[Senate Hearing 108-651] [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office] S. Hrg. 108-651 DIETARY SUPPLEMENT SAFETY ACT: HOW IS THE FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION DOING 10 YEARS LATER? ======================================================================= HEARING before the OVERSIGHT OF GOVERNMENT MANAGEMENT, THE FEDERAL WORKFORCE, AND THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA SUBCOMMITTEE of the COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS UNITED STATES SENATE ONE HUNDRED EIGHTH CONGRESS SECOND SESSION __________ JUNE 8, 2004 __________ Printed for the use of the Committee on Governmental Affairs U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 95-187 WASHINGTON : 2004 ____________________________________________________________________________ For Sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office Internet: bookstore.gpo.gov Phone: toll free (866) 512-1800; (202) 512�091800 Fax: (202) 512�092250 Mail: Stop SSOP, Washington, DC 20402�090001 COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS SUSAN M. COLLINS, Maine, Chairman TED STEVENS, Alaska JOSEPH I. LIEBERMAN, Connecticut GEORGE V. VOINOVICH, Ohio CARL LEVIN, Michigan NORM COLEMAN, Minnesota DANIEL K. AKAKA, Hawaii ARLEN SPECTER, Pennsylvania RICHARD J. DURBIN, Illinois ROBERT F. BENNETT, Utah THOMAS R. CARPER, Delaware PETER G. FITZGERALD, Illinois MARK DAYTON, Minnesota JOHN E. SUNUNU, New Hampshire FRANK LAUTENBERG, New Jersey RICHARD C. SHELBY, Alabama MARK PRYOR, Arkansas Michael D. Bopp, Staff Director and Chief Counsel Joyce A. Rechtschaffen, Minority Staff Director and Counsel Amy B. Newhouse, Chief Clerk ------ OVERSIGHT OF GOVERNMENT MANAGEMENT, THE FEDERAL WORKFORCE, AND THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA SUBCOMMITTEE GEORGE V. VOINOVICH, Ohio, Chairman TED STEVENS, Alaska RICHARD J. DURBIN, Illinois NORM COLEMAN, Minnesota DANIEL K. AKAKA, Hawaii ROBERT F. BENNETT, Utah THOMAS R. CARPER, Delaware PETER G. FITZGERALD, Illinois FRANK LAUTENBERG, New Jersey JOHN E. SUNUNU, New Hampshire MARK PRYOR, Arkansas Andrew Richardson, Staff Director Marianne Clifford Upton, Minority Staff Director and Chief Counsel Kevin R. Doran, Chief Clerk C O N T E N T S ------ Opening statements: Page Senator Voinovich............................................ 1 Senator Durbin............................................... 2 WITNESSES Tuesday, June 8, 2004 Hon. Robert E. Brackett, Ph.D., Director, Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition, U.S. Food and Drug Administration....... 5 Alice M. Clark, Ph.D., Vice Chancellor for Research and Sponsored Programs, University of Mississippi, Oxford, Mississippi....... 18 Ronald M. Davis, M.D., Member, Board of Trustees, American Medical Association (AMA)...................................... 20 Charles W.F. Bell, Program Director, Consumers Union of U.S., Inc 21 Anthony L. Young, General Counsel, American Herbal Products Association (AHPA)............................................. 24 Bruce Silverglade, Director of Legal Affairs, Center for Science in the Public Interest......................................... 25 Annette Dickinson, Ph.D., President, Council for Responsible Nutrition...................................................... 27 Alphabetical List of Witnesses Bell, Charles W.F.: Testimony.................................................... 21 Prepared statement........................................... 92 Brackett, Hon. Robert E., Ph.D.: Testimony.................................................... 5 Prepared statement with attachments.......................... 43 Clark, Alice M., Ph.D.: Testimony.................................................... 18 Prepared statement with attachments.......................... 75 Davis, Ronald M., M.D.: Testimony.................................................... 20 Prepared statement........................................... 85 Dickinson, Annette, Ph.D.: Testimony.................................................... 27 Prepared statement with attachments.......................... 123 Silverglade, Bruce: Testimony.................................................... 25 Prepared statement........................................... 115 Young, Anthony L.: Testimony.................................................... 24 Prepared statement........................................... 105 APPENDIX List of Manufacturers Receiving Androstenedione Warning Letters.. 66 Sample Warning Letter on Androstenedione......................... 68 Chart entitled ``Time Line of Activities To Establish Current Good Manufacturing Practice Regulations (CGMPs) for Dietary Supplements,'' submitted by Mr. Brackett....................... 70 Chart entitled ``CFSAN 2004 Program Priorities,'' submitted by Mr. Brackett................................................... 72 American Society For Pharmacology and Experimental Therapeutics (ASPET), prepared statement.................................... 137 DIETARY SUPPLEMENT SAFETY ACT: HOW IS THE FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION DOING 10 YEARS LATER? ---------- TUESDAY, JUNE 8, 2004 U.S. Senate, Oversight of Government Management, the Federal Workforce, and the District of Columbia Subcommittee, of the Committee on Governmental Affairs, Washington, DC. The Subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 2:36 p.m., in room SD-342 Dirksen Senate Office Building, Hon. George V. Voinovich, Chairman of the Subcommittee, presiding. Present: Senators Voinovich and Durbin. OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR VOINOVICH Senator Voinovich. The Subcommittee will come to order. Good afternoon, and thank you for coming. The Subcommittee is meeting this afternoon to discuss the Food and Drug Administration's implementation of the Dietary Supplemental Health Education Act of 1994, also referred to as DSHEA. This hearing was requested by my friend and colleague, Senator Durbin. In the 5\1/2\ years that I have been Chairman or Ranking Member on this Subcommittee, Senator Durbin and I have had an excellent working relationship. When I was Chairman of the Subcommittee during the 106th Congress, we held two hearings on food safety at Senator Durbin's request, and during the last Congress, Senator Durbin held two hearings at my request on one of my top issues, human capital management, and today, I am happy to be hosting this hearing. Prior to this hearing, I was not familiar with the subject matter of dietary supplements. After I started researching the issue, I began to understand why Senator Durbin wanted to hold a hearing. I take vitamins daily and would like to be guaranteed that they are labeled correctly and that they are safe. I also have additional concerns with people mixing dietary supplements and prescription drugs. Millions of Americans buy and use dietary supplements on a daily basis and believe that the products that they are taking are safe and beneficial to their health. Now that we have reached the 10th anniversary of the act, it is appropriate to examine whether the FDA and the dietary supplement industry have adhered to the intent of this law so that Congress might consider ways in which it could be improved and also to educate American consumers on the latest development in dietary supplement policies and practices. Recognizing the need for the Federal Government to address the American consumer's growing interest in dietary products and public safety, Congress overwhelmingly passed DSHEA 10 years ago. And the purpose of the act was to provide the framework for ensuring that the Federal Government properly oversees the safety and efficacy of dietary supplements sold in the United States. Essentially, this legislation requires that all ingredients and supplements sold in the United States must be previously approved by the FDA and listed on the bottle label and that distributors must follow guidelines to demonstrate the veracity of any claims that are made in regard to the particular product. Additionally, an important aspect of DSHEA is the establishment of good manufacturing practices, GMPs, which are standards that could help ensure the safety of dietary supplements. In March 2003, the FDA published a proposed rule for dietary supplement GMPs, and the rule is currently under review. It is my understanding that the final rule on GMPs is expected by the end of the year. I applaud the Bush Administration and former FDA Commissioner McClellan for making this a priority. This is a positive step in the enforcement of DSHEA, and I hope these standards give American consumers of dietary supplements greater confidence in their safety. With that said, I would like to know why it took the regulations so long to be established. Responsible members of this industry have actively sought appropriate science-based regulations to ensure that consumers are well-educated through factual labeling and that dietary supplements are manufactured in a consistent manner to guarantee their safety and efficacy. Unfortunately, not all players in the market are responsible. It is these bad players that bring us here today. We need to ensure that they are held accountable and that Americans can depend on the existing regulatory agencies to protect and promote their wellbeing with regard to dietary supplements. To aid in this dialogue, the Subcommittee will be hearing from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, policy researchers, medical professionals, consumer advocacy groups, and dietary supplement industry leaders, regarding the impact of the law. I now yield to our Ranking Member of the Subcommittee, my good friend, Senator Durbin, for an opening statement. OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR DURBIN Senator Durbin. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And this has been a very cooperative bipartisan relationship, and we each have our interests and priorities, and Senator Voinovich has allowed me to pursue this, and when I chaired this same Subcommittee, I offered the same opportunity to him. And I think this is the kind of bipartisan cooperation people expect of us, and I am glad that we have been able to achieve it in this Subcommittee. Mr. Chairman, 1994 was an important year in the history of the dietary supplement industry. After an overwhelming effort on Capitol Hill, the dietary supplement industry won the right to sell their products to the American public without testing them in advance for safety or establishing their efficacy. The Dietary Supplement Health Education Act of 1994, also known as DSHEA, exempted the industry from informing the FDA when their products caused harm or injury to the people who were buying them. The law that was passed in 1994 was opposed by all public health, medical, and professional nutrition groups, including the American Cancer Society, the American Dietetic Association and all of the major consumer groups in America, including the Consumer Federation of America. Since then, business has been very good for the supplement industry. The industry has grown more than fourfold since 1994, from $4 billion to $18 billion in sales. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, more than 38 million Americans used dietary supplements in the past 12 months. The Internet has now grown to 143 million users, and there are literally thousands, hundreds of thousands of Websites on the Internet that sell dietary supplements. But meanwhile, consumers have been endangered by the FDA's inability to act on particular supplements, 155 people died after taking dietary supplements containing the stimulant ephedra, and thousands more suffered injury. Yet it took years, literally years, for the FDA to ban this substance under this law, DSHEA. The FDA's action, though commendable, may have been a classic case of closing the barn door well after the horse had galloped away. By July 2003, 6 months before FDA acted, Walgreens, CVS, Rite Aid, and virtually all other major drug stores and specialty nutrition stores in this country had already removed products containing ephedra from their shelves. Why? They believed that ephedra was too risky and exposed their stores to legal liability if they continued to sell dangerous ephedra products. All the major American sports organizations and the International Olympic Committee had already banned ephedra before the FDA acted. Three of the most populous States, Illinois, New York, and California, had done the same, and the nation of Canada had banned the sale of ephedra. Ephedra products were banned for sale on military base exchanges around the world, because we had literally lost soldiers who had taken ephedra products and died. Why did it take the FDA, the agency created by President Theodore Roosevelt to protect the American public from mysterious elixirs claiming to cure diseases, so long to finally pull the plug on ephedra? The answer? DSHEA. The law has to be changed to protect consumers. Millions of Americans take vitamins safely every day, including this Senator and the Chairman. Vitamins taken in recommended doses are safe. It is the designer supplements that are worrisome. Supplement makers like to say their products are safe because they are natural. They have been used for years. But the truth is that many of today's supplements contain concentrated extracts mixed with a myriad of other ingredients that can be harmful. Take the supplement Joint Ease, which was marketed as a natural remedy for arthritis. While the active ingredient, aristolochic acid, has been used for centuries in Europe and China, the supplement product contained the substance in concentrated form which was subsequently found to cause kidney failure and kidney cancer. The product was eventually recalled, but only after cases in the United Kingdom, Belgium, and France highlighted its toxicity. Until we fundamentally change the law governing how supplements are regulated, agencies responsible for public health will constantly fall short of monitoring the marketing practices of this industry. I do not believe that every natural substance needs to be subject to premarket safety testing. But at the very least, DSHEA should be changed so that stimulants are tested before marketed. When a supplement raises blood pressure, increases metabolism and constricts blood vessels, it is only prudent that we test this product before it is marketed. Otherwise, American consumers are going to be the laboratory test rats. Another change I would like to see made to DSHEA is making the adverse event reporting system mandatory for serious adverse events. I am not talking about someone getting dizzy from taking a supplement. I am talking about heart attacks, strokes, and death. It is absolutely necessary that we know when a product is seriously harming people. How can the FDA effectively protect the public if it does not know when the product is causing harm? Adverse event reporting is not a cumbersome process compared to the premarket safety and efficacy review prescription and over-the-counter drugs go through. Fixing DSHEA and keeping dietary supplements safe are challenging tasks. It is no assignment for the politically timid, I can tell you, having been on this issue for a couple years. Regardless, our responsibility to protect the health of the American consumer is clear. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Senator Voinovich. Thank you, Senator Durbin. First, the Subcommittee has the pleasure of hearing testimony from Hon. Dr. Robert Brackett. Dr. Brackett is the Director of the Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition at the Food and Drug Administration. He will explain in greater detail the status of DSHEA's implementation. On the second panel, we will hear from Dr. Alice Clark, the Vice Chancellor for Research and Sponsored Programs at the University of Mississippi and a member of the National Academy of Sciences' Task Force for Developing a Framework for Evaluating the Safety of Dietary Supplements. The Subcommittee will also hear testimony from Dr. Ron Davis, Member of the Board of Trustees of the American Medical Association to discuss the medical society's view of DSHEA. And we will also hear from two consumer groups: Charles Bell, who is the Program Director for Consumer Reports; and Bruce Silverglade is the Director of Legal Affairs at the Center for Science in the Public Interest. And to provide insight into how DSHEA has affected the dietary supplementary industry, the Subcommittee will hear from Tony Young, General Counsel for the American Herbal Products Association, which represents the herbal supplement industry and Dr. Annette Dickinson, President of the Council for Responsible Nutrition, who represents many suppliers, manufacturers, and marketers of dietary supplements in the United States. I want to thank all of our witnesses for coming today. It is my sincere hope that this hearing will help point out the positive effects of the Dietary Supplement Health Education Act while at the same time providing suggestions from our witnesses that could further improve this law. Once again, we look forward to hearing from today's witnesses. I would appreciate it if all of you could keep your statements to 5 minutes and please be aware that your statements will be made a part of the official record of this Subcommittee. We have a custom here in this Subcommittee to swear in all witnesses. I would ask all of our witnesses today to stand and to raise your right hand, please. [Witnesses sworn.] Senator Voinovich. Let the record indicate they answered in the affirmative. Dr. Brackett, will you come forward? TESTIMONY OF HON. ROBERT BRACKETT, PH.D.,\1\ DIRECTOR, CENTER FOR FOOD SAFETY AND APPLIED NUTRITION, U.S. FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION Mr. Brackett. Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman and Senator Durbin. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \1\ The prepared statement of Mr. Brackett with attachments appears in the Appendix on page 43. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am Dr. Robert Brackett, Director of FDA Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition, and I am pleased today to testify before your Subcommittee on the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act. Many Americans take some type of dietary supplement, and in many cases, there is either strong or suggestive evidence that many of the vitamins and minerals and other sorts of naturally- occurring products that we take have important health benefits. The Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994, as you said, DSHEA, amended the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act to set up a distinct regulatory framework for these products in an attempt to strike the right balance between providing consumers access to dietary supplements that they may choose to help to maintain and improve their health and giving the Food and Drug Administration regulatory authorities to take action against supplements or supplement ingredients that present safety problems, either having false or misleading claims or otherwise adulterated or misbranded. As with foods, there is no premarket FDA approval of safety for most dietary supplements. However, there is a 75-day premarket notification requirement for manufacturers of certain dietary supplements that contain so-called new dietary ingredients that were not marketed in the United States before October 15, 1994. In its new dietary ingredient notification to FDA, the manufacturer or distributor of the supplement must submit information that provides the basis on which it concludes that the dietary supplement containing the new dietary ingredient will reasonably be expected to be safe. FDA regulates the safety of dietary supplements primarily through a postmarket evaluation of whether the product is adulterated under the provisions of the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act. In developing a comprehensive postmarket safety evaluation of dietary supplement products, FDA collaborates with consumer and industry stakeholders as well as other Federal partners and academic centers. An important tool that FDA uses for developing the so- called signal which might identify potential safety problems are adverse events reports. These reports are not mandatory and consist of voluntary reports from industry, health care providers and consumers. Under DSHEA, FDA was given authority to promulgate regulations for dietary supplement current good manufacturing practices, CGMPs, and such regulations could help ensure product quality and consistency. FDA published a proposed rule on March 13, 2003; extended the comment period; convened two satellite downlink outreach meetings and attended three outreach meetings organized by the industry. Publishing the final rule is a priority for FDA. The FDA uses three principles: direct health risk, indirect health risk, and economic harm to guide the development of its risk- based enforcement strategy. Products that are not themselves hazardous can still present an indirect health hazard in that consumers may delay or forego proven medical treatments or drug therapies. Examples include unproven products promoted for the treatment of cancer, diabetes, arthritis, heart disease, and high blood pressure. This strategy provides a foundation for the agency's enforcement activities. However, we continually reevaluate our actions and emphasis in light of emerging issues or products to ensure that our activities achieve compliance. Since October 2002, FDA has conducted 224 domestic inspections of dietary supplement manufacturers, issued more than 170 warning letters and cyberletters to marketers of dietary supplement products, seized products worth more than $9 million, supervised the voluntary destruction of more than $3 million worth of supplements with promoted and unsubstantiated dietary supplement claims or that were unapproved drugs and obtained permanent injunctions against five firms distributing misbranded or unapproved new drugs. FDA enforcement has extended to our Nation's borders, where we have refused importation of more than 1,500 foreign shipments of potentially unsafe or misbranded dietary supplements offered for entry into the United States. The agency's enforcement actions send a clear message that FDA will not tolerate fraudulent practices that victimize or endanger consumers. In April 2004, FDA sent a warning letter to 16 dietary supplement manufacturers making false and misleading claims for weight loss products promoted over the Internet. Many of these products claimed to block starch, carbohydrates, fats and calories while maintaining that consumers would lose weight without any changes in their lifestyle. On March 8, 2004, the producers and distributors of SEA-Silver signed a consent decree of permanent injunction in which they agreed to stop manufacturing and distributing violative products and agreed to destroy the seized products at their expense and pay liquidated damages of $10,000 per day for any future violations of the consent decree. Under a settlement with the Federal Trade Commission entered into on March 4, 2004, the SEA-Silver defendants and the individual distributors agreed to pay $4.5 million in consumer redress, and this consent decree followed a coordinated effort in June 2003 that resulted in the seizure of $5.3 million worth of products. FDA will continue to use our available resources to fully implement DSHEA, and Mr. Chairman, I do thank you very much for this opportunity to testify today, and I would be very happy to take your questions. Senator Voinovich. Thank you, Dr. Brackett. Do you think that DSHEA gives the FDA the regulatory authority to supervise the dietary supplement industry? Mr. Brackett. It does give us the supervisory authority to supervise the dietary supplement industry. But what is important is that we take what all of the parts of DSHEA and implement it fully in order to get the most use out of it. Senator Voinovich. So it is your opinion that the law is adequate. Do you think that there are some improvements that could be made in the law that make it easier for you to get the job done? Mr. Brackett. Well, the administration has no plans at this time to make any changes or suggest any changes to DSHEA. There are a number of options that we could use that would improve our effectiveness, including, especially, more research that could be done on some of the supplements themselves so that we could better define what they are and what they do. Senator Voinovich. One issue that is of concern to this Subcommittee is the oversight of government management and restructuring, is the capacity of agencies to perform the jobs that they are asked to perform by Congress, in this particular case, DSHEA, the enforcement of it, I think in your testimony you said something about FDA does the job with ``available resources.'' Mr. Brackett. That is right. Senator Voinovich. I know that FDA has numerous responsibilities other than enforcing DSHEA. Do you believe that you have the resources necessary to enforce this law? Mr. Brackett. Well, we have the resources we need to do and enforce the top priorities. Part of our strategy is to look at all of the different issues that we have to deal with within DSHEA, prioritize them based on public health risks, as I had mentioned earlier and then to use our resources effectively towards those that have the biggest public health impact. Senator Voinovich. What are the top priorities? Mr. Brackett. The top priorities are looking at those ingredients that might cause some sort of injury or might otherwise cause human health effects. As I mentioned, we can also have indirect effects, where people are taking dietary supplements in lieu of taking medical treatments, but we are most interested in those ingredients that might actually have a direct public health impact; that is, make someone ill. Senator Voinovich. How do you find out about those ingredients? Mr. Brackett. Well, there are several different ways, one of which is the label. We look to see what is on the label and whether the ingredients listed on the label actually have characteristics, known pharmacological properties that---- Senator Voinovich. Do you have a regular policy of monitoring these supplements as they come onto the market? Or do you wait for these things to be brought to your attention by this adverse event reporting or from consumer groups that are out there monitoring new supplements? Mr. Brackett. Well, all of the above. We have, as I mentioned, the 75-day notification in which a manufacturer of a new dietary ingredient would send in an application for their product being listed as a new dietary ingredient, where they must show cause that they believe that this product is safe, so that is one way. Senator Voinovich. These are new ingredients. The law was passed 10 years ago and said that the ingredients prior to the passage of the law were grandfathered in. Mr. Brackett. That is correct. Senator Voinovich. So, if they come out with new ingredients that are different than what were grandfathered, they have an obligation to bring that to your attention? Mr. Brackett. That is correct. Senator Voinovich. If they do not do that, what is the penalty? Mr. Brackett. They are subject to prosecution, because they are marketing this product that is not an approved new dietary ingredient. The other things that we do in addition to looking at---- Senator Voinovich. Pardon me; do you have many of those that do that? Mr. Brackett. No, there are not many who do that. We have-- probably more than half the applications that come in, we will object to, because they have not provided enough information, enough scientific information to justify that they are safe, and so, we are not aware of many that do that. Some smaller items may, when we find out about them, we do take action for those. And as listed in my written testimony, there are a number of examples of those sorts of items that we have taken action on. Senator Voinovich. About how many prosecutions have you had for people who failed to come in and comply with that part of the law? Mr. Brackett. I am not sure of the exact numbers. I can find that out, and I would be happy to get back to you with the exact number. INFORMATION PROVIDED FOR THE RECORD Response: In March 2004, FDA sent 23 warning letters to companies asking them to cease distributing products sold as dietary supplements that contain androstendione (andro) and warning them that they could face enforcement actions if they do not take appropriate actions. The warning letters state that FDA assumes that the firm has a basis to conclude that androstenedione is a dietary ingredient. If androstenedione is a dietary ingredient, FDA believes that it is also a new dietary ingredient for which a premarket safety notification is required. Because any manufacturer or distributor who has received a warning letter has submitted no such notification, these products are adulterated and their marketing is prohibited under the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act. The letters further state that FDA is, based on what it knows now, aware of no history of use or other information establishing that a dietary supplement containing androstenedione will reasonably be expected to be safe. In the absence of such information, these products would be adulterated even if the required premarket safety notification were submitted. The attached list has the names of the firms and the products in question. A sample warning letter is also attached.\1\ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \1\ List of Manufacturers Receiving Androstenedione Warning Letters and Sample Warning Letter on Androstenedione, submitted by Mr. Brackett, appear in the Appendix on pages 66 and 68 respectively. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Agency has never conducted a prosecution for violations of the notification requirements for new dietary ingredients. Senator Voinovich. I would like that. Mr. Brackett. OK. Senator Voinovich. As you know, under DSHEA, FDA can regulate dietary supplement good manufacturing practices. I understand that FDA will issue a final rule on GMPs possibly by the end of the year. Can you tell me why it has taken so long for these GMPs to be issued and if you feel they will bring about needed changes in the oversight of the dietary supplementary industry? Mr. Brackett. Well, I will answer your last part first, which is yes, absolutely; good manufacturing practices are essential to providing consistency and quality, and, as you mentioned earlier, to make sure that the consumers get what they think they are getting in an ingredient. There's a number of reasons why it has taken a long time. First, in 1994, when DSHEA was published, it took a little bit of time for FDA to, in making a current good manufacturing practice rule, finding out all of the background on the industry, what needed to be changed, what did not need to be changed. And so, we spent a lot of time meeting with the industry in the intervening years. From that, we were able to propose the rule that you had mentioned earlier. Senator Voinovich. When was that rule proposed again? Mr. Brackett. In 1993. Senator Voinovich. No, I am talking about the rule that---- Mr. Brackett. Oh, in March 2003 is the current proposed good manufacturing practice rule. Since that time, we have gotten much comment from the industry. We have met with them; have extended the comment period; we have gotten over 1,600 pages of comments that we very thoughtfully went through; hundreds of substantive comments that we will address in the final rule. Senator Voinovich. I have run out of my time, but one question that I have got, and then, you can save it for the next one is that if the law was passed 10 years ago, it seems to me that is a long time to consider regulation. Mr. Brackett. It is a long time, and that is why it is one of our top priorities within the Center for Foods. Senator Voinovich. Thank you. Senator Durbin. Senator Durbin. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Dr. Brackett, I apologize. We are usually given biographies of the witnesses, and I do not have yours. Are you a medical doctor? Mr. Brackett. No, I am not. I have a Ph.D. in food microbiology. Senator Durbin. I see. Let me ask you a few questions, if I might. First, on the reporting of new ingredients, the 75-day reporting, was there a list published of pre-1994, pre-DSHEA ingredients so that FDA knows if there is a new ingredient that is being used? Mr. Brackett. To my knowledge, there was no specific list given on those ingredients. Senator Durbin. So how does that work? Mr. Brackett. What FDA does, then, is goes back to look to see whether certain of the dietary supplements that we know were sold before that time were marketed, and of course, those we can rule out. Otherwise, it takes research to go back and find out whether there is any evidence that they were, and we also request from the industry to show whether or not they were marketed before that period. Senator Durbin. That seems like a very unusual approach, that FDA did not start off with a list of pre-1994 ingredients so the agency would have some knowledge as to whether an ingredient is new. Is it possible that some ingredients were benign in some combinations but dangerous in other combinations? Mr. Brackett. Yes, that is true. Senator Durbin. So if you had an ingredient that perhaps was viewed as an old ingredient, had been used before 1994, now combined with another old ingredient, the combination itself could turn out to be dangerous; is that possible? Mr. Brackett. It would be possible. I do not know of any specific examples, but that goes back to one of the important gaps that I think we have, which is do we actually characterize many of these ingredients to find out individually what they do and what their characteristics are? And then, when you also have the evidence-based reviews of these compounds, see if there is any evidence of cross-reaction with other compounds. Senator Durbin. So to protect American consumers, would not our government and your agency want to know a lot more about the ingredients used before 1994, particularly in what combinations they were used, and whether you are not only seeing new ingredients but new combinations of old ingredients? Are not all of those important questions if your mission is to protect the consumers? Mr. Brackett. They are excellent questions, and that is information that we would like to have. That is true. Senator Durbin. And you do not have the right to establish that information under DSHEA, do you? Mr. Brackett. Well, what we are doing is working with academic centers such as the University of Mississippi's National Center for Natural Product Research, with the National Institutes of Health, to try to get those answers. Senator Durbin. We are 10 years after the fact, and I am glad we are still working to try to get those answers as the industry has grown from $4 billion in sales to $18 billion in sales. Now, let me speak about the GMPs, the manufacturing practices. How many years has the FDA been working on these regulations to establish good manufacturing practices in the dietary supplement industry? Mr. Brackett. Well, I would say at some level, we have been working since DSHEA was passed. It has been the most active probably in the last 4 or 5 years. Senator Durbin. So for 10 years, the FDA has been trying to establish basic standards of manufacture and purity of the products themselves, not looking into specific questions about whether this is a product that might be of some danger to an individual; is that correct? Mr. Brackett. That is correct. Well, as I mentioned earlier in the testimony, one of the things we did early on was to go back and check what were manufacturers doing at that time? What were the industry norms within the industry themselves? Which sorts of operations would cause products to be either contaminated or whether they would be reduced, or perhaps the amount of an ingredient might not match what was on the label. So we tried to learn as much about this industry as we could before we actually started writing. Senator Durbin. Are you familiar with a group called Consumer Lab, Dr. Cooperman and Dr. Obermeyer? Mr. Brackett. I have heard the name, yes. Senator Durbin. I believe Dr. Obermeyer was a former employee of the Food and Drug Administration. In Oprah Magazine, they just published the fact that Theragran-M, which is a very common multivitamin, advanced formula, high potency multivitamin, multimineral contained 3.65 micrograms of lead, which exceeded the limit for supplements used by adults. Are you familiar with that? Mr. Brackett. I have not read the article, and I have heard rumors about it but no personal knowledge of that issue. Senator Durbin. Now, going to Chairman Voinovich's question, Stuart Prenatal, a multivitamin, multimineral supplement, advertises that it has 4,000 IUs of Vitamin A. It turns out, after testing, it has 75 percent of the vitamin A that is claimed. Again, that is in the article which you are familiar with--or at least have heard of--but have not read. These are things which go to the question of good manufacturing practices, are they not? Mr. Brackett. That is exactly what good manufacturing practices are for, and in addition to having too little vitamins, it is sometimes quite dangerous to have too much as well, so that is also covered. Senator Durbin. And we are still, after 10 years, trying to establish basic standards on good manufacturing practices. Let me go to March 11, 2004, this year, where your agency announced a crackdown on companies selling androstenedione (andro), a steroid precursor. Acting FDA Commissioner Lester Crawford said we are using the DSHEA authority to supervise dietary supplements put on the market after the law was passed. For example, he said, we sent letters to 23 companies directing them to cease distributing dietary supplements containing andro. Doctor, are you familiar with a company known as GNC? Mr. Brackett. Yes, I am. Senator Durbin. Pretty widespread, large company with a lot of stores all over the United States. This morning, I asked my staff to go over to the local GNC. They went over and purchased this product called Skuplt. It is a topical fat loss product containing androstenedione. It also contains yohimbine, a substance the FDA announced 11 years ago causes serious adverse effects, including renal failure, seizures and deaths. Since the FDA has taken a specific action against this dietary supplement, and we still find it on the shelves of one of the most prominent supplement retailers in the United States, what does it tell us about your enforcement actions? Mr. Brackett. Well, with the letters that we sent out on androstenedione, I think all but five have withdrawn their products. Senator Durbin. Out of how many? Mr. Brackett. Out of, I believe, 23. Senator Durbin. Twenty three. Mr. Brackett. In this particular instance, did you say this was a topical? Senator Durbin. Yes. Mr. Brackett. So this may not be covered under what we were looking at, which were oral dietary supplements. Senator Durbin. All right; now, let me ask you about the adverse event reporting. You said one of the things that you feel is your responsibility is to establish the risk of a dietary supplement product; is that correct? Mr. Brackett. Yes. Senator Durbin. We ask the makers of prescription drugs--in fact, we do not ask; we require them to report adverse events so that the Food and Drug Administration will know if there is a warning sign. If someone gets seriously sick, hospitalized, dies from a prescription drug, the FDA is put on notice immediately. Did you not testify earlier that DSHEA makes this reporting by supplement manufacturers strictly voluntary? Mr. Brackett. That is correct. It is voluntary. Senator Durbin. So how can you protect the American consumer from risk if you are not even receiving from these companies, the dietary supplement companies, notice that their products are hurting, injuring or even killing American consumers? Mr. Brackett. Well, I think that the answer to that is that adverse event reporting, it is an important signal, but it is not the only thing that we use. Equally important are some of our knowledge of the pharmacology of some of the ingredients that might be in there with, even in the absence of an adverse event, whether we have used it against evidence-based reviews to see if there has been any reporting in the scientific literature and what the science actually points to on those ingredients as well as perhaps the chemical nature of the compounds themselves, whether they are similar to other sorts of ingredients that we know might cause public health problems. Senator Durbin. So it comes down to a basic question I will ask you: Either you are asking for too much information from the pharmaceutical companies on adverse event reporting, or you are not asking for enough information from the dietary supplement manufacturers, who have a voluntary reporting standard. Which is it? Mr. Brackett. Well, we would welcome a lot more information from the dietary supplement manufacturers or, I think, information in general from wherever, whether it be physicians or the public as well, as again, as one of the parts of the signals that we use. Senator Durbin. Thank you for your tolerance. Exactly how many people at the FDA are monitoring the dietary supplement industry? How many employees? Mr. Brackett. In total, I do not know the exact answer to that, because many of them in the field--again, I could be happy to get back with you to find the appropriate answer. Senator Durbin. Is it a matter of hundreds or dozens or fewer than 20? Just give me a rough estimate. Mr. Brackett. I do not want to speculate. We will find out. It is not probably hundreds, I do not think, but I can find out what the exact allocation of people to this task is for you and get back. INFORMATION PROVIDED FOR THE RECORD In Fiscal Year 2003, FDA had 58 people, i.e., full-time equivalents (FTE), in various parts of the Agency, monitoring the dietary supplement industry. In Fiscal Year 2004, 59 people (FTE), in various parts of the Agency, were monitoring the dietary supplement industry. Senator Durbin. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Senator Voinovich. It is my understanding that if a manufacturer has a defective product, they have the ability to recall this product. I am not sure if there is a law that requires manufacturers to report the defective product, or they are doing it because they want to protect themselves from a lawsuit. Would it not make sense to make it mandatory for these companies to submit adverse event reports? Mr. Brackett. Well, again, that would be one thing that could be done, but again, that is just a small part of the whole or at least an equal part of the many different factors that would factor in. So if we were to have adverse event reporting mandatory, and right now, the administration has no position on this, again, that would not solve the whole problem. We would still need to look very closely at the science, at our knowledge of what has been done pharmacologically, many other things. Senator Voinovich. You said that with the new ingredients, they have to submit it so that you can look at the product, or if that is mandatory, and if they do not do that, then, they can be prosecuted. Mr. Brackett. They are in violation, yes. Senator Voinovich. Subject to penalties, right. Would it not make a lot of sense to make it mandatory that they at least report these adverse events and provide a penalty that says if they do not do it, they are subject to the same kind of sanctions or worse or whatever that you have on not submitting a product for review prior to putting it on the market if it is new ingredients? Mr. Brackett. Well, that would be helpful, but again, that is not the whole story. And another difficult part of that is many of the dietary supplements today are a combination of many ingredients, unlike many of the pharmaceuticals. So quite often, when you have an adverse event reported, it may not necessarily be caused by the ingredient that you think it is. So it is complicated. Senator Voinovich. When ephedra came out on the market there were some incidents that were claimed to be as a result of taking ephedra that might have been due to something else. It seems to me that even if the event reports showed that the incidents were not caused by ephedra that you would investigate ephedra further. Mr. Brackett. Oh, absolutely. When we have adverse events reports, we do look into it. But again, standing on the pillars of the pharmacology, the evidence-based research, the scientific literature, all of that has to stand together. Senator Voinovich. Well, my common sense tells me that it would be good if we required them to do it. And I think it would probably be very helpful to you also. I suspect that some manufacturers who did have adverse event reports did not submit them to you. Additionally, I am concerned with people mixing over-the- counter medicine or prescription drugs with dietary supplements. As you know this is a growing industry and consumption is only going to increase. In 2006, 680,000 people in Ohio are going to start getting prescription drug coverage to improve their quality of life. Is there a concern within the FDA that the mixing of prescription drugs and dietary supplements could cause adverse effects? Mr. Brackett. Well, certainly, Mr. Chairman, that is a concern, and that is one of the recommendations we always make is that patients discuss their medications and any other foods as well as dietary supplements that they may be consuming. Senator Voinovich. I take coumadin, and in the disclosure that comes along with coumadin, they talk about vegetables that are strong in vitamin K, and if you consume high levels of vitamin K, it could make the drug less effective. It would seem to me that a dietary supplement, should carry the same type of information. Individuals ought to be informed that if they are taking a drug like coumadin, a blood thinner, that these kinds of interacting could dilute the product, and therefore, the drug they are taking may not be as effective as it should be. Do you think the dietary supplement should be required to put the same kind of warnings on their labels? Mr. Brackett. Well, I think that would be good for them to do if they knew what the interactions were. Quite often, the manufacturers of the drugs have a better understanding of what interactions have been studied in much more depth. Senator Voinovich. You have to wonder how much real thought is going into labeling dietary supplements. One reason for such huge growth in the dietary supplement industry is the ability to purchase them over the Internet. Many of these supplements have big claims on their Websites. Mr. Brackett. Well, I agree. And this goes back to my earlier statement. We simply have to know more about the ingredients we are taking, and that is why we do appreciate our colleagues at the University of Mississippi and at the National Institutes of Health actually doing research on both the properties of these ingredients and the beneficial aspects of the ingredients as well. But again, one of the issues that we have to deal with is finding out exactly what the ingredient is in the first place, and sometimes, that is the first challenge. Senator Voinovich. Senator Durbin. Senator Durbin. Dr. Brackett, when Dr. McClellan was Commissioner, he promised enforcement action against some of the ephedra substitutes. This product here, Stacker-2, which is advertised on television, this is now advertised as ephedra free, and if you will look at the operative ingredients, they include cola nut and citrus aurantium, which is also known as bitter orange. Now, Dr. McClellan said that he was going to take enforcement action against products containing bitter orange and usnic acid, which are now ephedra substitutes. Can you tell me what has been done so far in that enforcement action? Mr. Brackett. Sure, actually, what Dr. McClellan's intent was anything, any of those stimulant products that were to be used in place of ephedra were to get a much closer scrutiny to find out, in fact, if they were of danger, and that is something that we have been doing. We have been looking at ephedra substitutes; again, to characterize them, to find out specifically what is in the products that are on the market; in some cases, you may have parts of dietary supplement come in from one part of the plant versus another part of the plant, and they may have different amounts entirely of, in this case, citrus aurantium. So we are trying to get all of the scientific data that we need, and if it looks like there is something that is at risk, we will take action. Senator Durbin. This is an unusual assignment for the FDA, because when it comes to other products that you monitor, for instance, prescription drugs, is it not true that the burden is on the manufacturer of the drug to establish its safety and efficacy, and in the case of dietary supplements, we are talking about the FDA scrambling to find the personnel, the time and the resources to do the research on the product that is already on the market; is not that true? Mr. Brackett. That is true. This is a little bit different than pharmaceuticals. In this case, the law is almost ahead of the science. In the case of pharmaceuticals, they are specifically developed with a chemical structure that people know about. In this case, people are taking common ingredients for which we often do not understand what the active ingredient in it is. And so, it is taking some basic research to just define and characterize what the products we are dealing with are. Senator Durbin. We are trying to take a look back at DSHEA, and as you take a look back, is not this an extraordinary if not impossible burden for the FDA to handle, to try to look at each new ingredient and then try to do enough research to determine that even on the market, it is not dangerous? Mr. Brackett. Well, it is impossible for FDA to do. This is why we partner with NIH. There are specifically in DSHEA the Office of Dietary Supplements that was established to help with this in addition to our academic partners as well. So it is a large-scale effort. Senator Durbin. Do you have the specific responsibility within FDA for monitoring the dietary supplement industry? Mr. Brackett. We have the specific authority, yes, to oversee the dietary supplement industry. Senator Durbin. And as the director of the Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition, that is your responsibility. Mr. Brackett. That is correct. Senator Durbin. I mentioned the article in Oprah Magazine about specific problems, and you said you were familiar with it. Is this the kind of thing, having been brought to your attention, that would result in activity by the FDA to establish whether or not the assertions in here are true and that some products currently on the shelf are dangerous? Mr. Brackett. Yes, and in fact, this article was brought to my knowledge by my staff who, in fact, is actually checking into those assertions. Senator Durbin. And let me ask the same thing about the Consumer Reports story. This Consumer Reports story from May of this year lists some 12 different supplements, starting with some that they have identified by testing as definitely hazardous to likely hazardous. Have you undertaken in the FDA any kind of investigation or study of these dietary supplements which have been identified as dangerous? Mr. Brackett. Yes; in fact, much of the information in the Consumer Reports article was not new to us. We did know about that. We have, in fact, done some surveillance since that time to look for certain ingredients that were listed in there as well so---- Senator Durbin. Have any of these products been taken off the shelf, like ephedra? Mr. Brackett. Well, ephedra has been off, unless it is there illegally. Senator Durbin. Any other products on the Consumer Reports list? Mr. Brackett. We have listed or sent out warning letters, for instance, for aristolochic acid. In fact, that was one of the items for which we did surveillance and to this point have not found them in products marketed as dietary supplements. Senator Durbin. Let me just conclude, Mr. Chairman, by thanking you and also to say this: If the object of this law is to protect American consumers, I think it fails on its face. Take a look at the obvious here: 10 years after passing the law, we still have not established standards so we can even identify what is in these products. And I think, by the nod of the head, you agree with me. We do not know what is in them, to start with. We do not know if it is 4,000 IUs or 3,000 IUs. We have no idea whether there is lead contained in multivitamins or not. That is a starting point. The second thing we have not established is the responsibility of the industry. Ten years after the law is passed, we have not come up with a list of pre-1994 ingredients. And even if we did, you have conceded in your testimony it is of little value, because a combination of old ingredients could be dangerous, as dangerous as any new ingredient. And finally, we do not have any requirement that these companies selling products worth lots of money to them in profits even report to the Food and Drug Administration when people get seriously ill from having taken these products. So that is why I am kind of troubled by your conclusion. Having said these things, having heard these things, you have concluded by saying and therefore, we do not want to change the law. How can you possibly meet your responsibility to consumers to say to them if you buy a dietary supplement for yourself or somebody in your family, it is safe? How can you meet that responsibility with a law that is so weak? Mr. Brackett. Well, the safety and health of the consumers is our utmost concern. That is the thing that we most want to protect. What we are doing is trying to work, to maximize our activities under the current DSHEA before we would go out and sort of look for new authorities. There are many parts of DSHEA that we think have not been explored, that we can use to protect the public, and that is one of the things that we are going to do, which is why we do want to use DSHEA to its maximum, completely. Senator Durbin. Dr. Brackett, that approach is so timid that even the industry is ahead of you. We are going to have testimony later from someone from the dietary supplement industry. They have conceded that adverse event reporting is necessary. And yet, you are afraid to say those words. I think we are in trouble here. I think your watchdog responsibility includes being ahead of the problem and not behind it. If you are stuck with this 10-year-old law that is so deficient, you are never going to get ahead of it. Thanks for your testimony. Mr. Brackett. Thank you. Senator Voinovich. Thank you. I would like to make one point, and that is I would like to have, in writing from you, the chronology of going forward with this rule for these GMPs. I cannot believe that it has taken that long for it to happen. This law passed 10 years ago, and it is unacceptable. Mr. Brackett. We will be happy to provide that.\1\ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \1\ The information entitled ``Time Line of Activities To Establish Current Good Manufacturing Practice Regulations (CGMPs) for Dietary Supplements,'' submitted by Mr. Brackett appears in the Appendix on page 70. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Senator Voinovich. Unacceptable that it takes 10 years to get something done. I would like to have some assurance from you today this is going to get done at least by the end of this year. Mr. Brackett. We will do our very best to get it done as soon as possible. That is our goal. Senator Voinovich. Is the problem that you do not have enough people? Mr. Brackett. Well, the problem has been partly going through many of the comments that we have to address, as you know, in rulemaking. Senator Voinovich. I would like to know how many people you have working on this. I also would like to know what other responsibilities that you have? So often, we ask agencies to do work, and then, we do not provide them the resources necessary to get the job done. So often we pass the law and forget about the fact that it has to be enforced. I am really interested in knowing, in getting a candid appraisal from you whether or not you have the number of people you need to get the job done in your agency to implement these laws that we have passed over the years. Mr. Brackett. We will be happy to get that to you. INFORMATION PROVIDED FOR THE RECORD Approximately five full-time-equivalent employees (three people full-time, two people at 75 percent, one person at 50 percent) and approximately nine others as necessary, are working on preparing the final rule for publication with dietary supplement GMP's as their first priority. We are also soliciting input on development of the final rule from two external expert consultants and one GMP expert in FDA's Center for Drug Evaluation and Research (CDER). In addition, when the final rule has been drafted, there will be additional people involved in the review/clearance/publication process. Over 400 comment letters, approximately 1,600 pages, were received on the proposal, most of which raised substantive issues that need to be addressed in the preamble to the final rule. Accordingly, the bulk of the effort is in reviewing and responding to the comments. CFSAN, in conjunction with the Agency's field staff, regulates 80 percent of the nation's food supply and is responsible for protecting the public's health by ensuring that the nation's food supply, except for meat, poultry and certain egg products which are the responsibility of the Department of Agriculture, is safe and secure, and honestly labeled. CFSAN has similar responsibilities for cosmetic products. Attached is a May 4, 2004, transmittal letter to our Colleagues in the FDA Foods Community forwarding our projected workload for Fiscal Year 2004 in accordance with the Agency's Strategic Action Plan. You will note that the plan includes 168 ``A-list'' goals, of which we anticipate at least 90 percent completion this year.\1\ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \1\ The information entitled ``CFSAN 2004 Program Priorities,'' appears in the Appendix on page 72. Senator Voinovich. Any other comments, Senator? Senator Durbin. No. Senator Voinovich. Thanks very much. We really appreciate your coming here today. Mr. Brackett. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Senator Voinovich. Our next witnesses to testify are Alice M. Clark, Ph.D., Vice Chancellor for Research and Sponsored Programs, from the University of Mississippi; Ronald M. Davis, M.D., member of the Board of Trustees of the American Medical Association; Charles Bell, Program Director, Executive Office, Consumer Reports; Anthony L. Young, General Counsel, American Herbal Products Association; Bruce Silverglade, Director of Legal Affairs, Center for Science in the Public Interest; and Annette Dickinson, Ph.D., President, Council for Responsible Nutrition. This is a large second panel, so I would appreciate your adhering to the 5-minute rule. I appreciate you testifying today, and again remind you that your testimony will be made a part of the record along with your written statement. We will begin the testimony with Dr. Clark. TESTIMONY OF ALICE M. CLARK, PH.D.,\2\ VICE CHANCELLOR FOR RESEARCH AND SPONSORED PROGRAMS, THE UNIVERSITY OF MISSISSIPPI Ms. Clark. Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman, and Senator Durbin. My name is Alice Clark. I am Vice Chancellor for Research and Sponsored Programs at the University of Mississippi and a professor of pharmacognosy. I also served as a member of the Committee on the Framework for Evaluating the Safety of Dietary Supplements at the Institute of Medicine and National Research Council. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \2\ The prepared statement of Ms. Clark, with attachments, appears in the Appendix on page 75. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am here today to talk about our report, which is entitled ``Dietary Supplements: A Framework for Evaluating Safety,'' which was released in April of this year, and my comments today will focus on some key findings and recommendations of the report. In 1994, of course, Congress passed DSHEA in order to define FDA's authority to regulate dietary supplements. In the fall of 2000, the FDA approached the Institute of Medicine with a request to devise a science-based framework that it could use to evaluate dietary supplements under the authority of the current statutes. In short, DSHEA states that supplements are to supplement the diet and are therefore regulated like foods, meaning that they are assumed to be safe. Many of the products on the market are probably safe. However, to identify and take action on the occasional problem product, the FDA must rely on available evidence to evaluate whether an ingredient poses an unreasonable risk. According to DSHEA, the agency can act to protect the public's health when an ingredient poses a significant or unreasonable risk. In this report, we offer a science-based approach that allows the FDA to use available data to better identify supplements of concern and then evaluate the safety of those ingredients. This framework consists of three major steps: Signal detection, an initial review of that signal, and an in- depth evaluation of the ingredient. In the framework's first step, the FDA becomes aware of a signal, a notification or an event that raises concern about a particular ingredient. In the framework's second step, that signal is reviewed to determine if the ingredient should be investigated further. And in the framework's third step, the totality of available scientific data is evaluated to determine if the ingredient poses an unreasonable risk. This approach works within the parameters of the current law governing how dietary supplements are regulated. One of the key points of this report is that the FDA does not have to find direct evidence of actual harm from use of a supplement ingredient to determine that the product poses an unreasonable risk. Another key point of the report is that historical use of an ingredient is often insufficient to demonstrate that an ingredient does no harm. The report also describes the significance of other kinds of data the agency can use in its safety evaluation, such as data from animal studies, tests done in laboratories or toxicity of similar or related substances. Some of these types of data may be sufficient by themselves for the FDA to determine that a supplement ingredient poses an unreasonable risk. With the approach devised by the committee, it is possible for the FDA to conduct effective safety evaluations within the current regulatory framework. However, in the process of devising this approach and reviewing the science, the committee noted that constraints imposed by aspects of DSHEA limit the agency's ability to conduct these evaluations as effectively and efficiently as possible. We have recommended some changes that could mitigate these constraints and make the law more effective in meeting the goal of protecting public health. I will mention just a few of those key recommendations now: For example, we recommend that supplement manufacturers and distributors be required to notify FDA about health problems that they discover related to the use of their products, and recognizing that other parties also bear responsibility for ensuring that health problems related to supplement use are brought to the FDA's attention, we recommend that health professionals be educated about ways to report health concerns and encouraged to use them. We also recommend that the toll-free number for FDA's Medwatch be printed on all supplements' packaging so that consumers have a clear way to relay any health concerns. And finally, while the committee did not do a cost analysis of implementing the framework, we recognize that implementing any framework will require additional resources. Therefore, we recommend that FDA be provided adequate resources to implement the framework and more effectively protect the public's health. Thank you for the opportunity to address you on this important topic, and I would be pleased to answer questions. Senator Voinovich. Thank you. Dr. Davis. TESTIMONY OF RONALD M. DAVIS, M.D.,\1\ MEMBER, BOARD OF TRUSTEES, AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION (AMA) Dr. Davis. Chairman Voinovich, Ranking Member Durbin, good afternoon. My name is Ron Davis. I am a preventive medicine physician from Detroit and a Member of the Board of Trustees of the American Medical Association. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \1\ The prepared statement of Dr. Davis appears in the Appendix on page 85. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- On behalf of the AMA, I am pleased to be here to discuss the dangers of dietary supplements and whether DSHEA is working. The AMA has been concerned for years about the use and abuse of dietary supplements. These include herbal products and those containing anabolic steroid-like ingredients and their precursors. Precursors are substances that the body can convert into testosterone or other anabolic steroids. DSHEA does not provide FDA with enough authority over dietary supplements to adequately protect consumers. What are the problems with DSHEA? First, DSHEA treats a wide variety of so-called natural substances as foods, but the fact of the matter is that herbal remedies, anabolic steroids or their precursors are not foods, and neither are megadose vitamins. These supplements are biologically active compounds that act like drugs. They also have risks and side effects that can be serious and, unfortunately, sometimes fatal. Therefore, many dietary supplements are really drugs. Second, because existing law treats these products as foods, people think they are safe. In fact, surveys show that most consumers believe that these products have been approved by the government. But such protections do not exist for dietary supplements. Prescription and over-the-counter medications must be proved safe and effective and receive FDA approval before being sold. There is no such approval for dietary supplements. For the most part, supplement manufacturers do not have to provide premarket data to FDA: No safety data, no efficacy data, no quality data. They do not have to include warnings, precautions or side effects on their product labels, even for products with known serious hazards. So consumers are not told that many supplements can counteract their prescription medications or cause adverse reactions. Manufacturers also do not have to provide adverse event reports to the FDA. The bottom line? Consumers cannot be sure that dietary supplements work, are safe and that the bottle actually contains what the label says it does. Third, under DSHEA, the burden is on the FDA, not the manufacturer, to prove that a dietary supplement is unsafe or adulterated. This is very difficult. Ephedra is probably the best example of how hard it is to regulate unsafe dietary supplements. Ephedra causes a number of well-documented adverse reactions, including heart attacks, strokes, seizures, and death. For several years, the AMA asked FDA to ban ephedra products from the U.S. market. Yet even for a substance as dangerous as ephedra, it took FDA 7 years to ban the product. Although ephedra has been banned, we are concerned about other dietary supplements containing so-called natural stimulants that still are being sold. These products, labeled ephedra- free, often contain bitter orange, as you mentioned, Senator Durbin. Bitter orange contains ephedra-like substances and may be associated with high blood pressure, irregular heartbeat, heart attack, and stroke. My written statement provides additional examples of the dangers of other supplements. The AMA has supported changing DSHEA for the past 6 years. Many dietary supplements, especially herbal products, need to be regulated like drugs. We urge Congress to make four changes in the law: (1) Require premarket approval by FDA of all dietary supplements for evidence of safety and efficacy. As with drugs, manufacturers should have the burden of proving their products are safe and beneficial. (2) Require dietary supplements to meet U.S. Pharmacopeia standards for identity, strength, quality, purity, packaging and labeling. (3) Require manufacturers to monitor their products for safety and to submit adverse event reports to FDA. And (4) reclassify dietary supplements that contain anabolic steroids or their precursors as drugs, subject to the Controlled Substances Act. The AMA supports pending legislation such as S. 1722, sponsored by you, Senator Durbin. We were pleased that last week, the House of Representatives passed, by an overwhelming margin, H.R. 3866. We encourage the Senate to pass its companion bill, S. 2195. These bills would make some of the changes that we have recommended. We appreciate the opportunity to present our views. Senator Voinovich. Thank you, Doctor. Mr. Bell. TESTIMONY OF CHARLES W.F. BELL,\1\ PROGRAM DIRECTOR, CONSUMERS UNION OF U.S., INC Mr. Bell. Good afternoon, Chairman Voinovich, Ranking Member Durbin and other Members of the Subcommittee. I am Charles Bell, Programs Director for Consumer's Union, the nonprofit publisher of Consumer Reports and consumerreports.org. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \1\ The prepared statement of Mr. Bell appears in the Appendix on page 92. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Since 1936, our mission has been to test products, inform the public and protect consumers, and today, I offer this testimony on dietary supplements as part of our consumer protection function. The Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 has opened the floodgates to thousands of untested dietary supplement products. While many dietary supplements including most vitamins and minerals taken within recommended limits are generally safe and can have important health benefits for consumers, there is a significant and growing number of highly questionable products that would probably not be allowed on the market if they were subject to premarket safety testing. As has been noted, under DSHEA, the burden of proof for removing unsafe products has been inappropriately shifted from manufacturers to the government. As former FDA Director David Kessler has stated, Congress put the FDA in the position of being able to act only after the fact and after substantial harm has already occurred. In the aftermath of DSHEA, new dietary supplement products can be introduced overnight, as can novel combinations of new or existing supplement ingredients. Further, unsafe dietary supplement products can remain on the market for many years, in the same stream of commerce as products approved by the FDA as safe and effective for their intended use. As an example, in 1995, Consumer Reports published this list of five supplements that, according to FDA, could cause serious harm to consumers: Ephedra, chaparral, comfrey, lobelia and yohimbe, and 9 years later, ephedra is the only one of these supplements that has finally been removed from the marketplace, many years after the FDA received reports of serious consumer health problems, including deaths and disabling injuries. But the other four hazardous supplements that we named in 1995 are all still being marketed and sold in retail stores and on the Internet. In May 2004, Consumer Reports published a major article called ``Dangerous Supplements Still at Large'' with a new, more comprehensive list but not necessarily exhaustive list, but this includes 12 hazardous dietary supplements including the four herbs earlier named that we believe are too dangerous to be on the market based on government warnings, adverse event reports and medical experts. These dirty dozen unsafe supplements, which we purchased in stores and online in February, include aristolochia, an herb conclusively linked to kidney failure and cancer; yohimbe, a sexual stimulant linked to heart and respiratory problems; chaparral, comfrey, germander and kava, all known or likely causes of liver failure; and bitter orange, its ingredients having effects similar to the banned weight loss supplement ephedra. The potentially dangerous effects of most of these products have been known for more than a decade, and at least five of them have been banned in Asia, Europe, and/or Canada. Now, we believe that consumers want additional protections to ensure that supplements are safe. Last month, Consumer's Union conducted an online survey of a random sample of over 1,200 adults regarding dietary supplements as part of a regular national consumer survey that we perform. The survey found that more than eight in ten respondents agreed that poor regulation of supplements posed a personal risk to themselves and their families. More than nine in ten want the sale of supplements to be conditioned on safety and efficacy. Virtually everyone, 96 percent, agreed that supplement producers should be required to report adverse events, as is required for prescription drugs. Similarly, 96 percent want product risk information to be included on dietary supplement labels, and fewer than one in five respondents feel that supplements are already sufficiently regulated. The current serious gaps in consumer protection in DSHEA are not in the interests of dietary supplement consumers. Consumers turn to dietary supplements because they think these products will promote health and wellness. So it is very important to ensure that these products are safe and do not themselves pose serious health problems. We are pleased that the FDA finally did take action to remove ephedra from the marketplace in January 2004, finally coming off in April, but we are very concerned that the action came too late for many consumers, who experienced unacceptable health damage, including stroke, seizures, heart attacks, and deaths. And despite numerous warning signals, the agency failed to take action in a timely way to remove that product from the marketplace. Ephedra is a poster child for a failed policy. We need to understand why the signals of an urgent public health problem failed to trigger prompt action by the Federal Government. Many consumers are surprised to learn that the government does not evaluate the safety of dietary supplements before they are sold. Joseph Levitt, who was the Director of FDA's Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition, has testified that the current regulation of dietary supplements is, for the most part, a postmarketing program, but we cannot even run the postmarketing aspect of that program effectively without the authority to require mandatory reporting of adverse events, and we find this to be one of the most disturbing aspects of the entire ephedra debacle. The fact is that voluntary reporting of adverse events by manufacturers has failed. From 1994 to 1999, fewer than 10 of the 2,500 reports that the FDA received about serious consumer health complaints actually came from manufacturers, and we are very concerned that evidence has emerged that at least two manufacturers suppressed thousands of adverse event complaints relating to supplements containing ephedra: Metabolife and E'ola, as detailed in my written testimony. We wonder as we sit here today what else manufacturers may have known about the dangers of ephedra and other supplements, including those on our dietary dirty dozen list. Unless Congress acts now to tighten requirements from adverse event reporting by manufacturers, FDA will continue to lack vital information that is needed to ensure the safety of dietary supplements. So we would recommend that Congress make appropriate modifications to DSHEA to create a sensible preventive safety system that ensures that supplement products are reviewed for safety prior to marketing and sale. The safety system should also include effective postmarketing surveillance so the government can take prompt safety actions as needed, including recalls, warnings and import alerts. Labels of dietary supplements should clearly indicate what and how much is in the package and provide explicit warning of possible adverse effects, including herb-drug interactions. We strongly support the provisions in the Durbin bill, the Dietary Supplement Safety Act of 2003, S. 722, that would enable the FDA to take unsafe products off the market more quickly. We also strongly believe that dietary supplement makers should be required to report adverse events to the FDA. And in particular, on this point, I would note there is broad consensus among many parties that adverse event reporting is critical to ensuring supplement safety. As the Institute of Medicine in April urged Congress to amend DSHEA to require mandatory reporting; the AMA supports this position; the Inspector General of the Department of Health and Human Services has called for it. Even Secretary of Health and Human Services Tommy Thompson stated in his press conference in December it would be nice to have the authority to require mandatory adverse event reporting. And so, we think that is a critical step for us to take to learn from the experience with ephedra. Thank you, and I look forward to the opportunity to respond to questions. Senator Voinovich. Thank you very much. Mr. Young. TESTIMONY OF ANTHONY L. YOUNG,\1\ GENERAL COUNSEL, AMERICAN HERBAL PRODUCTS ASSOCIATION Mr. Young. Chairman Voinovich and Ranking Member Durbin, my name is Anthony Young. I am General Counsel to the American Herbal Products Association or AHPA. I appear here because AHPA's president, Michael McGuffin, who was here 2 years ago, had a preexisting commitment with the FDA's Food Advisory Committee. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \1\ The prepared statement of Mr. Young appears in the Appendix on page 105. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- AHPA's prepared testimony addresses in some detail the issues you have raised with respect to the purpose of this hearing. With respect to FDA and DSHEA, AHPA is pleased with FDA's recent dietary supplement regulatory activities. Under the leadership of Dr. Mark McClellan, FDA began seriously to enforce DSHEA, and these efforts are detailed in enforcement reports found on FDA's Website and in Dr. Brackett's testimony today. In addition, FDA has now come to closure on how to regulate ephedrine alkaloid-containing dietary supplements and androstenedione, and they have done so. All of these enforcement activities were supported by the supplement industry's effort to assure that the funds necessary for dietary supplement enforcement were earmarked in FDA's budget, and that was a unified position of the supplement industry that those funds were needed. In addition to enforcement, FDA proposed last year current GMPs for dietary supplements. AHPA was one of the industry trade associations that presented FDA with an industry draft for GMPs in late 1995. While a long time coming and controversial in part, AHPA looks forward as you do to FDA making Dr. McClellan's 2004 year end deadline for the promulgation of GMP regulations a reality. It is AHPA's view that DSHEA can be strengthened in one important aspect, and that is with a requirement for serious adverse event reporting for dietary supplements. AHPA's Board of Trustees reached this conclusion in October 2002, and AHPA petitioned FDA the next year for serious AER reporting regulations. Both Commissioner McClellan and Deputy Commissioner Crawford had said FDA does not have the authority to do this. Accordingly, the time has come for Congress to provide that authority. Any serious adverse event reporting for dietary supplements should have the same protections for privacy of subjects and reporters and nonadmission of causation that FDA and the law accords to drugs, medical devices and biologics. In addition, FDA needs to fairly report and correct AER information that is demonstrably wrong. All of these protections are detailed in our written statement. As you both noted earlier, DSHEA treats new dietary ingredients differently than old ingredients. This is the same approach followed by Congress when it passed the new drug approval provisions of the law in 1938, the food additive provisions in 1958 and the medical device amendments in 1976. Dietary supplements with old ingredients, like old drugs, old food ingredients and old medical devices are to be proceeded against under the law's adulteration and misbranding provisions, and these are the tools used by FDA to regulate ephedrine alkaloid-containing dietary supplements. For new dietary ingredients, DSHEA makes FDA the gatekeeper. Only about 45 percent of the new dietary ingredients submitted to FDA go onto the market. The gate is narrow. The requirements for safety substantiation imposed by the FDA are substantial, and the FDA applies the law to those companies that make the required premarket notification. But it is clear that FDA needs to monitor the dietary supplement market to enforce this valuable provision with respect to those obviously new dietary ingredients that have not passed through FDA's gate. To do otherwise is unfair and disrespectful of the law. Not enforcing DSHEA's new dietary ingredient provision rewards lawbreakers at the expense of those who observe the law, and this is one of DSHEA's most important provisions. Let me close by saying that AHPA is committed to providing benefits to American consumers through our members' products. Thank you for the opportunity to appear before you here today. Senator Voinovich. Thank you, Mr. Young. Mr. Silverglade. TESTIMONY OF BRUCE SILVERGLADE,\1\ DIRECTOR OF LEGAL AFFAIRS, CENTER FOR SCIENCE IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST Mr. Silverglade. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman and Senator Durbin. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \1\ The prepared statement of Mr. Silverglade appears in the Appendix on page 115. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am Bruce Silverglade, Director of Legal Affairs from the Center for Science in the Public Interest. It is certainly appropriate to review the impact of DSHEA on consumers and discuss the need for reforms such as those included in S. 722. We support this legislation, and we urge that Congress enact it this year. As I will explain in a moment, however, Congress needs to extend additional protections to consumers that are not included in this legislation. Dietary supplements can play an important role in maintaining good health and can sometimes provide a valuable adjunct to traditional medical treatment. We certainly recognize that. Unfortunately, the safety and effectiveness of all dietary supplements has not been established, and there are many products which are hazardous or no more than 21st Century snake oil. The problem stems from the passage of the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994, and as it has been said, history repeats itself, so it might be useful to look just for a moment at the history of this law. This is a blowup of the lobbying materials used by the industry in 1993 that urged consumers at health food stores to, ``write Congress today or kiss your vitamins goodbye.'' These kinds of scare tactics were used by the industry to get consumers to write Congress to persuade this body to enact the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994. And the reason I bring it up is because the same tactics are being used today to oppose S. 722. Here, we have another poster: It asks, ``Could these products be banned: vitamin C, multivitamins, calcium?'' This is a current poster at health food stores. And as the Senate offices on this Subcommittee and throughout this body receive mail from consumers, I want you to know that the mail is being generated by phony scare campaigns being generated not necessarily by these trade associations testifying here today but by many other segments of the dietary supplement industry. Now, the problems with DSHEA in the area of safety are rooted in that that Act changed the assumptions we make about the safety of products that FDA regulates. The Act changed the prevailing approach that the FDA takes. Food manufacturers do not have to demonstrate their products are safe before they are sold, so if you are selling lettuce, you can just sell it without FDA approval. But the manufacturers of food additives, drugs and medical devices must prove that their products are safe before they can be sold. Well, what are dietary supplements more like? Drugs and medical devices or lettuce? I think the answer is obvious. But the problem with the law is that DSHEA regulates these products like this kind of product--lettuce. Although the FDA still has the authority to take dangerous dietary supplements off store shelves, it must first prove that the product pose a significant or unreasonable risk. Well, that is difficult to do if there is no requirement that adverse event reports be submitted to the agency. Such information is essential to ascertaining whether a product poses a significant or unreasonable risk, especially in the absence of a premarket approval system. Thus, as a practical matter, the FDA has not been able to effectively utilize the authority granted to it by DSHEA. Consequently, the agency has been forced to rely on woefully inadequate remedies, such as issuing press releases, public warnings, medical alerts, voluntary recall requests, and so forth. Here is one such effort from 1993. This came from a report FDA issued called Unsubstantiated Claims and Documented Health Hazards in the Dietary Supplement Marketplace. It is out of print (it was issued in 1993), but it is available on the FDA Website as of today. It lists Yohimbe, for example, as a product that has, in the agency's own words, ``health hazards,'' many different types of health hazards. The supplement bottle I just held up before was yohimbe. We bought it today at a health food store. So more than 10 years later, after FDA is issuing press releases and alerts and warnings, this product is still available. Clearly, a more effective regulatory approach must be found if consumers are to be protected. Now, we all know that FDA banned ephedra, but as the Washington Post stated, DSHEA is truly a ``terrible law.'' The New York Times called the ephedra ban ``not enough'' and urged Congress to, ``revise the ill-conceived 1994 legislation.'' S. 722 would help address some of these problems by requiring that manufacturers report serious adverse reactions to the agency. The legislation would also require agency approval of stimulants, one category of dietary supplements that pose some of the most severe hazards. These are useful steps, and we support the legislation. But we urge Congress to go further. Safety standards for dietary supplements that are used by children, pregnant women, the elderly, and other vulnerable groups determined by the FDA to be at particular risk should be raised higher than is now provided for in the law, and manufacturers should be required to submit evidence of safety before such products are sold. These steps, together with the provisions already incorporated in S. 722, would go a long way to ensuring that supplements in the United States are safe. Thank you. Senator Voinovich. Thank you. Dr. Dickinson. TESTIMONY OF ANNETTE DICKINSON, PH.D.,\1\ PRESIDENT, COUNCIL FOR RESPONSIBLE NUTRITION Ms. Dickinson. Senator Durbin, Senator Voinovich, thank you for giving us the opportunity to testify here today. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- \1\ The prepared statement of Ms. Dickinson, with attachments, appears in the Appendix on page 123. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Council for Responsible Nutrition is a trade association of dietary supplement manufacturers, and I am the president of CRN. Our members include manufacturers and marketers of national brands as well as store brands of dietary supplements available to consumers through the mass market, through natural product stores, direct sales and mail order. Our members include not only the manufacturers of finished products but also the suppliers of the bulk ingredients such as vitamins, minerals and botanicals that are contained in these ingredients. DSHEA was passed 10 years ago for two reasons: One was to ensure that consumers would continue to be able to choose safe and beneficial dietary supplements of a wide variety of products. The second was to increase the information available to consumers about the purposes and uses of those dietary supplements. The past 10 years have demonstrated that these purposes are being fulfilled, as are other goals established by the law, which I would like to address briefly. I think it is important to recognize that dietary supplements have always been considered as a subcategory of foods. This official categorization was not, as some of our witnesses would have you believe, created by DSHEA. In fact, it precedes DSHEA by about 56 years. The Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act of 1938 included dietary supplements within a category of foods called foods for special dietary use. In 1941, FDA established definitions for this category of products, and in 1976, that definition was added to the Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act in Section 411, the vitamin and mineral amendments. That definition is extremely broad, covering vitamins and minerals but also all ``other ingredients intended for use in supplementing the diet.'' DSHEA reconfirmed that dietary supplements were to continue to be regulated as foods and established a specific definition to clarify the categories of ingredients that were to be permitted in those dietary supplements. As has already been noted, it grandfathered ingredients that were already on the market at the time the act was passed, just as was done with food ingredients when the food additive amendments were passed and just as was done with old drugs when the drug amendments were passed. DSHEA grandfathered those ingredients in the same way that this was done in other food categories. At the same time, DSHEA established a premarket notification requirement for new ingredients much in the same way that new GRAS substances (substances generally recognized as safe) put on the market today for use in foods are evaluated by their manufacturers for safety before they are put on the market. There is no requirement for FDA evaluation of new GRAS ingredients. FDA has been seriously reviewing and evaluating these 75- day notices that have been submitted for these new ingredients, and this is one of the many ways in which FDA under the recent Commissioner, Dr. Mark McClellan and the current acting Commissioner, Dr. Lester Crawford, have been vigorously implementing the act. As you all know, FDA issued a final regulation this year that banned ephedra in dietary supplements as of April 12, 2004. That rule is currently undergoing judicial review and has survived the first phase, in which the court denied a preliminary injunction. This is generally viewed as an indication that the rule is likely to survive the entire review process. It is sometimes said that FDA took 10 years to take definitive action against ephedra, but this is not, in fact, an accurate description of the process. From the time former Commissioner McClellan took office and decided to resolve this ongoing issue, which has been a serious problem for everybody involved, for industry, for consumers and for FDA, from the time Commissioner McClellan took office, it took the agency less than 2 years, which, as you well know, is lightning speed in terms of the regulatory process, to issue a final ban on ephedra. The earlier delays that occurred in FDA enforcement were not due to inadequate authority but were due to false starts, wrong turns and a frank unwillingness to actually use the new provisions of DSHEA that were provided and that were ultimately used as Congress intended. Another issue that has been troubling to the industry is the issue of andro. CRN and other industry trade associations are supporting Congressional legislation that will place andro on a long list of similar ingredients that are to be placed under the Controlled Substances Act, which effectively removes them from the dietary supplement category. That legislation passed the House on June 3 and is expected to pass the Senate during this session. FDA has also taken separate action against andro, as was mentioned here today, sending warning letters to a number of manufacturers arguing that andro is an unsafe ingredient and is, moreover, a new dietary ingredient for which a 75-day notification has not been submitted. Between the Congressional and FDA action, andro should be off the table as an issue of concern by the time the next Congress convenes. There has been much talk about adverse event reporting. If there were to be an adverse event reporting requirement, it would be important for it to at least contain protections for reporting companies and for individuals that are included in regulations applicable to other FDA-regulated categories, including prescription drugs. The legislative proposals currently on the table tend to actually exceed the requirements that currently exist for pharmaceuticals and thus are not provisions we can support. We support the need for more resources for FDA to implement the law and are in support of the Hatch-Harkin bill, which would provide FDA with very substantial new resources. We also support---- Senator Voinovich. Ms. Dickinson, your time is up. Ms. Dickinson. Yes, I am concluding. We also supported the provisions in DSHEA which created the Office of Dietary Supplements, which the Congress has very appropriately given significant resources. With all of these changes, Senators, we hope that when you come back in January 2005 to the next session of Congress, we will be able to return to hearing rooms such as this one and discuss the role of dietary supplements in improving the health of the population and ultimately in reducing health care costs. Senator Voinovich. Thank you very much. According to a recent poll, most Americans believe that dietary supplements are safe and are approved by the FDA before they can be made available to the public. Should this, in fact, be the case, and do you believe that the FDA's authority to regulate dietary supplements is sufficient to protect the health of the American public? I have heard from all of you that adverse event reports should be made mandatory. What else beyond that? Dr. Dickinson. Ms. Dickinson. I would say the primary thing that is needed is exactly what FDA has been doing in the past couple of years, which is to actively enforce and implement the law. I think that it is not possible to say that the law has not worked until FDA has actually seriously attempted to implement it, which they are now doing. And I think they need a little bit more time to demonstrate the effectiveness of that approach, as has been demonstrated in the case of ephedra. Senator Voinovich. I would like to ask the panel the same question I asked Dr. Brackett from the FDA. Is it your observation that the FDA has the resources needed to enforce DSHEA. Dr. Davis. Dr. Davis. Well, our position would be that the FDA does need more resources to address this issue. I think the fact that it took the agency so long to get the ephedra-containing products off the market and the fact that it has taken so long to finalize promulgation of standards for good manufacturing practices are pieces of evidence that the agency is not able to act as promptly and effectively as it could. Senator Voinovich. So even if we did require mandatory adverse event reporting, we have to make sure that they have the people necessary to follow up on the reports, correct? Dr. Davis. That is correct. And sometimes, the agency can work on a problem with in-house staff, and sometimes, it would need to contract out and get some expert assistance from the outside, like in the case of the ephedra study, where they brought in the RAND Corporation. Senator Voinovich. Mr. Silverglade. Mr. Silverglade. Yes, thanks very much, Mr. Chairman. It is our position that, of course, while all government agencies could use more resources, we do not like throwing good money after a bad law. And the way DSHEA is set up, and I think the witnesses attested to this, and Senator Durbin's questions to the witnesses illustrated this, is that the burden is on FDA, for example, to investigate each of these market notifications for these new products to determine if the product is safe. That expense should be borne by the manufacturer and then turned over to the FDA for a quick review by the agency. The whole burden should not be on the FDA. It is extremely costly, and the agency did say about 2 years ago that it would require $90 million over 5 years, I believe, from Congress to fully implement DSHEA. Last year, Congress gave the FDA an additional $1.5 million. That is not anywhere close to the $90 million the agency says it needs to implement DSHEA. So what should really happen is the law should be changed so that the expense of investigating the safety of these products is put on the manufacturers who profit from their sale. Senator Voinovich. You suggest that before the products be put on the market, the manufacturer has to do the same thing that one has to do with a prescription drug and prove that it is not harmful to the public? Mr. Silverglade. No, we do not favor an across the board requirement of that sort. Ordinary vitamins and minerals are generally recognized as safe and do not need to undergo an FDA review. On the other hand, a product like this, yohimbe, which is from tree bark, and is known by FDA to be hazardous, this should not be on the market until manufacturers can demonstrate to the agency that it is safe. The agency itself has said since 1993 that it is unsafe. Senator Voinovich. How do they know that it is unsafe. How does the FDA find out about unsafe products if manufacturers do not have to submit it to the FDA before they can put it on the market? Mr. Silverglade. Well, on this kind of product, which is an herb, not an ordinary vitamin or mineral, the manufacturers, the distributors, the sellers of this product should have to go to the FDA first to get approval before selling it. Senator Voinovich. So it is more specific? Mr. Silverglade. Right; dietary supplements fall into three major categories: There are ordinary vitamins and minerals, which are presumed safe for the most part. There are just one or two exceptions. Herbal products comprise a second category, and then we have a miscellaneous group of products, a third category. These products could be anything from shark cartilage to cow organs, bull testicles; believe it or not, it is all out for sale on the market. Ordinary vitamins and minerals do not now have to be reviewed by FDA, but products in these other two categories probably should be reviewed by the agency, as the American Medical Association has suggested, before they are sold to ensure that they are safe. Senator Voinovich. You are saying all of them should be or just some of them? Mr. Silverglade. Just certain categories that are known by the medical community to be more likely to pose health hazards. Senator Voinovich. Are you at all concerned about the outrageous claims that you see on the packaging and advertising of some of these products that lead you to believe that they are going to do this and that? Dr. Davis. Could I comment on that, Mr. Chairman? Senator Voinovich. Yes, Doctor. Dr. Davis. You are referring to structure and function claims, and I think that is an example of how DSHEA is not working. And I just found five products on the market today that are making some rather unbelievable claims, and just to read a few of those: Provides dietary support for a healthy nervous system. Provides dietary support for normal, healthy, cerebral blood vessel tone. Promotes healthy immune system by supporting T and B cell function, protecting against cellular damage and introducing beneficial enzymes. Optimal support for allergies and sinuses. Helps cleanse the liver from impurities in the diet and environment. And then, the last one is, may help manage hot flashes and night sweats associated with menopause. Now, these are structure and function claims. The manufacturers are required under DSHEA to be able to substantiate the truthfulness of those claims, but they are not required to provide data to the FDA to prove that. They are required to put a disclaimer on the product that says this statement has not been evaluated by the FDA. This product is not intended to treat, cure or prevent disease. So on the one hand, you have these claims that I just read for you, and then, right underneath, there is the claim that this is not a claim. It is not a health claim; it is a structure and function claim. And can the ordinary consumer distinguish between ``a structure and function claim and a health claim?'' As I read this as a physician and putting myself in my patients' shoes, those claims that I read sound awfully like health claims, which should put them under the authority of the FDA, and the manufacturers should be required to prove that those claims are correct at their own expense. Senator Voinovich. My time is up. And I will give you a chance on my next round to--I am sorry. Senator Durbin. Senator Durbin. Please let her go ahead. Senator Voinovich. Go ahead, Dr. Dickinson. Ms. Dickinson. In response to your question about the claims, it is our belief that false and misleading claims are not only a disservice to the consumer but are actually an unfair trade practice. We worked with the Federal Trade Commission and the FDA to get action taken on coral calcium products a year ago, which were claiming to prevent and treat at least 400 different diseases. These claims simply should not be allowed on the marketplace. And I think part of the answer to your previous question as well is that industry should be cooperating with FDA, responsible industry should be cooperating with FDA and FTC to see that these issues are taken care of, and that is one of the ways that the resources of FDA can be stretched and made more effective. Senator Voinovich. I will let Senator Durbin take over. Senator Durbin. Mr. Young, I want to make sure I understand what your association has decided. You agree, then, that there should be adverse event reporting of all dietary supplement products. Mr. Young. Reporting of serious adverse events for all dietary supplement products, that is correct. Senator Durbin. Whether they are characterized as pre-1994 products or post-1994 products. Mr. Young. That is correct. Senator Durbin. Regardless of combinations, whether they are old or new. Mr. Young. All dietary supplements, all serious adverse events associated with them. Senator Durbin. And I assume from what you have added in your testimony here that you are asking for the same basic protection when it comes to privacy and legal admissions as currently exist on AERs for pharmaceuticals, for example. Mr. Young. That is correct, Senator. Senator Durbin. What is your position on premarket testing of your products, particularly of stimulants? Mr. Young. I think that our view is that stimulants can be regulated under the current law, and I think we have provided that information to your staff, but we think they can be regulated under current law. FDA has the authority to look into these various ingredients. Some of the stimulants mentioned in the Consumer Reports article have been known about for years. Our trade association has had positions with respect to the labeling of the yohimbe for a long time. It is set out in the Botanical Safety Handbook. And if these matters rise to a level of concern, FDA has the tools, we believe, to take the action they feel is necessary, whether it is to ban an ingredient, as they did with ephedrine alkaloid-containing supplements or whether it is to require labeling, which is another option FDA has. Senator Durbin. Many years ago, when we were having trouble with approval of medical devices, the FDA did not have the resources to approve devices, the industry decided to agree to pay a user fee to the FDA to provide them with the resources and staff necessary so that these approvals could take place. Is your association prepared to pay a user fee to the FDA to make certain there is adequate review and testing of your products before they are marketed? Mr. Young. I would assume that you are talking about new dietary ingredients, and let me clarify something that Mr. Silverglade said. Senator Durbin. No, I am talking about all. Mr. Young. All ingredients? No, because I think at that point, with respect to the older ingredients, we believe that they can be assessed under the law; that there is information available on old ingredients, and that FDA has the tools necessary to evaluate that. Senator Durbin. Mr. Young, I suspect that we are both doctors of the law. I know I am not a medical doctor; perhaps you happen to have that in your resume. But you heard Dr. Brackett say earlier that even new combinations of old ingredients could be dangerous. So how can you draw this distinction, as the law does, and say that we are going to make this apply only to new ingredients? Mr. Young. Well, it is a distinction that the law does make, and I think if we can effectively deal with new ingredients under the new dietary ingredient provision, which is a provision where the manufacturer submits the information, by the way, and FDA only evaluates what is submitted, FDA does not go out and do independent research on new ingredients. The manufacturer must present the data for review, and that data must pass muster or not. But with respect to old ingredients, there is information out there. It is readily available. The Botanical Safety Handbook where we talk about the safety, the cautions, etc., associated with various herbs was not written in a vacuum. There is a lot of information available to FDA and to others to evaluate the safety of these materials. Senator Durbin. So, Dr. Davis, if we are talking about old ingredients in the Botanical Handbook, and we are dealing with products that present these ingredients in new concentrations and new combinations, do you accept the premise that they are still benign? Dr. Davis. No, I do not. I think we may discover that there are harms that we did not know about before. There may be new interactions between an old dietary supplement and a new prescription medication that has just come on the market. There may be combinations, as you have pointed out, with an old dietary supplement and a newer one or new combinations. We talked during the ephedra hearings about ephedra being combined with caffeine, for example. So I would not accept that premise. Senator Durbin. Let me ask Dr. Dickinson a question, if I might, and I am going to go to your testimony here, because I think you were rather explicit when it came to the issue of ephedra, in which I can find it quickly here. I apologize. I had it underlined. You said delays were due to false starts, wrong turns, and an unwillingness to actually use the provisions of DSHEA as Congress intended when it came to the banning of ephedra, and you credited Commissioner McClellan with having taken control of the agency and, in less than 2 years, as you say, lightning speed in terms of the regulatory process, responded to this issue. Did you include in your false turns the statement by the largest manufacturer and retailer of ephedra, Metabolife, to the FDA in 1999 that, ``Metabolife has never been made aware of any adverse health events by consumers of its products. Metabolife has never received a notice from a consumer that any serious adverse health event has occurred because of ingestion of Metabolife 356?'' A statement by Metabolife in 1999, and then, after lawsuits were filed by the Department of Justice and individuals, here is what came out: Metabolife had deliberately misrepresented this fact to the FDA. Metabolife had 16,500 adverse event reports for Metabolife 356, including almost 2,000 significant cardiac, neurological and psychiatric reports. So when you are saying the problem was false starts at the agency, and Dr. McClellan finally straightened it out, what kind of responsibility do you accept as an industry for this kind of concealment and obfuscation of adverse event reports by Metabolife? Ms. Dickinson. I think this kind of concealment and obfuscation is just as outrageous as you think it is. But this is one company's activities. Senator Durbin. The largest company. Ms. Dickinson. A large company that is not, in my view, characteristic of the industry as a whole. When I spoke of false starts, I refer to the fact that FDA, after having first started begun to receive reports of adverse events on ephedra in 1993, held two advisory committee meetings, one in 1995, one in 1996, at which they failed to come to a unanimous conclusion about how to act; produced a rule in 1997 which overtly attempted to use the adverse event reports for purposes that FDA has always recognized and still recognizes they cannot be used for. The Government Accounting Office found that rule to be inadequately supported in terms of the specific actions FDA took. Following that event, FDA then did not take further action until McClellan's action in 2003. So there is a period of time there where FDA started off in one direction, was found not to be on good ground in going in that direction, and it really took Commissioner McClellan to put them in another direction. Senator Durbin. That was during the same time that the largest retailer of ephedra products in America was deliberately lying to the Government about adverse events. Ms. Dickinson. I understand that, I understand that, and I think it is outrageous. Senator Durbin. And that outrage also made it more complicated, did it not, for FDA to evaluate the danger of the product. Ms. Dickinson. I do not think it did, and let me explain why I do not think it did. As outrageous as that event was, I think the reality is that FDA knew everything they ever learned about the pattern of events associated with ephedra within the first couple of years that they were receiving adverse events. I think that from a scientific and public health point of view, it is a fact that one does not have to know about every event that occurred in order to understand what pattern is occurring. There were millions of people using ephedra, and FDA had a very extensive sample of the events that were occurring. I think from a scientific and public health point of view, they knew exactly what was happening, even if they did not know the actual number. And I think that is the same information that FDA eventually used in finalizing the rule. Senator Durbin. I think the fact that it took so long, and so many people died while we were waiting for this to occur is a suggestion about the inadequacy of the law. Mr. Chairman, I will wait and do another round of questions when you are finished. Senator Voinovich. Is there a fee that a manufacturer must pay when they intoroduce a new ingredient? Mr. Young. No, Mr. Chairman. Senator Voinovich. So the cost of this is all being borne by the FDA; is that right? Mr. Young. That is correct. FDA evaluates the data that is presented to them by the company coming to them with the new dietary ingredient. Ms. Dickinson. But the company does the work of preparing the data, so they help. Senator Voinovich. The fact is that there is no fee for the FDA to review the data the company prepares. How about prescription drugs? Is it the same situation with prescription drugs? Is there a fee for the FDA to review the data the company submits? Ms. Dickinson. With drugs, there is, but not with food additives and not with GRAS ingredients. On the food side, there is no fee associated with the review of a GRAS notification. Senator Voinovich. That is because the definition of a dietary supplement is still in the food category. I got the impression here that it should be defined as something other than a food product. Ms. Dickinson. No, absolutely not, not from us. Senator Voinovich. How about the other witnesses? Mr. Silverglade. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would define it a little differently than a food product. It does not look like food to me. Ms. Dickinson. Does saccharin look like food to you? Mr. Silverglade. It comes from tree bark. I would not eat it as food. Senator Voinovich. Mr. Young. Mr. Young. There are user fees for new drugs, and there are user fees for medical devices. I do not know the degree to which user fees in this industry would be appropriate. There have only been 188 new dietary ingredient notifications submitted to FDA in the 10 years that this law has been in effect. I think we have a lot greater concern as an industry with those people who are not going through the toll booth and paying the toll or at least gathering the information together and having it reviewed by FDA. It is like an 8-lane highway with a toll booth on one lane. Responsible manufacturers are going through that door. I do not think they ought to have to pay in order to go there and have a 45 percent success rate of getting through until this agency is able to deal with those who ignore the law entirely. So I do not believe that it is something that would really facilitate the proper and timely review of these notifications. Senator Voinovich. You are saying 188 in a 10-year period have come through the door? Mr. Young. That is correct. We believe about 45 percent of those were allowed by FDA to go to market. FDA does not approve; they simply allow these products to go to market without objection. Senator Voinovich. Of the 188 new ingredient projects, only 45 percent were allowed to go to the marketplace? Mr. Young. That is correct, Mr. Chairman. Senator Voinovich. What percentage of dietary supplement manufacturers are avoiding this requirement that the FDA review their product? Mr. Young. It is very difficult to say how many there are, but I have been to a lot of trade shows, and I have read trade magazines that can be read by FDA as well, and there are a lot of folks out there offering new ingredients, new, this is the first time ever, and in the enforcement context, my own view is these would be low-hanging fruit, easy targets. And this is an important part of the law to enforce. Senator Voinovich. One problem that I have, whether it is Enron or Global Crossings, is that you have some bad apples out there, and it seems to me that the industry itself, in order to protect itself, should become a lot more aggressive in bringing these matters to the attention of the Food and Drug Administration. How do you feel about that? Mr. Young. I know it has been done, that these matters have been brought to FDA's attention. I do not know that any of them have been acted upon. However, certainly, it was part of the decision FDA made with respect to androstenedione. FDA said on the one hand, it is not a dietary ingredient at all; it is illegal as a dietary supplement, and second of all, no notification has been filed if it is a dietary ingredient. So you are off the market. That is the only instance I am aware of, and industry and others urged FDA to do that, and it did so. Senator Voinovich. Does your organization, the American Herbal Products Association, take the initiative to police your own industry? Mr. Young. I think our association has brought matters to the attention of the Federal Trade Commission. I am not certain about the FDA. I know individual competitors in the industry have brought matters to the attention of FDA with respect to new dietary ingredients, and I think it is something that should be done more, because we do have a role, obviously, an important role in protecting the integrity of this industry. Senator Voinovich. Dr. Dickinson, how does your organization feel about acting as a watchdog and trying to police your own industry? Ms. Dickinson. I agree with Mr. Young that it is very important for us to be strong in taking some initiatives in self-regulation. CRN has just recently established a task force to look at some of the things that we might do more proactively to address some of these issues. Senator Voinovich. I do not know where this legislation is going. I can tell you one thing that if this bill comes up, I am certainly going to give it a great deal of thought. The fact of the matter is that so often the only reason why we get into legislation is because the industries responsible close their eyes to the problems facing their industry. I think that you all have to be a lot more aggressive in policing your own industry. Ms. Dickinson. Let me say that we have been very aggressive in some of these areas like GMPs. The fact that it has taken 10 years is not because we have not been pushing it. In fact, CRN and the other associations took the initiative in 1995, in just 1 year after DSHEA was passed, of going to FDA with draft language which we had already shared with USP that formed the basis of their---- Senator Voinovich. What happened? It does not make sense. It is almost illogical. If you are a member of the public, and it is a requirement of the law, and here, it is 10 years later, and it has not happened? How can you explain that it did not happen? Ms. Dickinson. Well, it actually was not a requirement of the law. They were permitted by the law to do this. In the meantime, until we have unique dietary supplement GMPs, we are fully subject to food GMPs, so it is not that there are not any. It is that there is an opportunity to ratchet up the level of quality that would be required, and industry was fully supportive of that. FDA has a lot of stuff on its plate, including the new bioterrorism act, which we have also all had to be complying with and which, in fact, has brought a very significant amount of new resources to the agency which it can use for all of its regulatory activities. Senator Voinovich. So in this case, you would say that because of September 11 and the new additional money that is helping the agency overall, it is not a situation of where they have new responsibilities, but they have been given more money, and therefore, you think that they are better off than they were before. Ms. Dickinson. It is a mix, but they got about 700 or 800 new inspectors as a result of the new bioterrorism law. They got requirements for registration. Companies had to register as of December 12 of last year, so they now have resources that they did not have before. There are also provisions related to advance notice of imports and the review of records which strengthen their overall position. Senator Voinovich. Mr. Silverglade. Mr. Silverglade. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. With respect to GMPs, it is really kind of a black box. We do not know exactly what happened, but a few things are a matter of record that we do know. One thing we do know is that the FDA sent its proposed rule for GMPs to the Office of Management and Budget for approval on November 8, 2000, right after the election. After President Bush took office, the proposed rule for GMPs was sent back from OMB to the FDA. Then Commissioner McClellan took charge, but now, we had several more years of delay. So instead of doing a very good job, I would submit that the Clinton Administration had finished the job. Then, the GMP rule was sent back by OMB after the inauguration of President Bush. And then, Commissioner McClellan took several more years dealing with it. Now, the FDA finally proposed a rule last year. And what is holding it up now? I will give you the answer: The industry. The industry has filed hundreds of comments claiming that this has to be changed, that this provision is too strong, and that provision is too strong, and that is why FDA has not issued a final rule. Senator Voinovich. Senator Durbin. Senator Durbin. And that is what Dr. Brackett said, 400 substantive comments. So is it any wonder why this GMP is dragging on as long as it has? I would like to make sure I understand a few of the things that have been said. Mr. Young, are you saying that in the 10 years of DSHEA, there have been 188 new ingredients submitted to the FDA of dietary supplements? Mr. Young. That is what is noted on their Website. That is correct. Senator Durbin. OK; is it correct that there are some 30,000 different dietary supplement products on the market today? Mr. Young. I have no numbers, but I would not be surprised that is the number of what they call SKUs, the selling units. Senator Durbin. That may have been in Dr. Brackett's testimony or in one of the others, but I believe that 30,000 was the number. Ms. Dickinson. But the definition---- Senator Durbin. Excuse me a second, please. Does not it strike us as odd? Thirty thousand products on the market, and over a 10-year period of time, we average about 19 a year that come before the FDA to test a new ingredient? And going back to Dr. Davis' point, combinations of old ingredients can also raise some concerns here as to new concentrations and new combinations. And I think it is proof positive that this current law is not giving the FDA the authority it needs. In fact, recall when Dr. Brackett was asked, well, did you have a listing of the old ingredients so you knew where your starting point was? No, it does not exist. Mr. Young. Well, Senator, the industry did provide lists of old ingredients to FDA. FDA has those lists from the industry. They do not give them legal significance, but I do believe they read those lists when they look at things. There were lists given by, I think, all three of the major trade associations to kind of record, as you suggested earlier, what was in place in 1994. Senator Durbin. It also is a fact, is it not, testimony here that fewer than or less than 1 percent of the AERs that have been filed with the FDA came from the industry. Ten out of 2,500, so the voluntary program for dietary supplements to self-report adverse events has generated 10 out of 2,500 adverse event reports in the life of this act. Is that your understanding, too, Mr. Young? Mr. Young. I do not know how many have come from manufacturers, but I do not know that there is a voluntary program for manufacturers to send in adverse events other than that FDA would like it. There has been no organized industry activity that I am aware of in that regard. Senator Durbin. So how can we take your industry seriously if they do not report products on the market that are causing adverse health events? How can consumers take the industry as seriously interested in the health of America? Mr. Young. Well, I think the industry evaluates those reports. Our members evaluate those reports, and they make adjustments as necessary in response to those reports. They look at them as signals, and I think one of the reasons we support mandatory adverse event reporting is so that FDA, with all of its expertise, can aggregate that information and determine whether signals received by one company are similar to those received by other companies and begin with the process that the---- Senator Durbin. Mr. Young---- Mr. Young [continuing]. IOM has established. Senator Durbin [continuing]. How can they aggregate what they never receive? Mr. Young. They can if there is a mandatory reporting system. Senator Durbin. A change in the law. Mr. Young. That is correct. Senator Durbin. Dr. Dickinson, you have said that we should view grandfathering of old ingredients like the grandfathering of food. Ms. Dickinson. The grandfathering of GRAS ingredients, which are food additives ``Generally Recognized as Safe.'' Senator Durbin. So if we had common foods that cause no problem, and people decided to cook them together, carrots and cauliflower, and that caused no problem, we should not be hauling in the FDA to analyze it. Is that your take on this? Ms. Dickinson. With regard to carrots and tomatoes, yes. Not necessarily with regard to the dietary supplement ingredients. In fact, I think it is important to recognize, and I am sure Mr. Young would comment on this as well, FDA, in its review of these new ingredient notifications is, in fact, doing some of the things that you suggest. FDA is determining, on the basis of concentration, different types of extracts, different types of processing, that certain ingredients that companies might have thought were old ingredients are, indeed, new ingredients. Senator Durbin. How many old ingredients are there? How many are we talking about? Ms. Dickinson. I think we are talking about several thousand. I do not think we are talking about 30,000. And the reason for that is that the number of 30,000 was an FDA number that came about when FDA was proposing nutrition labeling, and the cost of that they---- Senator Durbin. But do you see that if you take several thousand starting old ingredients and consider just combinations, not concentrations, that you could be ranging into the millions of possibilities here? Ms. Dickinson. Well, one can speculate about a lot of things. A large number of those ingredients are essential nutrients or recognized nutrients. A large number of the additional ones are the chemicals that are reviewed in a large number of monographs published by organizations like USP and WHO. Senator Durbin. OK; let us start with citrus aurantium, the most popular, I believe, substitute for ephedra. I wrote to the seven largest dietary supplement companies and asked them: Did you test your citrus aurantium product before you marketed it? How many do you think tested it ahead of time? Ms. Dickinson. How many of them responded? Senator Durbin. Well, of those who responded. It is a good point, but how many do you think tested it? Ms. Dickinson. None of them may have tested it in the way that a drug is tested, but they certainly had information from their supplier of the ingredient and from other information that---- Senator Durbin. Sure did. Let me read you some of the replies. NVE Pharmaceutical. Ms. Dickinson. Oh, not them; come on. Senator Durbin. Robert Ochifento. Are you familiar with him? Ms. Dickinson. I am. Senator Durbin. OK. He makes this beautiful little product, Stacker-2. He says: ``In my experience, it is unusual for companies to conduct in-house testing for nutraceutical compounds.'' But then, he referred me to a study involving Seville orange juice, a study that had been published in the Journal of Clinical Pharmacology, as evidence that this was not a dangerous product, citrus aurantium. And so, we contacted the people who actually authored the study, and here is what they said: Mr. Ochifento, president of NVE, making Stacker-2, who says that this study is the reason why he can sell this product safely, ``I do not consider our study using Seville orange juice even remotely sufficient to assess the safety of synephrine-containing dietary supplements. If the industry is doing that, then, in my opinion, they are committing an egregious error.'' Do you understand that we are not dealing with benign products here? Ms. Dickinson. We are not dealing---- Senator Durbin. Excuse me. I will finish, and then, you get your chance. We are dealing with products which can be in lethal concentration with no testing, going on the market making the consumer walking into that store the laboratory test rat. Now, is that what you want to see in the America that you live in? Ms. Dickinson. No, it is not. Senator Durbin. Is that where you think the FDA should be in allowing these products to be sold without testing, without review of adverse events? You think they should be grandfathered and treated like food. I do not believe that this is a food situation. Ms. Dickinson. I think that this is also not a responsible company and a responsible individual that we are referring to here. The fact that this guy does not know one end from the other does not necessarily mean that other companies in the industry do not have better information about these products. Senator Durbin. Would you like to give us a list of those companies that we should not buy products from? Ms. Dickinson. I would love to, but I do not think I can. I do not think my counsel will allow me to do that. Senator Durbin. Well, that sure is reassuring. Ms. Dickinson. I certainly can provide you a list of our members, and I think you can be perfectly confident buying from these members or from members of Mr. Young's association or some of the other major associations. Senator Durbin. Well, Mr. Young, it turns out that NVE is a member of your association. So what do you want to tell us about him? Mr. Young. I believe they are a member of our association, and I believe they are the ones that have challenged the FDA's ban on ephedrine alkaloid containing dietary supplements. I have not seen that letter before. I am surprised at his response. Senator Durbin. Would the word troubled also be included? Mr. Young. Troubled? Senator Durbin. Are you troubled by his response? Mr. Young. Yes, because there is a lot more information, I think, available about citrus aurantium, about the--there may be other ingredients that are in that product. I do not know how that product is labeled. There are various cautions that are recommended for these kinds of products or ingredients. Senator Durbin. Well it has been labeled by a lawyer for a cure, because it says this product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease. Mr. Young. Well, that is the statement for structure and function I think for the FDA that--but also, there may be cautions on there as well. Senator Durbin. It is also pictured on cable, because it is the world's strongest fat burner. How about that? Mr. Chairman, I think we have achieved what we wanted to in this hearing. Although it has taken awhile, I think we have reached the point where it is clear that DSHEA, which was written 10 years ago as an experiment, is an experiment that has failed the consumers of this country. I do not believe that we collect enough information about these products to say to any unsuspecting consumer of any age in America be safe, by these products. We have to say buy them at your risk. Your government has not established standards about what is included in the products. We have not established any standards about whether they are lethal, whether they are safe, whether they can achieve the things that they are advertised to do, and we do not even require the makers of the product when they are killer products, causing people's death, to report it to the government. We have failed miserably, and to think that the FDA's testimony today is that they are satisfied with this law and see no need for change is troubling to me. I think we have a greater responsibility, and I thank you for this hearing. Senator Voinovich. You are more than welcome, Senator Durbin, and I am pleased that you asked me to hold this hearing today. I have learned a great deal, and I am just as concerned about this issue as you are. I would like to reiterate that the responsible organizations that are represented here and some that are not should take very seriously the fact that this hearing has been held. They need to start doing a better job of policing their own industry. Last but not least, I do not know if this hearing is going to be on C-SPAN or not, but I can assure you that if it is, the people watching this are going to be a lot more reluctance to purchase any of these dietary supplements because of the information that has been brought out today at this hearing. I am personally very concerned about this, because I had a brother who took all kinds of dietary supplements and kept urging them upon me. He died from a massive stroke 2 years ago. I am not saying these supplements caused his stroke but there is reason to be concerned. I think there are a lot of Americans out there that for one reason or another think that these pills are going to be the thing that is going to keep them going, and they really are not. Thank you very much. Senator Durbin. Mr. Chairman, if I might say before we close, give thanks to the staff people who worked so hard: On your staff, David Cole and our clerk, Kevin Doran, and on my staff, Krista Donohue, Myrece Johnson and Mindy Mannlein. This was a very challenging issue, and they did a great job on it. 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