive than the violence. Senator Brownback. You cite charter schools, and choice. What else can be done within the school system today to try to reinstill some of that respect and reduce the disrespectful activity? Mr. Wallis. I think it is going to take a legislative body, such as this, and the community working towards the effort of really renewing schools and doing it in a substantive fashion, because we can talk about increasing test scores, we can talk about incorporating technology in different schools, but the fact is that we need to emphasize very, very substantively the importance of a shared partnership with the community, and frankly, as I mentioned earlier, the complete sanctity of the schools, where schools are places where the parameters are such where kids must achieve. It takes dynamic leadership. The faculty have to know how much they are appreciated and kids have to know that each and every one of them can succeed, and it is true, but it is utterly impossible when schools are run as they are today. It is fundamentally flawed to think that we can talk about these kinds of things regarding achievement and then stand by and allow the kind of behavior that steals dignity and smothers instruction every day. Senator Brownback. So set standards and absolutely adhere to those? Mr. Wallis. I think so. I believe in my heart, Senator Brownback, I think we need to declare a war on incivility and it takes setting standards. There are too many constituencies who have supported me on that. I have talked to minority youth. I have talked to various schools, their faculties, and I am telling you, across the Nation, kids are hungering for this. They have indicated in recent surveys that they would feel a lot better about themselves, they would learn a great deal more if they just felt safer. So, if you are talking about crime in any one community, you have got to discuss the schools and they have to be examined and they have to be run, I would humbly suggest, as I am outlining today. Senator Brownback. Senator Lieberman. Senator Lieberman. Thanks, Mr. Chairman. You both gave excellent testimony, both in terms of the attitude, the values that you bring to it, which I appreciate a lot, and the specific recommendations that you have made. If I may, not to take too much time, but this whole notion of incivility is so critical, and it has been an interest that I have shared with the Chairman, to examine or to do something about the effect that the entertainment culture--television, music, movies--have on kids with the decline of some of the other sources of authority, traditional civility. Take a look at television. Part of what is wrong with the trash talk TV shows is not just the dominance of the sexually perverse behavior that is described, but it is the way the discussion goes on. It is yelling at each other, it is pushing each other around. Take a look at some of the TV shows, some of them that seem pretty funny. You could take a look at ``The Simpsons'' and, in one light, it is sort of funny, or ``Married With Children,'' which is now going off the air. But what is involved in both of those shows is a profound lack of civility and respect for authority, parents, for instance. So we all pay the price for this. I apologize for the sermon on your time, but---- Mr. Wallis. You are preaching to the choir. Senator Lieberman. Thank you. One of the other things you have said, just in response to the Chairman and just to punctuate it, we are accustomed to having people say that prisons are schools of crime, that often people go in a prison, come out more schooled in crime. It is an awful thought, but it is true in too many schools in our country today, that schools can also be breeding grounds for criminal behavior and we have to stop that. Let me ask a specific question. I missed asking this both last week or 2 weeks ago when the school folks were in and today. Are the D.C. police responsible for security in the public schools or is there a separate school security force? Mr. Wallis. I am not absolutely sure of that, Senator. I know some schools have hired separate security, private security, and I know some Washington, D.C. officers have patrolled some of the schools. I am not sure if there is an actual formal contract for that. Senator Lieberman. OK. We can pursue that. I just am curious as to whether you have seen a reduction in crime within the schools in the period of time that we have heard described in the previous panel, by the Chief and others in which this new approach is going into effect. We are seeing more arrests, a drop in serious crimes. Have you seen any change within the schools that you are involved in? Mr. Wallis. I am sorry to say I have not. No, sir. Senator Lieberman. Dr. Moffit, thanks for your testimony and the specificity of your suggestions. I am very interested to just ask you to talk a little bit about No. 4 of your 10 items, which is to anchor the police in the community. Mr. Moffit. Right. Senator Lieberman. I am real interested in what you said about going beyond putting the cop on the beat, community policing, but have some other ideas, and this really goes to the heart of what I was saying at the outset, which is when I grew up, not only did we have respect for the cop, but he was our friend, if you will. Mr. Moffit. Right. Senator Lieberman. I am afraid there was a whole generation or maybe more than one that came along where the cop was almost like the invading army and an outsider in a car, almost like a tank. You never saw him, but whatever he was, he was not on our side. Talk a little bit about that. Mr. Moffit. I would like to talk a little bit about that. I mean, there are a lot of reasons why. Some of them are technical. Some of them are social. But when you were growing up, and, frankly, when I was growing up, in my young life, I spent a fair amount of time in Center City, Philadelphia. The neighborhood policeman was an institution. The key thing was that the neighborhood policeman, the neighborhood cop, knew the people in the neighborhood, and even better, all the people in the neighborhood knew the neighborhood cop. This had a profound effect on law enforcement. Because what it meant was that any time a crime was committed, the neighborhood policeman had an immediate access, in effect, to an informal intelligence service. Senator Lieberman. Right. Mr. Moffit. We lost that. My view is that we have got to get back to that and there are a number of ways of doing it. I mentioned Charleston, South Carolina, in my testimony, and Portland, Oregon, where the local officials are trying to get the policemen to become members of the community that they serve. One way to do that is housing vouchers or low-interest loans, literally giving the police the opportunity--it is a voluntary program--to go back into the communities they patrol and become part of the community. The key value of that, once again, is that the people in the community then have a stake in that policeman and that policeman has a stake in the community. It is an excellent idea. I do not think we ought to order the police to do this, but I think we ought to make it an option, and in Washington, D.C., this is something we may want to consider or pursue. Senator Lieberman. And this is being used in some communities, like Charleston, with some positive effect? Mr. Moffit. Yes. That is right. Senator Lieberman. I appreciate that. You make an interesting point, actually, about the way in which the old cop on the beat had his built-in intelligence network. Mr. Moffit. Immediately. Senator Lieberman [presiding]. Most police I talk to will tell me, at home, certainly, in Connecticut, that the way that most crimes are solved is by getting cooperation, today, often paid for with cash, which is an acceptable form of law enforcement, but it is a cost that law enforcement did not have in the old days because the cop knew everybody in the neighborhood and was already able to break through and get information. I thank you both very much. The Chairman has had to step out, but he has asked me to move on and call the next panel. We appreciate very much your testimony and your written testimony, and it will be helpful to the Subcommittee as we go forward. Thanks very much. Mr. Moffit. Thank you, Senator. Mr. Wallis. Thank you, Senator. Senator Lieberman. Stay strong. The final panel is the Hon. Carol Schwartz, District of Columbia City Council, and Dr. H. Beecher Hicks, Jr., Senior Minister of the Metropolitan Baptist Church. Thanks to both of you for your patience and for your willingness to be here. We are going to run the clock again at the 5 minutes, I guess. Councilwoman Schwartz, you are first. It is good to see you again. TESTIMONY OF CAROL SCHWARTZ,\1\ DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CITY COUNCIL MEMBER Ms. Schwartz. Thank you, Senator. It is nice to see you, as well. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \1\ The prepared statement of Ms. Schwartz appears in the Appendix on page 153. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would like to thank the Senate Subcommittee on Oversight of Government Management, Restructuring, and the District of Columbia for the opportunity to testify today concerning strategies for fighting crime and violence in the District of Columbia. I speak to you today as an elected at-large member of the Council of the District of Columbia. Although the Council is doing much in the area of fighting crime and violence, and I hope you will ask me some questions about that at the end of my testimony so I can talk about it, I am going to concentrate my remarks on the death penalty as it relates to the killing of law enforcement officers. First, let me begin by stating that I believe that local criminal law should be an area in which local communities ought to have the right to make their own decisions. My colleagues on the Council and I wholeheartedly agree on this issue and have not yet signed onto the President's plan for the District because of our concerns in this area. The 38 States that have enacted death penalties into the criminal law have done so based upon local considerations and circumstances. There are 12 States, like the District of Columbia, who have not enacted a death penalty statute. Yet the U.S. Congress has not intervened to impose death penalty legislation in any of those States. I think it is safe to say that such an intrusion into the local affairs of those 12 States would be unthinkable to the citizens of those States and to the Members of Congress who represent them. Should we not all believe, as President Abraham Lincoln did, that ``those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves.'' Members of the Subcommittee, I respectfully ask you to consider that the American citizens who are my constituents in the District of Columbia are like your constituents. All of our constituents possess the rights as citizens of a democratic society to determine their own local government affairs locally. Just because the Congress has the constitutional authority to enact legislation for the District does not mean they must exercise it. While I personally support the death penalty, I believe that the District of Columbia should be free not to enact such a law if that is the will of the people. That is the essence of a democracy. The author, Eric Hoffer, once said that ``the basic test of freedom is perhaps less in what we are free to do than in what we are free not to do.'' I agree with this statement. I recently returned from Croatia, where I was privileged to be a member of the United States delegation that observed the elections there. It is a powerful experience to witness a people determining their destiny through the vote. The U.S. Government supports democracy in Croatia and throughout the world. The U.S. support for democracy worldwide contrasts sharply with how the District of Columbia is routinely treated by its own Federal Government. This discussion also reminds me of news commentator Edward R. Murrow's observation that ``we cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.'' I support the death penalty for those who are convicted of murdering law enforcement officers. I firmly believe that our local law enforcement officers in the District of Columbia should have the same protections as other law enforcement officers who operate in the District, such as the Capitol Police, Park Police, Uniformed Senate Service, the Secret Service, and others. The death penalty bill that the Mayor and I announced on April 21, 1997, is D.C. Bill 12-204, the Law Enforcement Officer Protection Amendment Act of 1997. That bill would provide for the death penalty in cases of murder of D.C. law enforcement officers. I support D.C. Bill 12-204 because I believe that it is critically important for the people of the District of Columbia to have an opportunity that is locally initiated to weigh in through the legislative process on this serious and highly complex criminal penalty. As you may recall, District voters soundly rejected a 1992 Congressionally mandated initiative on the death penalty by a margin of 2 to 1. I know for a fact that many of the no votes were to Congressional interference rather than to the death penalty. The bill recently proposed by the Mayor and myself will permit District of Columbia citizens to express their views on the death penalty for the murder of law enforcement officers without being required this time to simultaneously register their views on the issue of Congressional interference in District affairs, but only if Senator Hutchison withdraws her bill, you deep-six it, or you vote it down. I believe that the will of the people of the District of Columbia should prevail on this issue, whatever that may mean for the Mayor's and my bill. I am confident that the Congress of these democratic United States will respect the democratic rights of the over half a million American citizens who make their homes and dutifully pay their Federal income taxes here in the District of Columbia. Thank you. Senator Lieberman. Thank you, Ms. Schwartz. We will have some questions afterward. Dr. Hicks, we are honored to have you here and look forward to your testimony now. TESTIMONY OF REVEREND H. BEECHER HICKS, JR.,\1\ SENIOR MINISTER, METROPOLITAN BAPTIST CHURCH Rev. Hicks. Thank you, Senator Lieberman. I am H. Beecher Hicks, Jr., Senior Minister of Metropolitan Baptist Church in the District. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \1\ The prepared statement of Rev. Hicks, Jr. appears in the Appendix on page 156. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ordinarily, I would say that I am happy to testify before the Senate Oversight of Government Management, Restructuring, and the District of Columbia Subcommittee, but I am not. I am truly saddened by the events which make this testimony necessary, and at the same time, I am unalterably opposed to S. 294 for a number of reasons which will shortly be apparent. Let it be clear that I share the broken heart of the entire community because of the recent death of three District of Columbia police officers and the suffering and pain it has caused to their families. More to the point, I am extremely sympathetic to the family and friends of anyone who is slain. The nature of my ministry causes me to be in a caring relationship with all who know the anguish of unredemptive grief. My job is to walk weekly to the cemetery, there to bury the sad remains of this social insanity. Even within that context, however, my position against the death penalty is a longstanding one, a position which I trust will be taken seriously in this significant body. In 1992, Congress tried to impose the death penalty on the District of Columbia, but the late D.C. City Council Chairman David Clarke, the Rev. Al Galbin, and I organized area ministers against the manufacturers of semi-automatic weapons. Our group was responsible for the ``Thou shalt not kill'' posters that were visible throughout the District. Five years ago, we mounted this campaign with the help of other groups, and by an overwhelming majority imposed economic consequences upon the manufacturers of the weapons of death that caused blood to run in the streets of our city. It is a strange and curious circumstance which leads to a discussion of the death penalty before this Subcommittee of the U.S. Senate. It is also a strange and curious philosophy which posits that by killing killers, we shall stop killing, that one act of savagery justifies the next. The reasons for my opposition to the death penalty are as old as the Mosaic Torah and are the same in the instance of the death of a police officer or of a private citizen. The same injunction which was placed throughout this community in 1992 is the same injunction which must be given today, thou shalt not kill. This entire discussion fails to take into account the culture of violence which has given rise to a segment of our population which has no value for life. While three police officers have regrettably lost their lives and while it is at least politically expedient for some to suggest that police are being deliberately targeted for death, it is also true that similarly innocent persons in the larger populous have lost their lives through drive-by shootings, gangland style murders, and acts of domestic violence which have literally caused blood to run in the sewers of this city. Is one death more important than the next? I think not. We must respond most forcefully to those conditions which occasion irrational thought and unthinkable behavior-- joblessness, homelessness, drugs, hopelessness, and a whole myriad of social diseases which affect this community and so many others throughout this land. I am opposed to the death penalty because of the frailty of our humanity. All of us are fallible, none of us more perfect than the other. We do not have a perfect criminal justice system. We have only to remember cases of prisoners being released after years of incarceration because of DNA tests that proved them innocent. The recent allegations of tampering with evidence by criminal justice authorities makes it difficult, if not impossible, to place total faith in a system operated by mere mortals and, therefore, subject to critical flaw. Capital punishment leaves no margin for error. Its consequences are mortally severe. You are aware of the typical arguments against capital punishment. There is no credible evidence that the death penalty deters crime. States that have death penalty laws do not have lower crime rates or murder rates than States without such laws. States that have abolished capital punishment or instituted it show no significant changes in either crime or murder rates. Like it or not, in reality, such laws will do nothing to protect the citizens or communities from the acts of dangerous criminals. The issue at hand, however, is far more compelling and enticing. All reasonable persons would argue for the most elaborate protection of those who protect us. Nevertheless, for death penalty laws specifically imposed for the murder of a police officer, there is no evidence that police officers are murdered at any lesser rate in States that do not have that law. In fact, according to the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund, Texas ranked fourth in the Nation in 1996 in the number of police officers killed, second in 1995, third in 1994. According to Law Enforcement News, prior to the statistics above, from 1988 through 1993, Texas ranked No. 1 in police killings. Therefore, if the death penalty for police officers did deter these murders, the statistics for Texas, the great State of Senator Hutchison, would be a less striking phenomenon. The unvarnished truth of the criminal justice system in America reveals that the death penalty has a disparate impact on African-Americans. Since the revival of the death penalty in the mid-1970's, about half of those on death row at any given time are of African-American descent. During 1996, of the 3,200 prisoners on death row, 40 percent were black. These statistics are compiled nationwide, where African-Americans are approximately 12 percent of the population. It is not that people of color commit more murders. It is that they are more often sentenced to death when they do. Poor people are also far more likely to be death sentenced than those who can afford the higher cost of private investigators, psychiatrists, and expert criminal lawyers to be used in their defense. Some observers have pointed out that the term capital punishment is ironic because only those without capital get the punishment. I personally oppose the death penalty. I am here today because I believe the residents of the District of Columbia have an inalienable right to make that decision for themselves. Only those who are elected and accountable to the citizens of the District of Columbia have the moral imperative to make the decisions which are so important and so dire. That we face a crisis, there is no doubt. This is not a foreign enemy invasion. It is an internal pathology, which, though unacceptable, is no justification for an exacerbation of amoral punishment, the ultimate act of incivility. In this time of crisis, we must seize the opportunity to be firm and resolute as we deal with crime but sane and civil with the treatment of those who are the perpetrators of crime. The quality of mercy must not be strained. Let there be no equivocation in my position. Thou shalt not kill. Senator Lieberman. Thank you, Dr. Hicks, and Councilwoman Schwartz. Obviously, you have both spoken against the grain, if you will, of previous testimony, but this does not come as a total surprise to the Subcommittee. We appreciate that you are here. This process works best when we, if you will allow me to say this, Dr. Hicks, when we do not only hear a chorus of ``amens,'' but when we are challenged to hear all sides, and I appreciate the eloquence with which you both spoke. Senator Brownback [presiding]. Thank you, Senator Lieberman. I apologize. We just had a major issue that I had to take care of. If I could ask quickly and directly, Councilwoman Schwartz, you heard Senator Hutchison testify, saying, ``Look, I am willing to allow the city to go forward.'' You are a supporter of capital punishment for protection of police officers. You heard her say something about somewhere around a July 1 time frame. Is that a reasonable time frame to give the city the time to act on this issue? Ms. Schwartz. Well, it really is not a reasonable time frame, and what concerns me about this--if you do not mind, let me tell you a true story. Senator Lieberman. In your absence, Mr. Chairman, Councilwoman Schwartz advised us to deep-six Senator Hutchison's proposal. Ms. Schwartz. That was a choice. Either vote it down, deep- six it, or have her withdraw her bill, which unfortunately, she does not seem amenable to doing. But let me tell you a true story. In 1992, I mentioned to you what happened with the Senate initiative on the death penalty, and unfortunately, Senator Brownback, you did not hear my testimony, but in my testimony, I stated that defeat of the death penalty, which was by a 2-to-1 margin, I do believe it would have probably been more like 50-50 had it not been for the whole Congressional interference discussion that went on around it. I actually know people who voted against the initiative even though they favor the death penalty because of the Congressional mandate that required us to deal with the issue. So you have to realize, in any discussion that takes place in D.C., you--the Congress--can make or break it by what you do up here. Now, here is where I am going to bring in my true story. I came back from Officer Gibson's funeral on February 10 and I was very emotionally disturbed by that, as I am with each of these tragic deaths we face in our city. I walked into my office and I said to my staff, I am going to commit political suicide in this town, and you have to realize, most of my staff are against what I was proposing, but I said, I am going to commit political suicide, but I feel strongly enough about this issue that I want to propose legislation which would provide for the death penalty for those who kill law enforcement officers. That was on February 10, right after the funeral. About an hour and a half later, one of my staff members knocked on my door and said that Kay Bailey Hutchison just offered a bill in the U.S. Senate to impose the death penalty for those who kill police. I said, oh, shoot. I actually said something a little stronger than that, which I will not relate here, but I thought, oh, darn. Here goes any chance that I might have to get a local discussion going on this very important issue without having the whole discussion of Congress getting itself involved. So I put it on the back burner. Then as the days and weeks went on, I started getting really mad, because I hate it when Congress tells me what to do, and if you were in our shoes, you would feel the same way, and I want to say just one thing on that. You mentioned that Senator Hutchison, I think, made a good point today when she said that the Congress is the District's State and States tell local jurisdictions what to do. But the difference is, in States that are telling local jurisdictions what to do, those local jurisdictions have a vote in their State legislatures, so they have representation. We do not have voting representation in our ``State,'' the U.S. Congress, and that is a big inequity which has been long, very hurtful, and legitimately hurtful in our citizens' feelings about you all looking out for us. But anyway, I put this on the back burner because I thought, there goes any opportunity we will have for this discussion, which I favor. I probably favor it as passionately as Senator Hutchison or each of you favors it. And yet, I wanted to see that local discussion, even though I knew it was not a popular one here in my home town. As the days and weeks went by, I started thinking, as much as I hate Congress telling me what to do, I also equally hated it that I was allowing Congress, my feelings about Congress, to keep me from doing what I wanted to do. So then I started talking to the Mayor and we came out on our own. I do think it is interesting that Marion Barry and I, who between the two of us, in 1994 got 98 percent of the vote for Mayor. He got 56 percent. I got 42 percent. We have come out together on this same issue. I wish Congress would back off long enough for us to have a real good local discussion on this without the hammer over the head of a July date or a blank date. Senator Brownback. Ms. Schwartz, what length of time is, then, reasonable for you to have a real discussion about this? What would it be? Ms. Schwartz. I understand from the Chair of the Judiciary Committee that he does plan to hold a hearing on this issue in June. It is possible for the Council to either vote it up or down by July, but I doubt if that will be the case because I do not think necessarily the votes are there, so it is not going to be pushed very strongly. I, then, would consider doing an initiative, a locally initiated initiative on this issue where the voters could speak if the Council does not do it. That does take some time. You have to get an initiative on the ballot. You have to get all the signatures that are needed and then there would have to be an election, and we are having some special elections coming up. So I would say the end of the year is far more reasonable than the July date. But there again, I deeply regret the hammer that I felt Senator Hutchison put over our head today, that if you do not do this by July, we are going to do it. Now, all of a sudden, this good local debate is now going to get refocused away from what it should be focused on and back up here to the U.S. Congress. Senator Brownback. I hope you will go ahead and conduct a local debate in spite of the background noise in the U.S. Congress, but that you will have a good local debate on it. Dr. Hicks, could I ask you, and I understand from your written testimony your position and the heartfeltness of that position, from you putting that forward in writing in your comments. Let me ask you, though, what creates in our culture a situation, the same thing I have asked these other people, where we have had three police officers stalked and killed in the District in 4 months. Is there something that can be done to change that culture? You disagree with one answer here. What else is there? Rev. Hicks. My disagreement is primarily with the death penalty as an answer to the pathology. I am not sure that any of us have a total solution to it. We heard testimony earlier with regard to the change that needs to be made in the educational system, which speaks to the issue of trying to bring about civility as a matter of changing persons' moral behavior. I represent a particular philosophy of life which says that we are able within the church to shape people's minds and to mold behaviors. We also believe that parents in their homes have a great responsibility to mold the moral values of children, and, therefore, to control their behaviors. Nevertheless, the reality is that our culture is of such-- in fact, we live in a culture of violence. We not only have the ``Beavis and Buttheads'' that are on television and ``The Simpsons'' and all of the rest which espouse incivility, which espouse the kinds of behavior which are certainly anti-social. We have developed a whole mindset within this country that says that killing and murder and death are something that are to be accepted within the society. That is why every movie that comes out from Hollywood supports it. That is why almost everything we watch on television applauds it. That is why we spend billions upon billions of dollars within the U.S. Senate and the House of Representatives in order to manufacture weapons of war and death. And while I understand the necessity to protect the land, at the same time, we have sent out another message to the entirety of the world that we will be a people who live by the instruments of death. I say to Council Member Schwartz, we are not in a position where we can accept either suicide or homicide. Neither is an acceptable alternative. The issue within the District of Columbia is that the District residents have already held discussions on this issue and have already exercised their right to vote by telling us that they are, in fact, opposed to the death penalty, that, in fact, they are opposed to the manufacture of semi-automatic weapons. The reality is that we can debate this ad nauseam and we still will come up with the same response, because I thoroughly reject the idea that the only reason why the death penalty issue was rejected by the citizens of the District of Columbia had to do with the fact that Congress was intervening. Of course, that was a part of the process, but at the same time, underneath everything that you see in Washington, D.C. are a people who are civil, are people who are moral, are people who are law abiding, are people who are church going and who are God believing and who, therefore, reject on a moral ground this whole idea of a death penalty as a means of exercising control over whatever anti-social behavior there is within the community. It simply seems to me that we need to find other ways to correct the social ills that bring about the problems that we have. Do I have a crystal ball that will tell you what that will be? Obviously not, but we must work together in order to be agents of life and not the agents of death. Senator Brownback. You make a very passionate and very clear and good response. Studies certainly support the concept that capital punishment, while it may be beneficial, it may not, I mean, they do go back and forth on it, and I do not hold it as the ``be all and end all'' answer to a culture that tolerates this sort of situation. Yet, we are all groping. You cannot let this type of activity continue. Rev. Hicks. Nor can you permit it to be a knee-jerk reaction to the fact that we have had three deaths, which are regrettable, and we understand that and our hearts go out to the families. Nevertheless, there are countless others. The body bags are not just of police officers. The body bags are of butchers or of bakers, of children, of parents, of grandparents who have been taken away to the morgue by the same kind of insanity. So the solution is not to respond to the needs of one segment of the population, but to the entirety of the issue. Senator Brownback. Then what do we do? Rev. Hicks. We have got to attack it on all fronts. We cannot attack it in this one manner. If this one manner were to solve the issue, then I would agree with you, but it will not. It must be a comprehensive response to the problem and not an isolated response. Senator Brownback. When you can identify the specifics of our comprehensive response, or maybe you will be willing to look at the package of ideas that we will put forward for the District of Columbia, for the schools and for the areas of crime and for the areas of economic growth and development and for the overall areas of what we can do to revitalize this system. But, you know, there is one thing we cannot do here from Congress. There are many things we cannot do from here in Congress, and that is really work on the soul. That ultimately is where we get at, and I hope you are having a great growth and revival taking place in your church and throughout this community because that is your job and not ours, and---- Rev. Hicks. It is a matter of soul, but sometimes it is also a matter of some real mundane kinds of things. In other words, we see that in the District, for instance, that the money for the youth program for the summer has been cut out and it looks as though we will not be able to have that money. The one program that we had in this city that was about the business of trying to save the lives of young people in the District of Columbia is now being ripped apart, primarily because of the initiatives by the Control Board and others to bring the city back into line financially. I understand that. At the same time, we are being asked in the churches to then take the young people and find something to do with them in order to give them the kind of support that they will need. These children are about to be put back out on the street, where they need to be employed, they need to be in churches, they need to be in synagogues, they need to be in other kinds of agencies where they can be trained and where they can be taught the lessons of civility. But if the very foundation upon which we are seeking to build is destroyed and is taken from us, then I am afraid, Senator, that we will find that our problems will be exacerbated rather than relieved. Senator Brownback. Thank you for your testimony, and both of you, as well. I thank everyone for attending. I appreciate it and we will have further hearings on the District of Columbia. The hearing is adjourned. 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