[House Hearing, 110 Congress] [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office] GERMS, VIRUSES, AND SECRETS: THE SILENT PROLIFERATION OF BIO- LABORATORIES IN THE UNITED STATES ======================================================================= HEARING BEFORE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND INVESTIGATIONS OF THE COMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND COMMERCE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED TENTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION __________ OCTOBER 4, 2007 __________ Serial No. 110-70 Printed for the use of the Committee on Energy and Commerce energycommerce.house.gov -------- U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 44-948 PDF WASHINGTON DC: 2008 --------------------------------------------------------------------- For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office Internet: bookstore.gpo.gov Phone: toll free (866)512-1800 DC area (202)512-1800 Fax: (202) 512-2250 Mail Stop SSOP, Washington, DC 20402-0001 COMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND COMMERCE JOHN D. DINGELL, Michigan, Chairman HENRY A. WAXMAN, California JOE BARTON, Texas EDWARD J. MARKEY, Massachusetts Ranking Member RICK BOUCHER, Virginia RALPH M. HALL, Texas EDOLPHUS TOWNS, New York J. DENNIS HASTERT, Illinois FRANK PALLONE, Jr., New Jersey FRED UPTON, Michigan BART GORDON, Tennessee CLIFF STEARNS, Florida BOBBY L. RUSH, Illinois NATHAN DEAL, Georgia ANNA G. ESHOO, California ED WHITFIELD, Kentucky BART STUPAK, Michigan BARBARA CUBIN, Wyoming ELIOT L. ENGEL, New York JOHN SHIMKUS, Illinois ALBERT R. WYNN, Maryland HEATHER WILSON, New Mexico GENE GREEN, Texas JOHN B. SHADEGG, Arizona DIANA DeGETTE, Colorado CHARLES W. ``CHIP'' PICKERING, Vice Chairman Mississippi LOIS CAPPS, California VITO FOSSELLA, New York MICHAEL F. DOYLE, Pennsylvania STEVE BUYER, Indiana JANE HARMAN, California GEORGE RADANOVICH, California TOM ALLEN, Maine JOSEPH R. PITTS, Pennsylvania JAN SCHAKOWSKY, Illinois MARY BONO, California HILDA L. SOLIS, California GREG WALDEN, Oregon CHARLES A. GONZALEZ, Texas LEE TERRY, Nebraska JAY INSLEE, Washington MIKE FERGUSON, New Jersey TAMMY BALDWIN, Wisconsin MIKE ROGERS, Michigan MIKE ROSS, Arkansas SUE WILKINS MYRICK, North Carolina DARLENE HOOLEY, Oregon JOHN SULLIVAN, Oklahoma ANTHONY D. WEINER, New York TIM MURPHY, Pennsylvania JIM MATHESON, Utah MICHAEL C. BURGESS, Texas G.K. BUTTERFIELD, North Carolina MARSHA BLACKBURN, Tennessee CHARLIE MELANCON, Louisiana JOHN BARROW, Georgia BARON P. HILL, Indiana ______ Professional Staff Dennis B. Fitzgibbons, Chief of Staff Gregg A. Rothschild, Chief Counsel Sharon E. Davis, Chief Clerk David L. Cavicke, Minority Staff Director (ii) Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations BART STUPAK, Michigan, Chairman DIANA DeGETTE, Colorado ED WHITFIELD, Kentucky CHARLIE MELANCON, Louisiana Ranking Member Vice Chairman GREG WALDEN, Oregon HENRY A. WAXMAN, California MIKE FERGUSON, New Jersey GENE GREEN, Texas TIM MURPHY, Pennsylvania MIKE DOYLE, Pennsylvania MICHAEL C. BURGESS, Texas JAN SCHAKOWSKY, Illinois MARSHA BLACKBURN, Tennessee JAY INSLEE, Washington JOE BARTON, Texas (ex officio) JOHN D. DINGELL, Michigan (ex officio) C O N T E N T S ---------- Page Hon. Bart Stupak, a Representative in Congress from the State of Michigan, opening statement.................................... 1 Hon. Joe Barton, a Representative in Congress from the State of Texas, opening statement....................................... 3 Hon. Gene Green, a Representative in Congress from the State of Texas, opening statement....................................... 5 Hon. Michael C. Burgess, a Representative in Congress from the State of Texas, opening statement.............................. 6 Hon. Marsha Blackburn, a Representative in Congress from the State of Tennessee, opening statement.......................... 8 Hon. John D. Dingell, a Representative in Congress from the State of Michigan, prepared statement................................ 49 Hon. Ed Whitfield, a Representative in Congress from the Commonwealth of Kentucky, prepared statement................... 50 Witnesses Keith Rhodes, Chief Technologist, Center for Technology and Engineering, U.S. Government Accountability Office............. 10 Prepared statement........................................... 13 Richard Besser, M.D., Director, Coordinating Office for Terrorism, Preparedness and Emergency Response, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention................................. 67 Prepared statement........................................... 69 Hugh Auchincloss, M.D., Deputy Director, National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, National Institutes of Health, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services................... 74 Prepared statement........................................... 75 Eddie J. Davis, interim president, Texas A&M University.......... 91 Prepared statement........................................... 92 Gigi Kwik Gronvall, senior associate, assistant professor of medicine, Center for Biodiversity, University of Pittsburgh Medical Center................................................. 105 Prepared statement........................................... 106 Alan Pearson, director, Biological and Chemical Weapons Control Program, Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation......... 110 Prepared statement........................................... 112 Edward Hammond, the Sunshine Project............................. 143 Prepared statement........................................... 145 Submitted Material ``High-Containment Biodefense Research Laboratories: Meeting Report and Center Recommendations'' Gigi Kwik Gronvall, et al.. 174 Subcommittee hearing exhibts..................................... 185 GERMS, VIRUSES, AND SECRETS: THE SILENT PROLIFERATION OF BIO- LABORATORIES IN THE UNITED STATES ---------- THURSDAY, OCTOBER 4, 2007 House of Representatives, Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations, Committee on Energy and Commerce, Washington, DC. The subcommittee met, pursuant to call, at 10:05 a.m., in room 2123 of the Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Bart Stupak (chairman) presiding. Members present: Representatives Stupak, DeGette, Green, Inslee, Burgess, Blackburn, and Barton. Staff present: John Sopko, John Arlington, Paul Jung, Scott Schloegel, Kyle Chapman, Kristen Carpenter, Peter Spencer, and Alan Slobodin. OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. BART STUPAK, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF MICHIGAN Mr. Stupak. Today we have a hearing on Germs, Viruses, and Secrets: The Silent Proliferation of Bio-Laboratories in the United States. Each Member will be recognized for 5 minutes for an opening statement. I will begin. This is the first of what will likely be several hearings this committee intends to hold to examine the risk associated with the recent proliferation of high-containment biological research laboratories. Today's hearing is focused on high- contaminate bio-laboratories known as BSL-3 and BSL-4 labs in the United States. We anticipate a future hearing will examine the proliferation of high-containment labs outside of the United States. Another hearing will examine the Department of Homeland Security's plan to close Plum Island Animal Disease Center and build a new $500 million animal research facility elsewhere, including a new BSL-4 lab. Our hearing today will focus on the risk associated with the recent increase of domestic BSL-3 and BSL-4 labs. These BSL-3 and 4 labs are the facilities where research is conducted on highly infectious viruses and bacteria that can cause injury or death. Some of the world's most exotic and most dangerous diseases are handled at BSL-3 and 4 labs, including anthrax, foot-and-mouth disease and Ebola fever. The accidental or deliberate release of some of the biological agents handled at these labs could have catastrophic consequences. Yet, as we will hear from the Government Accountability Office, GAO, no single Government agency has the ultimate responsibility for ensuring the safety and securing of these high-containment labs. However, GAO states there is a major expansion of the number of BSL laboratories is occurring both in United States and abroad but the full extent of that expansion is unknown. No one in the Federal Government even knows for sure how many of these labs there are in the United States, much less what research they are doing or whether they are safe and secure. What we do know is that the Federal Government has been funding the proliferation of these labs on an unprecedented scale. For the past 5 years, the NIH has spent more than $1 billion on the construction of new BSL-3 and BSL-4 labs. Given the serious risk associated with these labs, we must ask if all these new labs are necessary. Has the NIH carefully assessed the need for these labs before writing checks to build them? Would we be better off expanding existing facilities rather than building dozens of new ones? When it comes to BSL-4 labs, which are the labs that deal with the most serious diseases for which there is no cure, should we significantly limit the number of labs so there are fewer chances for an accidental or intentional release of these most dangerous substances? Has the proliferation of these labs reached the point at which there are so many labs doing this research that you actually increase the chances of catastrophic release of a deadly disease? Apart from the issue of mushroom growth of these labs, perhaps the most important question looming over all this is, are these labs safe? The most serious accidents so far have occurred outside the U.S., including the death of a Russian lab worker exposed to Ebola and the SARS infections that sickened several people and killed a lab worker in Asia. Here in the U.S. for the past 4 years, the CDC has received more than 100 incident reports from labs handling select agents. However, there are indications that the actual number of incidents may be much higher. It is also alarming to note that more than a third of the incident reports are from 2007, which begs the question of why has there been such a steep increase in BSL incidents. Federal regulations require reports only for incidents involving so called select agents, a list of highly dangerous pathogens. But other dangerous biological pathogens are not on the select agent list, such as hantavirus, SARS and dengue fever. It appears that there is no Federal oversight of the possession, use or transfer of these dreaded diseases nor is there any requirement that the theft, loss or release of these agents will be reported to Federal officials. Even for select agents which are regulated, there may be a significant amount of under-reporting of laboratory mishaps. A case of point is Texas A&M University. Texas A&M recently reported to the CDC that one of its lab researchers had been infected in 2006 with Brucella and that blood tests of three other workers indicated two fever exposures. They reported the incidents only after one of our witnesses, Ed Hammond, of the Sunshine Project exposed the incidents on his Web site. The CDC's subsequent investigation of the Texas A&M lab revealed a number of serious violations of the select agent rules, including lost samples, unapproved experiments, a lack of training, safety training and lab workers without FBI clearance, which is required for working with select agents. Unfortunately, the CDC's August investigation revealed not only shortcomings at the Texas A&M University but also shortcomings on the part of CDC's own oversight. It turns out that the CDC had inspected the very same Texas A&M lab prior to the disclosure of these incidents and found only minor problems. This may indicate that the periodic lab inspections that CDC carries out may not be as thorough as one might hope. Other recent incidents indicate additional problems presented by labs around the country. Problems at the CDC's own lab in Atlanta and recent outbreaks of foot-and-mouth disease in the UK linked to a high-containment lab at Pirbright illustrate the importance of proper laboratory design, construction and maintenance, in addition to workers' safety, worker training and security. The potential human risk involved in high-containment laboratory biological research demand that this subcommittee take a closer look at whether these labs are being designed, constructed and operated safely. As I said, this is the first of several hearings our Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee will conduct on germs, viruses, and secrets. With that I will yield back. I will next turn to Mr. Barton. OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. JOE BARTON, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS Mr. Barton. Thank you, Chairman Stupak, for holding this hearing. I want to also commend Ranking Member Whitfield, who is not yet in attendance, for his efforts. To my knowledge, this is the first congressional hearing into the safety and security of our Nation's bio-laboratories. It is a matter that deserves attention and I believe that it is timely to take it up at this point in time. Today we mark 6 years ago to the day that the Center for Disease Control, the director of the Center for Disease Control, learned that lab tests confirmed that a patient dying a South Florida hospital was infected with anthrax. As it turned out, this was the first evidence in only a few weeks after 9/11. Our Nation, including the Nation's Capitol, faced a series of bioterrorism attacks using weapons-grade anthrax that was delivered through the mail. Consequently, five people died. That case, to this day, remains unsolved. In the wake of the anthrax attacks, the public and the Congress were astonished to learn that the Federal Government did not know how many U.S. labs handled anthrax nor could the Federal Government identify every laboratory in the country with access to the Ames strain of weaponized anthrax that had been used in the attacks. Congress responded by passing the Bioterrorism Act in 2002, which originated, if I recall correctly, in this committee. It established a regulatory system at the Centers for Disease Control over the possession, use and transfer of select agents and toxins. We also dramatically increased spending for the building, expanding laboratories that research deadly germs and toxins. These kinds of facilities are known as biosafety level 3 and 4 laboratories. They deal in highly infectious viruses and other biological agents. The critical part of what they do, however, must be to protect the public and their own workers from the inherent dangers involved in researching the very things that they research. Strict safety rules and guidelines must be required to protect against leaks, losses, are thefts of these deadly materials. This hearing explores several questions. Has a Bioterrorism Act helped improved Federal oversight of select agents? Are there oversight gaps? Is the expansion to research laboratories an unmitigated good or does it pose serious risk? And how well do we manage risk? There are serious reasons to be worried. Records obtained by the committee from the CDC revealed more than 100 acts in missing shipments in 2003. Fortunately, as far as we know, no deaths have been reported and it does not seem that the public has been at risk so far. A very serious biosafety incident has occurred at my alma mater, Texas A&M University. We have the president of Texas A&M here today to testify about what happened there and what Texas A&M has done to make sure that that does not happen again. While we are examining the possible gaps in the Federal and institutional oversight of biosafety, we should also realize that the work performed in these high-risk laboratories is critical to our Nation's defense and health. Much has been made about the secrecy surrounding the bio-laboratories but it hardly seems surprising that the world of bioterrorism research is also a world steeped in secrecy. We might need this secrecy for our own protection but it can also let bad habits go unnoticed and unchallenged until a crisis exposes them. We have seen that happen over and over again at our weapons laboratory at Los Alamos. Last year this subcommittee had to probe to learn that at the National Institutes of Health there was no central inventory of human tissue samples nor any systematic collection of data about them. We learned about that particular problem within the NIH only after the system was abused for personal gain. We also learned in the last several years how some Government scientists have been earning outside income by consulting for drug companies. We have found that a few have operated completely outside of the NIH approval and disclosure rules. Secrecy does not seem to nurture the truth sometimes, so the fact that biosafety rules have been bent and lab safety breaches have been concealed somehow should not come to us as a complete surprise. We are going to hear from several distinguished witnesses about the regulatory and oversight system of these laboratories. I want to particularly welcome the acting president of Texas A&M, Mr. Eddie Joe Davis. He is a personal friend of mine. He has assured me that A&M is doing everything possible to correct the problem and make sure it does not happen again. And I will assure this committee, as a past chairman of this subcommittee and a past chairman of the full committee, that if we know of a problem at Texas A&M, I will guarantee I will help correct it and I will do whatever it takes, including calling the Governor, the chairman of the Board of Regents, to make sure if the changes need to be made, they will be made. Texas A&M will be a model of how to do things right. Not that they have not been in the past but they sure will be in the present and the future in terms of this issue. You have my personal guarantee of that, Mr. Chairman. With that I yield back to the committee and look forward to hearing of the witnesses today. Mr. Stupak. I thank the ranking member. Members will be moving in and out of this hearing as we have another hearing upstairs on Environment and Hazardous Materials. I guess that is an appropriate subcommittee for subject of today's hearing here. Ms. DeGette, opening statement please? Ms. DeGette. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to associate myself with your opening statement and waive my opening statement in favor of more time for questions. Mr. Stupak. Very good. Mr. Green? OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. GENE GREEN, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS Mr. Green. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for holding the hearing. I appreciate you mentioning our subcommittee hearing upstairs. There are so many of us who are also members of that and so we will be coming and going all day, along with votes on the House floor. But I particularly appreciate you holding this hearing on the growth of biosafety labs and the inherent safety risks we must work to mitigate. For most of us here today, the dangers associated with bioagents are all too real as we served in this capitol complex in 2001. Several of our colleagues were targets of anthrax attacks. That attack shed tremendous light on our lack of capacity to research these agents for their health risk and find cures for the most dangerous of them. Today, approximately 6 years later, we are charged with determining whether that capacity was increased too quickly without appropriate regulatory guidelines and safeguards. We will hear a lot today about the incidents at Texas A&M, BSL-3 lab. There is no question that the incidents have cast a dark shadow on Texas A&M select agent research program. It appears that the proper procedure are either unknown or blatantly ignored and the university has taken full responsibility by firing the individuals who acted irresponsibly and putting the full weight of the university behind resolving the remaining issues. I am pleased that Dr. Davis has agreed to testify before the committee today to help us learn about the A&M experience and identify any Federal oversight gaps that need to be addressed by regulation or statute. There are several basic concerns we must address such as the fact that we do not even know how many biosafety labs are operating in our country. We know there are currently 15 BSL-4 labs either operational or under construction, that these labs handle the most deadly agents for which there is no treatment currently available. We know that there are 400 BSL-3 labs registered with the Centers for Disease Control, yet the only factor that triggers the requirement to register with the CDC seems to be the use of select agents and the official list of select agents is not continuously updated. We seem to have no clue about how many other labs there are working on agents that may not appear on that list yet are undeniably dangerous. I have every confidence this hearing will be effective in routing out many of the other regulatory issues that are facing our biological research laboratories. In our quest to fix many of the problems, however, I hope we will not lose sight of the need for this research being conducted in our country. I am proud to have much of this research being conducted in my own backyard at UTMB, University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston. I recently visited the construction site of UTMB's Galveston National Lab, which is one of only two national biocontainment laboratories in this country. The research at the Galveston National Lab will be conducted to develop therapies and vaccines and tests for diseases like West Nile Virus, Ebola virus and drug resistant TB, which I've had legislation on. As a nation, we need the work to be performed in our country. During my visit to UTMB in May I learned first-hand about the measures UTMB is taking to ensure that the lab is built with every contingency in mind. I have also learned about the competence of training program that UTMB has put in place. Frankly, many of the incidents we will hear about today could have been avoided had appropriate and thorough training of research and lab employees taken place. I plan to focus a good portion of my questions on the safety aspect of the issue, not only because there seems to be a universal need facing biosafety labs but I also have a mild personal interest in it since my daughter is currently in her second year of fellowship in infectious disease at UTMB. It is entirely possible she will work on some of the research conducted in select agents either in the currently operational BSL-4 or in the Galveston National Lab when it opens next summer. As a parent to that research, I want to make sure that these biosafety labs adhere to the highest safety training standards. And it is a source of personal comfort that UTMB has placed such an emphasis on that safety training. Given the growth of these labs nationwide, I think we need to step up our safety training efforts nationwide and my office will begin to draft legislation on this important issue. And I appreciate the witnesses here today and the chairman for calling this hearing because our Oversight and Investigation Subcommittee does the investigation, then we have to go from there to draft legislation. And thank you, again, Mr. Chairman. I yield back my time. Mr. Stupak. Thank you, Mr. Green. Mr. Burgess, opening statement please. OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. MICHAEL C. BURGESS, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS Mr. Burgess. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I want to assure you that I do not have duties in the other subcommittee so I will be with you all day. I did not want you to feel in danger or abandoned. Mr. Chairman, thank you for holding the hearing today. I am grateful that we are investigating this. We are in the 21st century and we have come so far from 20th century problems, 20th century difficulties and now providing for our common defense surely includes homeland security and protecting our homeland against the threat of biological attack. Recent years we have seen Hurricane Katrina, we have seen SARS, we have seen threats of bird flu. So natural disasters come into that list as well. We have got to have the guidelines in place. We have got to have guidelines in our labs, our streets to ensure that the very situations we are trying to protect ourselves against do not foster the environment that could be ripe for the type of biological accident or catastrophe that we all fear. Mr. Chairman, you are right, the labs are proliferated. That is appropriate because of the 21st century threat. Our regulation remains mired in the last century. There is a plethora of agencies but they are beset by a lack of communication, which is typical of the stove piping that frequently occurs within Federal agencies. And I hope that our committee will put itself to the task of eliminating those barriers. The truth is, the Federal Government only regulates a specific list of select agents but this list does not seem to be updated with sufficient frequency and, in fact, does not include some of the most deadly and contagious pathogens including the viruses responsible for severe adult respiratory syndrome or SARS. I cannot help but wonder, Mr. Chairman, if we are doing enough to keep this list updated to ensure that our scientists and our private citizens are protected. I know this is supposed to be the first in a series of hearings on this issue and I ask that we specifically look into whether or not the list is updated, how it is updated and if it is done in a most timely fashion. Now, our committee has an important responsibility to the American public and over the years I am grateful for the active and aggressive oversight that we have had in many of our labs in the country. As terrorism becomes more and more sophisticated and global activities seem to make the world a smaller and smaller place, we must continue to implement and maintain comprehensive measures for our safety. Today's hearing brings further light to serious and ongoing transit laboratories across the country. When labs do not take adequate care and caution, they literally put some of the brightest minds of the country in danger. Part of the responsibility falls on the Federal Government due to the ambiguity regarding the regulations and the guidelines that labs must follow. We, as members of this committee, have a duty and responsibility to the citizens of the country, to the scientists of the country, to resolve any ambiguities that currently exist within the Federal regulations so that the biosafety in all labs can be assured. The sad reality is that while the security breaches that have recently been documented in the newspapers, while they are serious, ultimately they could have been catastrophic had the right conditions prevailed at the time that those breaches occurred. But having said all that, I do want to join my Texas colleagues in welcoming the president of one of the premier research facilities in the United States, which happens to be in one of the premier States in the United States, the State of Texas. So Texas A&M president, Dr. Ed Davis, welcome to our committee. Of course, A&M has produced some of the greatest thinking minds of this century, including our ranking member, Mr. Barton. Unfortunately, there has also been some controversy and today they are not going to just be talking about the football team record. Dr. Davis, thank you for being here today and we look forward to hearing your discussion of exactly what happened in college station. Hopefully, you can give us some guidance on what we should do at our level to resolve the ambiguity and allow your scientists to have the tools in place to provide the safety that they need to conduct their research and ultimately protect the American people. I would also like to briefly mention, as did my colleague, Mr. Green, the issue of training at the University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston. They have been a leader in this, responding to a need and developing a formal training center for laboratory personnel. They are receiving Federal dollars through the Department of Defense appropriations bill. Just make a note to the Majority that we do need to vote on a conference report on the Department of Defense appropriations bill with all haste and that that should not be encumbered with other issues and I would encourage you to talk to your leadership so that we can get that done and this great lab in Mr. Green's district can go forward and provide the training that the scientists need. And they are going to work in conjunction with the Center for Disease Control and the National Institute of Health. Again, Mr. Chairman, I thank you for holding this important hearing. I know we have got a lot of issues to get to today, so I want to be generous to you and I will yield back the balance of my time. Mr. Stupak. Thank you for yielding back 35 seconds. Next, go to Mr. Inslee for an opening statement. Please, sir? Mr. Inslee. I will waive my opening. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Stupak. Mrs. Blackburn, opening statement? OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. MARSHA BLACKBURN, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF TENNESSEE Mrs. Blackburn. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I appreciate the hearing and I will also, since my late father-in-law was a Texas Aggie, I will express my welcome to Mr. Hammond also and to any of the other Aggies that are in the audience. I am delighted that we are having this hearing today. The hearing focuses on facilities that conduct research on specific infectious diseases, term-select agents. The labs that conduct the research on these select agents are classified as either a biosafety level 3 or 4. Now, in Tennessee, at the University of Tennessee, there are a couple of different labs. One is in Memphis and one is in Oak Ridge. The UT Health Science Center in Memphis is currently constructing a new regional BSL-3 biocontainment lab but we are pleased with that facility and pleased with the progress that they have made on some of their biotechnology and the research that goes with that. This is something when I was in the State senate in Tennessee. I spent a good bit of time trying to help get off the ground helping start the biotechnology association and the task force that help feed the energy into that when I was in the State senate. We know that these facilities are working with materials that can potentially cause serious harm to humans and to animals with some of the pathogens having no known cure. In today's world, the threat of terrorism, as my good colleague has mentioned, is present. Not only could terrorists potentially use one of the pathogens to harm the public, there is also the possibility that those wishing America harm could genetically alter these pathogens to form a new strain with no known cure. And while I understand that the research is clearly needed, we must also focus on the safety of those performing the research, as well as the communities in which these labs and facilities are located. I think we have all expressed concern with the way the counting is done and knowing how many of these are actually available. We know that the NIH said there was 277 in 2005 and today the number is estimated to be around 400. I will let go also one of the things that my colleague was mentioning. The lack of communication between the agencies. When you look at the FDA, the CDC and the NIH, Mr. Chairman, we continue to hear, whether it is in health sub or here, the inter-agency, as well as the intra-agency communication and collaboration and share of information seems to not be what we would like for it to be, especially when we are looking at something as delicate and as necessary as the type of research we are talking about and I hope that we have the opportunity to address some of that today. I do want to welcome our witnesses today. As I said, especially any Aggies who are before us, I will join in welcoming them. I also look forward to hearing and engaging in the Q and A. And, Mr. Chairman, I yield back my time. Mr. Stupak. I thank the gentlelady for her opening statement. That concludes the opening statements. Before we begin with testimony, I would like to recognize our colleague, Chet Edwards, who is here. Chet has Texas A&M in his district and I know he has talked to me and others about this issue. So welcome, Chet. Seeing no other members, we will move forward to our first panel of witnesses. We have Dr. Keith Rhodes, Chief Technologist, Government Accountability Office, Center for Technology and Engineering. And with Dr. Rhodes is Dr. Sharma, who is GAO's Assistant Director of Applied Research and Methods. It is the policy of the subcommittee to take all testimony under oath. Please be advised that witnesses have the right under the rules of the House to be advised by counsel during their testimony. Do either of you gentlemen wished to be represented by counsel? Mr. Rhodes? Dr. Sharma? No. OK. Witnesses indicated they do not, therefore, I will ask you to rise, raise your right hand, take the oath. [Witnesses sworn.] Mr. Stupak. Let the record reflect that the witnesses replied in the affirmative. You are now under oath. Dr. Rhodes, are you going to start with your opening statement please? STATEMENT OF KEITH RHODES, CHIEF TECHNOLOGIST, CENTER FOR TECHNOLOGY AND ENGINEERING, U.S. GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY OFFICE; ACCOMPANIED BY SUSHIL K. SHARMA, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, APPLIED RESEARCH AND METHODS, U.S. GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY OFFICE Mr. Rhodes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, members of the subcommittee, my colleague, Dr. Sharma, and I are pleased to be here today to discuss our preliminary findings on the oversight of the expansion in the United States of biosafety level 3 and biosafety level 4 labs, also known as high-containment labs. This expansion is, in part, a response to the global spread of emerging infectious diseases and the threat of bioterrorism. As you know, BSL-3 and 4 labs often contain the most dangerous infectious disease agents like Ebola, small pox and avian influenza. Although high-containment labs are designed to promote the safety of researchers and the public, accidents and security breaches have occurred in the past and they will occur in the future. Experts tell us that most accidents occur due to human error, which cannot be completely eliminated. In addition, these labs can be used by terrorists or people with malicious intent to acquire or develop harmful biological agents, posing a serious threat to our national security and public health. The intentional dissemination of anthrax in the U.S. mail highlighted major gaps in our civilian capacity to respond to a biological attack. One such gap noted by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases was the shortage of high- containment lab capacity available to conduct research for medical countermeasures. To address this concern, the administration and Congress responded by providing increased funding for biodefense research and for additional BSL 3 and BSL 4 labs in the private sector, especially in university settings. As a result, concerns have been raised about the adequacy of oversight of these labs because the deliberate or accidental release of biological agents can have disastrous consequences, such as exposing workers and the public. In addition, concerns have been raised about their safety, as well as operations. Finally, there are security concerns about the potential theft of the agents themselves. Accordingly, you asked us to address the following three questions. One: Is there an expansion going on? Two: Who is in charge of this expansion? And three: What lessons can be learned from recent incidents at three high- containment labs? With regard to expansion, Mr. Chairman, as you can see on the charts, we found that a major expansion of BSL 3 and 4 labs is taking place in the United States. For example, concerning BSL-4 labs, which handle the most dangerous agents, the number of these labs has increased from five before the terrorist attacks of 2001 to 15, including at least one in planning. With regard to BSL-3 labs, no one knows how many there are but the number is surely in the thousands. In the past, the most dangerous of these types of labs, that is the BSL-4 labs, were largely in Federal hands. But since 2001, the expansion is taking place across many sectors, Federal, State, academic and private and across most of the United States. While information on expansion is available about high- containment labs that are one, registered with the select agent program and two, federally funded, much less is known about the expansion of labs outside the select agent program, as well as the non-federally funded labs including their location, activities and ownership. With regard to who is in charge of this expansion, Mr. Chairman, we found no single Federal agency has the mission and, therefore, is accountable for tracking the number of all BSL-3 and 4 labs within the United States. Although several agencies have a need to know the number and location of these labs to support their missions, no agency knows how many such labs there are in the United States or their locations. Therefore, no Federal agency is responsible for determining the aggregate risks associated with the expansion of these labs. Since there is a baseline risk associated with any high- containment lab, the aggregate risk associated with this expansion will increase as their numbers increase. Importantly, the safety and security risks will be greater for new labs with less experience. Finally, from the three recent incidents that you asked us to examine, one: the failure to report to CDC exposures to select agents by Texas A&M University, two: the power outage at CDC's new BSL-4 lab, and three: the most recent release of the foot-and-mouth disease virus at Pirbright in the United Kingdom. We have identified six lessons that can be learned. These lessons highlight the importance of one: identifying and overcoming barriers to reporting in order to enhance biosafety through shared learning from mistakes and to assure the public that accidents are examined and contained. Two, training lab staff in general biosafety, as well as in specific agents being used in the labs to ensure maximum protection. Three, developing mechanisms for informing medical providers about all the agents that lab staff work with to ensure quick diagnosis and effective treatment. Four, addressing confusion over the definition of exposure to aid in the consistency of reporting. Five, ensuring that BSL-4 lab safety and security measures are commensurate with the level of risk these labs present. And six, maintaining high-containment labs to ensure integrity of physical infrastructure over time. In summary, the expansion of BSL-3 and 4 labs is indeed taking place in the United States and it is proceeding in a decentralized fashion. While some expansion may be justified, unwarranted expansion without adequate oversight is proliferation, not expansion. Since the full extent of the expansion is not known, it is unclear how the Federal Government can ensure that sufficient but not superfluous capacity, bringing with it additional unnecessary risk is being created. In conclusion, Mr. Chairman, the limited Federal oversight that does exist for high-containment labs is fragmented among different Federal agencies and for the most part, relies on self-policing. As you have said in your opening statement, the inherent weaknesses of an oversight system based on self-policing are highlighted by the Texas A&M University case. While CDC inspected the labs at Texas A&M in February 2006, as part of its routine inspection, its inspectors failed to identify three items. One, a worker became exposed and ill. Two, unauthorized experiments were being conducted and unauthorized individuals were entering the labs. And three, both the agents and infected animals were missing. It was not until a public advocacy group learned of the Brucella incident and according to this group, applied pressure by demanding records about the incident, that the university reported this incident to the CDC. This report prompted the subsequent in-depth investigations by the CDC. This incident is raising serious concerns about, one, how well the agency polices select agent research being conducted in over 400 high-containment labs registered under the select agent program located at various universities around the country and, two, whether the safety of the public is compromised. Moreover, if similar safety breaches are occurring at other labs, they are not being reported nor is CDC finding them. I want to leave you with this thought. Since the labs are largely overseeing themselves at this point, it is not the regulators but only the operators of these labs who can tell you whether the three recent incidents are the tip of the iceberg or the iceberg itself. Mr. Chairman, this concludes my prepared remarks. Dr. Sharma and I stand ready to answer any questions you or members of the subcommittee may have. [The prepared statement of Mr. Rhodes follows:] [GRAPHICS NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Mr. Stupak. Thank you, Dr. Rhodes. Dr. Sharma, you do not have an opening statement, sir? Mr. Sharma. No. Mr. Stupak. OK. For the record, without objection, Mr. Dingell's statement will be submitted for the record. I am sure Mr. Whitfield has one and when he comes up, it will be submitted for the record, as well as opening statements of other members of the subcommittee. The prepared statements of Messrs. Dingell and Whitfield follow:] Prepared Statement of Hon. John D. Dingell, a Representative in Congress from the State of Michigan Mr. Chairman, thank you for holding this important hearing. I congratulate you for shining some much-needed light on the hidden world of bio-research, and I look forward to assisting you in this investigation as we go forward. The central question raised by these hearings is simply this: Are these high-level biosafety laboratories safe? The fact is that we just don't know. According to the Government Accountability Office (GAO), no single Federal agency even knows how many high-level biosafety labs there are or where they are, much less whether they are safe and secure. Moreover, no one Federal agency has the responsibility for tracking these labs and ensuring their safe operation. Even though no one seems to know how many labs there are, the National Institutes of Health has energetically funded the construction of new high-containment biosafety labs all over the country, to the tune of more than $1 billion over the past 5 years. It is unclear whether anyone has based these funding decisions on a quantifiable assessment of need. Mr. Chairman, I intend to ask GAO to review this spending, to provide an overall accounting of how much was spent, where it was spent, and on what basis. Although we don't know how many labs there are, GAO and other witnesses will testify that the number of high-level biosafety labs has increased dramatically over the last decade. For example, at the height of the Cold War, and as little as 10 years ago, this country had only two Level-4 laboratories-- laboratories that handle deadly diseases that have no cure: one at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and one belonging to the Army at Ft. Detrick, Maryland. By next year, there will be 12 such labs in operation. Do we really need 12 laboratories that operate at the very highest level of security? Is there a good reason for creating these labs or have we simply begun an arms race against ourselves? I had hoped that the Department of Homeland Security would be here today to assist us in answering some of these questions. I was surprised and displeased, however, to learn that even though DHS is responsible for homeland security, it declined our invitation to testify on the grounds that they were too busy and otherwise engaged. Perhaps we need to consider compelling the attendance of the proper DHS officials at our next hearing. That would also provide DHS with an opportunity to explain their proposal to close the Plum Island Animal Disease Center off the coast of New York and move it to the mainland. Plum Island is where the Department of Agriculture has for decades conducted research on foot-and-mouth disease. Much to their credit, they have done so safely and securely, and apparently without incident. The DHS proposal to close Plum Island and move foot-and- mouth virus to the mainland U.S. is utterly baffling. Foot-and- mouth is one of the most contagious diseases in the world. We know from recent incidents in the U.K. that it can escape from even a high-level biosafety lab. And we know that any release of the foot-and-mouth virus could have a devastating effect on the U.S. livestock industry, just as it did in the U.K. in 2001. Why then would DHS propose to move this Level-3 biolab that works with the most dangerous animal diseases in the world from Plum Island to the heart of farm country? I look forward to this committee's investigation of the Plum Island issue as part of this series of hearings on biosafety laboratories. Mr. Chairman, I thank you for your recognition and look forward to the testimony of the witnesses. ---------- [GRAPHICS NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Mr. Stupak. We will begin with questioning, 5 minutes each. I will begin. Dr. Rhodes, you mentioned select agents, how many select agents are there? These select agents being done at these labs. Is it 72? Mr. Rhodes. Seventy-two. Mr. Stupak. OK. One of your last statements, you indicated that there are other labs out there. You mentioned these 400 and some high-containment labs. But there are other labs out there doing other research on potentially dangerous agents and viruses and diseases, is that correct? Mr. Rhodes. Correct. Mr. Stupak. Do you know how many other labs that are out there that are not considered high-containment labs? Mr. Rhodes. No. That would be a larger number than the ones that are labeled high-containment. Mr. Stupak. Of these other labs, are they Government- sponsored labs, as in research being done at the direction or request of the Federal Government? Mr. Rhodes. Not necessarily. Mr. Stupak. OK. But possible? Mr. Rhodes. Possibly. Mr. Stupak. So agents such as SARS, dengue fever, hantavirus, they are not on these select agents? Mr. Rhodes. Correct. Mr. Stupak. And that research could be done in other labs that we do not know about? Mr. Rhodes. Correct. Mr. Stupak. And these are just as deadly as an Ebola outbreak? Mr. Rhodes. Could be, potentially, yes. Mr. Stupak. OK. In your testimony you said you surveyed 12 Federal agencies involved with these high-containment labs, is that correct? Mr. Rhodes. Yes. Mr. Stupak. And several of these agencies have a need to know within their agencies how many level 3 and how many level 4 labs are in the United States and where they are located, is that correct? Mr. Rhodes. That is correct. Mr. Stupak. If I read your testimony correctly of these 12 agencies, none of them, not Homeland Security, not the Center for Disease Control, not the FBI, none of the agencies actually know how many level 3 or level 4 labs are out there? Mr. Rhodes. Correct. Mr. Stupak. OK. The number of BSL-4 labs, those labs that handle the most dangerous and lethal diseases, have increased from two labs prior to 1990 to 15 today, is that correct? Mr. Rhodes. With one in planning. At least one is still in planning right now. Mr. Stupak. OK. You know, this committee also has jurisdiction, we have done investigations into our nuclear weapons research in Los Alamos and others. And it seems like in the field of nuclear we limit the number of labs doing dangerous work so we can keep the research closely regulated, under tight security, under Government control and consolidated in a few locations rather than spread across the country. With the BSL-4 labs, we could conceivably have an outbreak of something, Ebola or whatever virus spread amongst the 15 different labs with varying levels of physical security. Should not Congress want these diseases in fewer hands and fewer locations rather than more locations and more people dealing with it? Mr. Rhodes. Well, from having come out of the nuclear weapons lab program--I mean, that is my background, is in nuclear weapons side. That was the direction that we took in the establishment of the labs that are authorized to work with nuclear weapons material, particularly special nuclear material. Part of that is risk. Two laboratories were established so that there was competition between the laboratories. The idea being that you come up with a better idea through the competitive designs. But you do not expand beyond two. The more BSL-4 laboratories there are, the more opportunities for mistakes. The more opportunities there are for a release. BSL-4 handles the most dangerous biological agents. They are the ones in some cases for which there are no medical countermeasures. And so narrowing the field and bringing the number down reduces your risk because each one of these laboratories does have a baseline risk to it. Mr. Stupak. And one of the risks that Congress was concerned about was terrorism, right? Mr. Rhodes. Absolutely. Mr. Stupak. So the more labs you have out there, the more opportunity, if you will, for something to go wrong to fall into the terrorists' hands. Mr. Rhodes. The more laboratories you have, the more staff you have. Mr. Stupak. Correct. Mr. Rhodes. The more staff that you have to perform background investigations on. The more people who are possible to be compromised. The more material that has to be moved in order to go from point A to another lab. It becomes an extremely complex management of material problem. Mr. Stupak. After the anthrax problems we had in this country in the fall of 2001, Congress charged the labs to develop medical countermeasures. Mr. Rhodes. Yes. Mr. Stupak. Could you find anything where they said to build more labs? Mr. Rhodes. I have not found anything that said, as a result of that, build more labs. Now, the NIAID pointed out an extreme gap in the laboratory structure for countermeasure research but from the Government's direct perspective and the directives out to both industry and the scientific community and all that, it was countermeasures, not specifically build laboratories. Mr. Stupak. Just one more and if you know the answer, maybe you do not. There is a level 4 lab right near here in Bethesda, correct? Mr. Rhodes. That is correct. Mr. Stupak. Did you check that lab? Mr. Rhodes. That is one of the labs that we researched. Mr. Stupak. Are they doing any hot stuff there at level 4 at Bethesda? Mr. Rhodes. If I understand correctly, they are at level 3 at the moment. They are only handling level 3 agents. Mr. Stupak. But they are licensed or not licensed but they are a level 4 lab? Mr. Rhodes. Yes, they are a level 4 containment. Mr. Stupak. So it is capacity not being utilized, it is already built? Mr. Rhodes. That is correct. Mr. Stupak. OK. Mr. Barton for questions please. Mr. Barton. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The implication in the written report is that we have too many of these level 3 and level 4 biolabs. What would a good number be? Mr. Rhodes. I do not know what a good number would be, sir. The point that we are trying to stress in the report is that no one knows what the number is. Decomposing from capacity requirement to figure out what the number is. If labs are being built just because money is available and not necessarily to meet a---- Mr. Barton. Well, based on the need as you see it today, do we need more or less? Mr. Rhodes. I do not know whether we need more or less but we need to know the ones that we have and we need to know what they are doing. Mr. Barton. The report does not seem to think--I mean, I get the implication that the report indicates we have too many. I do not care if you say 10 or 100 or 2. Mr. Rhodes. The point of the report is that there is too many at the moment for the level of oversight that is being provided. So it is stretched beyond the ability of the fragmented and decentralized oversight that exists now. Mr. Barton. So you are not worried about---- Mr. Rhodes. If the oversight is going to stay the way it is, we need less labs because the oversight that is there right now cannot keep up with the number and the expansion that is going---- Mr. Barton. When you say the oversight right now, what do you mean by the oversight? Do we have too many agencies? Are the agencies we have not doing a good job? Mr. Rhodes. Well, we have no single agency. We have no agency that actually knows what the number is and when we go out to the agencies, we still cannot get what the number is. Mr. Barton. All right. How many agencies can fund one of these level 3 or level 4 laboratories? Mr. Rhodes. Well, at the moment I think it would be 15. Mr. Barton. So there is 15 different Federal agencies that can fund these laboratories. Mr. Rhodes. I think so. Mr. Barton. Is that correct? Mr. Rhodes. Yes, I think so. Mr. Barton. How many should there be? Should we only let one agency fund them? Mr. Rhodes. No, you can let them all fund, that is fine but who is going to provide the oversight and make certain that there is cross communication between those organizations that are funding, as well as those organizations that are providing the oversight? Right now it is a very fragmented environment. Mr. Barton. So you do not have a problem that 15 different Federal agencies can fund these. Your problem is or the GAO's problem, not your personal problem, but is it the agencies that fund these labs do not coordinate between each other on oversight. Is that correct? Mr. Rhodes. That is part of it and they are not coordinating on the actual need for the laboratories. So a particular department has funding and it says it has a need and it goes and funds a laboratory when, for example, let us take Texas A&M. Mr. Barton. Just out of pulling a name out of a hat. Mr. Rhodes. Just pulling a name out of a hat. As you said in your opening statement, they will be the model laboratory. Well, why should not they be funded by multiple agencies and make certain that there is coordination amongst the funding so that the requirements are met and why should not it be that their oversight is coordinated as well so it is not fragmented? Mr. Barton. I would think, to pull a name out of a hat, Texas A&M would love to have multiple sources of funding. Mr. Rhodes. I would imagine so. I would imagine many other existing laboratories would like that too. The problem is that, as the number of labs increases, the risk increases and, as that risk increases, the oversight becomes more difficult. As the oversight becomes more difficult, the transparency of what is going on in the laboratory goes away and that is the major concern. If the United States Government decides in consultation with the Congress regarding funding that there need to be 15, 20, 50 BSL-4 labs and there are needs for it and there is adequate safety and security associated with it and there is adequate coordinated oversight and it is meeting adequate requirements definition, so be it. Mr. Barton. If you had to pick one agency today to be the lead coordinator for this new oversight system, which agency would that be? Mr. Rhodes. I cannot say that at this moment but we will report that out in the recommendations in our final report. These are our preliminary findings but we will report that out in our final report. Mr. Barton. Is there an existing agency that is capable of being the lead agency for oversight that is already in existence? Can you answer me that question? Mr. Rhodes. I do not know if I can answer that question. Let me give you just one point I would make about that oversight. The oversight has to be completely independent. The oversight cannot come from someone who is operating a lab. I will give you the example from the Pirbright incident in the United Kingdom. I will be very, very surprised if anyone is ultimately held liable for the release of Foot and Mouth virus from that laboratory because the operator of the lab is the regulator. There was a private laboratory on the Government facility. Funding was coming from multiple directions. Multiple kinds of research was being done. I do not think they will be able to figure out who is ultimately responsible for the leak and who is ultimately accountable for it. And one of the complicating factors is that DEFRA, which is their version of the Department of Agriculture, is the operator of that laboratory, as well as the oversight. Mr. Barton. I have two more questions, Mr. Chairman. I know that my time is expired. The first question is, should these type of laboratories be allowed at academic institutions generically? Mr. Rhodes. Yes, I do not see why not. I mean, that is the---- Mr. Barton. So it is not a problem per se that it is at an academic institution? Mr. Rhodes. It is absolutely not an issue of where the laboratory is located. Obviously, people are going to have to have open hearings about where it should be. It is not a question of academia. Mr. Barton. Last question, Mr. Chairman. The laboratory at Texas A&M, was it level 3 or level 4, do you know? Mr. Rhodes. It is a level 3. Mr. Barton. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Stupak. Just a question. I mentioned about Bethesda being 3 and Mr. Barton mentioned about level 3. If a lab goes from 3 to 4, is the community around it aware or told what the agent or that is known? Mr. Rhodes. It may not be. Mr. Stupak. There is no requirement either way? Mr. Rhodes. I have not seen any documentation so far that there has to be a public hearing about a laboratory being allowed to go from 3 to 4. There may be a requirement for a public notice but I have not seen documentation that says that so far. Mr. Stupak. I mentioned in my opening that we intend to also examine level 3 and 4 labs internationally and we intend to examine the proposal to close Plum Island and relocate the foot-and-mouth disease research to the mainland. Will GAO continue to work with the committee on that investigation research? Mr. Rhodes. Yes. Mr. Stupak. OK, thank you. Ms. DeGette for questions please. Ms. DeGette. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, and I appreciate you holding these hearings which are continuations of hearings this committee has done for a number of years. I was telling staff about several years ago when I went to the level 3 lab, the CDC lab, up in Fort Collins, Colorado. And the lab at that time, they had vector-borne agents there and these vector-borne agents were being stored in a modular unit behind the building that had weeds growing up from the floor and it had flies flying--these are vector-borne agents and I am happy to report that since I visited that and with the assistance of my former colleague, Bob Shaffer, we succeeded in having a new CDC lab built there. I assume they have eliminated the weeds and the flies. But I was really dismayed about your testimony that we now have a proliferation of these level 3 and 4 labs since 2001. Doctor, I am wondering if you can tell us why you think that we have had such a proliferation of these labs? Mr. Rhodes. There is a perceived gap, and actually stated by NIAID, that there is a need post-fall of 2001 events with the anthrax through the mail, for a response network to a future terrorist event. Also a perceived need for ability to do research on countermeasures. And as a result of that, as I stated, both the administration and the Congress have given funding to meet this requirement. Ms. DeGette. And that is going to a wide range of types of private and public entities? Mr. Rhodes. Yes, ma'am. Ms. DeGette. So there has been no distinction made. I think you pointed this out. There has been no distinction made between governmental oversight and private or academic labs, correct? Mr. Rhodes. That is correct. Ms. DeGette. And is it your view--I know you told Mr. Barton that you did not have an opinion yet on which agency should be the lead agency in overseeing these labs but my question is, do we even want more than one agency overseeing level 3 and 4 labs right now? We have got the CDC, the USDA, the DOD and others. Do we want a coordinating lab or do we want just one single agency with authority over regulation of all of these labs? Mr. Rhodes. That would ultimately be the simplest answer. Ms. DeGette. One agency coordinating. Mr. Rhodes. One agency. But that said, the agency that does the oversight will ultimately end up being a coordinating agency because they will have to go to each of the departments and agencies that are funding and go to any of the laboratories and will have to coordinate with them relative to requirements and all that. Ms. DeGette. But the advantage would be you would have one set of standards that would be implemented, correct? Mr. Rhodes. That is correct. Ms. DeGette. Dr. Sharma is nodding in agreement. And so when do you think you will have your recommendation as to what that agency and process should be? Mr. Rhodes. Our schedule right now is to issue our final report in February. Ms. DeGette. February 2008? Mr. Rhodes. Yes, 2008. Ms. DeGette. Thank you. Mr. Rhodes. And we will have to put it out for comments, so I would say probably by March. Ms. DeGette. OK. Now, as I mentioned, not all of these level 3 and 4 labs are federally supported. Some of them are State supported or even private. I am wondering if these non- federally funded labs have unique concerns about which we should be aware and which we should think about as we think about further regulation. Mr. Rhodes. A non-federally funded laboratory is, in effect, an information black hole, so you do not have any insight into it. Unless they are part of the select agent program or they are federally funded, the United States Government will not have any insight into who owns it, where it is, what they are doing. Ms. DeGette. What their protocols are. Mr. Rhodes. Absolutely. Ms. DeGette. And what can Congress do to address that issue? Mr. Rhodes. That would be part of the charter, I guess of the new oversight. They would have to have powers of authority to talk to and gain information from all BSL-3 and 4 laboratories, not just the ones that the Government has oversight of because it is a public safety issue. Ms. DeGette. What you are saying, I think based on your experience with the nuclear labs, what we would have to say is, if a lab had in its possession a certain type of these agents, they would automatically be regulated federally and it is not happening now. Mr. Rhodes. Well, let us look at nuclear power for example. You have the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. Well, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission is not just talking about commercial power. Ms. DeGette. Right. Mr. Rhodes. Talking about anyone who is handling a radio nuclide. Ms. DeGette. Right. Mr. Rhodes. So if your transportation person who is using cesium gauges in order to figure out the depth of a freeway. Ms. DeGette. Right. But what---- Mr. Rhodes. You are licensed. Ms. DeGette. And what I am saying is, right now we do not have that same authority over these biologic agents. Mr. Rhodes. Absolutely. Ms. DeGette. If someone can just set up one of these labs and if it is privately funded then, what you are saying is, we are not regulating that. Mr. Rhodes. Correct. Ms. DeGette. Yes, Dr. Sharma wants to add---- Mr. Sharma. I would add, this is a very essential issue because these BSL-3 and 4 labs in the United States do not need any kind of permit other than building permits if they are not receiving any Federal funds. There is no certification requirements. They can operate. In addition to that, we have additional problems. There are these mobile labs. You can build it. So it is a very complex issue and right now, our system is, there is no way for any agency to know but we are looking at some other systems in other countries. There are requirements to see the extent of which those systems could be applied here and we will be reporting those as part of our report in February. Ms. DeGette. And as I said, what those systems would be is similar to the system that we use for nuclear material, which is if you are in possession of these agents and you are going to have a lab, then you have to meet certain requirements, correct? Mr. Rhodes. Yes. Ms. DeGette. And is that part of what you are developing for next spring? Mr. Rhodes. That is the direction we are looking. Ms. DeGette. I think the committee would all agree that is an extremely important set of guidelines. And I want to thank you both for coming today. Mr. Rhodes. Thank you. Ms. DeGette. I yield back. Mr. Stupak. Mr. Burgess for questions, please. Mr. Burgess. Thank you. Dr. Sharma, if I could just pick up on what you were just saying as you concluded your response to Ms. DeGette. So if there is no Federal funding involved, the only permitting is local building permits? Mr. Sharma. Right. Mr. Burgess. Did I understand that correctly? So then there is no one that certifies whether this is a level 3 or a level 4 facility? Mr. Sharma. It is our understanding that if you are not receiving any Federal funds, if you are not working the select agents, there is nobody you have to seek permission from other than city or State requirements. Mr. Burgess. So to answer the chairman's question about who in the surrounding community is notified, then, obviously, no one would be notified in that situation, is that correct? Mr. Sharma. Correct. Mr. Burgess. Have you looked at all, and obviously other-- we have heard a little bit about the foot-and-mouth disease incident in Great Britain. What are the systems in other countries? How are they dealing with this? Because clearly this is something that is a process in evolution, it is a concept that is developing. Where are other countries on that continuum of development of their regulation of these types of labs? Mr. Sharma. We have not extensively looked at other foreign systems and we have plans to look at how other countries are handling this issue. Mr. Stupak. And we have asked them to do that, Mr. Burgess, look at other areas internationally. Not only for safety but you see countries like Sudan and China suddenly coming up with level 4 labs. I wasn't quite concerned to go to China yet but I was working there. Mr. Burgess. OK. Mr. Stupak. Dr. Rhodes, you had something you wanted to say? Mr. Rhodes. Let me just make one point. I was in the UK and was talking to the people at the Pirbright site. There is currently the exact same discussion that your colleague from Colorado was discussing. They are trying to figure out who is going to be the single regulator because they have the split, they only have two but one is for animals and one is for human pathogens. And then there is that area in-between, which is called zoonotics. Those are the agents that affect both animals and humans. So what is probably going to come out from that discussion is there will be a single regulator. There will be a single set of regulations. Obviously, they have to be tailored for working with animals versus humans. There will be no allowance for the regulator to be an operator. But that is the discussion that is going on right now in the UK as a result of the Pirbright outbreak. Mr. Burgess. Let me ask you the question, as it pertains to the single agency regulations with radio nuclides, zoonotics are a little bit different because here we have got a select list or select agents which is somewhat arbitrary, I would argue. I am by no means an expert but, I mean, SARS not being on that list is, well, a striking omission and I am sure there are good reasons why, from a research perspective, that someone has come up with that designation. But it just points to the difficulty when we talk about we want to do things to remove ambiguity. But there are inherent ambiguities in this system. Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle probably applies here more so than the field of radiation sites, is that not correct? Mr. Rhodes. I follow your logic on that. Mr. Burgess. I do not think it was logic but I appreciate your calling it that. Let me ask you this. I mean, obviously, we got to this system because someone said there is a threat and there is value to developing a rapid response. Do I understand that correctly? Mr. Rhodes. That is correct. Mr. Burgess. I wasn't here in 2001. And then when I was here in 2003, we had the SARS kind of just crop up all at once and it was handled correctly. It was handled correctly from a lot of different levels at the CDC and the NIH and identifying it as a coronavirus, identifying where it came from. And really with no vaccine and no specific treatment, we were able to beat back the threat of an epidemic very, very quickly with old fashioned tools, epidemiology and quarantine. So, clearly there is value here in developing this expertise. I guess my only point is I hope there is some caution, in bringing down the regulatory hammer here, that we not cripple a system that delivered us from evil in the case of SARS relatively quickly, very competently and although 800 people did die, it could have been just extravagantly worse had we not been at the top of our game on that particular illness. Mr. Rhodes. And that is a very good point. I want no one to take our preliminary findings and think we are trying to throw the baby out with the bathwater. In answer to Representative Barton's question about academic environment, I came out of an academic environment. Dr. Sharma came out of an academic environment. We have all come out of academic environments. And with our scientific backgrounds, we couldn't have them without academic environments. So it is not saying be Draconian about this. It is saying let us not be Byzantine about it. The fabric of oversight now is so convoluted I would defy anyone--I mean, I have a very, very smart team and we cannot figure it out. And we talked to people who have regulatory authority and, as a matter of fact, one of them said ``that would be nice if we could know that, anything you can do to help us would be appreciated.'' Now, if somebody goes to the GAO and asks for help, they are in a hot spot. Mr. Burgess. Well, your table that you provided, page 12, and in your evidence book, tab 23, just comparing those two maps of the United States where the locations of the labs are strikingly different. So I think the ambiguity there speaks for itself that we do not even know where we are, what we got and what we are doing and clearly that is the thrust of this committee. Mr. Chairman, I thank you for your indulgence. I will yield back. Mr. Stupak. I thank the gentlemen. Dr. Rhodes, in your survey, did any of the Federal agencies that you looked at, did they indicate concern about the proliferation of these high- containment labs? Mr. Rhodes. Oddly enough, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Intelligence Community were the ones who were most concerned about it. Obviously, they have the counterterrorism side and they have the national security side and they have the national intelligence estimate side. But the FBI also had another concern, which was they are the ones who have to clear the staff. So on one side they have the operational mission of trying to keep people safe and on the other side, they have the operational issue of trying to figure out if the people are actually trustworthy. And as the number of laboratories balloons their workload balloons, their ability to collect intelligence diminishes. And that was their largest concern. Mr. Sharma. I would also like to add here that if there is another accident, it is their responsibility to find out where the material came from. And if they do not know how many labs there are or where the potentials are, they cannot find the perpetrator. And in particular, I think they are in the process of resolving this issue, the CDC, we have been told. But up until now, they could not even obtain the listing of select agent labs that are registered with CDC and this makes their job very difficult. In addition, the main intelligence agency in general have concerns about this proliferation of labs especially not having a centralized Federal vision of what our needs are and how those needs are going to be met. Right now it is fragmented and they are concerned about it. Mr. Stupak. OK. Mr. Green for questions. Mr. Green. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And Dr. Rhodes, I have a series of questions but I think the table on page 13 shows a shocking amount, that no Federal agency has the mission to track high-containment labs in the United States and you go down a number of departments and none of them have that ability. I am interested in the select agent program. It appears that the use of select agents triggers a lab's responsibility to register with the CDC. Would you agree? Mr. Rhodes. Yes. Mr. Sharma. Yes, sir. Mr. Rhodes. And USDA. Mr. Green. And USDA. I noticed that agents such as SARS are not currently on the list. It trumps me to wonder when the list was last updated. I know that Congress updated the list in 2002 with the bioterrorism bill. Was that the last time there was any statutory change? Mr. Rhodes. To the best of my recollection, that is the last time there was a statutory requirement. Mr. Green. OK. I know that the CDC and USDA have jurisdiction over the regulation and oversight of the actual labs. What about the agents being studied in the labs, does any regulatory agency have the authority to update the list of these select agents? Mr. Rhodes. We do not know that answer. Mr. Green. You do not know if there is any agency who can update that list of the select agents? That is basically the question. Mr. Rhodes. The CDC. Mr. Green. The CDC? Mr. Rhodes. Yes. Mr. Green. What agency, in your views, is best poised, is it CDC? Do you know when they last updated that list? Mr. Rhodes. The last update, as I understand it, was in response to the 2003 requirement. Mr. Green. On other agents other than, for example, SARS, what agents do not appear on this select agent list? Is there any Federal regulation or inventory of the use of any of these agents? Mr. Sharma. There is a process in place. As you know, there are emerging threats constantly. There is a mechanism whereby the list can be updated but we have not specifically looked at the process itself, how long it takes and what is involved in updating the list. Mr. Green. OK. The CDC inspected the Texas A&M lab in February 2006 and it was a full 13 days after an employee was exposed to Brucella and was incapable of discovering the exposures. Is this an inherent deficiency in the inspection process or is this specifically an omission by the CDC in this instance? Mr. Rhodes. I think it is one of the problems in the ability of CDC to inspect. Let me give you a counterpart from the UK. The HSE, which is the Health Safety Executive, has inspectors. The inspectors are warranted. They have law enforcement authority. They can compel testimony. They can dig up a pipe if they want to. They can kick in a wall if they have cause to. They can show up with constables if they need to, if they think that they are in danger of personal harm because the Health Safety Executive looks into all kinds of public safety issues, not just biolabs. But the U.S. Government does not have a counterpart to that. Mr. Sharma. Let me add a few things here. I think CDC's system of inspection relies on documentation and people honestly reporting the facts. And if they are not going to, they are not going to find out. It is very simple. The second thing is, and we have shared this and there are other systems in place like in this case, NIH has guidelines on rDNA under which they require institutions that receives Federal funding to have institutional biosafety committees and they also must document the minutes of those meetings. So it is coming from another part of the Government which CDC, it is our understanding and in the process very labor-intensive, I must say this, to review all those minutes. It was documented that this person was exposed to. Now, if it wasn't for the fact that the Sunshine Project Group took the pain to obtain and review and identify this incident, there was no way. It is really the responsibility of the institutions to report to CDC. And if they are not going to, there is not much that can be done and not much we can find out. Mr. Green. OK. Mr. Chairman, I know I am out of time. I have another question that I would like to submit basically on what the GAO found was a primary source of the incidence of the biosafety labs and would you attribute it to majority of accidents to human error or engineering or design flaws of the system and I will submit that in writing, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Stupak. OK, very good. Mr. Rhodes. Thank you. Mr. Stupak. Mr. Inslee, questions please. We have six votes on the floor, let us get this panel in if we can and then we will take a break. Mr. Inslee. Thank you. Is there evidence that the anthrax attack on the Senate was essentially a way to provoke this inquiry we are having in this hearing? Was that the effort? Is there any evidence to suggest that or not? Mr. Rhodes. We have seen no evidence to support that hypothesis. Mr. Inslee. Well, I guess it would not make a difference. We have an issue and we have to deal with it, I suppose in any event. I've been told that there was a proposed study by NIH about the risks associated with proliferation of labs and the like that was to be completed. We have not seen it yet. Have you seen an NIH assessment of this issue? Mr. Rhodes. No, we have not seen that. Mr. Inslee. Is there anything forthcoming from them that you are aware of or not? Mr. Rhodes. We do not know of anything, sir. Mr. Inslee. OK. If we do develop some more uniform protocol for oversight of these labs, I assume there will be some concern about the military aspect of this. It is always difficult when you try to blend oversight of civilian and military operations and the military has concerns about that for understandable reasons. Mr. Rhodes. Yes. Mr. Inslee. How would we go about having a consistent oversight when we have a military operation that, I would assume, be part of that? Mr. Rhodes. Well, that is one of the models we are looking at in the UK because both DEFRA, as well as the Health Safety Executive, have oversight of both civilian and military. They have the Ministry of Defense laboratories under their oversight, so we will look into that and be able to report about. Mr. Sharma. CDC also, if the military labs are working the select agents, they also have to be registered with CDC and CDC does provide the same oversight as they provide to other civilian institutions. Mr. Inslee. OK. You mentioned that some of these existing requirements apply only if the facility is receiving Federal money. Is it likely to have more of this work done in areas where there is not Federal money? We have the situation with stem cells right. We have a proliferation of labs, some not taking Federal money just so they can continue the stem cell research because of the ridiculous restrictions we have on Federal funding. Are we going to see more strictly privately- funded labs here? If we do have requirements, should it apply to everyone not just those who are receiving Federal money? Mr. Rhodes. We may. One of the problems in trying to answer your question is that I have to have some baseline of data. And because privately-funded labs, if they are not using select agents or are not federally funded, we do not know about them; then I cannot even speculate on where that would go. Mr. Inslee. Do you think we need some regulatory process for all labs, federally or non-federally funded, whether or not they use these specific agents? Are there risks associated with certain activities that we are not picking up in our system? Mr. Rhodes. Yes, there are. There are agents that are not on the select agent list and they have grave consequences as well. And whether regulation is direct regulation or not or whether it is just that we need to know where they are. I mean, right now, we do not even know where they are and we do not know what is being done and we do not know who is doing it. And from my standpoint and my colleague's, as well as a lot of safety professionals and security professionals, including our own Federal Bureau of Investigation and our own Intelligence Community, that is a worrisome subject. Mr. Inslee. You are not alone. We should do something. Thank you. Mr. Rhodes. Thank you. Mr. Stupak. Thank you, Mr. Inslee. Mr. Inslee asked the question: did you find any study to assess the need for more of these level 3 and level 4 labs and you said you did not come across any study? Mr. Rhodes. We have not come across any. Mr. Stupak. Did you request from NIH, CDC or U.S. Department of Agriculture any kind of justification of proliferation of these labs? Dr. Sharma? Mr. Sharma. NIAID in collaboration with the American Society of Microbiology did conduct this survey trying to ascertain what our lab capacity is. But this study had some methodological problems. Primarily one major being very low response rates. And we do have that study. But in addition to that, we do not have anything else. Mr. Stupak. So they tried to do a study but it was such a low response, you couldn't make a determination from that assessment? Mr. Sharma. Right. Mr. Stupak. So we still do not know what is the right capacity or number of labs that we need? Mr. Sharma. Well, if you do not know the universe of labs and their capabilities, you cannot obviously meet any---- Mr. Stupak. Correct. If you do not know its abilities or what they are doing you cannot make the assessment. Mr. Sharma. Right. Mr. Stupak. Mr. Burgess, anything before I let this panel go? Mr. Burgess. I think Mr. Barton referenced in his opening statement, talking about the anthrax attack and when there was a Senate hearing there was a question posed to the FBI back in 2001, the FBI was asked how many labs handle anthrax of this type and I guess no one knew the answer to that question. Mr. Rhodes. That is correct. Mr. Burgess. Do we know the answer today? Mr. Rhodes. No. Mr. Burgess. Well, let me ask you this. Obviously, we have put some time and effort into protecting the homeland with the proliferation of labs, is it the opinion of the two individuals before us from the GAO that we have moved on that continuum of being more secure or are we stationary or are we less secure? Mr. Rhodes. That fact that there is so much that is unknown at the moment, I would have to say we are at greater risk. Because as the number increases, the risk increases and it is not just the increase in the material, it is the increase in laboratories that have less experience than others. Mr. Burgess. So the actual risk may be generated by the fact that we are studying to prepare for the risk? Mr. Rhodes. Yes. It is a dilemma that we are in. Mr. Burgess. But that is one of the prices you pay for doing the research, correct? Mr. Sharma. That is correct. Mr. Burgess. And you'll never get to a point of relative security if you are not willing to invest the time and effort and the risk in doing the research, is that correct? Mr. Rhodes. That is correct but doing---- Mr. Burgess. And we need to manage the risk. Mr. Rhodes. Yes. We are not---- Mr. Burgess. So my question is, are we doing a good job of managing the risk. I would assume the answer to that question today is no. Mr. Rhodes. No. Mr. Burgess. But is it your opinion that we can get to that point of managed risk which now is acceptable? Mr. Rhodes. Yes, we can. It could be done. Mr. Burgess. Thank you. I yield back. Mr. Stupak. OK. Just along those lines though, today we are only talking about buildings. We have not talked about the quantity, quality, string of agents that are out there and who is doing what at what labs and things like that. We do not even know that. Mr. Rhodes. That is correct. Mr. Stupak. OK. Future hearing. We have six votes on the floor. Let us look for about 12:00, 12:15 we will be back. We will dismiss this panel. Thank you very much and thank you for your work and we will continue this investigation. So we will stand in recess for 45 minutes, 50 minutes. [Recess.] Mr. Stupak. It is one of those days, as I said, there is a hearing going on on the third floor and we have got about three hearings going in the Energy and Commerce Committee. So we have our second panel of witnesses and they are Dr. Richard Besser, who is the Director of the Center for Disease Control and Prevention, Coordinating Office of Terrorism Preparedness and Emergency Response. Dr. Casey Chosewood, who is director of CDC's Office of Health and Safety; Captain Robbin Weyant, who is the CDC's Director of Division of Select Agents and Toxins; and Dr. Hugh Auchincloss, who is the National Institutes of Health, Deputy Director of National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. It is the policy of this subcommittee to take all testimony under oath. Please be advised witnesses have the right under the rules of the House to be advised by counsel during your testimony. Do any of you wish to be represented by counsel? No one is indicating no, so therefore I will ask you to please rise, raise your right hand to take the oath. [Witnesses sworn.] Mr. Stupak. Let the record reflect that the witnesses have answered in the affirmative. You are now under oath. It is my understanding Dr. Besser and Dr. Auchincloss are going to be the only ones giving testimony, is that correct? Dr. Besser, you want to start with you please, sir? STATEMENT OF RICHARD BESSER, M.D., DIRECTOR, COORDINATING OFFICE FOR TERRORISM, PREPAREDNESS AND EMERGENCY RESPONSE, CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL AND PREVENTION Dr. Besser. Thank you. Good afternoon, Chairman Stupak, Ranking Member Whitfield, the members of the subcommittee. I am Dr. Richard Besser, Director of the Coordinating Office for Terrorism Preparedness and Emergency Response at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Accompanying me today are Dr. Rob Weyant, who is the director of our Division of Select Agents and Toxins and Dr. Casey Chosewood, who is director of CDC's Office of Health and Safety. On behalf of CDC, I am pleased to be here today to discuss how CDC oversees select agents in the Nation's laboratories. To further scientific knowledge about biological agents and toxins and develop diagnostic tests and countermeasures against them, our institutions conduct research on these potentially harmful agents. Before undertaking any laboratory experiment, it is critical that one weighs the potential benefits of the experiment against the potential risks. We recognize that such research increases the risks of accidental or intentional release of these agents. To mitigate this risk, Congress authorized the Federal Government to oversee labs that work with select agents. The creation of this program has given our Nation an important tool to help minimize the inherent risks that accompany work with select agents. The regulation of select agents is a shared Federal responsibility between the Department of Health and Human Services, Agriculture and Justice. Congress gave HHS the authority to regulate the possession, use and transfer of biological agents and toxins that could pose a severe threat to public health and safety. We refer to these as select agents. No program for oversight of select agents existed in the United States prior to 1996. In 2002, Congress significantly strengthened oversight of select agents with the passage of the Public Health Security and Bioterrorism Preparedness and Response Act of 2002. The select agent regulations that were established as a result of this Act are the ones that are currently in effect. It is important to note that not all laboratories work with select agents. Therefore, not all laboratories are regulated under the provisions of the select agent regulations. For instance, HIV and the bacteria that causes tuberculosis are not select agents and are not covered by the program. However, the Federal Government does provide biological safety guidance to the entire laboratory community through a document entitled, ``Biosafety, Microbiological and Biomedical Laboratories.'' Laboratories have multiple systems in place to ensure biosafety. The first line of defense is proper training of lab workers. Before someone can work in a lab, they should undergo rigorous lab safety training. People who work in labs also are physically protected through the use of personal protective equipment such as gloves, masks, goggles and for the most dangerous germs, biosuits. Laboratories also are engineered to ensure that dangerous pathogens cannot escape. Some of these engineering controls include negative air pressurization and the use of biosafety cabinets. Accidents can and will happen in labs. But these multiple biosafety systems can help to ensure that lab workers and the public are protected. CDC executes the select agent program through both a strong oversight role by evaluating and inspecting registered labs and by providing guidance and training to those labs. Routine inspections are conducted a minimum of every 3 years. Additional inspections are conducted any time that an entity requests a significant change to its select agent registration. An important tenant of the CDC's select agent program is that it treats all registered labs the same, whether that lab is a commercial lab, State or local public health lab or Federal lab, including CDC and Department of Defense labs. The select agent program uses standardized checklists to inspect all labs, has the same requirements for all labs and uses the same standards when referring any lab to the HHS Office of Inspector General for possible violations of the regulations. Public concerns and questions about the overall safety of our Nation's laboratory workers are understandable and legitimate. In the 4 years that the select agent program has been in place with approximately 400 organizations being registered and after careful investigations when a potential incident has been reported, there have been no confirmed losses or thefts of a select agent and there have been three confirmed releases of a select agent. After careful investigation, none of these releases were considered to be a public health threat. This does not mean, however, that such incidents cannot happen in the future. Even a lab that follows all biosafety guidelines may have accidents. But the biosafety and biosecurity requirements that Congress established help reduce the likelihood that these accidents will impact worker or community health. We have accomplished much since the program began but we are always looking for ways to improve. Investigations of labs have taught us important lessons. We have learned that we need to make improvements during inspection verification processes. In the future during our inspections, we plan to expand the scope of interviews and review a broader array of documents to identify problems that may go unreported by registered labs. In addition, we plan to assess the composition of our inspection teams and the frequency of our inspections. We also have learned that we need to provide additional outreach and training to the regulated community and create additional guidance documents. We will be undertaking an external review of the CDC's select agent program so that we can continue to improve our oversight of select agent work. The external group conducting this review will actively solicit the input of stakeholders and the general public. In addition to this review, the HHS Office of Inspector General is conducting an audit of CDC's management of its select agent program. We look forward to the findings and recommendations scheduled for completion in 2008 and using this work to help strengthen our program. In conclusion, the select agent programs at CDC and USDA, working in concert with the Department of Justice, have greatly enhanced the Nation's oversight of dangerous biological agents and toxins. The select agent regulations have helped ensure that research with select agents is conducted as safely and securely as possible. However, the possibility of accidental or intentional release of these agents always remains so we must remain vigilant and work to continuously improve our oversight. We will continue to enforce the regulations and provide technical assistance and guidance to the regulated community to ensure that the public's health and safety are protected. CDC greatly appreciates the support of this subcommittee and the rest of Congress in supporting its activities. We look forward to continuing our work with you on these important issues. Thank you for the opportunity to share this information with you and I look forward to answering questions. [The prepared statement of Dr. Besser follows:] Statement of Richard E. Besser, M.D. Good morning Chairman Stupak, Ranking Member Whitfield and members of the Subcommittee. I am Dr. Richard Besser, Director of the Coordinating Office for Terrorism Preparedness and Emergency Response (COTPER) at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), an agency of the Department of Health and Human Services. Accompanying me today are Dr. Rob Weyant, Director of the Division of Select Agents and Toxins in COTPER, and Dr. Casey Chosewood, Director of the CDC Office of Health and Safety. On behalf of CDC, I am pleased to be here today to discuss how CDC oversees select agents in the Nation's laboratories. To further scientific knowledge about biological agents and toxins and develop countermeasures against them, our academic, commercial, and government institutions conduct research on these potentially harmful agents. We recognize that such research increases the risks of accidental or intentional release of these agents. To mitigate this risk, Congress authorized the Federal Government to oversee labs that work with select agents--which include such things as Bacillus anthracis (which causes anthrax), Yersinia pestis (which causes plague), and Variola major virus (which causes smallpox). The creation of this program has given our nation an important tool to help minimize the inherent risks that accompany work with select agents. The regulation of select agents is a shared Federal responsibility involving HHS, the Department of Agriculture (USDA), and the Department of Justice (DOJ). Congress gave HHS the authority to regulate the possession, use, and transfer of biological agents and toxins (select agents) that could pose a severe threat to public health and safety. The Secretary of HHS has delegated this authority to CDC. Congress gave USDA similar authority to regulate select agents that pose a severe threat to animal and plant health and/or animal and plant products. DOJ is responsible for conducting background checks, called security risk assessments, of any entities and individuals that want to work with select agents. By regulating the possession, use, and transfer of select agents, HHS, USDA, and DOJ contribute to the Nation's overall terrorism deterrence strategy. My testimony will focus on CDC's role in the regulation of select agents. I will describe the history of the CDC Select Agent Program, CDC's role in oversight of select agent laboratories, our collaboration with other Federal partners, the key components of the CDC regulatory program, key program accomplishments, and our future plans for enhancing the program. Establishing Oversight over Select Agents: A Brief HistoryNo program for oversight of select agents existed in the United States prior to 1996. In 1996, Congress passed the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 (P.L. 104-132; signed April 24, 1996). With the regulations that went into effect in April 1997 (42 CFR 72.6), the Secretary of HHS established a list of biological agents that have the potential to pose a severe threat to public health and safety. The Secretary also established procedures for the transfer of these biological agents. The CDC Select Agent Program has been in place since 1996. The program was originally located within CDC's Office of Health and Safety and is now located within CDC/COTPER's Division of Select Agents and Toxins. In 2001, Congress expanded the scope of the program by restricting the shipping, possession, and receipt of select agents by passing the Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001 (USA PATRIOT Act); (P.L. 107-56; signed Oct. 26, 2001). The USA PATRIOT Act created a provision related to select agents requiring that no restricted person shall transfer (i.e., ship, possess, or receive) a select agent. In 2002, Congress significantly strengthened oversight of select agents with the passage of the Public Health Security and Bioterrorism Preparedness and Response Act of 2002 (the Bioterrorism Act); (P.L. 107-188; signed June 12, 2002). The Bioterrorism Act strengthened the regulatory authorities of HHS under Sec. 511 of the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 and granted comparable regulatory authorities to USDA for select agents that present a severe threat to animal or plant health, and/or animal or plant products. It also required coordination and concurrence between HHS and USDA on program activities (e.g., development of regulations, reporting forms, approval of changes to regulated laboratories-- registrations, et cetera) for select agents regulated by both agencies. The Bioterrorism Act has been implemented through a series of regulations. HHS published an interim final rule--the ``Possession, Use, and Transfer of Select Agents and Toxins'' Interim Final Rule (42 CFR 73, 9 CFR 121, and 7 CFR 331) (effective on February 7, 2003) which implemented the pertinent provisions of the Bioterrorism Act. A subsequent Final Rule became effective on April 18, 2005. On October 20, 2005, HHS established an Interim Final Rule adding reconstructed replication competent forms of the 1918 pandemic influenza virus containing any portion of the coding regions of all eight gene segments to the HHS select agent list. These regulations are hereafter referred to as the ``select agent regulations''. Role of the Select Agent Program in Oversight of LaboratoriesNot All Laboratories Handle Select Agents Whereas HHS and USDA have authority to regulate any laboratories that possess, use, or transfer select agents, not all laboratories work with select agents. Therefore, not all laboratories are regulated under the provisions of the select agent regulations. For instance, human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) and Mycobacterium tuberculosis are not select agents and any laboratories working with these agents are not required to register with either HHS or USDA. All five currently operational Biosafety Level (BSL) 4 laboratories in the United States are select agent registered entities. (Any organization that has received a certificate of registration through either the HHS or USDA Select Agent Program is referred to as a "registered entity".) Federal Government Guidance to Biological Laboratories and Related Requirements Though only a subset of laboratories is regulated by the Federal Government under the provisions of the select agent regulations, the Federal Government does provide biological safety guidance to the entire laboratory community. The Biosafety in Microbiological and Biomedical Laboratories (BMBL) (4th edition is available in print; 5th edition is available at http://www.cdc.gov/od/ohs/biosfty/bmbl5/bmbl5toc.htm), produced by CDC and the National Institutes of Health (NIH), is a nationally and internationally recognized source that provides safety guidance to laboratories that work with infectious agents. The BMBL provides recommendations for safely working with a variety of human pathogens and describes standard and special microbiological practices, safety equipment, and facilities (constituting Biosafety Levels 1-4). In the BMBL, there are agent summary statements that provide recommendations for the appropriate biosafety safety level to work with these agents. The BMBL also is offered as a guide and reference in the construction of new laboratory facilities and in the renovation of existing facilities. CDC references the BMBL in the select agent regulations and requires select agent registered entities to comply with the BMBL guidelines or equivalent standards. Specifically, the select agent regulations state that the entity should consider the BMBL, NIH's Recombinant DNA Guidelines, and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration's regulations on handling toxins (29 CFR 1910.1200, 29 CFR 1910.1450) in developing and implementing a written biosafety plan that is commensurate with the risk of the select agent, given its intended use. If the Select Agent Program determines that the entity's biosafety and containment procedures are not sufficient to contain the select agent, then the program can cite the entity for non-compliance. Collaboration with Other Federal Partners The CDC Select Agent Program works closely with both USDA and DOJ to implement the select agent regulations. USDA's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) is responsible for regulating the possession, use, and transfer of select agents that pose a severe threat to animal or plant health and/or animal or plant products. For select agents that pose a threat to both humans and animals or animal products, these select agents are regulated by both CDC and APHIS and are called ``overlap agents''. To limit the burden on registered entities, CDC and APHIS worked closely with the Office of Management and Budget to promulgate regulations with identical requirements and analogous language and to create one set of registration and reporting forms to be used by both agencies. These actions helped standardize communication and interpretation of the regulations among CDC, APHIS, and the regulated community. To minimize the burden on entities that possess, use, or transfer select agents, a single point of contact with either CDC or APHIS was established. This single point of contact in the ``lead agency'' is responsible for coordinating all activities and communications with respect to the entity's registration, including coordination with both the non-lead agency (APHIS or CDC) and with DOJ. CDC and APHIS collaborate daily on select agent activities such as the development of select agent policies, resolution of common issues associated with the entity's registration (such as reviewing the required plans), conducting joint inspections, developing standard operating procedures and entity guidance documents, and providing concurrences to entities' amendments. We also collaborate on longer-term projects to improve the implementation of the select agent regulations, such as the establishment of a national select agent Web site (www.selectagents.gov) and development and deployment of a single shared database (the National Select Agent Registry). CDC also works closely with DOJ's Criminal Justice Information Service (CJIS). CJIS conducts security risk assessments of all individuals and entities that request to possess, use, or transfer select agents. As of September 25, 2007, 14,868 individuals have received access approval from CDC to work with select agents, based on the results of the CJIS security risk assessments. CDC also provides information to DOJ's Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) for ongoing criminal investigations related to select agents. Oversight of Select Agents: The CDC Regulatory Program CDC exerts a strong oversight role by evaluating and inspecting registered entities, in addition to providing guidance and training to registered entities. An important tenet of the CDC Select Agent Program is that it treats all registered entities the same--whether that lab is a commercial lab, state or local public health lab, or a Federal lab (including CDC and Department of Defense labs). The Select Agent Program uses standard checklists to inspect all labs, has the same requirements of all labs, and uses the same standards when referring any lab to the HHS Office of Inspector General (HHS-OIG) for possible violations of the regulations. CDC's Approach to Inspection of Entities Laboratory inspections are the primary means by which CDC confirms compliance with the select agent regulations. Routine inspections are conducted every three years. Additional inspections are conducted any time that an entity requests a significant change to its select agent registration. Such changes may include the addition of a new facility, addition of a new agent, or the initiation of a new procedure. Other inspections that are performed include follow-up inspections based on observations from audits performed by Federal partners and investigations that may have involved biosafety or security concerns that could affect public health and safety. CDC's protocol for routine inspections consists of an extensive review of laboratory safety and security as it relates to the possession, use, and transfer of select agents. CDC uses specific checklists to guide its inspections (the checklists can be found at www.selectagents.gov). These checklists have been developed from the select agent regulations and nationally recognized safety standards. The information entered on the checklists is derived from inspectors' observations of the physical safety and security components of the facility, an examination of the documentation available, and from interviews with laboratory personnel. These findings are conveyed to the institution in an inspection report. Entities must respond within a specified timeframe to the deficiencies noted in the inspection report and provide documentation of how they have resolved those deficiencies. In circumstances where the deficiencies are serious and CDC wants to confirm in person that the deficiencies have been corrected, a verification site visit is performed. When CDC identifies deficiencies and possible violations of the select agent regulations, several types of enforcement actions can occur:Administrative actions: CDC can decide to suspend or revoke a registered entity's certificate of registration (a suspension can be for all work at a registered entity or be specific to particular agents or particular types of experiments). Also, CDC can deny an entity's application to possess, use, or transfer select agents; Referral to HHS-OIG: CDC can refer possible violations of the select agent regulations to HHS-OIG. HHS-OIG can levy civil monetary penalties (up to $250,000 for an individual for each violation and up to $500,000 for an entity for each violation) or recommend criminal enforcement (imprisonment for up to five years, a fine, or both). Referral to FBI: CDC can refer possible violations involving criminal negligence or a suspicious activity or person to the FBI for further investigation. As of September 25, 2007, CDC has referred 37 entities to HHS-OIG for violation of the select agent regulations (such as for unauthorized transfers and entities that are not registered with the Select Agent Program in possession of select agents). HHS-OIG has levied $837,000 in civil monetary penalties against ten (10) of the entities. For further information, please see the HHS-OIG Web site (http://oig.hhs.gov). HHS has not referred to DOJ any violations of the select agent regulations for criminal prosecution. Technical Assistance and Guidance Provided to Strengthen the ProgramWhile enforcing the select agent regulations is the CDC Select Agent Program's primary responsibility, the program also promotes laboratory safety and security by providing technical assistance and guidance to registered entities. Some of the technical assistance that CDC provides to registered entities includes having a primary point of contact assigned to each entity, development of frequently asked questions that are posted on the program website, and technical presentations at various conferences. The CDC Select Agent Program in collaboration with APHIS provides assistance and guidance to help the entire regulated community operate as safely and securely as possible. Some examples of the assistance that the CDC and APHIS Select Agent Programs have recently provided to the regulated community include: As mentioned previously, CDC and APHIS released a security guidance document to registered entities. CDC and APHIS released inspection checklists to assist registered entities in complying with the security, incident response, training, and recordkeeping requirements of the select agent regulations. CDC is further educating the entities about the regulations and the inspection process. It recently completed two training videos that explain the facility inspection process to the regulated community. In addition, CDC has proactively worked with registered entities in advance of hurricanes to ensure that all select agents are properly secured. For example, prior to the landfall of Hurricane Katrina in 2005, CDC contacted 11 registered entities located in Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama. CDC collected information regarding the entities' plans to safeguard select agents during and after the storm and informed the entities that CDC stood ready to expedite the emergency transfer of select agents should the need arise. CDC has taken similar action in 2006 and 2007 in anticipation of other hurricanes and predictable natural disasters (such as floods) that could affect public health and safety, to minimize risk and any impact on public health and safety. Program Activities and Results Accomplishments to Date. Since the publication of the select agent interim final rule in 2003 (followed by the final rule in 2005), CDC in collaboration with our Federal partners has (as of September 25, 2007): Conducted 607 inspections to ensure that appropriate security and safety measures are in place to deter the theft, loss, or release of select agents; Authorized 2,199 requests to transfer select agents; and Granted access approvals to 14,868 individuals to work with select agents, following a security risk assessment by CJIS. Reports of Theft, Loss, and Release CDC investigates all reports of theft, loss, or release of select agents to ensure that the public's health and safety are protected. It is important for the public to know that after careful investigation, no incidents reported at select agent laboratories were considered to be a public health threat. From 2003 until September 25, 2007, there have been one hundred five (105) incidents reported to CDC through the Select Agent Program's theft, loss, and release reporting system. As a result of follow-up investigations conducted by HHS, USDA, and the FBI regarding these reports, it was determined that there were: No confirmed losses of a select agent; No confirmed thefts of a select agent; and Three (3) confirmed releases of a select agent which were identified by illnesses in five (5) lab workers that had occurred as a result of working with these agents. Even in the best of laboratories, which follow all biosafety guidelines, accidents like a broken test tube or a needle stick can still occur, and we can expect that we will continue to receive reports of possible losses and releases of select agents. However, we believe we should always strive to eliminate all incidents. Appropriately contained and managed laboratories have multiple systems in place to ensure biosafety and have robust occupational health services in place to quickly mitigate the effect of any laboratory incident. We also believe that the security requirements put in place by the select agent regulations will continue to mitigate the possibility of a theft of a select agent. Moving Forward with Enhancing the Select Agent ProgramThe CDC Select Agent Program has accomplished much since the program began, but we are always looking for ways to improve. The Select Agent Program is a young program and it will continue to build upon its successes and learn from its challenges. CDC is committed to continuous program improvement to fulfill its mission. Lessons Learned Investigations of select agent registered entities have taught CDC some important lessons: We need improvements in our inspection process. Some of the improvements under consideration include: Expand the scope of interviews to include more types of laboratory workers during inspections, to better assess the implementation of policies and the quality of training; Examine more closely the implementation of biosafety, security, and incident response plans; Review a broader array of documents during our inspections, such as biosafety committee meeting minutes and occupational health records, to identify problems that may go unreported by registered entities; and Assess the composition of our inspection teams, the frequency of our inspections, and whether we need to apply a prioritization system to how often we inspect labs. We need improvements in our verification process. Whereas before we relied primarily upon documentation from entities to confirm that deficiencies were corrected, we plan to conduct more verification site visits. We need to provide additional outreach and training to the regulated community, including additional outreach and training to Responsible Officials and creation of additional guidance documents related to biosafety, incident response, record-keeping, and theft, loss, and release. The CDC Select Agent Program also must address the challenge of how the select agent regulations apply to emerging technologies, such as synthetic genomics and nanotechnology. With technology advancing at a rapid pace, CDC and its Federal partners need to constantly review the select agent regulations and our implementation of the regulations to ensure that we can respond to new threats and vulnerabilities. External Review of the CDC Select Agent Program In the coming year, CDC will commission an external peer review of the CDC Select Agent Program. The external group conducting the review will actively solicit the input of stakeholders and the general public. In addition to this external peer review, HHS-OIG is conducting an audit of CDC's management of its select agent program. We look forward to receiving the findings from that audit in 2008 and plan to carefully consider and implement HHS- OIG's recommendations. The select agent programs at CDC and APHIS, working in concert with DOJ, have greatly enhanced the nation's oversight of dangerous biological agents and toxins. Because of the efforts of the individuals in these programs, there is improved awareness of biosafety and biosecurity throughout the select agent community. The select agent regulations have helped ensure that research with select agents is conducted as safely and securely as possible. CDC and its Federal partners have accomplished much in the few years since the publication of the select agent regulations, but we must remain vigilant in ensuring laboratory safety and security. We will continue to enforce the regulations and provide technical assistance and guidance to the regulated community to ensure that the public's health and safety are protected. CDC greatly appreciates the support of this Subcommittee and the rest of the Congress in supporting its activities. We look forward to continuing our work with you on these important issues. Thank you for the opportunity to share this information with you. I am happy to answer any questions. ---------- Mr. Stupak. Thank you. Dr. Auchincloss? STATEMENT OF HUGH AUCHINCLOSS, M.D., DEPUTY DIRECTOR, NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ALLERGY AND INFECTIOUS DISEASES, NATIONAL INSTITUTES OF HEALTH, U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES Dr. Auchincloss. Mr. Chairman, members of the subcommittee, my name is Hugh Auchincloss and I am the Deputy Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, one of the National Institutes of Health. I am pleased to have the opportunity to discuss the expansion of NIH's biodefense research infrastructure. I have submitted written testimony but will highlight certain portions in these oral remarks. The anthrax attacks in 2001 were a sobering reminder that biologic agents can be used for terrorism. In addition, defense against naturally-emerging infections must be a top national priority. In February 2002, the NIH embarked on a systematic planning process for biodefense. We convened a blue ribbon panel made up of distinguished scientists representing academia, private industry and the Government. And we also conducted extensive discussions with other Federal agencies. Based on this input, we developed the NIAID Strategic Plan for Biodefense Research and other supporting documents. That blue ribbon panel noted that the shortage of BSL-3 and 4 laboratories was a major obstacle to accomplishing the objectives of the NIAID Biodefense Research agendas. NIAID then estimated the number of new facilities needed to accomplish our biodefense research objectives. Congress responded appropriating over $850 million for the construction of new BSL-3 and 4 facilities in four separate bills between 2002 and 2005. As a result, 14 new BSL-3 facilities and four new BSL-4 facilities are scheduled for completion within the next several years. During the development of our construction project, we have had literally hundreds of meetings in public forums to discuss our building program, the agents that will be studied there and to keep the public well informed. The NIH is committed to helping ensure that all biodefense research facilities operate safely with maximum protection of the public health. The safety standards for this type of research are best articulated in the Biosafety and Microbiological and Biomedical Laboratories Manual, this so- called BMBL. However, monitoring adherence to these good laboratory practices is complicated because multiple agencies are involved. You have already heard from Dr. Besser that much of the research in BSL-3 and 4 facilities involves select agents, which are regulated by CDC and other Government agencies. The NIH Office of Biotechnology Activities administers guidelines for research involving recombinant DNA and requires that Institutional Biosafety Committees, or IBCs, oversee this work at the local level. The IBCs first came into existence to oversee recombinant DNA research but many institutions have gradually broadened IBC responsibilities to include oversight of research involving all pathogens studied at BSL-3 and 4 levels. However, at this time, there is no Federal body that sets national standards or policies for this particular function of local IBCs. To enhance the effectiveness of the IBCs, as their role has evolved, the NIH has worked intensively with the IBC community through a program of outreach and education. Furthermore, each of the institutions receiving one of the new construction grants from NIAID has an IBC appropriately registered with NIH and each has willingly accepted responsibility for adhering to the BMBL standards. NIH is looking at ways to strengthen local and Federal oversight of facilities that conduct biodefense research. Clearly, the issues associated with this oversight are much larger than the NIH or even the Department of Health and Human Services. Biodefense research is conducted by many Government agencies. For that reason, the Department of Health and Human Services, the United States Department of Agriculture, the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Defense have already agreed to establish a trans-Federal task force to undertake, in consultation with other relevant agencies, an intensive analysis of the current biosafety framework and to develop a set of recommendations for improvement. Given the importance of biosafety for the country and its citizens, active participation from the public at large will be essential. The planned expansion of our infrastructure is needed if we are to fulfill our research agenda and protect the Nation from disease threats, be they deliberate or acts of nature. We have already made substantial progress in ways that I have outlined in my written testimony. Progress can occur more rapidly as the new facilities become available. Thank you very much and I will be happy to answer questions also. [The prepared statement of Dr. Auchincloss follows:] Statement of Hugh Auchincloss, M.D. Mr. Chairman and members of the Subcommittee, my name is Hugh Auchincloss and I am the Deputy Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), a component of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), an agency of the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). I am pleased to have the opportunity to discuss the NIH biodefense research program, including the expansion of the Nation's biodefense research infrastructure and the need to ensure that biodefense research is conducted safely. The anthrax attacks in 2001 were a sobering reminder that the threat of deliberately released microbes can be used as a form of terrorism. Moreover, naturally occurring microbial outbreaks pose a serious threat to domestic and global health. The experience with SARS in 2003 and the ongoing outbreaks of H5N1 avian influenza and extensively drug-resistant tuberculosis have reminded us that defense against naturally emerging microbes must be a top national priority. Congress has recognized the urgency of improving our defenses against emerging public health threats and has supported funding for such research. Within the broad Federal effort against emerging threats to public health, the role of the NIH is to conduct and support basic and applied research that will lead to new vaccines, drugs, and diagnostic tools. Expanding the Nation's Biodefense Research Capability In February 2002, the NIH embarked on a systematic planning process for its biodefense research program. It first convened the Blue Ribbon Panel on Bioterrorism and Its Implications for Biomedical Research, made up of distinguished scientists representing academia, private industry, and government. Based on the panel's advice and extensive discussions with other Federal agencies, the NIH developed three key documents to guide its biodefense research program: the NIAID Strategic Plan for Biodefense Research, the NIAID Research Agenda for Category A Agents, and the NIAID Research Agenda for Category B and C Agents. As a result of the strategic planning process, a clear consensus emerged that meeting the goals of the biodefense Research Agendas would require additional research infrastructure, especially research laboratories built to modern Biosafety Level 3 (BSL-3) and Biosafety Level 4 (BSL-4) standards. BSL-3 laboratories are used to study contagious agents that can be transmitted through the air and cause potentially lethal infection. BSL-4 laboratories are used to study agents that pose a high risk of life-threatening disease for which no vaccine or therapy is available; they incorporate all BSL-3 features and occupy safe, isolated zones within a larger building. There has been considerable discussion of how best to assess the extent of high-containment facilities that would be required in the United States in the public, academic and private sectors and for what purposes these varied facilities are used. Published estimates range from as few as 200 to as many as 1400 BSL-3 laboratories. (Many institutions maintain multiple facilities.) The explanation for this wide discrepancy is that an assessment of laboratory capacity depends on the definitions and sources of information used. Estimates at the high end, for example, include the many hospitals that maintain small areas that meet BSL-3 standards that can be used for testing clinical samples that might contain infectious agents. These are not ``research laboratories.'' Some hospitals, pharmaceutical companies, biotechnology firms, private reference laboratories and State public health laboratories also have facilities that meet BSL-3 standards, but these are not generally available for NIH-sponsored research. Finally, many BSL-3 facilities constructed before the mid-1990's cannot support research on select agents and on associated animal models. In 2002, NIAID determined that very little usable BSL-3 or BSL-4 research space was actually available for its academic scientists in the extramural research program. The Blue Ribbon Panel of 2002 noted the shortage of BSL-3 and BSL-4 laboratory space as a significant rate-limiting obstacle in accomplishing the objectives of the NIAID Biodefense Research Agendas. In response, NIAID estimated the new BSL-3 and BSL-4 facilities that would be required to accomplish the Research Agenda. Congress also recognized the critical need for new BSL-3/4 laboratories and responded quickly to supply the necessary resources to fulfill this need. In 2002, the Department of Defense and Emergency Supplemental Appropriations for Recovery from and Response to Terrorist Attacks on the Unites States Act, Public Law (P.L.) 107-117, appropriated $70 million for the construction and renovation of NIH intramural biocontainment facilities. The Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2003, P.L. 108-7, provided $372.6 million to NIAID for construction of extramural biocontainment facilities and $291 million for construction of additional intramural biocontainment facilities. Further, the Project BioShield Act of 2004 (P.L. 108-276), amended the Public Health Service Act to provide ongoing authority to NIAID to award grants and contracts for construction of research facilities. An additional $150 million was appropriated for NIAID in the 2005 consolidated appropriations act (P.L. 108-447) for extramural facilities construction grants. The NIH is now implementing a construction program that will complete 14 new BSL-3 facilities and 4 new BSL-4 facilities within the next several years. During this process, the NIH or its funded institutions have participated in literally hundreds of public forums on the nature and safety of the new facilities, and have submitted reports to Congress annually, along with periodic updates on our strategic plans. In addition, NIH leadership has discussed the infrastructure expansion with Congress on many occasions. And because NIH does not fund or conduct classified research, the title and substance of every research project funded by the NIH is publicly available. Another important aspect of the biodefense research infrastructure is a network of ten NIH-funded Regional Centers of Excellence for Biodefense and Emerging Infectious Diseases Research (RCEs). Created in 2003, these multidisciplinary academic research programs are located at institutions across the country and provide the scientific expertise for a wide- ranging biodefense research program, directed against deliberate and naturally-occurring threats, that will be pursued in the new facilities. NIH Role in Ensuring Safety The NIH is committed to helping ensure that all biodefense research facilities provide maximum protection for public health. The NIH is committed to the highest quality in the design and construction of these facilities, the rigorous training of the personnel that operate them, and the safe conduct of the research undertaken within them. To ensure that the new laboratories are designed and constructed to the highest standards, the NIAID works closely with each grantee institution. Highly experienced NIAID staff architects and engineers, with extensive experience in design of biocontainment facilities, are assisted by a Construction Quality Management group of contracted consultants with additional expertise. Together, these teams make certain that the finished projects will meet the regulations of HHS's Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Department of Agriculture's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (USDA/APHIS) for facilities that conduct research on select agents. The NIH also supports a vigorous biosafety and biocontainment training effort that has expanded substantially over the past five years. The National Biosafety and Biocontainment Training Program (NBBTP) is a partnership between the NIAID and the NIH Division of Occupational Health and Safety (DOHS), managed by a not-for-profit education and research foundation. The mission of this program is to prepare biosafety and biocontainment professionals of the highest caliber. The program offers two-year post-baccalaureate and post-doctoral fellowships at NIH's campus in Bethesda, Maryland, with both academic and hands-on training. The NBBTP has also provided training for containment laboratory operation and maintenance personnel across the country. In addition to this program, NIAID funds 28 Institutional Training Grants in Biodefense, and the RCEs conduct extensive training in biosafety and biocontainment. At the RCE at Emory University in Atlanta, for example, trainees from across the country regularly participate in BSL-3 and BSL-4 training in mock laboratories, constructed specifically for training purposes. When these new facilities are ready for operation, NIH is committed to ensuring that the research conducted within them is performed safely. The most widely used guidance on the safe conduct of this research is the Biosafety in Microbiological and Biomedical Laboratories Manual (BMBL), which was first produced jointly in 1984 by the NIH and CDC and which is now in its fifth edition and available online. Monitoring adherence to good laboratory practices is a complex process because multiple agencies are involved. Much of the research in BSL-3 and BSL-4 facilities involves pathogens that have been designated as select agents. CDC and APHIS have the responsibility for regulating the possession, use, and transfer of select agents. For research that involves recombinant DNA, the select agent regulations incorporate the NIH Guidelines for Research Involving Recombinant DNA Molecules (Recombinant DNA Guidelines) as a consideration in the entity's development of its biosafety plan. The NIH Office of Biotechnology Activities (OBA), with advice and guidance from the NIH Recombinant DNA Advisory Committee (RAC), is responsible for implementation of the Recombinant DNA Guidelines, which outlines biosafety and containment standards for research involving recombinant DNA. Also, the select agent regulations require that restricted experiments, such as the deliberate transfer of a drug-resistant trait to a select agent, must be approved by CDC or APHIS prior to initiation. However, some research conducted in BSL-3 facilities involves neither select agents nor recombinant DNA. Local institutional bodies play a very important role in oversight of many aspects of biomedical research. For example, oversight to protect human subjects in clinical studies is provided by local Institutional Review Boards (IRBs), and in the case of animal research, oversight to ensure humane treatment is provided by the Institutional Animal Care and Use Committees (IACUCs). The NIH Guidelines mandate that Institutional Biosafety Committees (IBCs) oversee recombinant DNA research, but many institutions have gradually broadened IBC responsibilities to include oversight of research involving all pathogens studied at BSL-3 and BSL-4 levels. At this time there is no Federal body that sets national standards or policies for this function of local IBCs, and adherence to BMBL guidelines for BSL-3 and BSL-4 research is voluntary; however, the select agents regulations require regulated entities to comply with the BMBL guidelines or equivalent standards. The NIH is deeply concerned about recent reports of accidents occurring in BSL-3 facilities. When these events involve recombinant DNA, they are reported to the OBA, and a root cause analysis is done so that NIH can assess the adequacy of the institution's response and work with the institution to put mechanisms in place to mitigate the chance of a reoccurrence. To enhance all of the functions of the IBCs, the NIH has worked intensively with the IBC community. These efforts have included an extensive program of outreach and education, involving frequent day-long training sessions, exhibits at major scientific conferences, policy guidances, educational resources for institutions to use in local training, and other means. Furthermore, each of the institutions receiving one of the new facilities construction grants from NIAID has an IBC appropriately registered with NIH and each has willingly accepted responsibility for adhering to BMBL standards. The NIH is examining ways to strengthen local and Federal oversight of facilities that conduct NIH-funded research. The issues associated with oversight of research in BSL-3 and BSL-4 facilities transcend the NIH, or even the HHS. Biodefense research involving BSL-3 and BSL-4 facilities is conducted by many government agencies, including the Department of Defense (DoD), the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), and the USDA, as well as by universities and biotechnology companies. As I noted earlier, BSL-3 facilities exist in hospitals for routine handling of clinical samples. It is important to devise a framework that improves oversight, training, and reporting to enhance safety without causing unintended negative consequences for either patient care or the biodefense research program. For that reason, HHS, USDA, DHS, and DoD have already agreed to establish a Trans-Federal Task Force to undertake, in consultation with other relevant agencies, an intensive analysis of the current biosafety framework and to develop a set of recommendations for improvement. Given the critical importance of biosafety to protecting public health and the concerns that the high containment facilities engender among local communities, active participation in this process from the public at large will be essential. Support for infrastructure for biodefense research is essential if we are to fulfill our biodefense research agenda and protect the Nation from disease threats, be they deliberate or acts of nature. We have already made substantial progress with the facilities now available. For example, NIH-funded scientists have developed a safer second-generation smallpox vaccine called ACAM2000 and a very promising new smallpox drug named ST-246. Investigators have developed and tested a new anthrax vaccine called rPA and have achieved promising results with antibodies capable of neutralizing anthrax toxins. They have developed first- and second-generation vaccines against Ebola virus, and investigated a promising Ebola therapy based on RNA interference. These and many other advances required the use of containment facilities of the type that are now under construction. Progress should occur more rapidly as the new facilities become available. NIH-funded biodefense researchers are acutely aware of the threat posed by the pathogens they study. These experts understand the need to handle them with utmost care, the need for rigorous training and state-of-the-art equipment, and the need to scrupulously follow all required procedures. Their awareness also includes a deep understanding that the Nation's biosecurity depends on their work, which is the conduct of research that will lead to new tools essential to meet emerging and re-emerging threats to public health.Thank you for this opportunity to discuss this very important issue with you. I will be happy to answer questions. ---------- Mr. Stupak. Thank you. Captain or Dr. Chosewood, an opening? Dr. Chosewood. No. Mr. Stupak. OK. We will go to questions. Dr. Besser, if we can start with you please. There is a thing called restricted experiments, right, which pose extraordinary risks? Dr. Besser. Yes, sir. Mr. Stupak. And you have to apply for a permit to do these restricted experiments? Dr. Besser. That is correct. Mr. Stupak. Where are these restricted experiments carried out, at level 3 labs or level 4 labs? Dr. Besser. Yes, they are conducted in select agent laboratories, primarily at level 3 and 4. Mr. Stupak. OK. And how many applications do you receive for these restricted experiments on an average each year? Dr. Besser. Approximately five or six. Mr. Stupak. Five or six. If these are restricted experiments or the ones that impose extraordinary risk and if you only get five or six of these, why would we want to increase all these labs then? Dr. Besser. When you look at the breadth of work that takes place in select agent laboratories, it is a very small part of that work that would be classified as a restricted experiment. The vast majority of the work does not fall within the category of restricted experimentation. Mr. Stupak. OK. Well, before 2001, we had three of these labs, level 4 labs, we are now up to 15. How many labs do we need at level 4? Dr. Besser. We are at the anniversary of that anthrax attack and at that time I was in Boca Raton working with the FBI investigating that outbreak. I spent 2 weeks in the Winnebago with them. And during that time, I can tell you that we were pretty scared about our ability to deliver countermeasures to people who might need them. Mr. Stupak. OK. But how many labs do we need, or do we need more Winnebagos? Dr. Besser. I can tell you based on my experience in that event and my experience previously as head of the branch at CDC that does anthrax work, that there was a limitation on our ability to develop countermeasures based on the number of labs. I cannot tell you though how many labs we need. Mr. Stupak. But to develop countermeasure does not mean necessarily more labs, right? Dr. Besser. Well, when you look at what it takes to develop a countermeasure, these measures need to be tested and much of that work, in terms of testing, requires animal testing. That type of work does require high-containment laboratories. Mr. Stupak. OK. Dr. Auchincloss, let me ask you then because you said you have the distinguished panel. There was strategic planning of the three or four level labs and you indicated there were not enough labs. Dr. Auchincloss. That is correct, sir. Mr. Stupak. So did the panel recommend how many labs we needed then? Dr. Auchincloss. The panel recommended a research agenda. It did not recommend, specifically, the number of new facilities that would be needed. Mr. Stupak. Would the research agenda then dictate the number of labs we need in this country? Dr. Auchincloss. The research agenda was what we used to determine the number of new facilities needed in the country. Mr. Stupak. OK. So you used the research agenda to determine the number of labs we need in this country. Is that what you said? Dr. Auchincloss. That is what I said. Mr. Stupak. So how many level 3 labs do we need in this country? Dr. Auchincloss. We determined, on the basis of that research agenda, that between 10 and 15 BSL-3 facilities were needed for the extramural community. Mr. Stupak. Ten to 15. Dr. Auchincloss. And at least two level 4 facilities for the extramural community. Mr. Stupak. OK. We had three. We are now up to 15. So it should be five, so we got 10 too many level 4 labs? Dr. Auchincloss. Sir, the estimates that the NIH has put together refer to the needs for the scientists that the NIH funds. Mr. Stupak. Sure. Dr. Auchincloss. And we are not trying to claim that our planning applies to other Government agencies or other funding agencies. Mr. Stupak. So you only want five labs total then to do what NIH wants to do? Dr. Auchincloss. NIH determined that it needed between 10 and 15 BSL-3 facilities. Mr. Stupak. Right. And two more level 4. Dr. Auchincloss. And two level 4 for the extramural community. Mr. Stupak. Correct. Dr. Auchincloss. And then we actually determined that we have two additional level 4 facilities for the intramural program that can be worked. Mr. Stupak. So your scientific panel only looked at what NIH's needs were. Dr. Auchincloss. Our scientific panel only looked at what the NIH research agenda would be. Mr. Stupak. Did CDC do the same things, take a look at what you thought was necessary? Dr. Besser. No, sir. CDC looked at its own needs in terms of the work that we do in diagnostics and that lead to the expansion at CDC in our level 4 capabilities. Mr. Stupak. OK. So the CDC then determined you needed so many level 4 for your work you do in this area? Dr. Besser. That is correct. Mr. Stupak. And how many is that, level 4 labs? Dr. Besser. Four additional laboratories at CDC. Mr. Stupak. Four more additional labs at CDC. So it looks like every agency is making their own assessment and doing their own thing basically, right? Dr. Besser. I think that there is room for a more comprehensive look at our national needs in both of these areas. Mr. Stupak. Well, if you got 15 different agencies, was your other testimony, you are up to four. If we did five, four at each one, four times 15 is 60. We would need 60 more level 4 labs if every agency did their own assessment. Is anyone in control ball? Who should be in control? It sounds like CDC, in your testimony, Dr. Besser, are the ones who do the protocol; you are the ones that do the inspections. Should you be in charge of all the labs of all the agencies? Dr. Besser. I think that the process that Dr. Auchincloss referred to in his oral statement of pulling together an intra- governmental group, pulling together a blue ribbon panel to look at the activities in BSL-3 and BSL-4 facilities will help to address that issue. I think that CDC is effectively executing its mission around the select agent program. But as we have heard, that does not cover all of the organisms that need to be handled safely and securely in laboratories. Mr. Stupak. Well, let me ask this. It seems like from where I am sitting, over a billion dollars have been spent on labs that we know of. No one can tell me how many labs that we have, the quantity of stuff we are looking at, the quality of stuff we are looking at that could be a threat to this country. It seems like if we put the money out there then germs will come, so we will build these labs. I mean, what has really changed since the fall, other than anthrax, OK? Other than that, what has really changed that would require this proliferation of labs that agencies double and triple in labs they have. Is there a greater threat to us? If so, should we not be putting the money into research as to most all labs? So what has changed in the last 5 years, other than more money available? Can someone answer that? Dr. Besser. I will start and you can follow. I think 2001 was a wake up call; and it was a wake up call in terms of anthrax. But it was a wake up call beyond that and it forced a look at what are the potential agents that could be used deliberately and what are our abilities to respond with either vaccines or treatments for those conditions. That lead to issue of legislation and a push to develop countermeasures. Mr. Stupak. True. Dr. Besser. But as part of that, there was a move to expand the laboratory capability to be able to address those needs. In addition to that, if we look at our overall preparedness efforts around the country, there has been developed something called the Laboratory Response Network, which is not doing research but it does have BSL-3 capabilities in order to be able to rapidly diagnose these type of serious infections we are talking about to allow communities to respond faster. We are now at a point where 90 percent of the U.S. population lives within 100 miles of one of these facilities and it has created, I think, a laboratory infrastructure that is critical to our preparedness and response. Mr. Stupak. But preparedness would be a countermeasure, a medical countermeasure to like anthrax. Have we seen any counterterrorism, medical counterterrorism measures to defeat anthrax. We still have not determined the strain from 2001, according to the last panel, as the one that killed five people and sickened 20 others. Dr. Besser. There has been a lot of work done in the area of anthrax, vaccine work and countermeasures. CDC has undertaken a study looking at the existing anthrax vaccine to try and reduce the number of doses that are required to confirm protection. In addition, NIH has supported extensive work in developing vaccines for anthrax that might be much safer. Mr. Stupak. When was the last time you updated the selected list, the selected agents? Dr. Besser. The last time was August 28 of this year. We published in the Federal Register and it is still open for comment, the latest revisions to the select agent list. Mr. Stupak. Is SARS going to be one of these select agents? Dr. Besser. SARS was considered by the committee. If I could explain the process by which agents are considered? There is an intergovernmental committee called the ISATTAG. That is the Intergovernmental Select Agent and Toxin Technical Advisory Group. It contains representation from all the Federal agencies that do work with select agents: CDC, NIH, FDA. Mr. Stupak. This group met in August this year. When did it meet before August of this year? Dr. Besser. Well, the notice went out in August. Mr. Stupak. OK. They met this year. When did they meet before this year? Dr. Besser. The ISATTAG not only reviews the select agent list for our program, but they also review proposals for restricted experiments, as was discussed earlier. And the ISATTAG meets on an ad hoc basis, typically four or five times a year as needed when issues come up. Mr. Stupak. OK. Now, getting to the issue asked about SARS. Dr. Besser. No, select agents. Mr. Stupak. OK. You met four to five times. SARS is a select agent. The hantavirus is not a select agent. And there is one other, dengue fever. These are all we have no cure for. If they break out, people can die. Dr. Besser. Right. Mr. Stupak. It seems like you are building the labs but no one is doing anything about getting a list and trying to restrict the research of the most dangerous things that could cause most harm to us and spend, what, 5, 6 years. Dr. Besser. Each of those agents has been considered and was not included on the list. There are 14 criteria that are looked at when considering an agent for the select agent list. When the SARS epidemic first occurred and we knew very little about that virus, it was being handled in BSL-4 facilities. When the ISATTAG looks at the science around an agent and whether it should be considered a select agent, we look at the degree of pathogenicity, how bad an infection does it cause, how easy is it to transmit person-to-person, how easy is it to spread within a community, what is the route of exposure, how stable is it in the environment, how easy would it be for somebody to produce that agent, can it be genetically manipulated or altered because there are long term---- Mr. Stupak. SARS does not make it then? Dr. Besser. Well, SARS did not make it to that list and if you---- Mr. Stupak. Since the fall of 2001, have you added any more agents to this select list? Select list first came out, what, in 1996? Dr. Besser. Yes. In October 2005. Mr. Stupak. How many have you added since the fall of 2001? Dr. Besser. The 1918 influenza virus was added in October 2005. Mr. Stupak. OK. We had flu. Did you add anything else? I am trying to justify all this money and all these labs. If we have a select agent list in 1996 at 72 and we add one, we get up to 73 maybe; how do we justify a proliferation of all these labs? Dr. Besser. Well, the work being done in those laboratories is not necessarily being done just on the new agent, 1918 flu. But it is acknowledging the lack of work or the need for work with some of the existing agents. Mr. Stupak. Correct. And Congress' charge was to develop countermeasures to make America safe. And if the list has not grown more agents that we should be concerned about but yet we have probably 10 times more labs than we had before then. Again, it goes back to look like we are building labs and hoping the germs will come. That is my concern. Mr. Green for questions. Mr. Green. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. When you let off by asking how many Winnebagos we need, our colleague, Mike Ross on our committee keeps talking about all those FEMA trailers we have in some field in Arkansas. Maybe we can put wheels on them and get them. I thank our panel for being here and appreciate your work. Coming from Texas, we certainly have been following the news accounts on instances in the Texas biosafety labs. One of the news articles quotes a laboratory expert who compared lab settings to hospital settings and noted that infections are not entirely unexpected. Generally, where are the risks in this line of work and would you say that they are primary to the lab worker or would it be to the broader community? Dr. Chosewood. Obviously, we are concerned about infections or releases in any setting because safety is a vital component of all laboratory work for certain. The vast majority of incidents that have occurred and given the vast amount of work that has gone on, we believe that the actual number of events is very small. But when those events have occurred, they have affected primarily the laboratory workers. The select agents folks can give you some specific numbers on the amount of workers who have acquired infection. But the risk to the environment, in all of those cases, has been non-existent in our opinion. Mr. Green. OK. Another course of questions of safety are of utmost concern, but I also want to make sure that we have a measured and thoughtful reaction to the incidents we hear about. Of course, we want 100 percent safety but based on the incidents to date, the expert indicated that he was not certain the problems reached the level of a crisis. Can you share your thoughts on that issue, and would you agree or disagree with that statement whether it had reached that level of crisis? Dr. Besser. I think it is critically important that we move forward very quickly to convene an intergovernmental group and look at a process for reviewing how lab safety oversight is now provided and we are committed to doing that. I think that the work of this committee in shedding light on issues about safety will help move the entire field forward and we welcome an opportunity to see the GAO report and the preliminary report and their recommendations because I think that as a young program, there is a lot we can learn and there is a lot we can do to improve our oversight. Mr. Green. Well, I know our Oversight and Investigation Subcommittee, we do not do legislation but typically will refer to our the committee's Health Subcommittee, for example, and I look forward to working with you and I know our full committee does. Based on the incident reports received by the CDC, what is the primary source of the incidents in the biosafety labs? Can you attribute it to accidents, the human or engineering design flaws? Dr. Besser. The vast majority of events involve human error. That is why it is so important that individuals, like your daughter, are well trained if they are going to be working in a laboratory; that they have the right equipment for the type of experiment that they are doing; that that experiment has been designed to minimize the amount of risk; and that their engineering controls, in case that individual makes an error, it does not get outside of the laboratory. Mr. Green. OK. Our GAO witness mentioned the CDC biosafety microbiological and the biomedical laboratories guide, as well as the importance of training lab staff. Specifically, Dr. Rose mentioned that BMBL's guidelines that personnel must receive training on potential hazard and precautions. Can you elaborate on that training guideline? Is there a mandate for that guideline for level 3 and 4 or is it to all the levels of these labs? Dr. Besser. You want to comment on that, Dr. Weyant? Dr. Weyant. With respect to the regulated select agent community, select agent laboratories are required to have a biosafety plan, along with a security plan and an incident response plan. They are required to train their staff in accordance with these plans and they are also required to perform drills on an annual basis. As part of our inspection regime through the CDC select agent program, we review training records when we inspect entities. Mr. Green. OK. I would like to carry forward and since I am almost out of time, Dr. Weyant, I am interested in clarifying the type of agents that are being researched in the BSL-3 and BSL-4 labs. Our witness on our fourth panel has referred to these agents as biological weapons agents. A term that certainly elicits strong reaction from the public. My understanding, however, is that these are not actually weapons agents by definition, rather they are infections agents occurring naturally in nature. Is it fair to assume that the BSL-4 labs are necessarily working on biological weapons agents and can you clarify the distinction of the two? Dr. Weyant. Well, it depends on usage. An agent such as bacillus anthracis, the agent that causes anthrax, exists in the environment. It exists in soil in many parts of the world. However, the agent can be grown up and purified and weaponized as was demonstrated in the events beginning October 4, so it is difficult to take a single organism on this list and say it is absolutely a weapons agent or it is absolutely a naturally- occurring agent. I would say it is fair to say that for the agents listed on this list, it is possible that they could be both. Dr. Besser. If I could add to that. Mr. Green. Please. Dr. Besser. Currently CDC is assisting States on investigation of cases of anthrax in Connecticut, cases of botulism in the Southeast, cases of tularemia in the Southwest. These are all agents that are select agents and it is important that they have laboratories that can diagnose those. But in their naturally-occurring form, they are not something that could readily be used in a biological attack. But in these laboratories we can learn about those agents and we can work to improve our diagnosis, which is critical, and help to develop treatments. Mr. Green. OK. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Stupak. But in response to that last question, especially on botulism, the FDA's response was that it closed down six of their 13 labs. Mr. Green. I think those make sense, which was just said. Mr. Stupak. Botulism. If we are going to find it, FDA has responsibility but they want to close six of the 13 labs. Should not we add food safety to CDC then? Dr. Besser. There are different roles in FDA. We have a primary role in terms of investigating outbreaks related to botulism and distributing the botulism antitoxin. And to succeed in that mission, we have to ensure that we have rapid diagnostics. Currently, our laboratories at CDC are working on a new ELISA test, which is rapid test for diagnosing botulism that will have natural applications, as well as applications if there were deliberant events. Mr. Stupak. Right. I do not disagree with you with that last statement but if the FDA, who is responsible for it, is closing the labs and you guys are opening more labs, it seems like the agencies--no one is in charge here. Everyone is doing their own thing. With that, let me turn it over to Mr. Burgess for questions please. Mr. Burgess. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I apologize for being out of the room for a while. I know I pledged to you earlier today that I would not desert you through this hearing and my State delegation called and they actually rank a little higher than you, Mr. Chairman. Let me just follow up and listening to the chairman's questions, Dr. Besser, in the room outside, on the select list, the select agent list, that is developed, SARS is not on that list. Is there a downside to having an agent on that list? Does it in any way inhibit research, inhibit the evaluation of the agent? Is there a research-oriented reason not to put an agent on that list? Is it going to make it more difficult for the scientists to do their job? And actually, whoever feels that they can answer the question. Dr. Weyant, that is fine. Dr. Weyant. Thank you, sir. Yes, there is a downside to doing work in a highly-regulated environment. There are extensive record keeping requirements that we have for select agent laboratories. There are extensive security requirements. As was discussed earlier this morning, individuals who apply to work with select agents have to undergo a Department of Justice security clearance procedure, whereas individuals that would not work on a select agent, do not have to undergo that. So there is a downside to working in a highly-regulated environment. There is a lot more paperwork and it is more resource intensive. Mr. Burgess. I referenced SARS earlier because of the rapidity with which you guys, all of you at the table, made the designation of a coronavirus previously reported and causing human disease, came from a remote area in China, spread on planes from people coming over here. Really relatively unsophisticated tools that beat back the threat of this epidemic and I do not want to see us, Mr. Chairman, do anything on this committee that would rob us of that ability and I cannot say that anyone new going into that epidemic that we are going to be able to beat this with epidemiology and quarantine. But at the same time, because of the work that you do, the scientific ground work that you did early on in that investigation, lead you to the conclusion that we have tools on a shelf that we can beat this with and they, in fact, are the same tools that were available in 1918 and let us get busy and do them. In fact, I was really concerned, not to pick on the CDC but you guys had a scientist get sick over in China; and he got put on a Lear jet and brought back over to this country and I think refueled two or three times coming back over here. I called the CDC back in 2003 very concerned about is this the best way to be handling a suspected case of SARS, putting them on an airplane with the recirculating air that is present on an airplane, worrying about the exposure to people, perhaps the ground based operators who would be involved in refueling that plane and doing it for service that was required at the various stops it made back to this country. It turned out the scientist did not have SARS. While I appreciate your dedication to bringing one of your own back who was ill, I must admit I was terribly concerned. Turns out that that concern was misplaced. Again, I just do not want us to do anything that undermines your ability to do your job because often times you do not know what it is you are going up against and you are literally walking across a bridge as you are building it. And we just have to be very careful that we do not stymie that creativity and that ability to respond. But that does lead me to the question that I asked the previous panel before and if you wanted to place us on a continuum of exposure to safety, obviously we were at one place in 2001 when the anthrax attacks on the Senate occurred, have we moved on that continuum forward or back in the 6 years that have passed since that time? Dr. Weyant. I think we have moved forward and I think we have moved forward because we now have a program in place that is really requiring a lot of laboratories that are working on select agents. The area of select agents, as has been said, does not cover the full spectrum of germs that can be harmful. But we did not have in place a program that required a detailed background check for individuals who work with these agents. We did not have a program that required approval and required inspections, that required documentation of safety, as well as security methods. So that is an improvement. There is a lot more that can be done and this process of this committee is raising really important issues that we need to address. I can tell you about the CDC's ability to move people who are potentially infectious has improved. By early spring, we will have a self-contained biocontainment unit that we will fit in the CDC plane that will allow for transport of a passenger safely. Again, it is critical, especially when we do not know what we are dealing with, like the beginning of the SARS epidemic, that we are able to use engineering controls to protect the public. Mr. Burgess. True. Well, that is very reassuring to hear that. Mr. Chairman, I just also have to mention, last year when I was taking a trip to Iraq, I think it was one trip with Mr. Green and I took a side trip to Geneva to visit what was going on with the World Health Organization. At that time, we were all real concerned about the bird flu. And CDC had their people on the ground in Geneva, in the, I do not know what you call it, the whatever it is, the biologic room, and it is an impressive amount of work. And that is impressive protection provided by American scientists on loan to the World Health Organization. Not the World Health Organization, directive of the CDC but American scientists on loan. And they went through the day's reports with me. It was absolutely astounding the breath, the scope, the danger that people were in having to go to remote areas and ferret out the symptoms that had come to their attention that might be indicative of something much more serious. So, Mr. Chairman, unless we get too complacent or smug up here that these are not real illnesses, real issues, I mean, these guys are on the front line and I believe they are committed to doing a good job. I just want us to be able to give the tools, deliver the tools to them that they need. Mr. Stupak. Dr. Besser, on your page four of your testimony the statement is made that the NIAID estimated the new BSL-3 and BSL-4 facilities would be required to accomplish the research agenda. Our committee has asked for a copy of that assessment. When will you provide that copy of the assessment? Dr. Besser. We will work with your committee to provide that as soon as we can. Mr. Stupak. Yes, but we would have liked it before the hearing, that is why I am asking, so get it to us, OK? Dr. Besser. Yes, sir. Mr. Stupak. All right. Second, let me ask you this question. When you are working with SARS, as has been brought up, bird flu to plague or Ebola, safety should be paramount. Do you feel that the community where these labs are located and first responders in these communities should be notified of what agents are being studied at those labs? Dr. Besser. I think that is an important question and I think it is critically important that communities are aware that laboratories are in their community, that they have been engaged as part of the decision as to whether a laboratory is being placed. When it comes to specifics about what agents are in the laboratory, I think that is a difficult question and one that is hard to answer. There is the importance of transparency but there is also the issue of letting individuals who may want to do harm know where certain agents are located and both of those have to be weighed. Mr. Stupak. OK. So you said, well, they should know about the lab but not necessarily the agents being studied there. But should the public then be made aware or notified of the shift of a lab from a level 3 to a level 4, like you may be doing down in Bethesda? Should that community be made known that it is going to go from a level 3 to a level 4? Dr. Besser. I think that is an important question. I am looking forward to guidance on some of these issues from our review process. I think that we have to weigh the issue of sharing information that could do harm to a community versus being open about what is going on. And I think that the more trust that the community has that the labs are being run safely, the less that is an issue. But I do not think that we are where we need to be in terms of that level of trust. Mr. Stupak. You think we are there at the level of safety? Dr. Besser. I think that the laboratories that are being built, these state of the art laboratories, are extremely safe. That does not mean that an error will not occur. Mr. Stupak. Yes, your own CDC lab in Atlanta was supposed to have redundancy in the electricity event when the lightening stuck. Everything shut down in a level 4 lab. You did not have the redundancy that was required and that is a brand new lab. Dr. Besser. Dr. Chosewood? Dr. Chosewood. Sure. I would love to comment on that. In fact, we believe that the GAO findings about the lack of redundant power is absolutely incorrect. Mr. Stupak. It is incorrect? Dr. Chosewood. Yes, sir. Mr. Stupak. You should have just one power source at a level 4 lab, is that what you are saying? Dr. Chosewood. No, but in fact, that is not the case. The power outage in our building 18 laboratory occurred as a result of an error. Mr. Stupak. A lightning strike, right? Dr. Chosewood. A lightning strike to the building. Mr. Stupak. Yes. Dr. Chosewood. And unfortunately, the lightning protection system in that building had been interrupted by ongoing construction nearby. And so the power failure in that instance was completely appropriate. It was as if you were having a power surge in your own home. Mr. Stupak. So you think---- Dr. Chosewood. And if that were the case---- Mr. Stupak. Power outages at level 4 labs are certainly appropriate? Dr. Chosewood. No, I did not say that. One of the things that I think is important is to imagine a power surge in your own home and you have a breaker that trips appropriately. That is exactly what occurred in this situation. And that is what you would want. Mr. Stupak. The backup system cable was cut, was not it? Dr. Chosewood. This was an interruption of the lightning protection system but not the backup cable for power. Mr. Stupak. So then why did not the back up one come on then? Dr. Chosewood. Because it was not supposed to in an overload situation like a lightning strike. So basically at the time of the lab--we should tell you that we had no active work going on. The maximum containment labs in building 18 are actually not functional at this point. But even if they had been functional, there are multiple systems of safety in place to avoid escape of any dangerous pathogens. Mr. Stupak. But if you do not have any power, those backup systems are not going to work. Dr. Chosewood. No, I would disagree because the facilities are designed to withstand higher levels of containment than the typical space. These are pressurized areas. If you have a power loss in a maximum containment laboratory, the actual air flow goes neutral, it does not become positive. You do not have the escape of that air in the lab to the outside. Mr. Stupak. OK. Dr. Chosewood. Backup power is important. It is a critical thing but that was not the case here and our laboratories do have backup power. Mr. Stupak. Well, GOA tends to disagree with all you said but that is the information we have to work with, to share information with us and then maybe we can get some of this squared away. You mention audits. Let me just ask about an audit. Do you do any surprise inspections of these labs? Do they know when you are coming to inspect the labs? Dr. Weyant. The select agent regulations give us the authority to do surprise inspections. Mr. Stupak. Yes, but you do it? Dr. Weyant. As a rule, we do not do surprise inspections. Mr. Stupak. Well, if they know when you are coming, it is pretty easy to pass inspection. Is that what happened at A&M? You guys were right there, you guys approved everything, some minor things were out of hand and if it wasn't for this Sunshine Project, we never would have found out about the instance there, right? Dr. Weyant. Yes, I think the issue of unannounced inspections is something we need to consider as we look at improvements in our program. I would rather not get into the details of Texas A&M given that they have been referred to the Inspector General to assess whether civil or criminal penalties may---- Mr. Stupak. I am not here to dump on A&M but I am just trying to say, without any kind of surprise inspection system, how are you going to know? I mean, you said documentation. How do you know if the documentation is valid? I mean, this Sunshine Project went through a Freedom of Information, went to the State agencies and found the information you should have been looking for and you were just there. So, I mean, if Sunshine can do it, why cannot you who are responsible for inspections figure out a way to double check, to truly audit, to be truly independent what we are all doing. Dr. Weyant. With each one of these events, we learn and we look to make improvements. And from our experience with Texas A&M and other institutions, there are additional documents, employee health records and such, that we will be looking at. Mr. Stupak. OK. Dr. Weyant. We will be looking to expand the pool of people that we interview and we look for, again---- Mr. Stupak. Let me go to Mr. Burgess to see if he has anything further. We have got 5 minutes before we have to run down for two votes. We should be able to get right back and we can---- Mr. Burgess. I know they will hold the votes for you, Mr. Chairman, so we will take the 5 minutes. Mr. Stupak. Sure. Mr. Burgess. Can I just ask a question for really anyone on the CDC side? If we find a problem, as was encountered at Texas A&M, should we not encourage a system that would promote voluntary reporting? You've got an issue, confess your sin, work on correcting it rather than a system that truly punitive. Design the system more like NASA, more like what we see with the nuclear submarine program that has such a proactive safety record. Dr. Besser. I think that is a very creative idea and something we need to explore. We do not want to have a system in place that actually leads to less transparency in reporting because of fear of penalties. We want a system where laboratories can learn from each other to prevent these from happening in the future. Mr. Burgess. Dr. Auchincloss, if I could ask you just in regard to NIH and funding for the NIH. Of course, you know this committee went through a rather lengthy and involved reauthorization process that culminated last year in December and finally just sent it to--work and we got a bill passed that reauthorized the NIH for the next 5 years, funding at about $30 billion a year to increase by 5 percent a year. We took a lot of grief for only increasing your budget by 5 percent every year and yet this year the House passed labor NIH's budget is about a 2.3 percent increase, if my arithmetic is correct. Is that your understanding as well? Dr. Auchincloss. That is my understanding. Mr. Burgess. So why have you all not been more outspoken about not receiving your full authorized funding increase at NIH? Clearly, we are at a time in our Nation's history where if anyone needs a funding, you guys need the funding. We authorized a 5 percent increase. Again, we were criticized for it not being a 7 or 9 or 10 percent increase and we only managed to come up with 2.3 this year. Dr. Auchincloss. We have research agendas for extreme drug- resistant tuberculosis, further work on influenza, such where we could spend the money. Mr. Burgess. Well, no question you can spend the money but really it is a question of planning too. How can you obligate or ask a young scientist to obligate their life to you when you are not sure that your funding stream is going to be steady? That was the whole purpose in reauthorizing the NIH budget last year. That is why we went through that long laborious process. I would just ask the NIH to help us make certain that your funding requirements receive no less the attention than every other thing that we deal with on this committee, whether it be the FDA regulation of tobacco or the lyrics of rap songs. Your work is every bit as important as that work and I want to hear from you. When we are not doing our job at the funding level, goodness knows, I heard from everyone last year, where were all your groups this year? Where was the NIH when your funding was cut by half, by over 50 percent, your funding increase was cut by over 50 percent, where was the involvement of the NIH? Dr. Auchincloss. I got your point, Congressman, I do. Mr. Burgess. Very well. And you'll deliver that to Dr. Zerning? Thank you. Mr. Stupak. Less construction, more research. With that said, we will be at recess for about 10 minutes. We have two votes. This panel is dismissed. Thank you. [Recess.] Mr. Stupak. Witness to come forward. That is Dr. Ed Davis, president of Texas A&M University. Dr. Davis, it is the policy of this subcommittee to take all testimony under oath. Please be advised witnesses have a right under the rules of the House to have counsel present and to be represented by counsel at this time. Do you have counsel with you, sir? Mr. Davis. No. Mr. Stupak. OK. Witness indicates no. So then I would ask you to please rise, raise your right hand. [Witness sworn.] Mr. Stupak. Thank you, sir. Let the record reflect that the witness has replied in the affirmative. He is now under oath. Dr. Davis, you'll have 5 minutes for an opening statement. You may submit a longer statement for the record if you wish. Dr. Davis, we'd like to have your opening statement please, sir. STATEMENT OF ED DAVIS, INTERIM PRESIDENT, TEXAS A&M UNIVERSITY Mr. Davis. Mr. Chairman and Ranking Member Barton, subcommittee members, my name is Ed Davis. I am president of Texas A&M University. As a brief point of personal privilege, I would like to acknowledge Mr. Barton's long service to the State of Texas, his district and to his alma mater, Texas A&M, as well as Mr. Chet Edwards, who accompanied me this morning here, who is our 17th Congressional District Congressman. You might legitimately ask why the president of Texas A&M is here. I am not a microbiologist. I am not a doctor. I am not even a lawyer. But the answer is really pretty simple. Texas A&M has a proud heritage of scientific research. In fact, our 131st birthday is today and we have had a long history of providing service to our country. More importantly, however, is we have a history of being an honest, high-integrity and forthright institution in doing everything that is right. I am here today as president to make four important points for the record. Number 1, we made a mistake. We failed to report an exposure to a select agent, Brucella, in a timely manner. The details of the incident are contained in my written testimony and I am pleased to give any additional details that you may wish. I am satisfied through our internal review that this was due to human error. It was compounded by a failure to have adequate protocols and redundant controls in place to ensure it could not happen. Number 2, we take this issue very seriously. I, as president, have become personally involved in this situation. I have devoted time and resources to assess what happened, to analyze appropriate corrective steps, and to move to implementation to return our program to doing the scientific work, the very important scientific work that benefits the public health system and the security of our country. Number 3, we are taking corrective actions to fix the problem. We want to rescue our research, revise the select agent registration with the CDC as our regulatory partner, hire and properly organize the best talent to lead our safety, security and compliance activity and re-establish the trust with the CDC, with you and with our research funding partners. Finally, Mr. Chairman and members, we intend as a learning outcome of this episode, to develop in conjunction with you and the CDC a model program for select agent research and compliance to be in place across the country. In summary, we are committed to getting it right. We will use CDC's comprehensive review that has been provided as our road map to compliance and we will move forward from there. But we will leave nothing undone in moving our program to one of a model of documented excellence. This research is important, as I said, to our country's public health system and to our national security. I think from the hearing today I have observed three protocols and partnerships that make sense and I think the hearing has been valuable for that. One is that we need to have good science. That is our job in conjunction with our funding partners. We need to have absolute compliance. That is our job with our regulator, the CDC. And we need regulatory oversight and coordination, which is the task of the hearing of this committee today. I think it provides value. We appreciate the opportunity to be here. I am here to answer any questions or provide further details. Mr. Chairman. [The prepared statement of Mr. Davis follows:] Testimony of Eddie J. Davis Mr. Chairman, Ranking Member Barton and members of the subcommittee, my name is Eddie Joe Davis, interim president of Texas A&M University at College Station. I have held this position since December 2006. The College Station campus is the largest of the 10 campuses that fall within the Texas A&M University System. I am appearing here today at the Subcommittee's request. Texas A&M's College Station campus is home to approximately 38,000 undergraduate students at 10 colleges and approximately 7,000 graduate students. The University takes great pride in its reputation as a top tier research institution. I am here today to provide testimony regarding our select agent research laboratories. As you may be aware, these laboratories have recently been the subject of investigation by the Centers for Disease Control & Prevention or ``CDC'' and, as of June of this year, our select agent research work has been suspended pursuant to CDC's orders. My comments today will first focus on some background information regarding the University's research program, internal compliance program and the select agent labs. I will then move on to the recent matters leading to the CDC's suspension of the University's select agent research and our commitment to run a model program to which others compare themselves. Finally, I will provide observations regarding the application of recent Federal regulations governing the possession and use of select agents in the laboratories that have emerged over the past few years. I want to make it absolutely clear that Texas A&M University is, first and foremost, fully committed to both the safety and protection of our employees, students and community, and to following the guidelines and rules on safely and securely operating our laboratories that handle select biological agents and toxins. Only then, will we seek inspection and approval from the CDC to resume the research in these labs. Texas A&M Select Agent Research and Compliance Organizational Structure. The University's research organization falls under the Division of Research and Graduate Studies which carries out its mission through several internal units and a variety of external units and centers that are focused on important new fields of scientific inquiry. The work of the Division's units and centers spans the full range of scholarly endeavors and disciplines, securing Texas A&M University's place among the world's leading research institutions. The Office of Research Compliance, which is a key unit of the University's Division of Research and Graduate Studies, is responsible for providing training and support to faculty, students and staff in regulatory requirements for scientific research. Through key committees and related programs and activities, the Office of Research Compliance develops, implements and oversees compliance with university policies and any applicable research requirements or regulations related to the following areas, among others: Research involving humans; Research involving animals; and Research involving hazardous materials, select agents or recombinant DNA. Research projects involving infectious/biohazardous agents are subject to approval by the University's Institutional Biosafety Committee or ``IBC.'' The IBC serves as the University's primary interface between the research institution, the Biological Safety Officer (BSO), and principal investigators (PIs) concerning lab review, security, safety, emergency plans, and other activities. In addition to the BSO, the University has also designated a responsible official or ``RO'' as required by the March 2005 Federal regulations promulgated by the Department of Health & Human Services for select agents and toxins. The RO is the University's designated individual who has the authority and control to ensure compliance with the regulations governing our select agent labs. We presently employ an RO and a BSO, but in an effort to assure full compliance and seamless communications, we will combine these responsibilities into a single person who will report directly to high-level University management. At present, we have an on-going nation-wide search for a new RO/ BSO and we expect to have this position filled by the end of the month. With the promulgation of the select agents and toxins rule, the roles of the RO and BSO have evolved and taken on additional responsibilities, which require unique skill sets and experience. Select Agent Research Laboratories. Texas A&M University has a long history of applied and basic research involving Shiga toxin-producing E. coli, Brucella and Coxiella species with the goal of advancing the understanding of mechanisms of infection and disease, gene function, and vaccine development. The research efforts of our investigators have resulted in a better understanding of mechanisms of infection, which have yielded significant and relevant results with respect to immunogens for vaccine development, detection of the infectious agent and modes of delivery for achieving the highest probability for success in immunization against disease organisms. The collective contributions and over-arching theme of our research with Shiga toxin-producing E. coli, Brucella and Coxiella bacteria are in understanding host-pathogen interactions as the basis for prevention of disease. While these are zoonotic agents (i.e., agents that are transferable from animals to humans) and prevalent in the surrounding environment, most of the research focuses on diseases in animals and the economic impact of the resulting animal losses, as well as development of better human and animal vaccines. The recognition of the bioweapons potential of these particular agents has only served to make the ongoing research at Texas A&M more relevant and important. The four BSL-3 research laboratories at the University that are registered with the CDC as handling select agents are led by principal investigators Dr. Garry Adams, Dr. Thomas Ficht, Dr. Jim Samuel and Dr. Vernon Tesch. Dr. Adams is a Professor and Associate Dean for Research and Graduate Studies in the College of Veterinary Medicine. Dr. Adams' research involves studies of the genetic basis of natural disease resistance, molecular pathogenesis of intracellular bacterial pathogens, and the development of vaccines and diagnostic tests against zoonotic diseases. For almost two decades, he has been actively involved in improving the scientific basis of the two largest animal health regulatory issues in the U.S.--brucellosis and tuberculosis. Recently, he has been very active in developing and implementing biodefense and emerging diseases research initiatives. Dr. Ficht is a professor in the Department of Veterinary Pathobiology at the University's College of Veterinary Medicine. Dr. Ficht's research involves Brucella, an animal pathogen, which invades or persists in the phagosomal compartment of an animal's eucaryotic cells including professional phagocytes. His research explores host-agent interaction between monocyte-derived macrophages and Brucella with the aim of identifying the bacterial factors that subvert intracellular killing and the host factors responsible for protecting the host from infection. Both Dr. Samuel and Dr. Tesch are Associate Professors in the Department of Microbial and Molecular Pathogenesis in the College of Medicine at the Texas A&M University System Health Science Center. Dr. Samuel's research involves identifying recombinant vaccine strategies to elicit protective immunity to the obligate intracellular bacterial pathogen, Coxiella burnetii, the etiologic agent of Q fever and a biothreat agent. Dr. Tesch's research involves a family of bacterial toxins called Shiga toxins known to cause disease in humans. Shiga toxins are produced by Shigella dysenteriae and E. coli. These microorganisms have been in the news lately, as the ingestion of undercooked hamburgers or other foods contaminated with Shiga toxin-producing E. coli may lead to widespread outbreaks of bloody diarrhea. A fraction of patients, mostly children, go on to develop life-threatening complications involving acute renal failure and neurological abnormalities. Texas A&M University has been conducting research involving the propagation of Brucella since the late 1970's and has performed research using BSL-3 facilities since the mid 1990's. Research in the other BSL-3 laboratories has similarly been on-going for some time. In addition to the four research laboratories, two BSL-3 diagnostic laboratories are operated by the Texas Veterinary Medical Diagnostic Lab (TVMDL) located at the College Station campus. From its inception, the TVMDL has occasionally received tissue or blood samples from animals which contain biological agents and toxins (e.g., rabies, e- coli, and Brucella) and, therefore, it must be equipped to handle these samples in a high containment laboratory. CDC's Investigation of Texas A&M's Select Agent Research Labs I now would like to turn our attention to the reported exposure of a University lab worker to the select agent Brucella and the resulting CDC investigation of the University's select agent labs. I will first address the details of the exposure and follow that up with comments regarding the CDC's investigations earlier this year. 2006 Brucella Exposure. In February 2006, a post-doctoral research associate in Dr. Thomas Ficht's lab was conducting an experiment involving brucellosis using a Madison Chamber. A ``Madison Chamber'' is an aerosol infection chamber that is used to infect test animals with various pathogens. The use of the chamber for this experiment was loaned to Dr. Ficht's research associate by another researcher at the University's Health and Science Center, who used the chamber for tuberculosis research. A Ph.D. research assistant involved in the tuberculosis research which uses the Madison chamber was present during the burcellosis experiment conducted by Dr. Ficht's research associate. The research assistant is proficient in the operation of the Madison Chamber from her use in research concerning tuberculosis. At the time of the experiment, she was present in Dr. Ficht's lab to observe the proper use of the chamber by the research associate who was working with Brucella. After the experiment had concluded and the test animals removed, she cleaned the chamber as she would if the pathogen had been tuberculosis. About 2 months later, the research assistant notified Dr. Ficht that she was ill with flu-like symptoms and inquired as to whether or not anyone else was ill. On that same day, Dr. Ficht had all other lab employees who were present during the experiment in February tested and notified the BSO. Within the next two weeks, the research assistant was diagnosed with Brucellosis and, through blood testing, it was confirmed that no other employees had contracted it. The research assistant's positive test for Brucella was entered into the public health database by the Brazos County Health Department, which was automatically transmitted to the Texas Department of Health and CDC. The research assistant returned to work, was given follow up blood testing and has continued to be monitored pursuant to the institution's occupational health program. In October 2006, the University received a request for public documents involving incident reports for risk group 2 and higher pathogens from Mr. Edward Hammond of the Sunshine Project, one of the witnesses at today's hearing. In November 2006, the University produced a document showing that there had been a single incident relating to brucellosis. The University continued to inquire internally as to whether there were any additional documents. In April 2007, additional documents were identified regarding the Brucella exposure. At that time, the University immediately notified CDC and provided the documents to Mr. Hammond. CDC's 2007 Investigation. Following the notification to CDC, the University received a notice of suspension of select agent research in Dr. Ficht's lab. Inspectors from CDC then visited the University to follow-up on the notification of exposure and conducted an inspection of the University's four BSL-3 laboratories. A few weeks later, the University submitted information to CDC regarding elevated titers for Q fever--a term of measurement of antibodies in the blood--for three employees who worked in Dr. Jim Samuel's lab. Although it was not clear whether notification was required for these elevated titers, the University elected to report these levels to CDC out of an abundance of caution. While these elevated titers were cause for concern, none of the individuals became ill. Following this disclosure by the University, the CDC issued an order suspending all select agent research at the University. The University immediately complied. On July 23, 2007, an 18-member team from the CDC conducted a comprehensive site review of the University's select agent research activities which ultimately led to the CDC's August 31st site visit report. Though the CDC's report acknowledged the efforts of the University in curing the deficiencies noted by the CDC inspectors, we acknowledge that several additional steps need to be accomplished in order to be re-certified for select agent research. Our No. 1 goal is to ensure that our laboratories are operated in a safe and secure manner, in compliance with all applicable laws and regulations. We are using CDC's August 31st site report as our roadmap to full compliance. In fact, we have already begun to take corrective action to cure many of the deficiencies cited in the report and have engaged outside experts--some of who were recommended by the CDC--to assist in this process. This will continue full speed ahead. Only after we have satisfied ourselves in the areas of biosafety, security, training, recordkeeping and incident response, we will ask the CDC to allow us to re-start the laboratories. We desire to get back to the important business of vaccine research, with the CDC as our partner, as soon as possible. March 2005 CDC Regulations Could Use Some Clarification I would now like to turn our attention to the Select Agent and Toxins regulations that were promulgated in March 2005. These regulations are found at 42 C.F.R. Sec. 73.1 et seq. and were developed pursuant to the Public Health Security and Bioterrorism Preparedness and Response Act of 2002. These Federal regulations pertain specifically to the possession, use and transfer of select agents and toxins and I will refer to them as the ``SAT Regulations.'' Like many labs in the U.S. handling select agents and toxins, we have grappled with compliance with these regulations. Over the past two and one-half years since their promulgation, several areas have emerged which we believe need further clarification or improvement. I address a few of these areas below: Definitions--perhaps the most challenging aspect of the SAT Regulations pertain to definitional interpretations of key terms. The possession, use and transfer of select agents and toxins in biomedical laboratories is a highly complex scientific endeavor. Added to that is the need to operate the laboratories in a safe and secure manner. Given these complexities, the application of definitional terms in the regulations can take on different meanings given different operating scenarios. Terms that are broadly defined can take on different meanings to different people, which can result in differential application and enforcement of the regulations. The following terms in the SAT Regulations have led to a good deal of confusion: ``Access' to select agents or toxins. 42 C.F.R. Sec. 73.10(a) restricts access to select agents and toxins to only those individuals that have been approved by the HHS Secretary or Administrator, following a security risk assessment by the Attorney General. Whether someone has access or not depends on ``if the individual has possession of a select agent or toxin (e.g., ability to carry, use, or manipulate) or the ability to gain possession of a select agent or toxin.'' 42 C.F.R. Sec. 73.10(b) (emphasis added). While the former condition (has possession) is straightforward, it is the latter condition that creates the bulk of the confusion (has the ability to gain possession). For example, does someone who has not been pre- approved and observes an experiment in a select agent lab have the ability to gain possession of the select agent? Or, if the select agent or toxin is in an animal that is locked in cage within the lab, does that change the analysis? Presently, the definition of access to select agents or toxins is interpreted to be extremely broad. Some degree of reason needs to be applied to the rule in order to facilitate good laboratory practices and the advancement of scientific research. The effect of the broad application of the definition is that any person who enters a SAT lab could arguably have access to the select agent and, therefore, must be pre-approved. ``Routine cleaning, maintenance, repairs, or other activities not related to select agents or toxins'' 42 C.F.R. Sec. 73.11(d)(2) provides for certain exceptions to the rule requiring that individuals entering a SAT lab be pre-approved. The exception in (d)(2) specifies that an individual who conducts routine cleaning, maintenance, repairs, or other activities may gain access to the lab so long as (1) his or her activity is ``not related to select agents or toxins'' and (2) he or she is accompanied by an approved individual. The exception is often confused with the requirement set forth in 73.10(b) as described above. Furthermore, it is unclear what is meant by an activity that is ``not related to select agents or toxins.'' Does the maintenance or repair of a vent hood that is used for the handling of select agents or toxins fall within this exception? It could be argued that any activity within a select agent or toxin laboratory is ``related'' to the agent or toxin handled in that laboratory. ``Occupational exposure or release'' of a selection agent or toxin. 42 C.F.R. Sec. 73.19(b) specifies the notification requirements in the event of a release of a select agent or toxin. The trigger for the notification is based upon whether there is an ``occupational exposure or release of a select agent or toxin outside the primary barriers of the biocontainment area.'' The SAT Regulations do not define the terms ``occupational exposure'' or ``release,'' leaving both the regulator and the regulated without clear direction as to what is expected. In terms of select agents and toxins, there is little guidance as to what constitutes an occupational exposure (e.g., mode of the exposure or acceptable limits or levels?). ``Restricted experiments.'' 42 C.F.R. Sec. 73.13(a) establishes a requirement that an individual or entity may not conduct certain ``restricted experiments'' unless approved by the HHS Secretary. Subsection (b) sets forth two types of restricted experiments--experiments using recombinant DNA that involve the deliberate transfer of a drug resistance trait to select agents and experiments that involve the deliberate formation of recombinant DNA containing genes for the biosynthesis of select agents. While there are likely strong public policy reasons for restricting these types of experiments (based upon the ultimate end use) without express approval from HHS, these two types of restricted experiments are very broadly defined and may unintentionally limit legitimate experiments involving similar approaches but result in completely different outcomes (and end uses). Authorization of Access to Select Agents and Toxins-- another area of confusion involves the authorization of an individual's access to a select agent or toxin. 42 C.F.R. Sec. 73.10(a) states that ``[a]n individual or entity--may not provide an individual access to a select agent or toxin, and an individual may not access a select agent or toxin, unless the individual is approved by the HHS Secretary or Administrator, following a security risk assessment Attorney General.'' The confusion arises as to whether the authorization of an individual is (a) as to a specific select agent, wherever that select agent might be handled, or (b) as to a specific select agent handled at a specific location. If the latter interpretation is correct, the authorization requirement becomes a bureaucratic paperwork mess. For example, a research scientist and his/her staff who work with Rickettsia prowasekii (a select agent) may, from time to time, visit the labs of or work with other research scientists who handle the same agent. Requiring that scientist and his/her staff who are already authorized to access this select agent at their home lab to obtain authorization anytime they visit another lab or location where the select agent is handled serves no purpose, nor does it achieve any public policy. The regulation should be clarified such that the authorization applies to the specific agent in question, not the specific agent and location. The focus of the authorization should be, first, on the individual (which is why there is a security risk assessment on the individual) and, second, on the handling of the select agent. In closing, I want to express my appreciation to the CDC for providing a comprehensive review of the steps necessary to rebuild the compliance model for our select agent and toxin research program at Texas A&M. As I mentioned previously, we are using it as our road map to full compliance. The University has made significant progress in implementing corrective actions that cure the deficiencies noted by CDC in its findings and has brought in outside experts, including several recommended to us by CDC, who have aided us greatly in the process. Our efforts will continue at full speed ahead until we have satisfied the CDC and ourselves. Our goal is for the University's select agent labs to be the model to which others compare themselves. ---------- Mr. Stupak. Thank you, Dr. Davis. We will begin questioning. We will see if Mr. Barton would like to start. Mr. Barton. Mr. Chairman, I am willing to go first but I am also willing to let the Chair exercise its prerogative to question first. Mr. Stupak. You are the graduate Texas A&M. Why do not you go first? Mr. Barton. All right. I will be happy to. I think in full disclosure, Mr. Chairman, I need to say, not only did I attend Texas A&M, my father attended Texas A&M, my three children attended Texas A&M, numerous aunts, uncles, nephews, nieces and cousins have attended Texas A&M. If you added up all the relatives who have had the privilege to go to that institution, it would be in the neighborhood of 30. So I am a biased questioner in favor of Texas A&M. But having said that, as a Member of Congress and this subcommittee and the past chairman, I am absolutely committed to getting to the bottom of what went wrong and making sure that it does not happen again. Mr. Davis, as acting president of Texas A&M, when were you first made aware of the Brucella exposure and how was it reported to you? Mr. Davis. In April 2007, Congressman Barton and I was notified that we had discovered that there was an error and a failure to report within the timeframe required by the select agent regulations. This did come about through a request from the Sunshine Project for us to produce documents related to our select agent program. And as we did review those documents and discovered that this incident was not reported, as soon as we discovered it, we did report the incident and at the same time, provided that information to the Sunshine Project. The reason the incident was not reported is fairly and lengthy and detailed but I think it is important that I give you some summary of what happened. A laboratory worker was actually an authorized person in a lab observing the use of an aerosol piece of equipment, which she was using for tuberculosis research. This chamber was then used in a Brucellas experiment in a different laboratory. After she had completed that work, the other researcher, the person that was actually providing the machine, cleaned the machine unbeknownst to the laboratory technician that was conducting the research. As a result, her exposure to the Madison Chamber, we believe is where the infection came about. A few weeks later she became ill with flu-like symptoms. She went to her doctor. She was diagnosed with the flu and, ultimately, through a couple of trips back to an infectious disease doctor, found that she had, indeed, been exposed to Brucellas. At that time, she went back to the principle investigator, informed him of this. He immediately informed our biological safety officer, where the failure to report to the CDC occurred. He did have the rest of his lab workers tested. No one else revealed any indication of Brucellas or brucellosis and the individual that was infected was treated and has been cleared and has been routinely tested since that time, with no adverse effects. Mr. Barton. The individual that was infected was infected in doing a procedure which she did voluntarily and was not instructed to do so against protocol, is that correct? Mr. Davis. That is correct. Mr. Barton. But in spite of that, this employee is currently cured and, so far as you know, has no complaint against the university, is that correct? Mr. Davis. That is correct. Mr. Barton. OK. Now you mentioned that there was an exposure incident of Brucella, we have talked about that. It is my understanding that there was also a Q fever exposure that went unreported. Can you comment on that? Mr. Davis. I think it is helpful to clarify that. After our Brucella report and a visit by the CDC, after the CDC had come in in April to review this incident with us, after their departure, we were reviewing documents and discovered that we had elevated titers in three employees who were actually involved in Q fever research. We do titer testing, obviously, to determine from a public health standpoint, if anyone has had exposure, it allows us to understand if they should be referred to a physician for possible treatment. In these cases, it was not clear that we were required to report the titers. We did it out of an absolute abundance of caution because we had just not reported Brucellas. Mr. Barton. This was after the Brucella. Mr. Davis. This was after the Brucellas incident and after their visit. We felt it was important that we absolutely reveal anything that was of any concern. Unfortunately, after we did report the Q fever incident, shortly after that, the CDC suspended our select agent research. Mr. Barton. Now currently, is the Texas A&M University system fully cooperating with the CDC in their investigation or re-examination of the facilities and procedures at Texas A&M? Mr. Davis. Yes, we are. We have, of course, received their August 31 report. We have had a team of individuals, including outside experts, helping us with the response to that report, as well as the reconstruction of a total re-registration of our select agent program. Mr. Barton. And so long as you are the acting president of Texas A&M, are you committed to doing everything within your power to make sure that A&M fully complies with the CDC directives and cooperates in every way to ensure the safety of these agents if this type of research is allowed to be commenced again? Mr. Davis. Mr. Barton, we are absolutely committed to the research, to the safety, to the compliance of this research. Absolutely. Mr. Barton. Mr. Chairman, before I yield back, I want to recognize, I think, the chairman of the board of regents at the Texas A&M University system is in the audience, Mr. John White, and I think that shows the seriousness with which the university takes this matter. With that I yield back, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Stupak. Well, thank you, Mr. Barton. All the people went to Texas A&M in your family, I thought you would end up by saying they named a lab after you. Mr. Barton. Well, there is an Olin E. ``Tiger'' Teague Research Center at Texas A&M, who was my predecessor and who Congressman Edwards worked for as a district aid. So there is Aggie sixth district congressman facility on campus but it is not named after Joe Barton. Mr. Stupak. You'll have to do a Chet Edwards, right? Dr. Davis, this is a level 3 lab at Texas A&M, right? Mr. Davis. Yes, sir. Mr. Stupak. OK. Are you in the process of expanding that lab at all? Mr. Davis. We are not. In our revised registration documents, Mr. Chairman, we are actually recommending to the CDC that we re-activate two of our laboratories. The two other laboratories, or four in total, we have some physical corrections to make to that but we are not seeking immediate re-registration of those other two. Not until we have them fully in compliance will we ask the registration to include them Mr. Stupak. Were you here when the last panel testified? Mr. Davis. I was. Mr. Stupak. OK. I asked about unannounced inspections. Do you think CDC should do unannounced inspections? Mr. Davis. I think we should have a program that can endure any kind of inspection, Mr. Chairman, announced or unannounced. I also believe, and this goes back to another question I believe you asked and it is related to Mr. Barton's question, the idea of no fault reporting, it seems to us, is a very valid concept and should be pursued. We should be encouraged to report any kind of occupational exposure or loss. And there needs to be greater definition of those things. Mr. Stupak. Congressman Edwards explained to me a couple times that the person who is in charge of safety of your labs there has been terminated from employment and you are going about correcting it. Any suggestions on how we do this? I heard a lot from the CDC saying, well, we got documentations, we will be questioning this and looking at this. And in the Texas A&M case, the people who were in charge of certain things within the lab had all that documentation. Maybe not to the level it was supposed to be but they had that documentation and CDC passes you through and then because of the Sunshine Project, we find there were greater concerns. They come back in with their team and they find serious violations. Any suggestions on how we can make sure CDC, or whoever is going to do it, do these inspections for independent verification so we do not have this situation again? As the president of Texas A&M, I am sure you got the report from CDC saying everything is fine and then boom, we find things are not so good. Mr. Davis. Certainly it is something that I would not be expecting on a daily basis to be involved in but I am involved in it now and I do have some thought about how we go forward. Frankly, I think this hearing is a positive view of what needs to be done. You've revealed some issues, some lapses in the overall integration of the select agent program and the biological research program. I think it is more complex than just inspections. I think what we have to have, it is very interesting as I analyzed the exit interview from the CDC, this was in an oral exit interview, one of the things that became very clear to me was that there was a gap between the understanding at the research compliance office and what was going on in the labs. And part of that misunderstanding was the fact, if you do not document it, you have not done it. It is a bit like Sarbanes-Oxley issues. So what we actually did is employed an expert in the scientific compliance area, Dr. Claudia Mickelson, from MIT with an expert in accounting in Sarbanes-Oxley compliance because we thought we needed to be much better at transaction process documentation. You need to know when people are entering the lab. You need to know who is on the registration. You need to be sure those things are protected. It is a very complex environment which this is all about. But let me give you one other example of why it is so complex. Our re-registration document now is 900 pages, going toward 1,000. We are not finished. That is for four labs that would fit inside this hearing room. There is a huge amount of work that has to be done on not just writing the regulations and implementing them but having the time to make those regulations work together so that everybody understands what the expectations are and the expectation has to be safety, security and good science. Mr. Stupak. I understand that and also you have to have the people in there who are trained to do it. Like your biosafety person who was the biosafety officer at A&M. Had no training in biosafety but was an industrial hygienist by education, experienced and he was asked to take on these extra duties. Who would have made that decision, the head of the lab, your safety officer? Mr. Davis. Of the person that was there before? Mr. Stupak. Right, who was assigned these extra duties, who wasn't qualified to do it. Mr. Davis. Well, I do not know who made that decision. I wasn't there at the time. I will tell you this, we are currently advertising and seeking a new biological safety officer that will also be our responsible official in interacting with the CDC. We are looking for a much greater level of expertise. That is, we want someone who is an accomplished scientist with experience in the area of biological compliance. And we have two good candidates and we hope to have that filled within just a very short period of time. Mr. Stupak. Do you think the communities have a right to know what is going on at these labs? Mr. Davis. Absolutely. Mr. Stupak. There was some reluctance from the last panel to let them know what agents or what we are doing at these labs but that can be part of the checks and balance, can it not? Mr. Davis. It does. One of the recommendations of the GAO that I heard this morning I think is very sound is that we need to work with the community health providers to be sure they know what we are working on in the laboratories, so if there is an exposure, accidental or otherwise, they recognize the symptoms if it comes from someone who is working in one of these labs. Mr. Stupak. It is Mr. Green's. I will turn to him for questions just in a second. Let me ask you this and hopefully we can all learn from the Texas A&M situation. You are telling me your re-license is up to almost 1,000 pages now. I am sure as you talk with other university presidents and others who have labs on their academic facilities, you must have heard from others saying, boy, they are putting you guys through a wringer. We got to tighten up ourselves. Is that pretty common? I am not asking you to blow the whistle on anybody but I am just saying, it seems like this has been pretty shoddy the way we have been doing it throughout this country, even with the proliferation. We really need to look at this in more detail. Not that we are trying to tie up research but, at the same time, it just seems like this has been sort of an area we never paid much attention to until we really--and unfortunately, your sort of institution that sort of got looked at closer. Mr. Davis. This is not the type of role model we would like to be, Mr. Chairman. However, I think our episode and the revelations of this hearing will probably cause others to awaken to the need to be very vigilant about these issues and to really focus on both the regulations and their interactions with the regulating agency. Mr. Stupak. Well, my time is up and as you can see, Texas A&M has a lot of support on this committee. I am the only one here not representing Texas A&M. So with that, let me turn it to Mr. Green for questions or do you want to go, Mr. Burgess? Go ahead, Mr. Green, you would have been next anyway. Mr. Green. Dr. Davis, thank you for being here and I can imagine under uncomfortable circumstances because those of us who are familiar with Texas A&M and high institutions are not found when something bad happens. But the good thing about it is when something bad happens you also want to fix it and that is what I am proud of that we are problem solvers. I wish I could tell you I always voted right but if I find out it was wrong, then I will fix it somehow. And I hope you know your testimony before us today providing us with the lessons it learned, which can make sure that our regulatory gaps are filled. And my last series of questions from CDC, I mentioned the need for rigorous training of lab workers and the CDC mentioned that labs should have a biosafety plan, emergency response plan, a security plan among others. And its investigations in the incidents at A&M, GAO noted that the infected researcher had a wealth of experience in BSL-2 labs in particularly tuberculosis. She was then called in to a BSL-3 lab to work on Brucella despite not receiving training on that specific agent. Did any biosafety plan speak to the specific protocols when alternating between BSL-2 and BSL-3 labs? Mr. Davis. Yes, Congressman Green, it did. Unfortunately, a modest change in that and that is the worker actually volunteered to participate in the experiment because she was familiar with the Madison Chamber, which was used in tuberculosis experimentation and was being loaned in the lab that was doing Brucellas experiments. So that is not an excuse, it is simply a statement that it is quite different then that she was urged to do it or asked to do it. It was a voluntary activity. Mr. Green. The GAO office spoke to laboratory experts who highlight inherent safety risk when researchers switch from BSL-2 to BSL-3. And the GAO noted that the procedures, protocols are different among labs and the researchers really need to make sure that their safety protocols become part of their routine. From the university research program perspective, is this a point made clear to select agent programs either through the CDC or other safety guidelines? Do you know if that was made plain to A&M? Mr. Davis. Well, clearly from the interactions we have had with the CDC and the GAO, we are very engaged in improving and upgrading our safety plans, our training plans. Actually, during the time that our laboratories are not in operation, we are taking advantage of that time, in addition to getting our documentation completed. We are also having training sessions with the individuals that are assigned to the laboratories, including specific training on the select agents in which they are working. So indeed, we are taking advantage of this time to improve our safety, security and capacity to do the research. Mr. Green. When the CDC visited A&M in February 2006, days after the unknown exposure occurred, was there any mention from the CDC about the need to implement training protocols for researchers specific to the agents they were handling? Mr. Davis. I cannot answer that, Mr. Green. I do not know what was contained in the report in their February 2006 visit. I was not in place at the time. Mr. Green. OK. Well, I guess from the testimony from our earlier panels and seems like there is enormous lack of clarity in the system and when it comes to authorities and the responsibilities and protocols on the part of the Federal agency and also individual research institutions and given the nature of these agents, I think the questions need to be crystal clear to both the agency but also to our institutions. And I look forward to working with you, of course, the CDC, NIH and other schools to see if we can get that so we do not have a repeat of what happened at Texas A&M and maybe happen somewhere else that we do not know about as we sit here today. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Davis. One of the positive outcomes of this is we do have an opportunity to get better, all of us do and that is what we intend to do. Mr. Green. Thank you. Mr. Stupak. Thank you, Mr. Green. Mr. Burgess, questions please. Mr. Burgess. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, Dr. Davis. Thank you for being here with us and ensure your commitment to making sure we get it better and my responsibility being on this committee is being sure that we give you the tools that you need, give your researchers the tools that they need so they are protected and in turn they protect us. Let me just ask you briefly, the individual that was involved with the brucellosis incident, was that an experienced lab worker, was that a student, what was that person's role in the lab? Mr. Davis. She was a research associate. She was a Ph.D. scientist. She was experienced in laboratory activities and safety protocols. Mr. Burgess. Did the extent that you are able to disclose it with all of the Federal regulations regarding HIPAA, can you tell us the condition of that individual today, what their health status is? Mr. Davis. Her health is fine and we continue to monitor her for any reoccurrence. Mr. Burgess. OK. So she was treated and responded to--OK. Well, that is good news. Let me ask you this because I mean, A&M, most people may not know this but you are the only school of veterinary medicine in our State and probably in the region. The Brucellosis is not really a new infective agent. Brucellosis has been around for a long time. Has your university been involved with the study or work of Brucellosis in the past? Mr. Davis. Yes, sir, for quite a long time. Actually before we knew what a select agent was, we were working on Brucellosis research. My guess is probably as early as the early part of the 20th century because Bangs Disease or Brucellosis in cattle has been a major issue and problem in the State of Texas. So Texas A&M has actually lead in that. We have had laboratories in place, the BSL-3 type laboratories, since the middle '80's, prior to the select agent program, implementation working on Brucellosis research. Mr. Burgess. So even going back into the early part of last century, even though you were not able to or your predecessors were not able to intuit, that this agent would be a select agent in the 21st century, you had ongoing procedures and protocols to protect from contamination and protect your laboratory workers? Mr. Davis. Yes, sir, we did. This research was primarily in animal-borne diseases and zoonotic diseases related to those pathogens. Mr. Burgess. Well, before we were called for this hearing today, have you expressed concerns to the CDC about the ambiguities regarding the CDC's handling of the select agents, the rules for handling select agents? Do you feel like those have been delivered to you a timely fashion with the appropriate clarity to allow your researchers and your lab personnel to make the correct choices and assignments? Mr. Davis. As we mentioned a while ago, I think there are some areas that still remain unresolved, such as the definition of an occupational exposure, so that there is clarity and there is also a promotion of open reporting of incidents. There are probably a few other areas that are related to the security issues with select agents where you have to have the Department of Justice approval for individuals participating in particular laboratories. Currently, the approval is related directly to the laboratory that the individual might work in. So if you have a visiting faculty member going to another lab using the same type of pathogen, they are not eligible unless they are cleared again. And we think there are some improvements there but these are modest and we are certainly working with the CDC to try to find ways to reach agreement on all of those. Mr. Burgess. And do you collaborate with any labs that are from outside the country? I will respond going forward and making sure that we write the correct protocols or will write the correct legislation that allows you to write the correct protocols for the protection of your community and protection of your workers. I mentioned at the previous panel that was up here the concept of rather than having a punitive system, to have a no fault system similar to NASA, similar to commercial aviation, similar to, again referencing the nuclear submarine program in this country that has a remarkable safety record. A culture of not tolerating any security lapses or any safety lapses but at the same time, rather than coming down with extremely punitive measures, suspending a license or suspending your ability to do the work you are trying to do, to work in a collaborative fashion to learn from the mistake and go on and make sure we are going forward, that we have the correct procedures in place. Is that something that you are exploring internally in the university right now? Mr. Davis. We are very much in favor of that and would love to see that and implement it. Mr. Burgess. But are you working toward that specific goal? Mr. Davis. Our position is we will report anything that we suspect falls under the rules as an occupational exposure, although we are currently still trying to get absolute definition of what that is. Mr. Burgess. Again, I thank you for your generous contribution of time today for this committee. I think you have been very helpful with providing insight and Mr. Chairman, how we can craft the appropriate legislation that will not stymie this research but, ultimately, we all have the same goal in mind and that is protecting our country. So with that, I will yield back. Mr. Stupak. Mr. Barton and I were talking about my series of votes when I walked back here, some things we should or could be doing. I am a little confused here, maybe you can help me out. This Sunshine Project, right, that reported the stuff. Sunshine Project? Sunshine Project. They foiled the information from Texas A&M, right, and received the information from Texas A&M? Mr. Davis. Well, in our case it is open records but the same---- Mr. Stupak. But they got your records? Mr. Davis. Yes. Mr. Stupak. Then why did not the CDC notice those problems when they were there with their inspection, when they said everything was fine? Mr. Davis. I cannot answer that, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Stupak. And they would have access to it, right? Mr. Davis. Absolutely. I will tell you, however, that when we received the request from the Sunshine Project---- Mr. Stupak. OK. Mr. Davis. We do not have a system that accumulates everything that is going on in laboratories without going through keyword search. Mr. Stupak. Sure. Mr. Davis. And so it did take us some time to actually locate and dig out the documents which gave us the alert that this exposure occurred. Mr. Stupak. Right. Mr. Davis. And so I think it is fair to say that the CDC probably did not do that same level of inquiry and that is why we discovered it and passed the information onto both them and the project. Mr. Stupak. But in order to get it into Texas A&M archives or your stuff. Mr. Davis. Electronic. Mr. Stupak. Yes. Someone reported it electronically? Mr. Davis. Yes, sir. Mr. Stupak. And then when the Sunshine Project put forth, did the keyword search, that is when it popped up. Mr. Davis. We did the keyword search based on their request. Mr. Stupak. And you actually provided them with the information. Mr. Davis. That is correct. Mr. Stupak. So CDC should have at least, knowing its electronic, could have done an electronic search or then but where would your lab person be? Mr. Davis. They could have asked us to do the electronic search. Mr. Stupak. Sure. They could have asked you. Even if-- inspection team, they just could ask you to do a key search and you would have. Mr. Davis. Right. Mr. Stupak. But this report then, would not the lab director know? Your lab director know about this? Mr. Davis. He did and as soon as he detected it, it was reported to the biological safety officer. Mr. Stupak. Right. Mr. Davis. Which reported through---- Mr. Stupak. This is the public health. Mr. Davis. Yes. Mr. Stupak. OK. That had the right training. Mr. Davis. That is correct. Mr. Stupak. OK. Mr. Davis. I know it sounds Byzantine but, indeed, it was and that is the reason we failed to report it. Mr. Stupak. OK. Did the Government Accountability Office come down and do an inspection at Texas A&M? Mr. Davis. They came and visited with individuals at our university. I do not know if I would characterize it as a review or inspection. Mr. Stupak. OK. Was that after this incident was made public about the Sunshine Project, do you know? Mr. Davis. They were here this August, which was after. Mr. Stupak. It was after. Mr. Davis. And then they were here in November 2006, which would have been, I guess, also after the incident occurred but not after it was reported. It was reported actually in April of 2007. Mr. Stupak. I know GAO's been, in all fairness, Chris Shays had a position in a different committee, Homeland Security, and started this whole GAO and that was in 2005. And I thought it was a good idea, so we picked up on it and so I know it has been going on for some time, that is why I asked that question. My question base prompt any other questions, Mr. Barton, Mr. Burgess, Mr. Green? If not, Dr. Davis, thank you and we will call for our next panel, our last panel of the day. Mr. Davis. Thank you. Mr. Stupak. The last panel is Dr. Gigi Kwik Gronvall, senior associate and assistant professor of medicine at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, Center for Biosecurity. Dr. Alan Pearson, who is the director of the Biological and Chemical Weapons Control Program at the Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation. And Mr. Edward Hammond of the Sunshine Project. If you would come forward please. It is the policy of the subcommittee to take all testimony under oath. Please be advised witnesses have the right under rules of House to be advised by counsel during your testimony. Do any you wished to be represented by counsel? Everyone shook their head no so I will take it for a no. Then I am going to ask you to please rise and raise your right hand to take the oath. [Witnesses sworn.] Mr. Stupak. Let the record reflect the witnesses have replied in the affirmative. You are now under oath. We have 5- minute opening statements. You can submit longer ones for the record. We ask Dr. Gronvall, do you want to go first here? STATEMENT OF GIGI KWIK GRONVALL, SENIOR ASSOCIATE, ASSISTANT PROFESSOR OF MEDICINE, CENTER FOR BIOSECURITY, UNIVERSITY OF PITTSBURGH MEDICAL CENTER Ms. Gronvall. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, distinguished members of the committee. I have submitted written testimony but I will summarize those in my oral remarks. First, I would like to make it clear that it is urgent that the Nation finds ways to protect itself against large scale epidemics. In fact, it was the recognition that there needed to be research to form those methods of protection, the medicines and vaccines that are needed that led to the expansion of the high-containment laboratories in the first place. Without these high-containment laboratories, critical research cannot be performed. However, these labs need to be safe otherwise they cannot operate. And so I will highlight several actions which could be taken to help ensure that these new labs are both safe and productive in the future. The first action that could be taken is to increase biosafety training. The way that people learn biosafety and high containment, the way that I learned biosafety, was to apprentice to a more senior, knowledgeable person. However, with the expansion of laboratories, there may not be enough senior knowledgeable people to go around. And so one solution is to standardize the training and require certification for high-containment work. You can also increase the number of biosafety officers who are credentialed for high-containment work, so they can provide training and they can provide guidance as research is being conducted. The second action which could be taken is to develop a reporting system so that all mistakes, near misses are captured, learned from, and the results disseminated across high-containment laboratories. One model that may be useful is that used for aviation safety reporting. It was set up because it was found that most aviation incidents and accidents had common root causes. But because these incidents were not being reported, they were not being learned from and so the new accidents were not being prevented. So that is one potential model where people are encouraged to report. The third action which could be taken is to share lessons and operational experience across the high-containment laboratories. In particular, it should be easier for a more senior, knowledgeable person to conduct training in multiple high-containment laboratories. The fourth action which could be taken is to make public engagement a priority. Public engagement is essential to the success of these laboratories. The community has a right to know that the people who are working in these high-containment laboratories are well trained, that if there is an accident, that it is being dealt with appropriately. Some labs have done a better job of this than others. And so the successes of some of these labs should be taken as lessons learned and disseminated across the high-containment laboratories and emulated. So finally I just want to point out that this is not a domestic issue. This is a global issue and these labs are expanding all over the world because these countries recognize that these are important for not only work on SARS and avian influenza and diseases like this, but that it could be a major part of economic growth in the 21st century. Thank you. [The prepared statement of Ms. Gronvall follows:] Testimony of Gigi Kwik Gronvall Mr. Chairman, distinguished members of the committee: Thank you for the opportunity to speak to you today. My name is Gigi Kwik Gronvall. I am a Senior Associate at the Center for Biosecurity of the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center (UPMC) and an Assistant Professor at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine. The Center for Biosecurity is a nonprofit, multidisciplinary organization located in Baltimore that includes physicians, public health professionals, and biological and social scientists. I am a biological scientist, trained in laboratories at Johns Hopkins University and the United States Army Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID). My colleagues and I at the Center for Biosecurity are committed to the development of policies and practices that help prevent bioterrorist attacks or destabilizing natural epidemics and, should prevention fail, that mitigate the destructive consequences of such events. It is a privilege to come before you today to discuss the expansion of high-containment BSL-3 and -4 laboratories. Protecting the Nation against destabilizing large-scale epidemics, whether natural or man-made, is an urgent priority. The anthrax attacks in 2001, the SARS epidemic in 2003, and the current threat of avian influenza all are important reasons why we must conduct research to determine how microbes work and how to defeat them with medicines and vaccines. These new high- containment biological laboratories are needed to provide the safe, protective environment necessary to do this research. In high-containment laboratories, potential bioterrorism agents such as Ebola or Marburg, as well as emerging diseases such as SARS and avian influenza, can be safely studied and understood. The labs can also be used to develop animal models essential to developing and testing vaccines, drugs, and other needed medical countermeasures. The high-containment laboratories are necessary if we are to produce the scientific advances needed to develop medical countermeasures against bioweapons and emerging diseases. However, recent highly publicized laboratory errors and siting controversies have raised questions about whether the governing framework and standards for biosafety and biosecurity measures are adequate. Since 2005, my colleagues and I at the Center for Biosecurity have been concerned that the expanding number of high-containment laboratories may strain current systems for personnel training in biosafety and biosecurity. We held a meeting at the Center on July 11, 2006, to discuss these issues, the report from which we would like to submit into the record. At this meeting, we heard from distinguished scientists and experts in biosafety, biosecurity, and public health--both proponents of the laboratories, as well as those who oppose the recent expansion. Based on those conversations, we believe that there are several things that can be done to ensure that these new high-containment laboratories are productive and safe and operate with due consideration for their neighboring communities. These actions include expanding biosafety training for researchers and workers coming into high-containment research from less dangerous areas of research; monitoring the safety performance and operational experience of the high- containment facilities; increasing communication between the high-containment laboratories to share operational experiences; and initiating a public engagement effort at the Federal level that clarifies the need for high-containment laboratories. Currently, operational BSL-4 facilities can be found in Frederick, Maryland; Richmond, Virginia; Atlanta, Georgia; Galveston, Texas; and San Antonio, Texas. There are additional BSL-4 facilities under construction in Hamilton, Montana; Boston, Massachusetts; Frederick, Maryland; and Galveston, Texas. The exact number of BSL-3 laboratories in the United States is not known, however an NIH-sponsored survey estimates that there are 277 distinct facilities with BSL-3, with about 600 individual laboratories, and a 2007 report from DHS and HHS states that 633 high-containment laboratories are registered in the Select Agent Program. In addition, 13 BSL-3 laboratories are being built specifically for biodefense research, principally funded by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID). It should be noted, however, that high-containment laboratories are being built all over the world at a rapid pace. For example, there were 16 BSL-3 laboratories brought on- line in India in 2006 alone. This expansion is due in part to concerns about SARS and avian influenza, but also because of a recognition that bioscience is a key economic driver for the 21st century: in the US, the biopharma industry produced $188 billion in revenue and 400,000 jobs in 2004 alone. The model that the U.S. sets in operating these high-containment laboratories productively yet safely should provide leadership to other countries heavily investing in biotechnology and pathogen research. Promoting safety, security, and scientific innovation in the biological sciences has been a challenge undertaken by the government and the bioscience community since 2001. It has led editors of scientific journals to come together in 2003, with the goal of reducing the likelihood that legitimate bioscientific research could be used for malevolent ends. It has led to the forming of the National Science Advisory Board for Biosecurity, chartered in 2004 within NIH. Government and university researchers have also participated in fora intended to diminish the risks and maximize the benefits of new areas of bioscience, such as synthetic genomics. While bioscience promises great strides in enhancing quality of life through the development of medicines and vaccines, it is a powerful technology that must be used safely if we are to enjoy its benefits. Biosafety protection is designed to be flexible. In the U.S., biological laboratory research can be categorized by its safety level; Biosafety Levels (BSL) 1 through 4. In this testimony, we use the term high-containment to refer to work performed in the two highest levels, BSL-3 and BSL-4. BSL-3 laboratories are used to study biological agents that are potentially lethal and transmissible by the aerosol route and that require special safety design features, such as sealed windows and specialized ventilation systems. BSL-4 laboratories are typically used to study lethal agents for which no vaccine or therapy is available. They incorporate the BSL-3 laboratory safety features, plus additional safety features such as full- body suits ventilated by life-support systems. In general, the biosafety requirements needed to protect researchers are dictated by the specifics of a biological experiment and are designed to be flexible. For example, an experiment that could normally be safely performed at a low biocontainment level may need additional biosafety protections if the researcher must handle a large volume of infectious material. This flexible system for applying biosafety protections requires researchers to weigh risks as they work. This is a necessity for bioscience research; hard-and-fast regulations for every situation are difficult to develop, as these researchers are not working on one repetitive process that can be fine-tuned but are constantly exploring new scientific ground. The researchers need to use informed judgment. Biosafety guidelines, such as the Biosafety in Microbiological and Biomedical Laboratories Manual published by the CDC and NIH are thus intended to inform the judgment of researchers, biosafety officers, and others who advise on biosafety, so that biosafety protections can be applied where they are needed. However, some biological organisms are more typically worked on in one safety level versus another: infectious Ebola and Marburg viruses are researched in the highest level of containment, BSL-4; SARS is typically worked on in BSL-3; and Bacillus anthracis, the causative agent of anthrax, is typically safely worked on in BSL-2. Biosafety training program expansion for researchers entering high-containment. As the new high-containment laboratories become operational in the coming years, additional qualified staff will also be needed. As indicated in our report last year, we have concerns that the usual methods of biosafety training for high-containment research--that is, intensive one- on-one training within a mentor-apprentice relationship--will not be sufficient to handle the influx of researchers and technicians into the field. Developing core competencies and standards for new staff could be a useful and important way to train new staff on safety practices. It could also conserve the experienced mentors' valuable time and abilities and shorten the time it takes for the labs to become productive. To develop the workforce, NIH could assess how many people will require training for their work in the high-containment laboratories, and develop and fund programs that can supplement on-the-job training. An assessment may be necessary, as not all of the new hires for a laboratory will work in high-containment conditions. For example, it is estimated that the Boston University National Biocontainment Laboratory will create 600 jobs, but not all of those new employees will work in high- containment conditions. Biosafety officers, already required at every high- containment facility, will also be needed in greater numbers. Biosafety professionals can help researchers determine the best biosafety procedures and practices for laboratory-specific, experiment-specific containment decisions, so that the researchers can be productive and safe. Biosafety officers can also provide on-the-job biosafety training. NIH could work with the American Biological Safety Association, the biosafety professional organization, to determine credentialing standards required for work in high-containment laboratories. This may help to ensure that biosafety officers are knowledgeable resources for the researchers in these labs. Monitoring safety performance of high-containment laboratories. With the laboratory expansion, a systematic analysis of safety issues and operational problems in high- containment laboratories can help to ensure that the laboratories are operating safely. Currently, reporting of laboratory-acquired infections is required for all select agents, those pathogens that require clearance to possess under the Select Agent Rule as defined by 45 CFR 72, whether they occur at BSL-2, -3, or -4 laboratories. NIH grants also stipulate that institutions report any serious accidents or research-acquired infections. However, many of the experts we consulted thought nonlethal infections were underreported, and operational problems or ``near misses'' were generally not reported. Without reporting, and without analysis of these incidents, lessons cannot be learned from the experience. Laboratory procedures cannot be analyzed in light of the accidents, so that future accidents can potentially be avoided. To correct this situation, disincentives to reporting should be removed, to encourage researchers and their institutions to report and take corrective action. Generally, there is a disincentive to report acquired infections and other mishaps at research institutions. Infections lead to negative publicity and scrutiny from the granting agency, adversely affecting future research funding. In addition, after a scientist acquires an infection in the laboratory, neither the scientist nor the laboratory wishes to advertise the mistake. These barriers need to be cleared so biosafety can be enhanced through shared learning from operational experiences, and also so the public may be reassured that accidents are being thoroughly examined and contained. One possible model for high-containment laboratories to emulate is the reporting mechanism used for aviation incidents, wherein airlines can contribute operational experience without fear of regulatory action. Mistakes are analyzed and learned from, but they are not attributed to individuals (except when mistakes result from criminal actions, such as drunkenness). Institutional anonymity may also be required in order to get robust reporting from research institutions. Procedures would need to define thresholds and mechanisms for reporting if an accident poses a danger to the community surrounding the laboratory, however. There are other potential models for the high-containment labs from the nuclear and chemical industries. The Institute of Nuclear Power Operations (INPO), formed after the Three Mile Island accident, emphasizes personnel training, safety management, and lessons learned; and Responsible Care, formed after the Bhopal tragedy, is a voluntary initiative of the chemical industry to share lessons learned. These models are from for-profit enterprises, underlining that any reporting system will be expensive. Another possibility could be a reporting clearinghouse, where operational experiences would be posted and available for outside analysis. Ultimately, it is the laboratory director's responsibility to ensure that all laboratory personnel are properly trained to do research safely in high-containment. Yet, the institution where the research takes place may be responsible for ensuring that the head of the laboratory, the staff, and the lab environment conforms with biosafety requirements and accepted practices. The CDC or NIH could monitor proactively whether biosafety is being managed at those institutions where Federal money pays for the research and infrastructure. High-containment laboratories and sharing lessons learned. Mechanisms to enable and encourage inter-laboratory training and information exchange will be important for these laboratories. Currently, the Select Agent Rule and concerns about legal liability may have inadvertently become barriers to learning across high-containment research facilities. Under the Select Agent Rule, as defined by 45 CFR 72, HHS and USDA keep lists of pathogens that require select agent clearance. The rule regulates the possession, use, and transfer of those agents; imposes security requirements for the facility in which the work will be performed; requires inspections; and can impose criminal and civil penalties on those who do not adhere to the Rule. In addition, security risk assessments are administered to individuals who work with select agents by the Department of Justice, a process that is renewed every five years. Once cleared, an individual is allowed to work with a specific biological agent, but only within a specific laboratory. The specificity of this clearance procedure inhibits the practical exchange of safety-related information and techniques between high-containment laboratory researchers, by preventing, for example, a technician in one laboratory from demonstrating techniques in another laboratory without going through a separate lengthy clearance process. In addition to clearance barriers, the perception that laboratories will be liable for accidents that occur to scientists visiting for training purposes may have prevented some training opportunities from taking place. This should be addressed so that experienced scientists and technicians can more easily demonstrate techniques and safety procedures developed in one laboratory to another. This could speed up the process for new laboratories to become productive; it could maximize the use of specialized facilities of some laboratories; and it could result in increased safety of the research. Public engagement as a Federal priority for high- containment labs. NIAID has a great deal of information about the new high-containment laboratories on its website, but direct engagement with the communities where the laboratories are being built is handled by the institution proposing the laboratory. Thus, the strategies and outcomes of public engagement, as well as the transparency of laboratory operations to the public, have varied considerably. This has undoubtedly exacerbated the controversy surrounding the siting and operation of these laboratories, particularly in the face of highly publicized laboratory errors. While individual facilities bear final responsibility for their relationships with their neighbors, NIAID could have a clearer mechanism to engage with the public about the siting and operation of these laboratories, beyond the NEPA process. It may help if there is a more aggressive and proactive Federal effort to standardize public engagement and transparency of operations for high- containment laboratories and to direct funds to this purpose. A public engagement program could address the concerns that have surfaced in siting high-containment laboratories. Often, proponents of the labs interpret protests against the laboratories as a lack of understanding of science: however, the concerns about the labs are varied. For example, there have been concerns that the labs would become a terrorist target, or that the laboratory would not provide jobs to the community. The communites' concerns could be actively addressed both by HHS and NIAID and by the institution sponsoring the laboratory. These high-containment laboratories should be a critical part of the research infrastructure for understanding the mechanisms of pathogenicity, as well as developing and testing medical countermeasures. However, as these labs come online, so should new systems for training of personnel, monitoring safety performance, and engaging the public. Experience has shown that proactive steps such as these can lead to more effective and cost-efficient safety management than burdensome requirements imposed following a serious accident. A new governance framework could enable the laboratories to operate more safely, with consideration for their communities, and it could help the laboratories fulfill their intended purpose of protecting the Nation against natural and man-made biological threats. ---------- Mr. Stupak. Thank you. Dr. Pearson. STATEMENT OF ALAN PEARSON, DIRECTOR, BIOLOGICAL AND CHEMICAL WEAPONS CONTROL PROGRAM, CENTER FOR ARMS CONTROL AND NON- PROLIFERATION Mr. Pearson. Well, thank you for inviting me to testify today on behalf of the Center for Arms Control and Non- Proliferation. Since 1980, the Center has been working to protect the American people from the threat of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and we see the issues being considered here today as integrals to achieving that goal. Over the last 6 years, the Federal Government has dramatically increased U.S. research and development activity and infrastructure focused on biological agents that could be used as biological weapons. The data are clear. Annual R&D funding is up six-fold since 2001. More than two dozen new high-containment facilities, which we have heard about, funded specifically to work with such agents. Over 15,000 individuals approved to work with such agents. This expansion recognizes our need for a national biodefense program but it is not necessarily an unalloyed good. It also creates risks to laboratory personnel, public health and national security. Basically, and we have heard this already today, when more dangerous research is performed by more people in more locations, there are simply more opportunities for significant biosafety or biosecurity breaches to occur. I would like to just make one point clear. The risk is not limited to the BSL-4 labs, although that is usually the focus of the attention. There is actually good reason for concern that the risk may be even greater at some of the BSL-3 labs. The most obvious risk is that of the lab accident. A second particularly acute risk that I would like to bring to your attention is that the very labs designed to protect us against biological weapons could become a source for them. The easiest way for a sub-state enemy, such as Al-Qaida, to obtain a bioweapons capability will be for it to penetrate an existing research project that uses these agents. Nor should we ignore the possibility that a U.S. biologist working in one of these labs could become disgruntled or even turn rogue. Some types of contemporary pathogen research taking place in these labs increase risk further still. For instance, efforts to deliberately enhance the virulence or transmissibility of pathogens, to understand how they cause disease, are inherently more risky than experiments of the past. They are also dual-use in nature, the knowledge and materials generated by the experiments can be used for either hostile or peaceful purposes. And a particular concern in this regard is threat assessment research, which is typically classified research that involves the exploration of offensive aspects of biological weapons agents and delivery mechanisms for defensive purposes. Looking internationally for just a moment, each of these concerns that you are hearing about becomes amplified. Our actions here, taken for the best of intentions of protecting our Nation, also provide a plausible justification for others to do the same. So there is a critical need for rigorous oversight and maximal transparency of these facilities and activities. What I would like to highlight here then are just a few of the tools that our Federal Government needs in order to ensure that oversight is stronger. First, Congress should mandate the establishment of a universally mandatory and transparent incident reporting system. Second, Congress should mandate a national licensing system and registry for all level 3 and level 4 facilities in the United States, including an integrated and effective auditing process. Licensing and registration are key to both effective oversight and comprehensive strategic planning. Third, Congress should mandate institutional biosafety committee review of all research projects involving bioweapons agents and other high- risk pathogens and activities. Fourth, Congress should make these requirements legally mandatory for all institutions, government, academic and private, not just those receiving funds from NIH and they should apply also to all relevant research, whether that research is classified or not. Fifth, compliance requires effective monitoring and enforcement. A law not monitored and enforced may be little better than a voluntary guideline. Congress should seriously consider consolidating all CDC and NIH, responsibilities and authorities relevant to monitoring and enforcing the suggestions I just made into a single office located within the Office of the Secretary of Health and Human Services. Sixth, Congress should mandate comprehensive inter-agency needs and risk assessments to determine our current and anticipated U.S. needs for high- containment facilities and the potential risks associated with them. Until such assessments are completed and reviewed, there should be no funding for any additional facilities. Last, Congress should modify section 351(a)()h of the Public Health Service Act to more narrowly and accurately define necessary and appropriate requirements for withholding information about activities involving these agents. As currently written, that section is hurting biosafety, biosecurity and national security by impeding public accountability of our institutions and Federal agencies and by reducing our ability to reassure others that our R&D activities comply with our obligations under international law. Thank you. [The prepared statement of Mr. Pearson follows:] [GRAPHICS NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Mr. Stupak. Thank you. Mr. Hammond, opening statement, 5 minutes, sir. STATEMENT OF EDWARD HAMMOND, THE SUNSHINE PROJECT Mr. Hammond. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It is the Sunshine Project and to explain what it is, it is a very small, non- governmental organization. We are based in Texas in the U.S. and Austin and also have an office in Hamburg, Germany and we are dedicated to biological weapons control. I have submitted lengthy written comments and addressing many of the issues that the prior panelists have addressed. I am not going to go back over them but I have presented some additional thoughts about where Congress might go on some these issues that have been raised. So to minimize duplication, I really just want to highlight a few of the things that I brought up in my written comments. The first thing that I would like to do is just to give a little bit of shape and talk a little bit about some data on the lab expansion that my organization has put together with Margaret Race from the SETI Institute. If you look at page two and three of my written testimony, we have tried to bring together a table that has data on the most important new labs that exists or are under construction. This table excludes a lot of laboratories that we know of. But if you look at just those labs that are there, you are talking about a construction spree that is going on right now that is approximately 4 million gross square feet. That is 90 acres of laboratory space that is either under construction or is going to be under construction shortly. In terms of BSL-4 space, the historic amount, in fact, the amount up until mid-2004 in the United States was about 14,000 net square feet. With the projects that are on the books right now, we are looking at approximately 165,000 square feet just with what is already either under construction or planned. That is a 12-fold increase approximately. We do not know the final finished square footage of some of the labs that are under construction but that is the best estimate that we can make. The four million square feet, to put that in terms that I think are more readily understandable, that is the size of about 36 big box stores. That is how much lab space we are going--if you stretch them end to end, it would a chain that is 2\1/4\ miles long. The second issue that I want to bring up which has not been directly addressed is that of transparency of the Centers for Disease Control. I filed numerous Freedom of Information Act requests with the Centers for Disease Control, spoken to many journalists and other non-governmental organizations that have done the same. It is the apparent policy of the Centers for Disease Control to not even attempt to locate records regarding select agents. They deny absolutely all requests for anything. So the level of transparency with respect to the Centers for Disease Control on its oversight of select agents is, well, non-existent. There is none. And I think that if I lived near a biological facility I would frankly find that to be offensive. Moving on, and I think this is an important point because it is emerging now, I believe that there is a positive correlation between the transparency of these laboratories and compliance and accident reporting. We saw in the case of Texas A&M that the revelation of one accident caused them to report several additional reportable incidents that occurred at the university. In my own research since then, I have found that two other institutions in Texas have reported select agent accidents, both of which occurred after Texas A&M became public. Those institutions did not report anything prior. And if the data that is coming out in the press now and the Associated Press and in other sources in the last few days is correct, there has been a tremendous spike in reports to the Centers for Disease Control of accidents involving select agents since April 2007. And I believe that that spike is, at least in part, attributable to--first of all, it is attributable to the expansion of our laboratories to begin with. But second of all, it is attributable to the transparency at Texas A&M. So there is a positive correlation between the two. Finally, to wrap up, with respect to the expansion of laboratories, I believe that our country does not need 400 laboratories and 15,000 people handling biological weapons agents. Our system cannot absorb all the new laboratories that are coming on line. Even with explicit training, we still do not need 400 laboratories and 15,000 people handling biological weapons agents. We do not have the people to absorb a 12-fold increase in biosafety level 4 capacity. I believe that Congress should act to impose a moratorium. It should not authorize construction of any new biodefense facilities and it should consider killing some projects that are underway. Among those, the National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility, the very unpopular lab at Boston University and the Regional Biocontainment lab at Hawaii, which is late and over budget. Even if we kill those projects, we are still going to be increasing our biosafety level 4 space by approximately seven-fold. And we should do that and step back and perform the national needs assessment and then we can move forward if we need to move forward with any new labs. Thank you. [The prepared statement of Mr. Hammond follows:] [GRAPHICS NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Mr. Stupak. Thank you. Thank you all for your testimony. We will begin questioning, Dr. Gronvall. You indicated that your training was through an apprenticeship? Ms. Gronvall. Yes. Mr. Stupak. And you got to answer yes or no. I am sorry. Ms. Gronvall. Yes. Mr. Stupak. OK. With the proliferation of labs then, if you have to go through an apprenticeship, where are they getting the people to work in these labs? Ms. Gronvall. Well, I mean by working in laboratories as you are training to be a biological scientist, you work in a lab, you learn from the people who have worked there for more years and have more experience. So that is what I mean by mentor apprentice relationship. Mr. Stupak. OK. In your testimony, you described the proliferation of these level 3 and level 4 labs in U.S. and around the world. Are there too many high-containment labs in the U.S. in your opinion? Ms. Gronvall. I would say that we have so much research that needs to be accomplished, but that I really would have to know what is going on in the laboratories. I do not have enough information to answer that. Mr. Stupak. So in other words, needs assessment? Msr. Gronvall. I would like to know more to answer. Mr. Stupak. Are you aware of anyone ever doing a needs assessment? Ms. Gronvall. No. Mr. Stupak. OK. You make the point that no blame reporting may be a method of improving voluntary reporting and our ability to learn from mistakes. Is this the same type of systems that is in place for the nuclear industry? You mentioned airline industry but is that the model you are looking at? Ms. Gronvall. I think the main points of any model for reporting would just be to encourage reporting and to not punish people for reporting to make sure that there are incentives to report and that you are capturing as much experience as possible. So there are a number of industries, I think the chemical industry also has a reporting system like that. Mr. Stupak. But if they do not report, you have no problem with a punishment system then? Ms. Gronvall. I think where you want to go is that you want to make reporting to be the norm and not reporting to be something that you do not want to do. Mr. Stupak. OK. Dr. Pearson, let me ask you the same question. Are there too many high-containment labs in the United States? Mr. Pearson. I do not think without having a good needs assessment that you can answer that question. Mr. Stupak. And you are not aware of---- Mr. Pearson. I have seen no evidence that there has been a good needs assessment done. Mr. Stupak. OK. What was that section you wanted us to look at, 351(a)(h)--the withholding? Mr. Pearson. Yes, it was passed in the Bioterrorism and Public Health Emergency Response Act of 2002. Mr. Stupak. OK. Mr. Hammond, you indicated there were two other Texas universities that came forward since Texas A&M became public. Do you know if the CDC has done anything with those two other universities? Mr. Hammond. No, sir. In part, that is why I drew attention to CDC's policy to immediately reject all Freedom of Information Act requests. In the past, in addition to the two universities in Texas that reported, we have uncovered numerous additional incidents in other States that required reporting or appear to require reporting and we cannot obtain any documentation to determine whether or not they were, in fact, reported and whether or not CDC acted on the reports. Mr. Stupak. Have you then turned that information over to CDC, your Sunshine Project? Mr. Hammond. I've made the information public in forums where CDC personnel--that are involved in the select agent program. Mr. Stupak. OK. After I want you to share that with the committee staff if you would. Those are the two universities, we will get to the bottom of it. You state in your testimony that the BSL lab expansion has gone ``far beyond what is prudent and necessary.'' What is your estimate then of what is prudent and necessary here in the United States? Mr. Hammond. I believe that a certain answer requires the needs assessment, however, my judgment based upon my experience is that we would be safer and could accomplish our national needs in biodefense if our program were perhaps a fifth or even smaller than what we have right now. That would imply a much smaller number of new labs. I believe that following the history of offensive biological weapons programs, following what happened in 2001 and expansion of our biodefense program was merited and that, logically, there should have been additional labs built to deal with revitalizing our biodefense program but we went considerably too far. So something on the order of a fifth is my estimation. Mr. Stupak. This committee has asked for a needs assessment too from CDC and they claim there is one out there but no one has ever seen it. Mr. Hammond. I believe that. Mr. Stupak. You mentioned private corporate labs, Mr. Hammond, as being unaccounted for in the Government's oversight of the labs 3 and 4. What would you like to see done there on the private lab? Mr. Hammond. One of the things that my organization has done in the past several years to look at the institutional biosafety committee system that is managed by the NIH Office of Biotechnology Activities. And compliance there is only required for institutions that are presently receiving NIH funding for recombinant DNA for genetic engineering research. I took a look at private sector compliance and found that out of the top 20 biotech companies, only about two are in compliance. I think that clearly the guidelines for recombinant DNA should be made a matter of law as should compliance with the BMBL and that should be applied to all laboratories, not simply those that are currently federally funded. Mr. Stupak. Thanks. My time is up but as I indicated in my opening statement, we will be sending our staff to look at some of these overseas labs. We are just as concerned. We want to get a hold of you or have you get a hold of us on what--because you are connected with Europe too you said. There is a Sunshine Project there? Mr. Hammond. Yes, sir. Mr. Stupak. OK. We may want to get some suggestions on what labs you think we ought to look at, both secure and not so secure. Mr. Burgess for questions. Mr. Burgess. Thank you. Mr. Hammond, just let me be sure that I understand correctly. You are advocating 80 percent reduction on available laboratory capacity from where we are right now? Mr. Hammond. No, sir. What I said was that I believe that a biodefense program that is approximately a fifth or perhaps even less of our present size would be able to adequately address our national security needs. And because there would be fewer people handling these agents and fewer laboratories, it would make us safer in the sense that there would be less opportunity for diversion of select agents. I am not advocating for any of the existing infrastructure, major infrastructure, to disappear. Rather this is with respect to the expansion. Mr. Burgess. So the expansion should be reduced by 80 percent. Are these expansion plans that currently exist? I guess what I am asking is--conducted the needs assessment that Chairman Stupak has asked CDC for. Do you have data that you can share with this committee about how you have arrived at those figures? Mr. Hammond. My statement was with respect to the program as a whole, not with respect to a laboratory, the fifth comment. Not with respect to laboratories in particular. With laboratories, I believe that do need the needs assessment. But it is my judgment, having spent now a number of years in very intense interaction with practically every laboratory that handles these agents in the US, particularly outside of the Government sector, that that scale reduction would be appropriate and would make us, in fact, safer. Mr. Burgess. Let me ask you this because you raise a point in your written testimony that is significant about the building of an infectious agent out of its component parts, the nucleic acid issue. And if I understand your writing correctly, the CDC, in fact, has a loophole that would allow such a constructive infectious agent, say if someone was building the 1918 flu, had one nucleic acid change, that then is no longer an agent that falls on the select list, is that correct? Mr. Hammond. That is correct, sir, in effect. The select agent rule in the plain language of the rule would appear to encompass these complimentary DNAs or these types of genetic constructs that you refer to. However, it appears that CDC has chosen to only consider those that are themselves infectious to be covered by the rule. And what this enables is for a person to possess, basically, all of the components that are needed to produce a select agent, even in a period of a few hours without being registered under the rule. Mr. Burgess. Mr. Chairman, I would like for it to be clarified to the committee, is this a rule that is been developed within the agency? Do they need legislative help to close the loophole? I would like for the committee staff to explore this so we know. This does not sound like a good idea and I think if we have learned nothing else today, this may be one of those things that we ought to try to immediately correct because it does sound like a significant defect. But I think I would also argue that we may need more lab space rather than less. But I do agree with you that the more people you have involved in a project, particularly when it is new and you are finding your way, the more people that are involved in a project, there is the greater potential for human error. Mr. Hammond, I got to tell you, I am from Texas. I have never heard of your group before. Where do you get your funding? Mr. Hammond. In the way that most non-governmental organizations do. I receive contributions from individuals and I raise funding from foundations. Mr. Burgess. Can you supply to this committee a list of your major donors? Mr. Hammond. I would be happy to, sir, but certainly I have a policy. I mean, the Sunshine Project engages in criticizing others on transparency issues, so certainly I would be more than happy to answer any question you have with respect to my organization. Mr. Burgess. You anticipated my question. I would ask the committee to make that generally available to members of the committee. And then I just have to ask you this. At the bottom, just before the table at the bottom of the first page, you reference the Sunshine Project, the Margaret Race of the SETI Institute. What does that acronym stand for? Mr. Hammond. It is a NASA-funded institute that has to---- Mr. Burgess. Is that the Search for Extra Terrestrial---- Mr. Hammond. Yes, Extra Terrestrial Intelligence. Mr. Burgess. OK. Mr. Hammond. If I may, the interest there is that--and it can be corrected if I misspeak but the interest there is that the Government, NASA, has a long-term interest in potentially constructing a level 4 laboratory in the event that they return samples from Mars and so, therefore, NASA is interested in--it has funded work at the SETI Institution to keep track of issues related to biosafety level 4 labs. Mr. Burgess. As I recall, this group out of Berkeley was the one that connected personal computers across the country to evaluate whether there were meaningful signals coming from outer space. Do I remember that correctly? Mr. Hammond. Sir, I honestly do not know but I do not believe so. Mr. Burgess. OK, I just had to ask. Mr. Chairman, if I may just ask Dr. Pearson a question. Your concept of the large oversight organization, is that generally accepted by other scientists who work in this area? If we were to take a poll of scientists who work on these problems, they would be enthusiastically supportive of you, moderately supportive of you or recoil in horror? Where would they fall on that metaphysical scale? Mr. Pearson. I think that you are asking a very good question. Certainly, it's a concept that has raised a lot of controversy and concern in the science community. We have an advisory board right now that is trying to look exactly at this question of what kind of oversight should be implemented on a national level. It is certainly an ongoing discussion. I think the question here is not whether or not we should have national oversight. The debate is over what that oversight should look like. Mr. Burgess. Mr. Chairman, I would just reference tab 22 in the binder you provided for us. There is some concern that too much movement too quickly in this arena will, in fact, stymie safety and have the adverse affect on safety that we all seek. So again, I do urge a little bit of caution when we get to the business of writing legislation. I do hope you will let the minority participate in whatever legislative comes out of these hearings and I will yield back the balance of my time. Mr. Stupak. Thank you, gentlemen. You mention national security. We invited the Department of Homeland Security to assist us in answering some of these questions and I was surprised and displeased, to say at the least, that they refused to show up, even though they are responsible for Homeland Security. So they declined our invitation but there will be more work to be done. Concludes questions. We got votes on the floor, so I am going to excuse this panel. I thank them for coming. Before you leave, one more question. Plum Island up in New York, we have a level 4 lab there, level 3, and they want to shut that one down and move it to the mainland. I think they do mostly foot-and-mouth disease there. Good idea, bad idea? Any comments. EHS does, that is why we are still to answer the question but go ahead. Mr. Hammond, I will go right down the line. Mr. Hammond. My comment would be that it is not entirely clear to me at all that, in fact, Plum Island will be closed if the National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility is constructed. Among my recommendations was that Congress consider terminating the project to construct the National Bio and Agro-Defense Facility. Mr. Stupak. Right. Mr. Hammond. Which would possibly imply that Plum Island would remain open, which is, I believe, may happen anyway. Mr. Stupak. Plum Island is one of the few places where no one lives there, it is just the lab is the only thing on Plum Island. That is why it makes sense I think. Dr. Pearson, anything on Plum Island or no opinion? Mr. Pearson. I am sorry, say that again. Mr. Stupak. Plum Island, should they close it? Mr. Pearson. Sure. Mr. Stupak. Move it to the mainland? Mr. Pearson. I think that with the case of Plum Island you have a 50-year old facility that clearly either needs to be replaced on Plum Island or replaced somewhere else. The issue with moving it to the mainland, I think the primary issue given the agents it is going to work with is, again, one of what happens if an agent gets out. If it is working with FMD and you plunk it down in the middle of cattle territory, is that a significant concern. So that is one thing. That is why it has been on Plum Island. It is simply an issue of do we have the oversight levels safe enough at that. The only other issue that I would raise and this, again, gets back to the needs assessment, I do believe that there is a need for a facility like Plum Island or NBAF. The issue is the new NBAF facility is going to be three times the size of Plum Island. So the question is, is it being scoped out in the right way. And that is where the needs assessment needs to come in. I believe DHS has at least done some needs assessment on that. I have not seen it and the committee might want to look at that. Mr. Stupak. Thank you. Dr. Gronvall? Ms. Gronvall. I think as far as Plum Island goes, the issue is really there are pluses and minuses for keeping it there or moving it. But the agents that they are going to be working with are select agents, the people who are involved go through the security procedure but there is no safety procedure and I think that is something that would need to be considered if you are going to keep it there or move it to make sure that the people are trained that are in the laboratory. Mr. Stupak. OK. Thank you and I will dismiss this panel and thank you for sharing your testimony with us today. That concludes all questioning. I want to thank the witnesses for coming today. I ask unanimous consent that the hearing will remain open for 30 days for additional questions for the record. With no objection, the record will remain open. I ask unanimous consent that the contents of our document binder be entered in the record and the staff have the chance to edit any sensitive documents prior to printing. No objection, the documents will be entered in the record. That concludes our hearing. This meeting of the subcommittee is adjourned. [Whereupon, at 2:55 p.m., the subcommittee was adjourned.] [Material submitted for inclusion in the record follows:] [GRAPHICS NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT]