[Senate Hearing 110-907] [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office] S. Hrg. 110-907 EXAMINING THE TERRORISM RISK INSURANCE PROGRAM ======================================================================= HEARING before the COMMITTEE ON BANKING,HOUSING,AND URBAN AFFAIRS UNITED STATES SENATE ONE HUNDRED TENTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION ON MAINTAINING AND IMPROVING THE NATION'S SECURITY AND PROSPERITY THROUGH THE PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP CREATED BY THE TERRORISM RISK INSURANCE ACT OF 2002 THAT PROTECTS AMERICAN WORKERS, JOBS, BUSINESSES, AND INFRASTRUCTURE FROM FUTURE ATTACKS __________ WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 28, 2007 __________ Printed for the use of the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs Available at: http: //www.access.gpo.gov /congress /senate / senate05sh.html U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 50-310 WASHINGTON : 2009 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For Sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office Internet: bookstore.gpo.gov Phone: toll free (866) 512-1800; (202) 512�091800 Fax: (202) 512�092104 Mail: Stop IDCC, Washington, DC 20402�090001 COMMITTEE ON BANKING, HOUSING, AND URBAN AFFAIRS CHRISTOPHER J. DODD, Connecticut, Chairman TIM JOHNSON, South Dakota RICHARD C. SHELBY, Alabama JACK REED, Rhode Island ROBERT F. BENNETT, Utah CHARLES E. SCHUMER, New York WAYNE ALLARD, Colorado EVAN BAYH, Indiana MICHAEL B. ENZI, Wyoming THOMAS R. CARPER, Delaware CHUCK HAGEL, Nebraska ROBERT MENENDEZ, New Jersey JIM BUNNING, Kentucky DANIEL K. AKAKA, Hawaii MIKE CRAPO, Idaho SHERROD BROWN, Ohio JOHN E. SUNUNU, New Hampshire ROBERT P. CASEY, Pennsylvania ELIZABETH DOLE, North Carolina JON TESTER, Montana MEL MARTINEZ, Florida Shawn Maher, Staff Director William D. Duhnke, Republican Staff Director and Counsel Alex Sternhell, Professional Staff Julie Y. Chon, International Economic Policy Adviser Mark Osterle, Republican Counsel Andrew Olmem, Republican Counsel Joseph R. Kolinski, Chief Clerk and Computer Systems Administrator George Whittle, Editor C O N T E N T S ---------- WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 28, 2007 Page Opening statement of Chairman Dodd............................... 1 Opening statements, comments, or prepared statements of: Senator Shelby............................................... 4 Senator Reed................................................. 5 Senator Enzi................................................. 6 Senator Brown................................................ 7 Senator Bennett.............................................. 8 Senator Martinez............................................. 9 Senator Carper............................................... 9 Senator Bunning.............................................. 10 Senator Menendez............................................. 11 Senator Schumer.............................................. 13 WITNESSES Charles Clarke, Vice Chairman, The Travelers Companies, Inc., on behalf of The American Insurance Association................... 14 Prepared Statement........................................... 42 Response to written questions of: Senator Enzi............................................. 162 Senator Bunning.......................................... 166 Thomas Minkler, President, Clark-Mortenson Agency, Inc., on behalf of the Independent Insurance Agents and Brokers of America, Inc................................................... 16 Prepared Statement........................................... 47 Michael J. Peninger, President and Chief Executive Officer, Assurant Employee Benefits, on behalf of the American Council of Life Insurers............................................... 18 Prepared Statement........................................... 56 Response to written questions of: Senator Shelby........................................... 170 Senator Enzi............................................. 173 James H. Veghte, Executive Vice President/Chief Executive Officer of Reinsurance General Operations and Chief Executive Officer of XL Reinsurance America, Inc., on behalf of the Reinsurance Association of America......................................... 19 Prepared Statement........................................... 62 Response to written questions of: Senator Enzi............................................. 173 Senator Bunning.......................................... 175 Michael McRaith, Director, Illinois State Division of Insurance, on behalf of the National Association of Insurance Commissioners.................................................. 21 Prepared Statement........................................... 72 Travis B. Plunkett, Legislative Director, Consumer Federation of America........................................................ 23 Prepared Statement........................................... 84 Arthur M. Coppola, President and CEO, Macerich Company, on behalf of the Coalition To Insure Against Terrorism................... 25 Prepared Statement........................................... 132 Janno Lieber, Senior Vice President, World Trade Center Properties..................................................... 27 Prepared Statement........................................... 141 Don Bailey, CEO, Willis North America, on behalf of the Council of Insurance Agents and Brokers................................ 29 Prepared Statement........................................... 149 Additional Material Supplied for the Record Statement from the National Association of REALTORS............. 178 Hot Topics from the National Association of REALTORS............ 185 Statement from the Property Casualty Insurers Association of America........................................................ 193 EXAMINING THE TERRORISM RISK INSURANCE PROGRAM ---------- WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 28, 2007 U.S. Senate, Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs, Washington, DC. The Committee met at 10:36 a.m., in room SD-538, Dirksen Senate Office Building, Senator Christopher J. Dodd (Chairman of the Committee) presiding. OPENING STATEMENT OF CHAIRMAN CHRISTOPHER J. DODD Chairman Dodd. The Committee will come to order, if we can. I thank all of you for being here with us this morning. Earlier this year, upon assuming the chairmanship of this Committee, I stated that the Committee would focus on two overarching goals: maintaining and improving our Nation's security and prosperity. The subject of today's hearing-- namely, a public-private partnership created by the Terrorism Risk Insurance Act of 2002 to protect American workers, jobs, businesses, and infrastructure from future terrorist attacks-- is, in my view, critical to both the security and prosperity of our Nation. This morning, the Committee will hear testimony from policyholders, insurers, and regulators, those who have firsthand knowledge of the challenges associated with buying, selling, underwriting, and regulating terrorism risk insurance. I would like to thank our witnesses--we have a long panel here this morning--for being here. I would also like to thank them for the testimony they are going to give this morning on this legislation. Many of my colleagues on this Committee have worked very, very hard for a number of years on this issue. We have collaborated on a bipartisan and bicameral basis to enact both the Terrorism Risk Insurance Act, known as TRIA, in 2002 and an extension of the TRIA program in 2005. And I would be remiss at this moment if I did not thank my colleague from Alabama, who has some strong views on the issue and has been tremendously cooperative and helpful in trying to put together some worthwhile legislation in this area. In 2002, the Senate voted by an overwhelming margin of 86- 11 to pass TRIA. In 2005, the Banking Committee, under the chairmanship of Senator Shelby, reported by a unanimous vote legislation to extend TRIA for an additional 2 years. The bill later was approved by the full Senate, also by a unanimous vote. I think it is important to take a moment to talk about the importance of TRIA and why I believe we must act again to establish a more permanent Federal initiative to provide coverage from potential terrorist attacks. In the aftermath of 9/11, the market for terrorism risk insurance disappeared-- disappeared--and the American economy dealt with a great deal of uncertainty. We repeatedly heard from businesses, large and small, from labor unions, manufacturers, builders, and lenders, from the nonprofits like universities and hospitals, and from insurers about the need for the Federal Government to help stabilize the market and ensure the availability of affordable insurance against the risk of future terrorist attacks. The critical U.S. industry sectors were in dire need of terrorism insurance to obtain credit, loans, and investments necessary for their normal business operations. Without terrorism risk coverage, the economy faced instability and dislocation, which is exactly what the terrorists hope to accomplish in many ways. The policyholder community and insurers together called for a response to the 9/11 attack on our Nation and our Nation's economy. Congress listened and we acted in 2002, creating the Terrorism Risk Insurance Act. TRIA created a 3-year program, as many of you will recall. The Terrorist Risk Insurance Program, located within the Department of Treasury, established a Federal backstop against catastrophic losses in the property and casualty insurance marketplace. In December of 2005, a 2-year TRIA extension was signed into law. The provisions of that bill will expire, as many of you know, on December 31st of this year--hence, the hearing today and the sense of urgency about moving rather quickly here. Under TRIA, the Federal Government shoulders a share of the financial risk of future attacks. The burden sharing makes sense, in my view. These attacks are against us as Americans and our way of life. The attacks are aimed at the American public and, therefore, require, in my view, a public role in addressing this threat in light of the circumstances we face. But TRIA also requires that the private sector bear a significant financial responsibility and help to impose market discipline in the claims and underwriting processes. In the past 5 years, we have heard an overwhelming response from policyholders across the country. TRIA has worked, and it has worked very, very well. According to a recent study by the Wharton Risk Management and Decision Processes Center at the University of Pennsylvania, roughly 50 percent of commercial enterprises through 2005 purchased terrorism insurance. According to Marsh, Inc., and cited by the President's Working Group on Financial Markets, take-up rates have increased from 23 percent at the beginning of 2003 to 64 percent at the end of 2005 while the price of terrorism insurance has actually declined. The median cost of property terrorism insurance was 25 percent lower in 2005 than the 2004 rates. These trends demonstrate, in my view, that TRIA has achieved its primary goal: continued availability and affordability of insurance against future attacks. What we have seen and what we may hear and what many of our witnesses will explain today is that the re-emergence of limited terrorism risk insurance would not have happened without the enactment of TRIA. We will also hear that the private sector does not have the capacity to provide affordable terrorism risk insurance on its own without the existence of a Federal backstop. In a 2005 Treasury Department survey, nearly 50 percent of insurers said that they do not plan to write terrorism insurance after TRIA expires. So the question before us today is: Do we do nothing to financially protect our country against future attacks? Do we provide another short-term extension to meet the current market needs? Or do we try to create a longer- term solution for the security of our people and our economy? I firmly believe that doing nothing is simply not an option and one that cannot even be considered here. The world has fundamentally changed since 9/11. Nearly all of the data and the experts say that there is no reason to think that private forces alone could and would provide against this very unique risk. We have every reason to believe that the Federal role for terrorism risk insurance coverage is needed for the foreseeable future. Several industrialized countries have already recognized this fact. The United Kingdom, France, Germany, and others have created permanent Government programs to manage terrorism risk. We know from the tragic attacks in London, Madrid, India, and Indonesia--and elsewhere, I might add--that terrorism has increased since 9/11. In a world of more terrorism, we should be providing more security, not less. Our Nation has truly been fortunate enough not to suffer the tremendous loss of life or destruction of property that we endured on September 11th of 2001. But by no means has the political climate, either domestically or abroad, returned to a sense of normalcy. We are engaged in a violent conflict in Iraq, and we have seen desperate terrorist attacks abroad in Europe and elsewhere. The threat of terrorism is not simply a short-term threat. It has potential to be a long-term reality. I think most of us recognize that. As a result, I believe that we must act once again to ensure that stability, availability, and affordability remain in the market for terrorism risk insurance. But I do not believe that we should continue to extend the program for short-term periods, causing further uncertainty and confusion in our economy. A more permanent Federal commitment, I think, is not only something we should do but something we must do. I am committed to finding a solution that will address the long- term security needs of our people and our economy and ensure that our Nation is best prepared to deal with future terrorist threats. I believe that one of the most fundamental obligations of our National Government is to provide security and opportunity for our fellow citizens. With the expiration of TRIA approaching later this year, it is important to gather information about the current market for terrorism risk insurance, to assess the impact that TRIA has had in this marketplace, and to develop some ideas for creating more permanent terrorism risk insurance. Today's witnesses offer an extraordinary range of expertise and experience that I think can be very useful to this Committee as it undertakes this important effort, and I thank them again for their attendance and participation. More than 5 years after the tragic events of 9/11, we continue to see a need to provide a Federal backstop to protect our people, businesses, and critical infrastructure from these attacks. We have heard repeated dire warnings that terrorism will return to U.S. soil. We must be prepared against this threat, and in my view, providing insurance against those attacks allows our economy to function and is a critical part of our national preparedness. And I believe that by working together we can establish a more permanent solution. So, again, I thank my colleagues for their work over the years on this issue, many of whom on this Committee were very involved as we went through this process now twice before. And, again, my thanks particularly to Senator Shelby, who has been a leader on this issue over the last number of years as he chaired this Committee. So, with that, let me turn to my colleague from Alabama for any opening comments he has. I will then turn to my colleagues for any comments they might want to make on the subject matter. And I would ask them to be relatively brief, if they could, so we can get to our witnesses and their statements this morning. Senator Shelby. STATEMENT OF SENATOR RICHARD C. SHELBY Senator Shelby. Thank you, Chairman Dodd. In November 2002, Congress passed the Terrorism Risk Insurance Act, or TRIA, to address perceived failures in the terrorism risk insurance market stemming from the September 11th terrorist attacks. The stated purpose of the legislation was to establish a temporary Federal program that would ensure the widespread availability and affordability of terrorism risk insurance. This temporary program was intended to provide, and I quote, ``a transitional period for the private markets to stabilize, resume pricing of such insurance, and build capacity to absorb any future losses.'' This year, the Committee will consider once again whether to reauthorize the Terrorism Risk Insurance Program. The reauthorization of a program typically involves a careful review of the program's success at fulfilling its legislative mandate. A review of the Terrorism Risk Insurance Program, however, is particularly important due to the disincentives that the program creates for the private sector to devise solutions to terrorism risk. Because the program involves a commitment by the Federal Government to pay for a large portion of the losses incurred by a terrorist attack, the market has significantly less incentive to create new ways to manage terrorism risk. To prevent such crowding out of private sector solutions, I believe we need to ensure that the program is focused on addressing the market failure described in its legislative purpose. Considering the dramatic improvement in our Nation's economy and insurance market since TRIA was enacted, it appears that the program has made substantial progress in satisfying its purpose. In its report to the Committee, the President's Working Group on Financial Markets reported that the availability and affordability of terrorism risk insurance has improved since 9/11. It found that prices for terrorism insurance have fallen and take-up rates have increased. In light of the improved condition of our terrorism insurance market, additional scrutiny of the scope of the Terrorism Insurance Program appears warranted here. Finally, as we begin our review of TRIA today, we should be mindful of the inherent limitations of Government solutions to complex and technical problems. We should recognize that it is very unlikely that Congress can create an insurance program better than market forces, given the opportunity to do so. Congress might be able to devise a quick fix to a temporary market failure, as we have done, but in the long run, the most durable solution will in all probability come from our private sector. The creativity of our financial markets and their ability to innovate are factors that should be given great weight in this debate. Although we are likely to hear testimony today about the difficulties in insuring against terrorism risk, it is important to remember that innovation springs from necessity. While we need to appropriately address any market failures in the insurance industry, we must also encourage at the same time the facilitation and innovation beyond the Government program as well. I want to welcome all of our witnesses today, and, Chairman Dodd, I appreciate you bringing this to our attention and calling this hearing. Chairman Dodd. Thank you very much, Senator Shelby. Senator Reed. STATEMENT OF SENATOR JACK REED Senator Reed. Well, thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, gentlemen. I, too, want to commend Chairman Dodd and former Chairman Shelby for their leadership on this issue. Terrorism, regretfully, is still with us. In fact, open-source reporting suggests that Zawahiri and Bin Laden are somewhere in Pakistan attempting to re-establish their network. So this threat has not gone away. In fact, many people have suggested that it is high probability that the United States will be attacked again. So this is not an academic discussion today. I think TRIA has worked very well. I think it should be extended on a more permanent basis. I think also, too, there are particular areas of concern that have to be addressed. One is workmen's compensation. Typically, the incidents that we have seen involve a concentrated attack on one facility involving in some cases employees of just one company or several companies. The workers' compensation insurers in those cases have an unusual liability and exposure. In fact, in my home State of Rhode Island, we have one agency, a quasi- governmental agency, Beacon. There are 26 other States, including New York, Utah, Colorado, Wyoming, Kentucky, Hawaii, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Idaho, and Montana, that have a similar arrangement. If there was such an incident in any one of these States, it is quite possible that that insurer would fail without reinsurance, and that failure would be now the burden of the State or some other ad hoc arrangement. So I do think we have to continue support this effort. A final point I will make. We are concerned on this Committee--and I think the Chairman is going to lead us in our efforts--about the competitiveness of American financial markets and other markets around the globe. TRIA is one of those factors that provides a certain degree of certitude, safety, predictability that gives our market strength vis-a-vis other markets. I would hate to see a situation where we take this away and create competitive incentives to move business into other markets other than the United States. For all these reasons, I think we have to press forward on this reauthorization. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman Dodd. Thank you very much, Senator Reed. Senator Enzi. STATEMENT OF SENATOR MICHAEL B. ENZI Senator Enzi. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. You and I got to head up the Subcommittee under the direction of Chairman Sarbanes and Ranking Member Gramm that did the original TRIA bill. Chairman Dodd. Right. Senator Enzi. And I am glad that we are having this hearing. I hope that the testimony today and in future hearings on this subject will help us understand the state of the insurance industry since the 9/11 attacks, and specifically since the last reauthorization of the Terrorism Risk Insurance Act. Following the September 11th attacks, our insurance market suffered losses of approximately $32 billion, an enormous amount by any standard. The Committee responded by crafting legislation to create a shared public-private partnership to allow the markets to stabilize and make terrorism insurance available again. This program was envisioned to be limited and temporary; however, as I am sure some witnesses will testify today, it has taken longer than expected for the markets to recover, so now in 2007, this Committee is meeting to consider another reauthorization of the TRIA program, or possibly to make it permanent. As this Committee moves forward on this topic, I have some concerns that I will be focusing on. The first is taxpayer liability. In 2001, I supported a bill, along with other Members of this Committee, including Chairman Dodd, that would have created a temporary program containing explicit protections for the taxpayer in the case of terrorist attacks and lawsuits resulting from an attack. The bipartisan bill never came to a vote on the Senate floor. In fact, it never was allowed by Majority Leader Daschle to actually be introduced. Many of the taxpayer protections, including a ban on punitive damages and the regulations of out-of-court settlements, were later added. I believe these protections against punitive damage payments and settlements are very important to the American taxpayer, and I will be looking to ensure that they remain intact should this Committee consider reauthorization legislation in the future. I also supported the 2005 TRIA reauthorization because it represented a significant scaling back of the program, allowing the private market to grow in its place. And studies have shown that the insurance market has grown significantly in response. The 2006 report on terrorism risk insurance conducted by the President's Working Group on Financial Markets found that firms have had more success modeling and managing terrorism risk. Reinsurance capacity continues to grow, and insurance companies' net worth is rising. That is positive progress as a result of the 2005 reforms that increased event triggers and deductibles for the insurance companies and excluded number of eligible insurance lines. However, I am concerned that this progress will slow down or stop if the TRIA program is not allowed to continue along this projection. In 2005, the Congressional Budget Office stated that if the Government continued to subsidize terrorism insurance, it would probably contribute to deferring the private sector's long-term adjustment to the increase in risk. This is a significant issue, especially if some are considering an expansion of the program. We must allow the markets to continue to innovate and price terrorism risk accurately. I do not think this can be done with such a large Government presence in the marketplace. In a free market, prices are accurate and competition leads to innovation. I am worried that the continued presence of the TRIA program would distort the market in both price and competition. And as this Committee evaluates TRIA, I will be looking for ways to allow the market to grow and strengthen without large Government subsidies and without leaving the taxpayer on the hook. I thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman Dodd. Thank you. Senator Brown. STATEMENT OF SENATOR SHERROD BROWN Senator Brown. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and Senator Shelby. I commend you for your leadership in scheduling today's hearing on such an important topic. I appreciate the witnesses for taking the time to come and share their perspectives on the proper roles for the Federal Government and for the private sector in responding to these terrorism risks. I think these roles are dynamic ones. Each year we learn a little more. Each year our economy and our Government adapt and change in response to the challenges we face. I think this is certainly true of the insurance market. In the wake of September 11th, we were, of course, stunned and uncertain as to what the future would hold. But the economy as a whole soon regained its footing, even though the economy since then and the recovery since then has benefited some Americans a lot more than it has others. We talk a lot today about risk. Many families in Ohio are facing different kinds of risks--lost health care, lost jobs, lost homes--and are struggling to make ends meet. While this may not seem to be the topic of today's hearing, it should always be relevant. I want to be absolutely sure that the burden assigned to those people personally who are taking risks in their lives every day, that the burden assigned to them as taxpayers in my State and elsewhere is as small as possible. The financial condition of the insurance industry, by contrast, seems to have grown stronger by many measures over the past few decades. While this country has experienced substantial losses due to terrorism and hurricanes, the headlines are not necessarily reflected in the bottom lines. At the same time, the ability of financial markets to disperse risk has become much more sophisticated over this period. This is not necessarily an unmitigated good, but it is a reality that we should bear in mind. We need to be careful that whatever action we take to extend the Terrorism Risk Insurance Program does not interfere with the assumption of more and more risk by the private sector. I am not sure that the Federal Government should be in the reinsurance business forever. I think our goal should be to withdraw the Federal Government from the market over time and permit private mechanisms to assume the risks now borne by taxpayers. I do not pretend to know at this point how long it might take or the exact route we need to follow to get there, but I think that needs to be our ultimate goal. I hope today's witnesses can help us find answers. Chairman Dodd. Thanks very much, Senator. Senator Bennett. STATEMENT OF SENATOR ROBERT F. BENNETT Senator Bennett. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have been honored to be a cosponsor with you of this legislation in the past and will do what I can to help move it forward. The one thing I think we should remember in this overall debate is that insurance companies do not take risks. Insurance companies manage risk. Insurance companies spread risk. Insurance companies make risk affordable. But if there is a huge risk that could eliminate the company, the company will not take it. And the cost, potential cost, of a huge terrorist act is so great that insurance companies will not take it. Now, by putting a cap on the amount of risk that is involved by virtue of the TRIA legislation that we passed, we have allowed the market that can be quantified, can be spread, can be made affordable to thrive. I am afraid if we take that cap off so that the insurance companies are faced with the entire risk, they will simply say, ``We cannot take it. It is too damaging to our shareholders. We will not write policies above a certain level.'' And if we do that, ironically, and there is a terrorist attack, the taxpayers will pay for it. What we have done with TRIA is create, in effect, a huge deductible for the Federal Government, and we have said, OK, whatever the level is set at--$80 billion, $100 billion, wherever it might be--this amount the insurance companies cover. Well, that amount we can handle. So if the price is higher than that, we have created a deductible for the taxpayer to say, well, we only have to pay whatever above that amount. I was here during 9/11. Most of us were. We remember the emotions that followed that. The attitude in the Congress was: Whatever it takes, we will pay. Whatever it costs to rebuild New York City, we will pay it. And there was no deductible. So for those who say, ``Gee, we do not want to put the taxpayer at risk,'' my attitude is we are doing the taxpayer a major favor when we are creating a very large deductible and thereby making sure the taxpayer does not have to pay the whole bill if we do not have TRIA and we have all of the problems of a future attack. It is for those reasons, Mr. Chairman, that I have been with you on this legislation in the past, and I will do what I can to help move it forward now. Chairman Dodd. I thank you very much, Senator Bennett. You have been a great asset as we have--we have had clarity talking about this issue and the importance of it. Senator Martinez. STATEMENT OF SENATOR MEL MARTINEZ Senator Martinez. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I, too, appreciate this very timely hearing, and I have been a support of terrorism insurance, understanding that, as has been pointed out, the private markets cannot always adjust to a terrorism event, as we saw on 9/11. And more recently, I also want us to make sure that I allow the group to know my interest in another problem that we have had. This past couple of days ago, Governor Crist led a group of Southern Governors, the Southern Governors Association, representing 15 States, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands, passing a resolution asking for the creation of a national catastrophic fund relating to natural disasters and other issues that have been difficult for the private market to undertake. While that is a completely separate issue and should not be merged into this discussion today of this particular issue, which I know is so important and I support its continuation, I did want to highlight this issue for the Committee because it is so important to my home State of Florida where truly a crisis in insurance is unfolding, and one that is impacting not only everyday families as they struggle to make ends meet, but really is having a broader impact on business and the quality of life. So I hope at some point in the future we can also address this very, very serious issue facing the State of Florida. Chairman Dodd. Senator Martinez, I think I have told you and I have told your colleague, Senator Nelson, as Chair of this Committee, that we will have a hearing on the subject matter you raise here this morning. You are right. It is a separate issue, but a very, very important one, and certainly one that is deserving of this Committee's attention. So we are planning to schedule a hearing to talk about that and the ideas and suggestions coming out of the States that are most directly affected by it. So we look forward to working with you and your colleague as to a witness list and others so that we will have a good, comprehensive hearing on the subject. Senator Martinez. Well, thank you, Mr. Chairman. That is terrific. I appreciate that very much. Senator Nelson and I are working very closely together on this. He has expertise, having been Commissioner of Insurance in our State, and so we will look forward to working with you on a hearing. Chairman Dodd. Thanks very much. Senator Carper. STATEMENT OF SENATOR THOMAS R. CARPER Senator Carper. Thanks, Mr. Chairman. I will be very brief. We have got a lot of witnesses here. I am anxious to hear from them, as I am sure we all are. Mr. Chairman, you and our Ranking Member, and certainly Senator Bennett, have been very active on this front for a number of years. I hope I serve long enough in the Senate that we do not have to have this kind of program and that it is something that we talked about in the old days that we just do not need anymore. That would be a blessed event. But I thank you, especially, Mr. Chairman, for your leadership. I met earlier today with some of the Commissioners, the 9/ 11 Commissioners--Lee Hamilton and others--to talk about the 9/ 11 bill that is back on the floor today to sort of clean up and finish up the implementing and trying to enact the last recommendations of the 9/11 Commission that we did not take up before. It is an important bill that enjoys strong bipartisan support. While on the one hand we prepare to address the calamity or catastrophe, should it occur, through TRIA, through our insurance and reinsurance program, on the other hand, we are working to make sure that we prevent those kinds of events. And so the two really go hand in glove, and we appreciate your advice today as we try to improve on the TRIA legislation that I think expires later this year, while at the same time literally over on the Senate floor we are working to try to prevent these kinds of incidents. Thank you. Chairman Dodd. Thanks very much. Senator Bunning. STATEMENT OF SENATOR JIM BUNNING Senator Bunning. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am glad we are discussing this issue early in the year rather than waiting until the expiration of the 2005 extension of the Terrorism Risk Insurance Program. While I do believe that at this point in time Congress needs to take action to ensure continued availability of terrorism insurance, I do not think we should make the current program permanent. Congress first authorized TRIA in 2002 because the private insurance market would not or could not cover terrorism risk in that time of uncertainty. Since 2002, our Nation is more secure and our private insurance market is more developed. Congress must be careful not to promote programs that may endanger further development of that market. Any legislation we pass this year should encourage more private insurance coverage for terrorism risk and reduce taxpayer exposure. Some of the witnesses today are going to ask for an expansion of the Federal program. To them, I would like to ask how industry can expand its own programs. In the 2005 reauthorization, Congress asked for a report from the President's Working Group on the Financial Markets. Last September, that report was completed, and it made some very interesting findings. First, private insurance has developed for almost all kinds of terrorism risk. Second, further expansion of TRIA is not needed to keep growing private markets. I am disappointed that the President's Working Group is not represented on today's panel, as I think the Committee needs to hear from them before we do anything. Instead of granting a blanket extension of TRIA, we should develop incentives to create private reserves. That may require tax incentives, which can complicate legislation, but we should not dismiss the possibility. Another viable idea is the creation of a private pool for terrorism risk similar to what has been done in Britain. I would remind my colleagues to look at what has happened with flood insurance before we give up on the private marketplace. The National Flood Insurance Program has cost the taxpayers billions of dollars, has stalled innovation of products, and has discouraged insurance companies from entering the market. Our financial service companies have some of America's brightest and most innovative people working for them. I have full confidence that they will develop better ways to address the terrorism problem if we give them the right tools. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman Dodd. Thank you very much, Senator. Senator Menendez. STATEMENT OF SENATOR ROBERT MENENDEZ Senator Menendez. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to thank you for holding what I think is an incredibly important hearing today. I want to acknowledge, Mr. Chairman, your leadership on this issue over the past few years and the work of so many Members of the Committee. I appreciate Senator Shelby as well in terms of moving forward on such a hearing. You know, Mr. Chairman, prior to coming to the Senate, I represented a district right across from Ground Zero. My State lost 700 residents on September 11th. That is an immeasurable, incalculable, priceless loss. But in addition to that priceless loss, what would have happened not just to the region's economy, but as a ripple effect, I would argue, to the national economy is if Congress has not passed TRIA, and the consequences that would have flowed from that would have even been more enormous, would have been magnified. The terrorists would have created much more damage than they did as it was. So the reality is that for so many of our private sector initiatives to have a robust economy, TRIA was incredibly important. I am all for the private marketplace trying to come up with its own products, but to be very honest with you, Mr. Chairman, I just simply have not seen it. And I do not see it on the immediate horizon. And so the question becomes what do we continue to do to ensure that economic security--which is how I view this. I do not view this as private sector security. I see this as economic security--that economic security is preserved. And so when I look at some of our own interests in the region, which are magnified, could be any place in the country for that fact, but, for example, we have the mega part of the east coast, the port of Newark and Elizabeth, the type of cranes, machinery, and equipment there to try to find them insurance in the marketplace, simply cannot happen. I know a lot of our colleagues are big promoters of trade. You cannot have that trade if you cannot get them in and out of ports, both for exporting our products and importing them. That is only one of many, many different dimensions. And so, ultimately, I do think we need to clearly at least extend TRIA and look at it to see how, in fact, we can continue to provide economic security. That is what this is all about, Mr. Chairman, and as someone who was actively promoting it formerly in the House, I look forward to working with you to promote it here in the Senate. Chairman Dodd. Thank you, Senator, very, very much. I would like to ask unanimous consent that the written testimony from the PCIAA, the trade association which represents small and medium-sized insurers, be included at the record. I would have liked to have had them here this morning, but, frankly, we just could not accommodate everyone at this table. So I appreciate their willingness to have testimony submitted. They are very important. We talk about the insurance industry as though it is a monolith. There are smaller insurers. I know Senator Enzi always reminds us on this Committee of the small and mid-sized companies out there that need to be represented at our tables, and I want to make sure that their thoughts and views on this are going to be included. And as we go forward, we will insist at later hearings, if we have them, they will be a part of the discussion as well. So I thank them very much for that. Our first witness this morning is Charles Clarke, who is testifying on behalf of the American Insurance Association and is Vice Chairman of the Travelers Companies, based in my State of Connecticut--Hartford, Connecticut. Mr. Clarke has been with the company since 1958 and has held various management roles for Travelers Insurance Group Holdings, including President and Chairman and CEO, and I welcome you to the Committee. We are very pleased to have you with us. Thomas Minkler is the President of Clark-Mortenson Agency and is testifying today on behalf of the Independent Insurance Agents and Brokers of America. Mr. Minkler has over 28 years of experience in the insurance industry, serves as Chairman of the Independent Insurance Agents and Brokers of New Hampshire. He has testified to the Banking Committee in the past, and we welcome you back to the Committee. Michael Peninger is testifying on behalf of the American Council of Life Insurers and serves as President and CEO of Assurant Employee Benefits Company, a position he has held since 1999. He joined that company in 1985 as a corporate actuary and has held various senior positions within the company. I am going to mispronounce this. I want you to pronounce your last name, Jamie. Mr. Veghte. Veghte. Chairman Dodd. Veghte. Jamie Veghte is testifying on behalf of the Reinsurance Association of America. He is the Chief Executive Officer of XL Reinsurance America, Inc., based in Stamford, Connecticut. Mr. Veghte was appointed CEO of the company in 2004, Chief Executive of Reinsurance General Operations in 2006, holds these positions concurrently. Michael McRaith is the Director of the Division of Insurance for the Illinois Department of Financial and Professional Regulation. He is testifying today for the National Association of Insurance Commissioners. Mr. McRaith represents the State of Illinois with the NAIC and serves on that organization's Property and Casualty Insurance Committee, is on the Reinsurance Task Force, and we welcome you here today. Thank you for being with us. Travis Plunkett, an old friend we have had here many times, is the Legislative Director for the Consumer Federation of America. The Consumer Federation is a nonprofit association of 300 organizations and an advocacy, research, and service organization, and a regular witness, I might add, before this Committee. Arthur Coppola is the President and CEO of the Macerich--is that how you pronounce that? Mr. Coppola. Macerich. Chairman Dodd. The Macerich Company, and is here on behalf of the Coalition to Insure Against Terrorism. He has over 30 years of experience in the shopping center industry, all of which has been with his company. Mr. Coppola is a lawyer and a CPA and Chair of the Board of Governors of the National Association of Real Investment Trusts. We welcome you here today as well. John Lieber is the Senior Vice President of the World Trade Center Properties and is responsible for managing the organization's efforts to rebuild the World Trade Center site. From 1994 to 1998, Mr. Lieber served with the U.S. Department of Transportation, first as the Deputy Assistant Secretary for Policy and later rising to Acting Assistant Secretary. And, last, Don Bailey here, who is the Chief Executive Officer of Willis North America, and he is testifying today on behalf of the Council of Insurance Agents and Brokers. Mr. Bailey joined Willis in March of 2003 to lead the firm's North American Executive Risk practice and, prior to joining Willis, served as senior vice president and chief underwriting officer of the specialty risk lines for the Alliance Insurance Corporation in Chicago. That is a long list of witnesses. I see my colleague from New York is here. Senator Schumer, do you want to make any opening comments? STATEMENT OF SENATOR CHARLES E. SCHUMER Senator Schumer. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I apologize. We had a JEC hearing, and I just got here. I would just make three points, and obviously I have real concern about this issue because it affects the city of New York probably more than any other. First, it is time for a permanent solution. We keep coming back and back and back. It discombobulates the markets. It leaves things hanging in doubt. Now is the time, if ever, to really make this permanent, if we can, Mr. Chairman. Second, I hope we will make an effort to include nuclear, biological, chemical, and radiological coverage available. In New York that is a worry. In larger cities that is a worry. And if we are going to do this, we ought to do the whole thing. And, finally, we ought to act swiftly. Right now contracts are being signed. When people think that we might not extend terrorism insurance or it would not affect them, it raises the cost of building at worst--or at the least, and at worst it prevents projects from not going forward in terms of jobs and growth and everything else. And so this is something, I know, Mr. Chairman, you have worked long and hard on. We have worked together on this over the years. It is sort of like squeezing a little bit of toothpaste out of the tube. Every time you get a little bit, a little bit, a little bit. I think now the time has changed. With the change in the Congress, I think we are going to find less of the ideological opposition to this program that seemed to me to be based on sort of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin instead of realities on the ground. And I hope we can move it quickly. Thanks, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Clarke, welcome. Delighted to have you here. By the way, all of your statements and supporting materials will be included in the record. I want you to know that, and that is true of my colleagues as well, any additional documents or statements they want to be included. And I am going to have a light on here, a clock on here. I am not so rigid about it, but try and keep an eye on it so we can move through the testimony and get to questions as well. Thank you. STATEMENT OF CHARLES CLARKE, VICE CHAIRMAN, THE TRAVELERS COMPANIES, INC., ON BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN INSURANCE ASSOCIATION Mr. Clarke. Good morning, Chairman Dodd. Chairman Dodd. By the way, all of your statements and supporting materials will be included in the record. I want you to know that. It is true of my colleagues, as well, any additional documents or statements they want to be included. I am going to have a light on here, a clock on here. I am not so rigid about it, but try and keep an eye on it so we can move through the testimony and get to questions, as well. Thank you. Mr. Clarke. Good morning, Chairman Dodd, ranking member Shelby, and members of the committee. As the Chairman said, my name is Chuck Clarke. I am Vice Chairman of Travelers. I really am an underwriter with a big title. The red umbrella and I started together in the company about 50 years ago and now, as you know, we are back together. The Chairman predicted this a couple of years ago. Thank you. Thank you for the opportunity to testify on behalf of the American Insurance Association. I would like to express my appreciation for the leadership shown by this committee, and Chairman Dodd in particular, in recognizing the importance of terrorism insurance to our national security and economy, and for supporting enactment and extension of the TRIA program. Since its enactment in 2002, TRIA has achieved most of its goals. It has made terrorism insurance more available and the cost has dropped for most policyholders. However, it has not made protection from CNBR events readily available for most of our customers and that is a challenge we still face together. In the past, AIA has testified about the factors that make terrorism an uninsurable risk. Rather than repeating that past testimony, I would like to discuss some themes arising from the President's Working Group report and offer some suggestions for framing TRIA extension legislation. The PWG report looks at the markets for CNBR terrorism coverage and confirms the past, present and future actions from any private market. The reasons are well understood by insurers who are trying to grapple with this issue on a daily basis, like myself. First, the loss estimates are staggering, exceeding $700 billion in the case of a nuclear attack in New York City. Second, insurers have almost no ability to spread CNBR risk to reinsurers or the capital markets. Nobody wants it. Third, CNBR losses just simply and unequivocally threaten the solvency of insurance in the absence of a Federal program. The PWG report also examines the markets for conventional terrorism. Here, however, the practical realities that insurers face are at odds with some of the economic theories set forth in the report. First, the report is correct in that improvements in insurer modeling are helping insurers to estimate their aggregate loss accumulations at specific locations. But that does little to increase overall insurance capacity. The modeling is in its infancy and does little to reduce concerns. Second, TRIA has not reduced the demand for private reinsurance. In fact, demand far outstrips supply. Third, increases in policyholder's surplus augment financial capacity but do not affect or offset the need for TRIA. Removing the backstop or raising retentions would impair solvency. Recognizing that CNBR terrorism is uninsurable in the private market, we believe that Congress should consider recalibrating the current TRIA backstop to provide increased Federal financial participation in the event of such an attack. With regard to conventional terrorism, we believe that the current backstop has worked and should remain in place. At the current industry retention, which many of you know is $35 billion today, the TRIA backstop would be accessed only in the event of a truly catastrophic conventional attack like a swarm or other multiple venue attack, that would exceed the dimensions of the 9/11 strike. Experience has shown that the distinction between foreign and domestic terrorism is artificial, impractical and meaningless from an economic perspective. Additionally, the State regulatory system poses significant challenges in managing this risk. We believe that State regulation of terrorism insurance, rates and forms that can undermine the program's basic objectives should be preempted. In summary, we continue to need your help in doing what we just can't do by ourselves. Our business is based on dealing with random accidents, not intentional catastrophic injury. We are getting better at protecting ourselves from the potential of conventional terrorism but it is simply impossible to deal with a potential CNBR event without more of your help. Unfortunately, one way or the other, you are the ultimate underwriter for the event we hope never happens. Finally, we strongly believe that the program should be made permanent and we look forward to working with you to address these important concepts. Thank you. Chairman Dodd. Thank you very, very much. It is very, very helpful. Mr. Minkler, thank you again for being with us. STATEMENT OF THOMAS MINKLER, PRESIDENT, CLARK-MORTENSON AGENCY, INC., ON BEHALF OF THE INDEPENDENT INSURANCE AGENTS AND BROKERS OF AMERICA, INC. Mr. Minkler. Thank you and good morning, Chairman Dodd and ranking member Shelby, and members of the committee. My name is Tom Minkler and I am pleased to be here today on behalf of the Independent Insurance Agents and Brokers of America to present our association's perspective on terrorism insurance. I am the President of the Clark-Mortenson Agency, headquartered in Keene, New Hampshire, a regional insurance agency with eight locations and 55 employees in New Hampshire and Vermont. I also serve as the Chairman of IIABA's Government Affairs Committee. I would like to begin by complimenting this committee and Congress for passing TRIA in 2002 and extending it in 2005. The Federal backstop created by these laws has worked well. It has insured that terrorism insurance is available and more affordable and has allowed businesses to continue operating and growing at virtually no cost to the Federal Government. On behalf of IIABA and our more than 300,000 agents, brokers and their employees nationwide, I also want to applaud you for holding today's hearings to examine the future of TRIA. There is still no reason to believe that terrorism threat is on the decline or that the private passenger insurance market alone can adequately provide coverage. Therefore, we encourage Congress to develop a long-term solution for terrorism insurance that enables the private sector to serve consumers. The original enactment of TRIA and its extension have been successful in stabilizing the insurance marketplace and have helped eliminate the market disruptions and uncertainties that were witnessed in the immediate wake of September 11th. As a result of the enactment of TRIA and its extension, our members are currently able to offer consumers options with respect to terrorism coverage. Any analysis of long-term availability of terrorism insurance must acknowledge the unique nature of terrorism risk. Terrorist acts are nearly impossible to predict because they are intentional acts committed by those who wish to attack our country, our institutions, our livelihoods, and our sense of security. Given the unique nature of terrorism risk, the insurance market has proven unable to make meaningful assessments and judgments about possible terrorist events. Additionally, although potential terrorism losses have been estimated in the hundreds of billions of dollars, the current reinsurance capacity is only estimated at $6 billion to $8 billion. Despite the warnings of experts, a specific plan for developing a private reinsurance mechanism to spread catastrophic risk from terrorism has yet to emerge. Specifically, IIABA believes that a private/public partnership remains essential to the challenge of making terrorism risk insurance available after the expiration of the Act and at the end of the year. It would take decades for the insurance industry to close the gap between the current reinsurance capacity and potentially hundreds of billions of dollars in losses from a terrorist attack. As a result, public participation is necessary to encourage private markets to get in and stay in the business of insuring terrorism risk. Without some form of meaningful solution, terrorism coverage will be extremely difficult if not impossible for most to obtain after December 31st of this year. Such an outcome would be especially troubling for small and mid-sized businesses which are already challenged by the current environment and are not in a position to self-insure. While our members remain open to Federal intervention-- opposed to Federal intervention in the insurance market in general, they nevertheless acknowledge the terrorism risk insurance coverage currently available to the policyholders they serve would not exist without TRIA. This is a clear case of marketplace failure. And in those rare instances, limited Federal involvement in a reinsurance capacity is warranted. If TRIA is not extended, based on my experience from 2005, I would fully expect my business customers to receive notices of non-renewal for their terrorism insurance coverages beginning in January 2008. Federal legislation is necessary to ensure that policyholders continue to have access to such coverage. I would like to stress that the interest in and the need for terrorism insurance backstop is not confined solely to large urban areas or to large businesses. IIABA represents agents and brokers selling coverages to consumers across the country. Our collective experience shows that terrorism insurance coverage is not just a big city or big business problem. It is truly a national issue. In fact, in the area that I do business in, which is primarily New Hampshire and Vermont, at least 70 percent of the business customers are purchasing terrorism insurance. Briefly, I also wanted to say that IIABA also believes that any long-term solution to protect the Nation's economy in the face of substantial terrorism losses must address the potential losses from nuclear, biological, chemical and radiological events. Although NBCR losses are perhaps the most catastrophic types of terrorist attacks, coverage for these types of losses is currently excluded from most existing terrorism insurance coverage. The IIABA believes and always has supported the mandatory availability of insurance coverage for both conventional and NBCR losses, and we still do. In conclusion, the IIABA applauds Congress for not ending TRIA abruptly in 2005 and for passing a 2-year extension. IIABA members, along with many in the insurer and policyholder community, recognize that we must find a long-term solution to our Nation's terrorism insurance problem and are committed to this process. We look forward to working with the Congress in this matter that is crucial to our country's economy and security. Thank you. Chairman Dodd. Thank you very much. Mr. Peninger. STATEMENT OF MICHAEL J. PENINGER, PRESIDENT AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, ASSURANT EMPLOYEE BENEFITS, ON BEHALF OF THE AMERICAN COUNCIL OF LIFE INSURERS Mr. Peninger. Thank you, Chairman Dodd, ranking member Shelby, and members of the committee. My name is Mike Peninger and I am President and CEO of Assurant Employee Benefits, an operating division of Assurant, Inc., a premier provider of specialized insurance products, including group life insurance. I am here today on behalf of the ACLI. The ACLI is the primary trade association of the life insurance industry, representing 373 member companies that account for 93 percent of the industry's total assets in the United States. I would like to thank the committee for holding this hearing on the Terrorism Risk Insurance Program. While much of the ongoing discussion on extending TRIA has focused on property and casualty insurance, it is also important to discuss how this issue affects the life insurance industry, particularly with regard to group life insurance. While we certainly agree that there needs to be adequate terrorism insurance coverage for buildings, we also believe that the people who work or reside inside those buildings should be adequately covered. If Congress decides to extent TRIA, the ACLI and I encourage you and your committee to add group life insurance as a covered line, as the House did in the 109th Congress. The NAIC has also adopted a resolution in support of group life insurance. Group life insurance is a critical component of standard employee benefit packages. For millions of Americans, especially lower income workers, it is the only life insurance that their families have. In 2005, there were about 167 million group certificate holders with an average coverage amount of $49,500. Due to the nature of the coverage, group life policies have high concentrations of risk. Members of an insured group are often gathered in single locations and they obviously live near their workplaces. A single catastrophic event could cause many or all of them to die at a single time. For example, if a terrorist attack were to kill 20,000 insured individuals, group life insurers could collectively be liable for almost $1 billion in death claims. If 1 million people were to perish, potential claims would increase to almost $50 billion. While these death totals and claim amounts may sound dramatic, unfortunately they are not inconceivable, especially of a nuclear, biological, chemical or radiological attach were to strike in a densely populated area such as New York, Washington, or Chicago. The amount of loss that a particular group insurer would incur would depend on many factors, including the amount of catastrophic insurance it has. While the life insurance industry as a whole would be able to absorb tens of billions of dollars in death claims resulting from a catastrophic attack, those insurers that receive an unexpectedly high number of death claims could be forced into insolvency. Such insolvencies would impact payments to beneficiaries at their time of need. It could also affect the payments of benefits to all the policyholders of the insolvent companies, not just the life policy holders. Group life policies are designed to provide simple, affordable protection for average Americans. They are not designed or priced to account for the immediate deaths of tens of thousands of people from a terrorist attack. Group life insurers could, in theory, protect themselves from the terrorism risk either by excluding coverage for deaths due to terrorism or by purchasing catastrophic reinsurance protection. However, neither Assurant nor the ACLI are aware of any States, except for Kansas and North Carolina under very limited circumstances, that allow the use of terrorism exclusions by life insurers. Nor do we believe that it is good business or sound public policy to exclude coverage for deaths due to a catastrophic event. Since exclusion are therefore not a viable solution, insurers must turn to reinsurance for protection. Unfortunately, such coverage continues to be unavailable in sufficient amounts. While such reinsurance has become slightly more available since 9/11, it comes with higher deductibles, various exclusions and most importantly, with overall coverage limits that are substantially lower than were available prior to 9/11. Without adequate catastrophic reinsurance, many group life insurers risk financial ruin from a significant terrorist attack. We believe that catastrophic reinsurance would become more available of group life were included in a TRIA extension. This additional reinsurance capacity would significantly reduce the risk of insolvency that many group insurers face in the event of a large-scale attack. If TRIA is extended again and group life is included, we urge that separate recoupment mechanisms be created for P&C and group life insurers. Recoupment of amounts paid by the Treasury for losses relating to P&C insurance should be made from P&C insurers. Similarly, recoupment for losses relating to group life insurance should only be made by group life insurers. We look forward to working with your committee and others in Congress, at Treasury, and in the Administration to ensure that group life remains available to the millions of Americans who depend on it and that this vital protection is there when it is needed most. Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to express our views on this very important matter. Chairman Dodd. Thank you very much. Mr. Veghte. STATEMENT OF JAMES H. VEGHTE, EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT/CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF REINSURANCE GENERAL OPERATIONS AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF XL REINSURANCE AMERICA, INC., ON BEHALF OF THE REINSURANCE ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA Mr. Veghte. Good morning, Chairman Dodd, ranking member Shelby and distinguished members of this committee. My name is Jamie Veghte and I am Chief Executive Officer of XL Reinsurance America, Incorporated, headquartered in Stamford, Connecticut. I will be testifying on behalf of the Reinsurance Association of America. I want to thank Chairman Dodd and many members of this committee for the leadership shown on the terrorism insurance issue. Your role has been critical to the adoption and continuation of the successful TRIA program. The reinsurance industry appreciates the hard work and support you have provided on this most important issue. It is important that the committee understand that XL Re and the RAA strongly supported the adoption of the Terrorism Risk Insurance Act in 2002 and its extension in 2005. We believe the program has worked well to fill a vacuum in reinsurance capacity for this risk and help bring stability to the insurance marketplace and, indeed, the economy as a whole. I would like to address two important questions policymakers have posed as it relates to consideration of a long-term program. One, has the TRIA program infringed on the development of the private reinsurance market? And second, what is the current status of the private reinsurance terrorism market? Since the terrorist attacks of 2001, the global reinsurance industry has committed substantial resources and capital to develop a better understanding of terrorism risk. Despite these considerable efforts, the basic facts have not changed. Terrorism poses great challenges as an insurance risk. Unlike natural catastrophe exposures, where the reinsurance industry has models and underwriting expertise, the U.S. insurance reinsurance industry cannot adequately underwrite and model the scale and frequency of potential future terrorist attacks. Despite the addition of considerable capital in the reinsurance market in recent years, over $32 billion since Hurricane Katrina, little of that has been deployed to terrorism risk. Accordingly, the insurance and reinsurance industry cannot provide significant terrorism coverage for this country without a long-term Federal role in terrorism reinsurance. The TRIA program has not infringed on the development of a private reinsurance market. In fact, the opposite is true. Primary insurers seek to buy private reinsurance to help them reduce the large exposure they face for retention and loss- sharing provisions under the program. The large retention requirements under TRIA, estimated at $35 billion industry- wide, has left plenty of room for the private reinsurance market to provide capacity under the program. By establishing definitive loss parameters, TRIA has provided the defined layer for reinsurers to participate in sharing the retained risk primary companies face. Even with this large window to provide capacity, reinsurers have been willing to put only limited capital at risk to manage terror-related losses. To the second question, overall the RAA estimates the global terrorism reinsurance capacity written in the United States for 2007 at about $6 billion to $8 billion with TRIA certified stand-alone treaty reinsurance. Additionally, there appears to be no appetite in the capital markets to provide terrorism risk through catastrophe bonds or other financing products. It's also important to emphasize that there's very little reinsurance appetite in nuclear, radiological, biological and chemical risk. According to the RAA survey of reinsurance underwriters and brokers, NRBC capacity is estimated to be 15 to 20 percent of the terrorism risk capacity I cited a minute ago. When NRBC is available, pricing for coverage is at a significant premium and coverage amounts restricted. Some insurers have been able to add terrorism peril to their worker's comp reinsurance program, but this coverage would also typically exclude NRBC losses. Due to the nature of the terrorism peril, the RAA believes that the private market mechanisms are insufficient alone to spread the risk of catastrophic terrorism loss. Since reinsurance is not covered under the TRIA program, the RAA chooses not to independently advocate suggested change or solutions for a Federal program. The RAA has a close working relationships with the direct insurance community and will continue to support their efforts for a long-term solution. In conclusion, without some form of a long-term Federal backstop, we would expect less coverage available at the policyholder level, increased prices for terrorism coverage, and more limited reinsurance capacity. The RAA looks forward to working with the committee as it considers legislation. Thank you very much for the high honor of appearing before this committee. Chairman Dodd. Thank you very much, Mr. Veghte. Mr.--is it McRaith? Did I pronounce that correctly? Mr. McRaith. Yes, you did, McRaith. Chairman Dodd. Thank you. STATEMENT OF MICHAEL McRAITH, DIRECTOR, ILLINOIS STATE DIVISION OF INSURANCE, ON BEHALF OF THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF INSURANCE COMMISSIONERS Mr. McRaith. Chairman Dodd, ranking member Shelby, members of the committee, thank you for inviting me to testify today. I am Michael McRaith, Director of Insurance for the State of Illinois, and I speak to you today on behalf of the National Association of Insurance Commissioners. My Chicago office is in a landmark building visited by thousands of tourists above the main switching station for hundreds of thousands of daily subway commuters, including those taking the El to O'Hare and Midway Airports. Within a mile are five of the Nation's 10 largest buildings, 10 tallest buildings, the world's premier commodities trading centers, and Lake Michigan, one of the Great Lakes that comprise 84 percent of all North American fresh water. TRIA and its extension ensure the affordability and availability of terrorism insurance. The current program should not expire without renewal of an appropriate Federal backstop. While some advocate for you to deregulate the insurance industry through a so-called ``Federal charter'', this Federal backstop illustrates when Federal support for a State-regulated private insurance market provides real value for consumers, your constituents. The extension quickly approaches its expiration date but the NAIC remains convinced that a Federal backstop is an essential platform for our national economy. The U.S. economy remains vulnerable to terrorist attack and requires this backstop, in the absence of which terrorism insurance will become unavailable and unaffordable, thereafter causing the market disruptions and economic uncertainty seen in 9/11's aftermath. By requiring insurers, through the make available mechanism, to offer terrorism coverage, the Federal backstop has been successful in bringing marketplace confidence and stability. The President's Working Group reported, as has been stated already, that the terrorism insurance market has grown to a take-up rate of over 60 percent. Important urban markets demand terrorism insurance. And in the absence of private market innovation, available and affordable terrorism insurance depends upon a Federal backstop. Insurers need to understand frequency, severity and loss costs in order to price and offer insurance. Terrorist events cannot be predicted, either in approximate time, location, or level of tragic consequence. This reality, coupled with the geographic concentration of risk, makes terrorism extremely difficult to insure. A Federal backstop obviously cannot impact frequency but it does cap severity, giving insurers the knowledge to price and offer the coverage and not risk insolvency. 9/11, one of the most costly insured events ever, was carried out by a handful of men. We cannot choose to be naive and ignore the potential for even greater financial loss with another event. Actuaries predict that a nuclear, biological, chemical or radiological event in Manhattan could result in as much as $778 billion in insured losses. Total capital and surplus available in the entire property and casualty market is roughly $427 billion, half of which is available for commercial lines and a fraction of which is available to any one company. The private market lacks the wherewithal to survive the catastrophic risk of terrorism and to simultaneously cover all other losses without a Federal backstop. As Congress and this committee evaluate alternatives, we stress the following priorities: the duration of any program should allow for sustained stability that reflects the commercial insurance cycle. Second, any program should avoid the fictional distinction between domestic and foreign acts of terrorism. Third, any program should include coverage for group life insurance due to the concentration of risk and prospective insolvency. Four, any program should consider inclusion of NBCR events at a level that leverages the private market strength against the challenge of insuring those events. And finally, if you consider a shift to total private market responsibility, we do recommend amendment to the tax code to require companies to reserve for catastrophic events on a tax-deferred basis. We ask that you act to ensure this essential partnership between the Federal Government and the private market is set before the expiration of the current program. The NAIC stands with this committee and with Congress in your effort to develop and support that partnership. I pledge the NAIC's support for the constructive process that you begin today. Thank you for your attention. Chairman Dodd. Excellent testimony, Mr. McRaith. Thank you very, very much. Mr. Plunkett, welcome again. STATEMENT OF TRAVIS B. PLUNKETT, LEGISLATIVE DIRECTOR, CONSUMER FEDERATION OF AMERICA Mr. Plunkett. Thank you, Chairman Dodd, Senator Shelby, members of the committee. My name is Travis Plunkett. I am the Legislative Director of the Consumer Federation of America. On behalf of myself and our Director of Insurance, Bob Hunter, I appreciate the invitation to appear before you today to examine the temporary Terrorism Risk Insurance Act. In the wake of the horrific terrorist attacks of September 11th, CFA supported the creation of a broad Federal insurance backstop. We changed our views, however, to support much narrower Federal assistance when it became clear that during the year before TRIA was enacted, that the lack of Federal backup had not caused the crippling coverage gaps and economic disruption feared by many and predicted by the insurance industry. In fact, as I listen to the arguments of insurers for the expansion and permanent extension of a temporary program more than 5 years after September 11th, I am struck by how little real acknowledgment there is of the truly dramatic improvements that have occurred in the insurance marketplace since the attacks. In fact, there is very strong evidence that insurers no longer need TRIA subsidies to provide adequate terrorism capacity in all but the most extreme cases. NBCR coverage has been mentioned here, and we agree. That is an extreme case. The property and casualty industry's three most profitable years in history were 2004, 2005 and 2006, with profits in excess of $157 billion, despite significant hurricane losses. Retained earnings or surplus for the industry stood at just over $600 billion at the end of last year. The very significant $12.2 billion in after tax losses experienced by insurers after September 11th amounts to about 2 percent of this unprecedented surplus. As the Department of Treasury has reported, terrorism risk insurance is now much more available and affordable than after September 11th even though, as we have heard, insurer retentions have increased substantially and Federal assistance has declined. In fact, policyholders have enjoyed deep premium cuts in recent years in all insurance lines, which frees up money for businesses to pay for terror coverage. As you have heard, the take-up rate has increased substantially. The evidence is very clear that the TRIA program, as currently structured, is standing in the way of the development of a more vibrant private market for terrorism coverage. The Department of Treasury, for instance, has reported that although the amount of reinsurance available for terrorism has increased since September 11th, federally subsidized reinsurance has depressed the demand for private reinsurance. Insurers who have consistently come to Congress and said that they cannot offer more terror coverage because of a dearth of reinsurance capacity need to acknowledge that it is the TRIA program itself that has helped to keep demands, and thus capacity, low. We have several recommendations for adapting the TRIA program, not ending it but adapting it, to these new market realities. First, convert TRIA to a program that covers truly catastrophic terrorism events. As you have heard, there is very little coverage for chemical, nuclear, biological and radiation events, or for that matter for truly large-scale attacks of over $100 billion. In our written testimony, we lay out a detailed plan to cover all losses of between $100 billion and $200 billion, including those resulting form CNBR attacks. Covering losses of over $100 billion--excuse me. Covering losses of under $100 billion is clearly within the financial grasp of property casualty insurers, who would be able to write off approximately $35 billion of the $100 billion in losses and who, as you have already heard, are responsible for over $30 billion in retentions under the current program. Second, if TRIA is renewed, we urge you to end the practice of providing free reinsurance to an industry that can afford to pay for it. We estimate the taxpayers will have provided a subsidy for this reinsurance of at least $3.7 billion by the end of the year. As the Congressional Budget Office has noted, requiring insurers to pay premiums for this coverage, premiums that are slightly higher than are actuarially estimated, will encourage private insurers to quickly compete by offering lower rates. It will also encourage loss mitigation. Third, we strongly urge you not to expand the lines of insurance covered by the programs, especially to group life. There is no meaningful evidence that justifies expanding TRIA to cover group life insurance, which is why the Treasury Department has twice rejected this idea. Treasury pointed out that group life coverage has been and is expected to continue to be widely available at rates that have been declining, despite the lack of TRIA coverage. This is because the market is so competitive. In fact, we urge you to carefully consider reducing the lines of insurance covered by TRIA, for which there would likely be relatively few terror losses or low aggregate risk exposure. Candidates for such a reduction would include fidelity, boiler and machinery lines, and general liability. Finally, if you do decide to renew TRIA, we strongly recommend that you keep the program temporary. Extending the program permanently or for more than 5 years would freeze the program in time, inhibiting the further ability of the private market to expand and making it very difficult, if not impossible, for Congress to adjust the program as market conditions change. We think this would be a significant error. If we have learned anything about terrorism insurance since September 11th, it is that developments in the marketplace that were once thought to be highly unlikely can occur with startling speed. For example, very few people would have thought, in the wake of the significant terrorism losses incurred on September 11th, that the property casualty insurance industry would develop into a financial tiger, with record profits and surpluses and an enormous financial capacity to handle terrorism losses. Thank you very much. Chairman Dodd. Thank you very much. Mr. Coppola. STATEMENT OF ARTHUR M. COPPOLA, PRESIDENT AND CEO, MACERICH COMPANY, ON BEHALF OF THE COALITION TO INSURE AGAINST TERRORISM Mr. Coppola. Good morning, Chairman Dodd, ranking member Senator Shelby, and members of the committee. Thank you very much for allowing me to testify today. My name is Arthur Coppola and I am President and CEO of the Macerich Company, one of the Nation's largest retail real estate investment trusts. We own and operate major retail centers in many of your home States, including Tysons Corner here locally. I also serve as the Chair of the National Association of Real Estate Investment Trusts, NAREIT. I am on the board of the Real Estate Roundtable, as well as a member of the International Council of Shopping Centers. Today I am here to testify on behalf of CIAT, the Coalition to Insure Against Terrorism. The diverse CIAT membership represents virtually ever sector of the U.S. economy. CIAT is the true consumer voice on terrorism risk insurance, as we are comprised of the principal policyholders of commercial property and casualty lines in the United States. It is from this perspective that we offer our testimony today. We are gratified that you have so clearly made this issue a priority by scheduling this hearing as one of the committee's first items of business in the year. We hope that this hearing will be followed promptly with an introduction and passage of a bill that will ensure the modernization and the seamless continuation of the terrorism insurance program. There is no question that TRIA accomplished one of its main objectives, which was to stabilize the U.S. economy following 9/11. TRIA and its extension in 2005 TRIA and its extension in 2005 were part of a series of measures that Congress passed to protect the U.S. economy from terrorism threats and continues today to be an integral part of our homeland security strategy. For example, the U.S. airlines today are directly insured by the Department of Transportation for both terrorism and war risk. The Federal Government, through the Overseas Private Investment Corporation, OPIC, also directly insures U.S. investors overseas for both terrorism and political risk outside the U.S. It would ironic and senseless of TRIA, which is the only similar protection of the domestic economy, and which unlike the DOT and OPIC programs is not a directly liability to the Federal Government, were allowed to expire or even linger in limbo throughout the remainder of this year. Terrorism is the major threat facing our Nation today. We hear about it on a daily basis from the Administration, our national security team, and from almost every corner of Capitol Hill. The market conditions that necessitated TRIA and then its extension have not gone away. Primary insurers remain largely averse to exposing themselves to potentially catastrophic terrorism losses without adequate reinsurance and the private reinsurance market provides only a fraction of the capacity needed. At least 14 other major industrial nations have recognized that the private markets are unable to effectively manage terrorism risk and have adopted permanent national programs. The U.S. market is no different. Terrorism risk is a national problem that requires a Federal solution. We believe that the Federal role should focus on what the private markets have been unwilling or unable to do, enabling policyholders to purchase insurance for the most catastrophic conventional terrorism risks and ensuring adequate capacity in high-risk urban areas, and providing meaningful insurance for nuclear, biological, chemical and radiological NBCR risks. The CIAT proposal seeks to minimize over time the role of the Federal Government for conventional terrorism, but also to ensure that NBCR risks will be covered and that the Federal Government will have an insurance mechanism in place so that the Nation can more easily recover from a truly catastrophic attack, whether by conventional or unconventional terrorism. For risk of conventional terrorism attacks, the CIAT proposal would leave in place the TRIA backstop with the insurer deductibles, industry retention, and program trigger, all maintained at no higher than their 2007 levels. This ensures that policyholders will continue to have access to coverage through the make available provision. CIAT also suggests the committee consideration of a privately funded terrorism risk trust fund that would be maintained by the Treasury and used to help cover a portion of the Federal share of insured losses under the TRIA program. We believe that over time this trust fund will accumulate enough capital through pre-event surcharges and assessments that the likelihood of taxpayer exposure to terrorism risk will be limited to only the most extreme events. NBCR terrorism risk is a different matter, however. Even if the Federal backstop exposure to conventional terrorism can be reduced over time to all but the most catastrophic attacks, the challenges are different for NBCR, according to all of the expert actuarial estimates. The GAO, the Treasury Department, and the President's Working Group, have all recognized that the market simply cannot price the risks associated with NBCR perils. Accordingly, our proposal addresses this by adding NBCR perils to the make available requirement under TRIA and calling for lower insurer deductibles and copays with respect to NBCR risks. The proposal would also remove the annual $100 billion program cap to clarify that insurers are not liable for truly catastrophic attack, whether NBCR or conventional. CIAT urges removal of the distinction between foreign and domestic terrorism in the statute's definition of acts of terrorism. As the London bombing demonstrated all too well, there can be serious difficulties in distinguishing between foreign and domestic terrorism, and the distinction makes no difference to the victims. Finally, in order to enhance the stability of our financial markets, the modernized program will be made permanent or will at least be in place until Congress declares that terrorism is no longer a risk. In all, we believe that the CIAT modernization principles for TRIA are fair and we urge the committee and Congress to incorporate these features into the legislation it adopts this year. I thank you very much for the opportunity to testify at this very important hearing. Chairman Dodd. Thank you very much. Mr. Lieber. STATEMENT OF JANNO LIEBER, SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT, WORLD TRADE CENTER PROPERTIES Mr. Lieber. Good morning. Chairman Dodd, Senator Shelby, members of the committee, I am Janno Lieber, Senior Vice President of Silverstein Properties where I have responsibility for overseeing the World Trade Center redevelopment. I want to thank you for the opportunity to participate in this important hearing. As most of you know, the Silverstein organization leased the commercial office portions of the World Trade Center just 6 weeks before 9/11. Today, after several years of planning and extensive public dialog, all parties, including the State of New York, the State of New Jersey, the city of New York, the Port Authority, are united in the vision of what will be built at the World Trade Center, four world class skyscrapers designed by renowned architects, new mass transit facilities, a performing arts center, and most important, the 9/11 memorial to commemorate those lost on those terrible day. In order to accomplish this, of course, we need to do some very extensive financing which will require us to obtain terrorism insurance. The most important thing that Congress can do to assure the availability of terrorism insurance for projects in high-risk, high-density areas like lower Manhattan is to have a permanent TRIA program. A long-term program is necessitated by the interplay between insurance, financing, contracting, and design in these kinds of large-scale projects. Large scale developments can take a very long time from start to finish: three to 5 years for design, planning, and approvals, several years of construction, then several years of lease-up following. TRIA needs to be tailored to match the timelines that the construction industry, lenders and insurers are looking at when they make their decisions about whether to go forward with these kinds of projects. The failure to do so will impede new construction. And a short-term renewal just will not solve the problem. Further, we do need, if the standard that you set, Mr. Chairman, in your remarks, the certainty of the ability to obtain insurance is to be met, we need to know that the Federal backstop is going to be there. Because lenders are making their decisions, in part, looking at what their risk is of the circumstances of insurance changing. Often today, most large loans are securitized in order to create bonds that are purchased by institutional investors. Lenders often do not hold the loans that they originate, but sell off a portion of the loans for regulatory or liquidity reasons. In order to receive investment grade ratings from rating agencies, which are required to get investors to purchase the bonds, the underlying collateral has to be secured. The lack of access to terrorism coverage may impact on a project's ability to obtain those kinds of investment grade ratings, and that is especially true of projects in these types of concentrated, high-risk areas like lower Manhattan. Another point that I wanted to take up with you briefly today is that--and this is the species of the point that Senator Bennett made in his opening remark--is that the risk/ reward is--although TRIA has been a success across the board, clearly the risk/reward is not working for every area. And lower Manhattan and certain high-risk areas are in that category. A major challenge faced by projects in these kinds of areas is the shortage of capacity which is prevailing today. The World Trade Center rebuilding is going to cost something in the range of $13 billion to $15 billion in total. But according to leading insurance consultants and brokers in New York City, who we have consulted extensively, even with the current TRIA program in place, as is, there is a shortfall. There is currently less than $750 million total worth of coverage available to the entire lower Manhattan market. And I should add, there is really no viable alternative to private insurance at all. In other words, even with TRIA, we are not meeting the test that, Chairman, you and Senator Shelby said in your opening remarks, which is availability, affordability and stability for these kinds of areas. We strongly believe that a TRIA extension ought to address the capacity problems in high-risk, high-density areas and other types of areas where there is a maximum aggregation of risk and of value. Today you are hearing from Mr. Coppola of the CIAT Coalition, and others testifying about addressing the problem in the current program with respect to the foreign versus domestic distinction, and the NBCR issue. These general fixes to TRIA are badly needed in order to free up capacity for terrorism insurance. However, even if these changes are made, there will still be questions about whether they will be sufficient to attract more capacity to high-risk areas like lower Manhattan. Therefore, we are suggesting that consideration be given to some additional actions, for example perhaps adjusting retentions or the current $100 million TRIA program trigger. We are not wedded to any particular solution but we ask the creativity and leadership of the committee in helping us in other areas like lower Manhattan to address the capacity shortfall. Finally, there is one other step that Congress can take to free up terrorism insurance for these kinds of areas, and that is to clarify the scope of TRIA coverage to make it absolutely clear that the TRIA backstop applies to all proximate consequences of the terrorist attack, including a fire or collapse following the attack. There is currently some uncertainty in the marketplace about that, and it causes terrorism risk to bleed into other insurances. And therefore, you absorb capacity that otherwise should be made available in areas like lower Manhattan. So I thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today. The TRIA program has been a success. It ought to be made permanent. I just want to emphasize again that even with the fantastic program you have put in place, it would not be possible at the present time to adequately insure even one of the office buildings that are being built at the World Trade Center, let alone everything that his happening in lower Manhattan. So we would like to work with you to address that dysfunction in the market. Thank you. Chairman Dodd. Thank you very, very much. I want to congratulate you and others who have worked very, very hard over the last number of years in putting this project together. We have all watched it, obviously, Bob Menendez obviously very directly, and Chuck Schumer obviously very involved in this. It has not been easy. But you have done a good job so I commend you. The Silverstein Group deserves a lot of credit for doing that. Mr. Lieber. Thank you so much, Mr. Chairman. Chairman Dodd. Mr. Bailey. STATEMENT OF DON BAILEY, CEO, WILLIS NORTH AMERICA, ON BEHALF OF THE COUNCIL OF INSURANCE AGENTS AND BROKERS Mr. Bailey. Good morning, Chairman Dodd and ranking member Shelby. My name is Don Bailey. I am the CEO of Willis North America, a unit of Willis Group, a global insurance broker. It is a distinct pleasure and honor for me to join you this morning. Willis works with corporations, public entities and institutions around the world on all matters of commercial insurance, reinsurance, risk management, financial and human resource consulting. In addition to representing Willis today, I am also speaking this morning on behalf of the Council of Insurance Agents and Brokers. The Council represents the Nation's leading commercial property and casualty insurance agencies and brokerage firms. With our North American headquarters located in lower Manhattan, not far from where the World Trade Center used to stand, we experienced firsthand the devastation wrought on New York City by the events of September 11th, 2001. Since that time, we in the United States have been fortunate that we have not experienced another terrorist attack on our soil. However, if you look to London, Madrid and other locations around the world, I think we can all agree that terrorism is a permanent problem for which we need a permanent solution. Regrettably, the question of another terrorist attack here in the U.S. is a matter of when and not if. We thank the committee for convening this hearing to explore the long-term solutions to terrorism risk insurance. Prior to September 11th, terrorism insurance was readily available. It was offered as an add-on to many policies at a very modest price because the threat of loss was perceived to be low. Clearly, after September 11, the paradigm shifted quite significantly and terrorism insurance was almost entirely unavailable. And the small amount that was available was prohibitively expensive. Planes did not take off. Many constructionsites, as was just detailed, in what were now perceived to be high-risk zones, fell silent. And commerce in many cities came to a complete halt. Congress, realizing the dire need, acted quickly by passing TRIA and subsequently the extension to provide available and affordable terrorism capacity for U.S.-based risk. The program has also allowed the private market to progressively increase its role in covering terrorism risks. The Federal funds provided by the TRIA backstop have never been tapped. Not one taxpayer dollar has been spent on claims. But the program has been an unqualified success in stabilizing the insurance markets and allowing insurers to provide much- needed terrorism coverage at affordable prices. Policyholders, the business of our economy, have not had to deal with extremely high and volatile terrorism insurance costs and have been able to budget for their business plans. For many commercial policyholders, obtaining terrorism coverage means more than just piece of mind. It is essential to doing business. It may be required, sometimes by State laws and regulations, and often by contract, to obtain a mortgage, for financing of new construction, for the expansion of business or for a new entrepreneurial venture. Some suggest that the private market can handle these losses. Consider: estimates indicate that there is only about $6 billion to $8 billion in global terrorism reinsurance capacity available. But terrorism losses from a single attack could reach $100 billion. Industry numbers indicate that there is a $1 billion to $2 billion in capacity available for nuclear, biological, chemical and radiological coverage. Yet the American Academy of Actuaries modeled the impact of a medium-sized nuclear, biological, chemical or radiological attack on New York City and put the losses at $450 billion. Clearly, there is simply not enough February 28, 2007 capacity in the private market to cover losses due to terrorism. And the limits of such an attack are bound only by the imagination of terrorists whose thought processes are beyond the scope of models and calculations. Some contend that dealing with the risk of terrorism insurance is a matter for the industry to handle on its own. Collect the premiums, assume the risk of potential losses as they do with other categories of risk. But consider that a terrorist attack is not perpetrated against a company or a building. The terrorists who flew planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, and the plane that crashed in the Pennsylvania field, were attacking our country. Could you imagine a scenario where the Federal Government knew an attack was going to happen and did not take the steps to either prevent it or to at least prepare for the aftermath? I suggest that not developing a long-term terrorism risk insurance program would be just that. The objectives of TRIA are clear: harness private industry capacity to directly contribute to terrorism-related losses, deliver Federal assistance in a fair and efficient manner, and repay the Government for any outlays. Because of TRIA, the terrorism insurance market has been largely stabilized, terrorism coverage has been steadily expanding, and the price of coverage has become more affordable. Now is decidedly not the time for the Federal Government to withdraw its involvement in the terrorism insurance market. The terrorism threats facing our country remain significant, unpredictable, our reinsurance industry still lacks sufficient capacity to address terrorism risks on its own, and the primary insurers are still not willing to expose themselves to enormous terrorism risks without charging prohibitively high prices. Allowing TRIA to expire at this time will certainly cripple, if not completely paralyze, a significant portion of our economy. We must all work to keep that from happening. TRIA is not about protecting the balance sheet of insurers and brokers. It is about protecting commercial policyholders and creating and sustaining a national economy that encourages investment and development. This is a matter that far transcends the insurance industry. It is a matter of our national economic security. I thank the committee for your time this morning. Chairman Dodd. Let me thank all of you again. This is, I know, a real crowd. Senator Bunning, while walking out, said he thought this may be a record number of witnesses this Committee has had at one panel here at any given time. And I thank you for your patience and for being a part of this. I am going to put a clock on ourselves for about 7 minutes here with Senator Shelby, myself, and my colleagues who are still here, and I am going to open up the record as well for the next several days for questions from members who were here or who did not make it here this morning but have an interest in the subject matter as well and ask you to respond to those questions in a timely fashion, if you would. Let me just say at the outset to all of you here, I speak for myself at this point here. I wish we were not here talking about this, quite candidly. I mean, I would love to think the idea would be that actually a market would develop these products. There is no appetite that I know of from my colleagues for coming up with a program here to deal with this. There may be some, but I do not know of anyone who would opt for this option. The ideal option is, of course, to have the market produce a product that was available, affordable, that did not require any Federal intervention here at all. That is the ideal situation. It is what has happened in most areas. But I think all of you, one way or the other, including Mr. Plunkett and others, have pointed out that we are dealing with some very unique situations and growing problems. I was looking at the numbers here. We have had actually - yes, here it is. The terrorist attacks worldwide have increased fourfold in the last year alone. We have a tendency--because we have been fortunate in this country not to be affected by it, there is sort of a distanced approach to this thing. But from 2004 to 2005, more than 14,500 people, noncombatants, have died as a result of terrorist attacks worldwide. According to the National Counterterrorism Center, 2005 was the first year in which the number of terrorist attacks worldwide exceeded 10,000--the number of attacks, 10,000. So the problem is growing, and obviously a lot of means are being taken to try and minimize this. And it is a major challenge for all of us to deal with this. But it is very, very important that people understand that some--one of you said it. I think each one of you said here that this is not a question of if but when. That is the reality here. None of us want to say that, but the reality is we know, given the nature of our country, the openness of our society in many ways, that it is going to happen. And to say otherwise is to be terribly naive about this. So we need to do everything possible, obviously--in fact, we are debating today, I think, on the floor of the U.S. Senate measures we can take. Many of us here have fought very hard for the first responder records over the last 2 years to do everything possible, to the transit security issue, which this Committee dealt with here a few weeks ago and marked up a bill unanimously here to deal with investing more given the London and Madrid experiences. So we have a lot of things we have to do here to deal with this issue--this is one of them here--in terms of how we minimize the kind of impacts economically to our country. Again, I remember Senator Bennett and I working on the Y2K issue a number of years ago in anticipation of the problem of the computer glitches that occurred. We did not have any major problems, but I remember Alan Greenspan testifying before this Committee that, as a result of our work, a lot of efforts were made by the private sector to upgrade their information technology systems; and as a result, while we did not have major glitches here, we took steps to hedge against the possibility of having major disruptions occur economically. So the purpose of these hearings is to look at an option here. And I am not overly enthusiastic about some absolutely permanent program here. I want one long enough here that gives us a chance to take a look at this and to make sure we are not back here every 2 years. I cannot come back here and Dick Shelby and I year after year coming back and trying to rewrite a bill again and getting 533 other Members of Congress and the administration to go along with this. It just does not make a lot of sense for us to do it. Clearly, this is a problem that we had hoped after 2002 would begin to emerge, that the ideal situation was that a market would begin to develop here and that the need for any extension--I remember making the case I did not think we would have to come back. Of course, we did in 2005. So we are here for those reasons, and I have just a couple of questions I want to raise with you about--and I will ask Mr. Coppola and Mr. Lieber, although the rest of you jump in if you want, if you feel compelled to talk about these things. I think it may have been Jack Reed, maybe Chuck Schumer, who raised the issue here earlier. We are hearing a lot of reports about global competitiveness in financial services, and one of the concerns is, of course, what is going on in the London markets and so forth. One of the worries I have here is that if we--given the fact that the U.K. and Germany and France and others have come up with their own ideas on how to have a permanent program to hedge against terrorist attacks from an economic standpoint and the fact that we have not done that yet here, is there any danger in your mind that some of these projects we are talking about here could end up going offshore where there is a more reliable system in place to deal with these risks as they emerge? Is that a legitimate concern for the Committee to raise here with this issue? Mr. Lieber. Well, thinking about how this works in New York, if we cannot build the real estate that will hold onto the first-class jobs that you are talking about, the high- value-added securities industry type jobs, because they want new--they need first-class new real estate. If we cannot build that, those very large projects, those very complex projects of the kind I was referring to, and in these densely populated areas, they will be built elsewhere. It is a fair question that you have raised, Senator Dodd, about where they will be built. Whether they would be built abroad I think is a very fair question in light of some of the other dynamics that you have identified in the market encouraging those types of companies to relocate operations abroad. Mr. Coppola. Certainly in the area of global financial services, that is definitely a possibility. Separate from the terrorism issue, it has already happened in places like Canary Wharf, where many of the global firms have decided to locate. And were they to have the opportunity or the desire to do that here in the U.S. and should developers not be able to build because of a lack of proper insurance, then clearly they will land in other countries if need be. Chairman Dodd. So you believe that is a legitimate issue. Mr. Coppola. It could be, yes. Chairman Dodd. And you have alluded, Mr. Lieber--all of us have noted here over the last 5 or 6 years some 300,000 manufacturing jobs in this country have disappeared. I would point out a million of those in the defense production areas. But, clearly, as you start talking about it, this becomes a ripple effect and people begin to look elsewhere. Then, obviously, the effects on manufacturing jobs and construction jobs would also be certainly a casualty of this process. Mr. Coppola. Yes. You know, 6 years ago seems like a long time ago, but we cannot forget that in the 14 months following 9/11, it is estimated $15 billion of new construction was put on hold or canceled and some 300,000 construction jobs were displaced. While in most cities in any corner that we look, we see construction cranes today and so we may feel complacent, if terrorism insurance were not to be made available, those construction cranes would begin to disappear, and there is no question about that. Chairman Dodd. Does anyone else want to comment on this at all, this specific question? Mr. Plunkett. Senator, I would just add that the Treasury Department's 2005 report is one area--this question of construction is one area of where the broader Treasury view of the market would disagree with what you just heard. There was considerable concern at the time that TRIA was initially enacted that construction would be affected. I remember the President talking about let's put the hard hats back to work. But in looking at the marketplace retroactively and in talking about the effect of the lack of terrorism coverage on construction, Treasury concluded that there was not a significant impact. So I think it is important to keep in mind that Treasury, at least, has done broad reviews of the entire marketplace and is in a better position than any of us in most cases to draw conclusions about these questions. Chairman Dodd. I am glad to see the Consumer Federation of America embracing the Treasury these days here. [Laughter.] It has been a strong advocate of the TRIA program, of course, over the years. Yes, Mr. Coppola Mr. Coppola. If I might just add one thing, I cannot speak for Treasury, but I can speak for myself. And we had a $300 million expansion of a major retail center in New York City, in Queens, that was scheduled to break ground in early 2002. And we waited for TRIA to ultimately get put into place because we knew that we would not be able to obtain the proper construction and permanent financing. And had it not been put into place, we would not have started that job, and we would not have completed that major $300 million expansion. So speaking from my own personal experience, I can assure you it is a big factor. Chairman Dodd. Thank you. Did you want to say something? Mr. McRaith. One other angle to the question about construction, Mr. Chairman, is that every construction project requires workers' compensation insurance. There are no exclusions from workers' compensation insurance. To the extent that one insurer has to be more invested in one project than another, workers' compensation will not be available--insurance will not be available for another project. Chairman Dodd. That is a good point. This is Mr. McRaith, by the way, for the record--I appreciate that--for the Insurance Commissioners. Senator Shelby. Senator Shelby. It was kind of interesting, the question Senator Dodd asked and the one several of you picked up on. But I personally believe that maybe Sarbanes-Oxley is running some jobs to London, but I am not sure that it is a lack of building in New York or elsewhere is. I agree with Mr. Plunkett on that. Mr. Plunkett, I also believe that if Treasury and Consumer Federation of America are together, Treasury must be doing something. Mr. Plunkett. They sure are, Senator. Senator Shelby. I think that is a good sign. Mr. Plunkett, I want to ask you three quick questions. First, is group life widely available in the private market? Mr. Plunkett. Yes, sir. Senator Shelby. Second, is group life presently offered at affordable rates, falling rates? Mr. Plunkett. It is, yes. And there was---- Senator Shelby. Third, can life insurers obtain reinsurance for group life? Mr. Plunkett. Well, the Treasury report says that reinsurance capacity is growing. It also said, Senator, that life insurers have fallen behind their property casualty colleagues in modeling risk, that they are not as aggressively improving their risk modeling as property casualty insurers. Senator Shelby. Mr. Clarke, since the passage of TRIA, the insurer deductible has increased from 7 percent to 20 percent. During that same period, take-up rates for terrorism insurance have risen substantially, according to the President's Working Group. These facts suggest that increasing the insurer deductible had little impact on the willingness of insurers to underwrite terrorism insurance because they had the big risk on behalf of the Government. Accordingly, should the insurer deductible be increased further in order to create additional room for the private market to grow? And if the purpose of TRIA is to provide a backstop for only those risks insurance companies are unable to handle, shouldn't the insurer deductible be as high as possible as long as the market worked? Mr. Clarke. It is interesting. Some of the reason why the rates have come down as the deductible has gone up--we have personally in Travelers a $2.2 billion deductible. What happens as we retain risk within the deductible, we are not in the business of selling terror insurance. We are in the business of protecting ourselves against it. So if we write the whole---- Senator Shelby. You are managing risk, are you not? That is what you are into. Mr. Clarke. We manage risk. Senator Shelby. You insure it, but you do this by managing it the best you can based on your experience and your model. Mr. Clarke. Well, we manage the whole account, the whole risk, and if terrorism is in there, we then protect ourselves by whatever model we have. But we basically charge almost nothing for terrorism. In fact, if somebody--I would give back the last 5 years at a multiple if someone would relieve us of this responsibility. Senator Shelby. Say again explicitly why do you charge very little, if anything, for the terrorist risk? Mr. Clarke. I cannot get---- Senator Shelby. It is because the Government backs up the big risk. Is that correct? Mr. Clarke. No. It is my retention---- Senator Shelby. It is? Mr. Clarke. It is my $2 billion. Senator Shelby. Well, what about the Government's risk? That is what you want out there. That is what has worked. That is what has caused the--that is why this program has worked, I believe. Mr. Clarke. If you would like us to pay more or pay for the reinsurance, it will just detract from what we will take. Senator Shelby. Well, I am not interested in wanting you to do anything except I want the insurance market to work. Mr. Plunkett, would you please comment on the importance of keeping TRIA a truly temporary program as opposed to making it permanent? Mr. Plunkett. Senator Shelby, I think the main issue here is what I raised in my testimony, that adjustments to the program would be very difficult politically to make as the market changes. We are not calling for a 2-year extension or a 3-year extension, but we think 4 or 5 years would give the program some continuity, but give you adequate time to also make changes, if necessary. Senator Shelby. Thank you. Mr. Peninger, in its report to this Committee last year, the President's Working Group found that, despite not being covered by TRIA, group life insurance was available in the private market and that prices for group life have generally declined since September 11, 2001. Mr. Plunkett just echoed these findings on the availability and the affordability of group life. In the absence of any evidence of market failure in the group life market, it appears that your proposal to have group life covered by TRIA is another example of an insurance company seeking to reap the profits of insurance while transferring the losses ultimately to the taxpayer. Would you comment on that? Mr. Peninger. I can make a few comments, Senator. First, I guess I do not believe that--our experience at Assurant--and that is what I can speak most credibly to--is that catastrophe reinsurance is not, in fact, available. We have scoured the market every year since 9/11. We have been unable to get catastrophe protection in anywhere near the limits that we had prior to 9/11. So I think to say it is available in the market is in our experience false. I would also say that we cannot use exclusions to protect ourselves against deaths due to terrorist events. And if you say we should just exit the business, I would say that it is very difficult to exit one of the most highly desired benefits markets in a coverage that for millions of Americans it is their only means of protection. So I think right now, we are in a situation where in the event of a major catastrophe, group insurers will potentially fail, and you will have to deal with chaos after the fact. Senator Shelby. Mr. Clarke, in your testimony you indicated that TRIA has achieved its goals by making terrorism risk insurance widely available and help stabilize the market for terrorism risk insurance. Based on your testimony, is it fair to conclude that you believe that both the program's insurer deductible and insurance marketplace aggregate retention amount are set appropriately? The system seems to be working under this. Mr. Clarke. For everything except NBCR. Senator Shelby. Except what? Mr. Clarke. The nuclear---- Senator Shelby. OK. Mr. Chairman, thank you. Chairman Dodd. Thank you. Senator Menendez. Senator Shelby. Mr. Chairman, could I ask, I have several more questions that I would like to submit for the record in the interest of time. Chairman Dodd. The record will remain open. Senator Shelby. Thank you very much. Chairman Dodd. Senator Menendez. Senator Menendez. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am going to have to preside, so I just want to get one question out there, the core of the differences. I am normally with Mr. Plunkett and not the Treasury Department, so I find it interesting today, I am not with him today. But I want to ask you all to--or those of you--some of you to comment on the core of what I understand his statement is, which is that the TRIA program as currently structured is standing in the way of development of a more vibrant private market for terrorism coverage that would have the capacity to handle all but the most catastrophic attacks; and, second, that you have heard the Treasury Department referred to here several times has, in essence, said that federally subsidized reinsurance has depressed the demand for private reinsurance. What is wrong about that statement? Is there something underpinning it that is missing? Mr. Veghte. As a reinsurer, if I may comment, it has not depressed demand for reinsurance. We---- Chairman Dodd. Could you speak up, Mr. Veghte? It is a little hard---- Mr. Veghte. We are often asked to provide private reinsurance for terrorism. The difficulty in underwriting it as opposed to, say, a natural catastrophe, the analytics, the predictability of severity and frequency just simply does not allow us to provide the same leverage off of our balance sheet. Providing capacity for a risk such as terrorism--which is virtually impossible to model from a frequency perspective. We are making some progress on the severity side, but it is a much different dynamic to underwrite. Senator Menendez. So it is the frequency versus severity? Mr. Veghte. It is both. It is both. Senator Menendez. Both. Mr. Veghte. But, clearly, if terrorism exposure was sort of blended into natural catastrophe reinsurance, nat-cat reinsurance for States such as Florida would actually be constricted because the reinsurance industry would have to reduce their limits because of the uncertainty of the terrorism risk embedded in the private reinsurance market. Senator Menendez. Mr. Plunkett, what do you say about the GAO's report last year that said the risks from nuclear, radiological, biological, and chemical threats are distinctly different from those hazards that are predictable, measurable in dollar terms, random, and unlikely to result in catastrophic losses for an insurer. Given those challenges, the GAO found that, ``Any purely market-driven expansion of coverage for these specialized terrorism risks is highly unlikely to be seen in the foreseeable future.'' Mr. Plunkett. Senator, we agree with the GAO, and others have made the same observation. That is why we proposed a higher-level program that would cover nuclear, biological, chemical, and radiation attacks. And we think it is one of the parts of the market that is not yet working. Senator Menendez. And if that were to be the coverage, then what would be the problem for those of you who are involved in the insurance, if that were to be the coverage? For those of you who are insurers, what would then be the issue? If you were to concentrate it, as Mr. Plunkett suggests, would that still meet the market's challenges? Mr. Veghte. I would suggest there would still be a major amount of uncertainty as to the precise exposure to non-NBCR and, therefore, still make underwriting the risk very difficult, and potentially contract capacity in the non- terrorism exposures. Senator Menendez. One last question. Mr. Lieber, even as we talk about having reauthorization of a Federal program, aren't there some challenges on the private existing insurers today? I have been following the problems of the former World Trade Center insurers, and aren't there those who seek to walk away even from the existing insurance? Mr. Lieber. Yes, and this is--you are right--a separate issue. We have to obtain financing to rebuild, and the TRIA program and Federal terrorism insurance are essential to that. Separately, we do have to resolve the outstanding claims with the insurance companies who provided coverage on the World Trade Center, and after two jury verdicts affirmed by the U.S. Court of Appeals, some of them are still unwilling to make good on that. So while we are thrilled to be at the same table on the same side of an issue with our friends in the insurance industry on TRIA, obviously, to make sure the World Trade Center is rebuilt, we are going to have to resolve those disputes as well and make sure we collect them from our friends in the insurance industry. Senator Menendez. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman Dodd. Thank you very much, Senator Menendez. Let me just raise a couple more questions, if I can here. I want to come back to the group life issue that was raised by Senator Shelby and others here as well. Let me ask you, Mr. McRaith, to comment on this as an Insurance Commissioner and looking at these questions. How do you answer the criticism that since most, if not all, group life policies currently cover terrorism losses, that seemingly the capacity already exists to cover those losses? Mr. McRaith. As insurance regulators, Mr. Chairman, our priority concern is that the promises made to the consumers are kept. The primary obligation we have to fulfill that responsibility is to ensure that--to examine and regulate companies for solvency. If, for example, one company in a group life policy had 1,000 participants in one location, they would normally expect three to four people to die during the course of a year. When that same company has--that site is the location or the target of a terrorist attack, you can lose 1,000 people, hypothetically, in one event on 1 day. And at the same time, all the other policyholders of that company around the country are still dying at their normal rates. Solvency is the issue, and that is why we encourage consideration of group life in the renewal or extension of the current TRIA. Mr. Peninger. Senator, could I add to that? Chairman Dodd. Certainly. Mr. Peninger. My company in the early 1990's happened to insure Cantor Fitzgerald. We did not have them insured at the time of the attack, but that company cost their insurer $700 million due to 9/11, at which they had full catastrophe reinsurance protection. That would not be available for them today, so I think that speaks to the solvency risk. Mr. Plunkett. Senator, I would like to say that our Insurance Director, Bob Hunter, recommended to the NAIC shortly after 9/11 that the NAIC push group life insurers in the direction of cross-insurance. When you have these highly concentrated risks in distinct geographic areas, he recommended that group life insurers use cross-insurance mechanisms similar to what are sometimes used in the property casualty area to cross-insure each other, a building in San Francisco cross- insuring with a building in New York, so to speak, to deal with the unique aspect of aggregate risk that we are talking about here. To the best of our knowledge, not much has been done here by group life insurers. Chairman Dodd. What is your reaction to that, Mr. Peninger? Mr. Peninger. There has been some talk about that. It is a very complicated problem. I will not say it is impossible, but I think you have to have mechanisms for ranking the risk of various areas. There are just lots of factors that would go into that. It sounds great in theory. I think the devil is definitely in the details on that. Chairman Dodd. Do you agree with that, Mr. McRaith? Mr. McRaith. Absolutely, Mr. Chairman. We certainly respect the opinions of the Consumer Federation, and they often make valuable points. That is not one, however, that is valuable beyond a hypothetical discussion. Chairman Dodd. Yes. Let me come back to a question. Senator Bunning raised this in his opening comments, and Senator Menendez talked about it. It is the capacity issue, and I am trying to project ahead in questions that my colleagues will have and others will have about this. It is maybe not a sophisticated question in your minds, but one that I can see them raising all the time. You know, this is a very talented and creative industry, the insurance industry, and it has been able to model in all sorts of areas to be able to assess risk and to make judgments about it, and in a very sophisticated economy. Now, obviously, I think all of us understand with terrorist attacks we are dealing with a unique feature here, but let me raise this. A study conducted by the Treasury Department in 2005 found that 50 percent of the insurers surveyed would cease providing terrorism risk insurance if TRIA expired. They would cease it, 50 percent said that they would. The Marsh report found--I am quoting them here--``If TRIA is not renewed or if there is no permanent solution in place, the stand-alone insurance market is unlikely to have sufficient capacity to meet demand.'' I have basic questions, and I will ask who may be the most competent to address it. How much capacity is currently available in the private sector? And how has that capacity changed over the last few years? And what are the factors limiting--and this is the question--the private sector from expanding that capacity? First of all, does someone have the answer to that first question on how much---- Mr. McRaith. Our estimates, Mr. Chairman, are that the entire property casualty industry has a capacity of about $427 billion. Approximately one-half of that is for commercial lines. Chairman Dodd. You mentioned this earlier. Mr. McRaith. Right. And each company is some fraction of that. Chairman Dodd. OK. Well, give me some of the factors, again, this limiting capacity issue here, and the response to the question of why can't the industry begin to address and deal with this question of capacity. Mr. Bailey. Mr. Chairman, maybe I can jump in on a little bit of this. The whole concept--and I have listened to some of it--of a private solution is a complicated one for a lot of reasons. Our industry has not done, frankly, a lot of mundane things well. Mastering just the art of getting an accurate policy issued is not something that we would put in the to-do list at this point. The extraordinary at that it would require, the effort that it would require for all of these parties to come together to create a private solution that was effective in every aspect is just impractical. It would be a big bet for us to say let's shut down TRIA and hope that everybody will come together, the private sector, and come up with a reasonable solution. And given what is at risk, it is just not a bet we should make. Mr. Plunkett. Mr. Chairman, couldn't Congress facilitate such a private solution? We recommend as part of our higher- level TRIA proposal that, under the NAIC's direction, Congress facilitate the construction of a private pool at lower levels of losses, under $100 billion. That is an approach, if done fairly, that could involve a public-private partnership with Congress merely facilitating, allowing, encouraging, and mandating that NAIC do it under certain specific conditions. Chairman Dodd. It is a thought. Well, listen, thank you all very much. We are going to try and move on this. And I am pleased to see even--and I thank you, Mr. Plunkett, as well here--that the need for some continuations here may differ on-- and obviously you do on the length and some of the areas we cover, but my sense is here that there is a general consensus we cannot let this--the option of doing nothing is really not acceptable. I think, Mr. Plunkett, you would agree with that. I am trying to get your attention, Mr. Plunkett. Mr. Plunkett. Oh. Excuse me. Pardon me. Chairman Dodd. Doing nothing is not an option. Mr. Plunkett. We agree. Chairman Dodd. All right. And so what we need to try to pull together is--if we cannot--what I do not want to have happen is us to get into next fall, late fall, with this clock ticking on us here. So I am going to try and urge my colleagues here on the Committee to come up with some proposals on this and then move the process so we get some clarity on this, and earlier, rather than waiting later, when I think the clock can become a tremendous disadvantage with people who just want to be obstructionist for the sake of being obstructionist. Senator Reed has, I know, indicated--I don't want to try and speak for him here, but a strong interest in the subject matter as well, and I am very appreciative of his concerned about this. So we will be trying to move as quickly as we can here, but listening to people and trying to package something together. I want to say how grateful I am to Senator Shelby. He and I differ on this issue to some degree, but he has been very cooperative in the past in trying to work on something here that will allow us to build a consensus here that will work. So I am grateful to him for his cooperation, and I am thankful to my colleagues here who showed up today as expressing their interest in the subject matter. It is very important, and I am very grateful to all of you who bring a wealth of knowledge to this, and understanding. It has been very helpful to hear your testimony here this morning. This Committee will stand adjourned. 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Access and affordability of terrorism risk insurance has improved since 2001, and since TRIA's reauthorization in 2005. This has happened even as the TRIA program has been scaled back significantly. Do you forecast this trend continuing under current market conditions? A.1. While the data show that access and affordability for terrorism insurance have improved since TRIA was enacted in late 2002, and that the federal legislation has had a stabilizing effect on the market, this was not the case during the period following September 11, 2001, and the passage of TRIA. Equally important, without a federal program that continues to fulfill these goals, there are predictions that market conditions would return to those that commercial insurance consumers saw post-September 11 and pre-TRIA. For example, according to the American Academy of Actuaries, ``without a federal backstop, there will be a long-term, rather than just an immediate negative effect where there will be higher prices, decreased availability, and lower take-up rates.'' On the other hand, with federal legislation in place, we have seen the types of market improvement that you describe. The most recent (July 2006) ``Marketwatch'' report by Marsh indicates that the percentage of companies buying terrorism insurance covering property risks has increased consistently since TRIA was enacted, reaching nearly 60 percent as of mid- 2006. The Council of Insurance Agents and Brokers' most recent ``Market Survey'' (covering the fourth quarter 2006) indicates that terrorism premium rates are stable for most policyholders. These market data are an indication that TRIA and the TRIA Extension Act are working effectively to achieve the goal of a stable insurance market despite the ongoing difficulties of managing terrorism risk. Although the TRIA Extension Act requires private insurers to assume a significant amount of terrorism risk through per company retentions, quota shares, and the removal of several commercial lines from the program, the presence of the federal backstop puts a box around the volatility associated with terrorism risk and therefore facilitates both the availability and affordability of coverage. Many insurers--particularly those with large, diversified client portfolios--manage their terrorism accumulations to a level that is significantly less than their very substantial retentions. This may be why scaling back the program, as was done in the TRIA Extension Act, did not change the market dynamic significantly. Removing the backstop or further increasing retentions, however, could have a more adverse impact, and undermine the legislative goal of stability achieved under TRIA and its successor. The current TRIA retention levels are already so high that they preclude meaningful backstop protection for some insurers, while for others, the program functions as more of a solvency protection mechanism than an underwriting tool. However, if retentions are raised further or the program is scaled back to the extent that it ceases to perform even this vital solvency role, regulators and rating agencies may step in to limit exposure levels. As noted, this could lead to market conditions akin to those we saw between September 11, 2001, and the statute's enactment in November 2002, and the long-term negative effects described by the American Academy of Actuaries. Q.1.a. Is the goal of the insurance industry to operate in a market without a TRIA program? Should it be their goal? A.1.a. The insurance industry's goal is to manage terrorism insurance as efficiently and effectively as possible, given myriad factors that make this an uninsurable risk, particularly for chemical, nuclear, biological, and radiological (CNBR) attacks. Right now, and for the foreseeable future, there is no way to change the characteristics of terrorism risk to ``make'' it insurable and much of the information necessary to assess the frequency of acts of terrorism understandably lies solely in the hands of the federal government. Therefore, the government is a necessary partner in managing our Nation's exposure to terrorism. Nonetheless, the industry is doing everything it possibly can in the private market to enhance its understanding of this risk and to assess the probability and severity of another attack or series of attacks on U.S. soil. Improvements to computer-based modeling are an example of what private insurers are doing to assess and manage their exposure both at individual locations and for aggregates of exposures. However, the models do not quantify the likelihood of a terrorist attack or provide insurers with any additional capacity to insure terrorism risk. In fact, by helping insurers to allocate capacity more efficiently, they actually may reduce the amount of coverage provided by individual insurers in perceived high- risk or high-density locations in the absence of federal involvement in the management of this risk, or as the federal program becomes only a solvency protection mechanism. Additionally, the high degree of state regulatory restrictions and the resulting lack of free market is a further impediment to insurers' ability to operate without a federal backstop. These price and product controls impede insurers' ability to price terrorism adequately and therefore restrict the supply of insurance that they are able to make available, consistent with sound financial management, a situation that would be exacerbated were TRIA to expire. Thus, if Congress's goal is to stabilize and, hopefully, improve the availability and affordability of terrorism insurance, then a meaningful federal program must be continued. We also strongly support preemption of state rate and form regulation. Q.1.b. What is your reaction to the CBO statement that a long term program would contribute to marketplace distortions? A.1.b. We disagree strongly with the Congressional Budget Office's (``CBO's'') statement, taken from a January 2005 Report (``Federal Terrorism Reinsurance: An Update''), that a long term program would contribute to marketplace distortions. The industry retention under the TRIA Extension Act, estimated at $35 billion in 2007, allows private reinsurers ample opportunity to play a significant role in taking on and managing terrorism risk. Yet, since CBO made those statements, there have been only incremental increases in the amount of private sector terrorism reinsurance capacity. According to Mr. Veghte's testimony at the hearing, there is currently about $6- 8 billion in private sector terrorism reinsurance capacity, about the same as a year ago. Reinsurers view this risk much the same way that primary insurers do. As a result, they are reluctant to take on more risk than is prudent. The one important distinction between primary insurers and reinsurers is that reinsurers do not operate under government price controls and are able to charge free-market, competitive rates for reinsurance. The current regulatory differences between the primary and reinsurance markets mean that the premiums that reinsurers require from primary insurers often exceed the amount of terrorism premium that primary insurers are able to obtain from policyholders, due to these state rate regulatory restrictions and the policyholders' interest in purchasing coverage required to be made available under TRIA. According to the PWG, a little less than $1 billion in primary terrorism insurance premiums is collected annually. Virtually all of this is being used to fund the $6-8 billion private reinsurance layer, and many carriers are self-insuring their retentions by exposing more of their capital to risk. TRIA is not distorting the market; rather, it is allowing it to function in a manner that addresses fundamental economic realities facing insurers and policyholders. Q.2. Accurate risk modeling is key to increasing the availability of insurance. Mr. Veghte discusses risk modeling in his testimony. Like other catastrophic events, terrorist attacks are unexpected, unpredictable, and carry a large potential for destruction. What makes terrorism risk impossible to model where other catastrophic events can be modeled with a certain degree of accuracy? A.2. While both natural catastrophes and terrorism are capable of causing extreme loss, they are fundamentally different from an insurability perspective. For terrorism, private sector reinsurance or other risk-sharing capital remains woefully inadequate and shows no signs of robust growth in the near future. This is a strong indicator that the capital markets have reached the same conclusions about the private insurability of terrorism risk. Moreover, there is no reliable method for determining the likelihood of a terrorist attack (event frequency) within the United States, a critical component in determining the insurability of a risk. This is complicated by the fact that terrorism is a deliberate act committed by individuals bent on doing the worst possible harm. Additionally, the interdependence of terrorism risk also limits the potential effectiveness of mitigation. Finally, for national security reasons, vital information necessary to assess the terrorism threat is strictly classified and unavailable to insurers as they attempt to manage this risk. Unlike natural catastrophe models, which take both frequency and severity into account, current terrorism models in use are deterministic, not probabilistic--i.e., they quantify the impact of representative terrorist attack scenarios but do not assess the likelihood of an attack. However, both the frequency and severity of attacks are important considerations with respect to the underwriting and pricing of terrorism coverage. As long as the frequency of such events remains unpredictable, the models will be of limited assistance to insurers as they grapple with the dimensions of terrorism risk. Q.3. According to the President's Working Group study, about forty percent of all policyholders do not purchase terrorism insurance. A contributing factor to this may be the belief by some that the federal government will step in if another attack occurs. Do you think government subsidies to the insurance industry contribute to this perception? A.3. TRIA does not provide a subsidy to the insurance industry. It is a federal program intended to stabilize terrorism risk insurance markets, that provides a benefit to policyholders and enables the U.S. economy to operate and grow in the face of potential terrorist attacks in this country. Pursuant to the National Association of Insurance Commissioners Model Disclosure form (which has been accepted by the U.S. Treasury), insurers are required to warrant that the premiums paid by policyholders do not include any charges for the portion of losses covered by the TRIA backstop. According to research by the Center for Terrorism Risk Management Policy at RAND, the structure of the current program helps to keep premiums more affordable for policyholders and therefore encourages a higher take-up rate. Moreover, RAND believes that, ``if TRIA is allowed to sunset, given the likely increase in prices [paid by policyholders], and assuming no change in the perception of risk by those who are insured, it is likely that take-up rates will fall.'' Thus, rather than depressing take-up rates, we believe that the federal backstop in TRIA helps to keep rates affordable and encourages the purchase of insurance. Prior to Hurricane Katrina, most post-disaster response and recovery grants provided by the federal government went to pay for products and services that traditionally are not covered by private insurance, such as government infrastructure repairs and small business loan programs. Hurricane Katrina changed that equation by expanding the categories of federal assistance to some areas that traditionally have been covered exclusively by insurance. Changing expectations about the role of post- event government assistance, rather than TRIA's support for the insurance marketplace, may change the willingness of policyholders to purchase insurance in the future. To understand this better, we encourage a thorough analysis of how federal aid following a natural or man-made catastrophe should be distributed in the future, particularly as it relates to losses that typically are covered by private insurance. Q.3.a. Would increased purchases of terrorism insurance increase availability of policies in the marketplace? A.3.a. TRIA requires that insurers make terrorism insurance available for all TRIA-covered lines, on the same terms and conditions that they make non-terrorism insurance available. Thus, to increase property insurance take-up rates, it is not a matter of more insurers making the coverage available, but of more policyholders choosing to purchase it. For workers' compensation, state laws in every jurisdiction not only require insurers to make insurance available, but also mandate its purchase as part of comprehensive workers' compensation policies that cover all workplace accidents and injuries. As a result, for workers' compensation, the take-up rate is effectively 100%, so there is no need to increase take-up rates. As I noted previously, the percentage of companies buying terrorism insurance covering property risks has increased consistently since TRIA was enacted, suggesting both increased demand and more acceptable pricing. The 60 percent take-up rate actually compares favorably to other voluntary purchases of catastrophic risk insurance, particularly flood insurance and earthquake insurance. Looking ahead, supply is dependent on underwriters' perception of risk and it will remain very limited for certain target exposures and concentrations of risk. Increased ability of insurers to provide coverage beneath the TRIA retentions will only occur with the improvement in terms and conditions of reinsurance available to the industry. ------ RESPONSE TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF SENATOR BUNNING FROM CHARLES CLARKE Q.1. Has industry proposed a long-term private sector solution or is the federal program the only long-term solution? If the federal backstop is the long-term solution, then what modifications does industry propose? A.1. TRIA is a public/private partnership which requires insurers to retain significant losses before the federal backstop is triggered. Based on the current year's retention levels (20 percent of premiums covered lines), it is likely that an event would have to exceed the magnitude of the September 11, 2001 attack on the World Trade Center--more than $30 billion--before the backstop comes into play. Additionally, there are mechanisms in TRIA which provide for a post-event policyholder surcharge through which Treasury can recoup federal dollars that are expended. Through the per-company retentions and policyholder surcharges, both insurers and insureds make a significant private sector commitment to managing terrorism risk. We continue to believe, however, that a federal backstop, particularly for CNBR risk, will remain necessary for the foreseeable future. As I outlined in my testimony, the characteristics that make terrorism an uninsurable risk remain as strong today as they were immediately following September 11, 2001. While TRIA and its extension do not change this basic dynamic, they put a box around the volatility associated with terrorism risk and, therefore, facilitate both coverage availability and affordability. For the past six and a half years, we have been working diligently with Congress, the Administration, capital markets experts, the policyholder community, and others to examine alternatives to TRIA. We continue to believe it is the most operationally effective and fiscally efficient structure for balancing market needs and solvency concerns. While well- intentioned, the ``pool'' proposals that we have analyzed could undermine sound underwriting and are unlikely to provide significant new capital for the spreading of this risk. We believe that the most important change that could be made to TRIA is to provide financial certainty for insurers and increased federal financial participation in the event of a CNBR attack. Our greatest concern relates to the current $100 billion program cap, which would be wholly insufficient in the event of a nuclear strike on a U.S. city. We also support recalibrating insurer participation in a manner that is consistent with the potential financial and operational consequences of a CNBR attack. In my testimony, I outlined several other suggested program changes applicable to conventional terrorism risk, but we believe that appropriately addressing CNBR risk is the highest priority in terms of proposed modifications to the current program. Q.2. What effect would tax-deductible reserves for future terrorism losses have on an insurer's balance sheet? What effect does it have on the ability to provide coverage? A.2. Under current federal tax laws, GAAP, and state insurance regulatory accounting standards (known as SAP), insurers are not permitted to establish reserves for events which have not yet occurred. This results in considerable volatility of losses and earnings, depending on catastrophe loss experience (natural catastrophes as well as terrorism) in a particular year. To address this issue fully (i.e., from both a tax and an accounting perspective), it would be necessary to amend the Internal Revenue Code, GAAP, and SAP. Insurers then could establish tax-deductible terrorism/catastrophe reserves, and reflect them on their accounting statements. These changes might reduce volatility initially as a reserve buildup would allow for payment of some or all claims with potentially little impact on an insurer's capital; however, the reserve fund would have to be built up again over time and those costs would have to be factored into perspective costs and could create volatility post event. There are differences of opinion in the financial community as to whether this would put companies in better position to manage catastrophe risk. There are, for example, concerns that a catastrophe reserve would decrease insurers' surplus (because the money is taken from surplus and put into a reserve), thus ``trapping'' capital that may be needed for other purposes, as well as potentially reducing the capital that would otherwise be used to underwrite risks. There is also a timing issue. Certainly, in the case of a CNBR terrorist attack, it would take many, many years for insurers to build reserves sufficient to pay losses that could total hundreds of billions of dollars. As this is occurring, money that otherwise would be paid in taxes is allocated to the tax-deductible reserve, leading to a federal revenue loss that might actually exceed the budgetary impacts of the TRIA program. Additionally, absent a federal backstop, tax-deductible pre-event reserves are not likely to aid availability in a material way because insurers must continue to manage their terrorism risk based on exposure models and overall exposure levels. They cannot take on more risk than is prudent in the short-term because of the possibility that a tax-deductible reserve will grow in the future. Moreover, rates are not likely to decline, and in fact could increase, because the money that is being set aside in the reserve to pay for future events is not available to pay non-terrorism losses in the current year, but both must be funded. Q.3. If it does not become mandatory for insurers to offer CNBR coverage, how would insurers adjust or allocate a loss in the event of a terrorist attack involving both a conventional and unconventional weapon? In the case of, say, a dirty bomb it causes a large amount of physical damage to the building, but only a small amount of radioactive or chemical clean-up. Would insurers look to exclude the entire loss? A.3. Absent the specific facts as they apply to each policyholder, it is not possible to comment on how insurers would adjust or allocate a loss in the event of a terrorist attack involving both a conventional and unconventional weapon. However, your question underscores one of the problems that could arise from the current statutory framework, which recognizes that the current TRIA backstop is not robust enough to alleviate the solvency threat posed by unconventional weapons and therefore allows insurers to utilize CNBR exclusions to the extent permitted by state law. For workers' compensation, there would be coverage for both conventional and CNBR terrorism losses, with no distinctions. Q.4. If industry could understand the long term probabilities of terrorism occurrences, how could the industry price the risk in a reasonable way that would spread the cost over time? In other words, if the private industry could learn to model and price the risk should insureds be able to expect little to no charge in advance of an event, and enormous charges after, dwindling over time? Is that desirable? A.4. As a general proposition, insurers use terrorism models to estimate the amount of insured loss from a static event so that they can manage their respective accumulations of risk; this is known as a deterministic model. This technique allows insurers to spread their allocations of capacity geographically so that the insurers' responsibility to compensate for physical damage and human loss is expected to fall within its risk tolerance. It does not, however, allow them to factor in the likelihood of a future terrorist attack, which requires probabilistic modeling. Probabilistic modeling for terrorism is in its infancy, and it is likely to take years, if not decades, for it to advance to the point where insurers have any confidence in the predictions. Even if credible probabilistic models were available, one should not confuse the ability to quantify terrorism risk with the ability to insure it. Models do not provide insurers with any additional capacity to insure terrorism risk and in fact may result in reducing the amount of coverage provided by individual insurers in perceived high-risk or high-density locations. While developing this improved understanding of the terrorism loss potential is important to protect solvency, it does not further TRIA's goals of improving availability and affordability of terrorism insurance. State rate regulatory requirements generally prohibit insurers from retrospectively recouping past losses in their rating base (i.e., rates are based on projected future costs, not recovery of past losses). Even if state regulations permitted such charges, they probably could not be sustained in the market, because new entrants who are not burdened by the losses in question could undercut insurers who need to recoup past losses. Thus, private insurers do not have the legal or practical ability to charge ``little or no'' premium in advance of an event, and larger amounts after the fact, as suggested by your question. TRIA, however, provides such a framework for the federal government to recoup monies its pays for insured losses through a post-event policyholder surcharge (capped at 3% of premium annually). The federal backstop results in lower premiums in the absence of a terrorist attack and the policyholder surcharges result in higher post-event costs to allow for recoupment to the Treasury. Q.5. Granting that TRIA provides insurers some certainty about Federal support and their own retention of risk, whether we have TRIA in place or not, is it not true that a severe terrorist event will end up in the lap of the Federal Government to fund, after the fact, since insurers' equity is insufficient? A.5. TRIA provides certainty not only to insurers but also to policyholders, the Treasury, and the economy at large. For insurers, the per-company retention has increased each year since TRIA was enacted (7% in 2003; 10% in 2004; 15% in 2005; 17.5% in 2006; 20% in 2007) and is unlikely to be breached in any but the most extreme terrorist attacks. Nonetheless, the backstop does provide stability to the marketplace and solvency protection in the event of a large scale terrorist attack. TRIA also provides policyholders who purchase terrorism coverage with the certainty of knowing that they have an economic safety net in place to cover workers' compensation, property loss, and liability claims. The policyholder surcharge mechanism in TRIA provides fiscal certainty for taxpayers through recoupments to Treasury. The program imposes mandatory policyholder surcharges for aggregate loss levels to the extent those losses are paid by the federal government up to $27.5 billion, and allows policyholder surcharges at Treasury's discretion above that level, up to the $100 billion annual program cap. Greater certainty in each of the aforementioned areas provides short- and long-term benefits to the economy. This certainty would be severely compromised in the absence of TRIA, however. Insurers would face the risk of ruin in the event of a catastrophic terrorist attack. As noted above, this could result in higher costs and reduced availability of terrorism insurance coverage, leading to more uninsured losses in the event of a large-scale attack and adversely affecting not only the policyholders who are the targets of the terrorists, but also the broader economy. The federal government may step in to pay these losses, but without TRIA's policyholder surcharge mechanism, there is little likelihood that these federal expenditures will be recouped. Thus, while TRIA is perceived to be providing a federal benefit to the insurance system, it is altogether possible that federal payments would be higher if the program is allowed to expire than if a backstop remains in place. Q.6. Would it not be preferable for all parties to provide for some advance funding of this risk (possibly in combination with other risks to lower the burden of any one on the taxpayers and the society), so the cost could be spread over time, so the uncertainty concerning the consequences be diminished and so that the government would receive some income for its inevitable support? A.6. As noted above, insurers do not charge any premium to policyholders for the protection provided by the federal backstop, with the understanding that policyholders will be assessed for post-event surcharges if a terrorist attack triggers federal payments under the program to the levels specified in the legislation. Should TRIA become ``pre-funded'' in some fashion, terrorism insurance rates are likely to increase to finance the layer of risk that currently is funded through the post-event policyholder surcharge, potentially resulting in a drop in take-up rates and less protection for the economy. We believe that an appropriate balance between the per-company retentions, which provide advance funding through the private insurance system, and policyholder surcharges, which provide after-the-fact recoupment to Treasury, provides greater overall economic efficiency than would a program that requires more advance funding of the loss layer that currently is post-event funded, and therefore higher insurance rates. ------ RESPONSE TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF SENATOR SHELBY FROM MICHAEL J. PENINGER Q.1.a. In your testimony, you state that if group life insurance is added as a covered line under TRIA, a separate recoupment mechanism should be created for group life insurers because they take on different types of risks than P&C insurers. Please explain why the risk covered by TRIA--the risk of loss from an act of terrorism--is not the same for both group life and P&C insurers? A.1.a. The business of group life insurance is very different than that of P&C insurance. P&C policies are generally priced to take into account the immediate and complete destruction of each property from various events, including fires, tornadoes, earthquakes and hurricanes. Terrorism risk simply adds to the probability of total loss (although at an indeterminable rate). Group life policies, on the other hand, are priced according to actuarially-sound mortality and morbidity tables that accurately estimate the independent death rates of individuals over various periods of time. These tables, and the resulting policy premiums, do not, and cannot, take into account unpredictable man-made terrorist attacks that can kill a significant number of insured individuals all at once. In this case, the probability of death is not just increased by the terrorism risk (once again, at an indeterminable rate), but magnified by the concentration risk prevalent by having groups of people all located in one place. In addition, unlike most P&C carriers, most (if not all) group life insurers do not exclude nuclear, biological, chemical and radiological terrorist events from coverage. As a result, life insurers are more susceptible to financial distress than P&C insurers if a major NBCR attack were to occur. Q.1.b. Please explain why the taxpayer should not have the right to recoup payouts under TRIA from all of the beneficiaries of the program? If an insurer receives the profits associated with writing a line of insurance covered by TRIA, why would they not also have to pay for the costs of the government backstop provided by TRIA? If TRIA is an insurance program, should not beneficiaries have to pay for the cost of the insurance even if a beneficiary does not receive any payments under the program? A.1.b. We agree that the beneficiaries of the TRIA program should pay for the cost of the program. The proposal for separate recoupment provisions does nothing to prevent that from occurring. It simply allocates the recoupment in proportion to the benefits received from the program. Because group life and P&C insurance are very different from each other in terms of risks that are assumed, premiums that are charged and duration of coverage, we believe it would be inappropriate and inadvisable to commingle the recoupment of funds that were remitted for group life and/or P&C claims. Separate recoupment provisions should be included in any TRIA extension in order to properly and equitably match the repayment of taxpayer funds (via ``terrorism loss risk-spreading premiums'') with those major lines of insurance that triggered the disbursement of such funds. Group life insurers should not have to reimburse the Treasury for financial assistance that relates to P&C losses, and vice versa. Otherwise, in the event of a terrorist attack that causes mostly P&C losses in terms of dollars, life insurers would have to pay the Treasury billions of dollars for P&C losses that are completely unrelated to their line of business and for which they derived no benefit from. Group life insurers would not derive any benefit under TRIA (e.g., amount of deductibles, recoupment) by P&C insurance being covered in the program, just as P&C insurers would not derive any benefit by group life insurance being added to the program. Our recommended approach is similar to how our nation's insurance guaranty association system works. All states but one (Wisconsin) have separate guaranty associations for P&C and the life/health insurers. This system is designed so only life/ health insurers are responsible for contributing toward the unpaid claims of another life or health insurer, while only P&C insurers are responsible for contributing toward the unpaid claims of another P&C insurer. The TRIA program should be designed similarly. Q.2.a. In your written testimony, you argue that group life insurance should be covered by TRIA because competitive pressures will force companies to write group life insurance. You state that ``unless the entire industry took the same approach, any group life insurer that tried to prudently manage its risk exposure by excluding terrorism coverage would be placed at a severe competitive disadvantage in the marketplace.'' As a general proposition, do you believe that life insurance companies have the discipline necessary to abide by their own underwriting standards and not to sell insurance that exposes them to risks they can not effectively manage? A.2.a. It is not a matter of discipline, but instead, a matter of economic necessity and good public policy that group insurers offer group life insurance to its policyholders at affordable rates. Since group life is generally offered to employers or associations as part of a package of other insurance benefits (e.g., medical, dental, disability, accidental death and dismemberment), an insurer would be significantly jeopardizing its ability to obtain any group insurance business if it decided not to include group life in its benefits packages (since its competitors are including group life in their packages). While it is true that each and every insurer could decide not to offer group life (which would eliminate the competitive disadvantage of not offering it), group insurers believe that its policyholders and their employees and members (for whom group life is often their only form of life insurance) are better protected if group life is included in these benefit packages, despite the additional risk and potential financial loss if a major terrorist attack were to kill an extraordinary large number of certificate holders. Insurers attempt to minimize their own risks of loss by purchasing appropriate amounts of reinsurance. Immediately after September 11, 2001, group life insurers were generally unable to obtain catastrophic reinsurance, especially for terrorist events. While such reinsurance has generally become more available, it is often limited (e.g., it usually comes with higher premiums, deductibles, various exclusions and lower coverage limits). Q.2.b. If so, does not the fact that life insurers are presently offering group life at affordable rates, as the President's Working Group on Financial Markets has reported, demonstrate that there is no need to include group life insurance as a line covered under TRIA? A.2.b. No. The fact that group life remains affordable is a function of competitive pressure as described above. To be able to sell employee or group benefit packages in today's competitive market, insurers must not only offer group life insurance, but they must also price it low enough to remain competitive enough to obtain the underlying contracts. The life insurance industry is highly regulated in order to make sure that it has sufficient reserves and surpluses to withstand expected, as well as unexpected, death claims. Notwithstanding, a group insurer's reserves and surplus accounts are not designed or expected to withstand a terrorist attack that kills a disproportionately large number of its insured. In addition, most carriers have limited amounts of catastrophic reinsurance that could be used to pay such claims. Furthermore, if a multi-line insurer's reserves and surplus are completely depleted by group life claims, there would not be any other funds available to support other lines of insurance (e.g., health, disability). If one or several insurers are unable to meet some or most of its obligations after a small or medium-sized terrorist attack, state life and health guaranty associations are in place to assure that such obligations are indeed met (up to state-set limits). However, in the case of a major, cataclysmic terrorist attack (e.g., NBCR event), several (or many) insurers, including medium to large-size carriers, may become insolvent, and the guaranty association system may not have the capacity to fund unpaid claims. It is this potential system collapse that concerns the group life industry and is why it urges that group life be included in any TRIA extension. ------ RESPONSE TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF SENATOR ENZI FROM MICHAEL J. PENINGER Q.1. Studies have shown that terrorism risk insurance in group life policies remains available, and that prices have even declined, despite the fact that group life insurance is not part of the TRIA program. What is the rationale for including group life given these facts? A.1. As mentioned above, group life insurance remains available and affordable largely due to market competition, and will probably remain so regardless of whether group life is included in the TRIA program. What will change if group life is included in TRIA is the insurance industry's increased ability to withstand a major terrorist event (since the reinsurance market for group life will be rejuvenated, just like it was for workers' compensation when it was included in TRIA). TRIA would provide the necessary backstop for the group life industry, its policyholders and certificate holders--it would prevent many insurers from becoming insolvent after such an attack and provide the assurance that death claims will be paid. ------ RESPONSE TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF SENATOR ENZI FROM JAMES H. VEGHTE Q.1. Accurate risk modeling is key to increasing the availability of insurance. Mr. Veghte discusses risk modeling in his testimony. Like other catastrophic events, terrorist attacks are unexpected, unpredictable, and carry a large potential for destruction. What makes terrorism risk impossible to model where other catastrophic events can be modeled with a certain degree of accuracy? A.1. In an attempt to better understand terrorism risk, reinsurance companies have created task forces, consulted military and intelligence experts, hired specialty risk modeling firms, invested in research and development, and developed new underwriting standards with the intention of trying to determine if a private market could develop to absorb this risk. Despite these efforts, a key struggle in the development of a private market is that terrorism is not conventional. It has characteristics, particularly with regard to frequency, severity, and correlation, unlike any other peril or risk. Terrorists act willfully and unpredictably to cause fear and inflict maximum harm and damages and confound those who study terrorism. They can learn from their prior attacks and attempt to defeat loss prevention and mitigation methods. In addition, the insurance industry does not have access to all potentially relevant information because the government keeps it confidential due to national security interests. The potential severity of terrorism losses, particularly nuclear, radiological, biological and chemical (NRBC), is enormous. The extreme loss scenarios would cause losses that far outstrip insurer financial resources and therefore are uninsurable. Unlike natural disaster risk, reinsurers achieve virtually no spread of risk or diversification with terrorism coverage. Natural disasters such as hurricanes in Japan and Florida and earthquakes in the far west are not correlated. This means that premiums can be collected from each risk knowing that one loss will not lead to another. With terrorism risk there is an aggregation of losses arising from multiple clients and multiple insurance products implicated in the same occurrence. Thus, terrorism risk in Europe and North America may lead to closely related loss events. Such high correlation thus minimizes any benefit of risk spreading geographically. At the same time, a terrorist attack can lead to major disruptions in the financial markets, where reinsurers may be liquidating assets to pay claims, while the asset values themselves may be under market pressure due to investors' concerns over the terrorist risk. For these reasons, it has been impossible to effectively model terrorism. Q.2. The President's Working Group study noted that TRIA appears to negatively affect the emergence of private reinsurance capacity. How do you respond to this? A.2. In fact, the opposite is true. By establishing definitive loss parameters, TRIA has provided a defined layer for reinsurers to participate in sharing the retained risk of loss that primary companies face under the federal terrorism program. The limited emergence of a private reinsurance market is explained by the factors in question 1. Q.3. You estimate that reinsurance capacity is currently between $6 billion and $8 billion. This is an increase from 2005, when the capacity was estimated by RAA to be between $4 billion and $6 billion, correct? A.3. This is correct. Q.3.a. This growth also corresponds with a significant scaling back of the TRIA program from the 2005 reauthorization. Do you project this growth to continue? A.3.a. Favorable loss experience and surplus growth may moderately increase the supply of private terrorism reinsurance but not to the extent that it would fill current capacity needs of the primary industry to meet its retentions under TRIEA. It would be difficult to expand participation in the current environment. First, there is only so much capital that companies are willing to dedicate to a TRIA-type program due to the nature of terrorism risk. Second, because of the 2005 hurricane season, rating agencies and catastrophe modelers began requiring companies to maintain more capital/surplus to write the same amount of business as before the 2005 hurricanes. The private reinsurance market does not provide coverage in the layers retained by the government under the program. Q.3.b. Do you envision a marketplace without TRIA? A.3.b. Although progress has been made in modeling terrorism loss scenarios, forecasts of the frequency and the severity of terrorism losses are extremely problematic. Absent a lessening of the risk of terrorism, the RAA does not see a time in the foreseeable future when the frequency or severity of terrorism risk can be successfully modeled and underwritten such that reinsurers will be able to provide enough capacity to replace TRIEA coverage. Reinsurers can provide only limited capacity for terrorism because the magnitude of these potential losses would otherwise put these companies at risk of insolvency. Reinsurers' capital is necessary to support many other outstanding underwriting commitments made by reinsurers, including natural disasters, workers' compensation, and other casualty coverages. The insurance industry's retention under TRIEA is approximately $36 billion now, but the reinsurance market is only $6 to $8 billion. Since this gap has not been closed even with TRIEA, it does not make sense to significantly alter TRIEA at this time. There is even less reinsurance appetite for NRBC risk, which is even more difficult to model and underwrite. Q.4. Mr. McRaith, you stated in your testimony that any successor program should be of, ``sufficient time and means for the private sector to build the appropriate capacity.'' Mr. Veghte, you noted that RAA does not see an industry without a TRIA program. Do you disagree here? A.4. We seem to agree that the industry currently is unable to provide enough capacity to replace TRIEA coverage and will not be able to do so for the foreseeable future. Mr. McGraith notes that TRIEA coverage must continue until the private sector can build the appropriate capacity, but does not address how the private sector could do that, how long it would take or if, in fact, it would necessarily occur. Thus, we do not appear to be in serious disagreement at this time. ------ RESPONSE TO WRITTEN QUESTIONS OF SENATOR BUNNING FROM JAMES H. VEGHTE Q.1. Has industry proposed a long-term private sector solution or is the federal program the only long-term solution? If the federal backstop is the long-term solution, then what modifications does industry propose? A.1. Due to the nature of the terrorism peril, the RAA believes that private market mechanisms alone are insufficient at this time to spread the risk of catastrophic terrorism loss in a meaningful way. Instead, a continued public-private partnership is critical to address terrorism risk. Without some form of a federal role we would expect less coverage available at the policyholder level, rising prices for terrorism cover and even more limited private reinsurance capacity. With regard to modifications to TRIEA, because reinsurance is not covered under the program, we generally would defer to the primary industry as to modifications that would be necessary for a long-term program. Q.2.a. What effect would tax-deductible reserves for future terrorism losses have on an insurer's balance sheet? What effect does it have on the ability to provide coverage? A.2.a. The effect on insurers and reinsurers would be different. For insurers, the ability to set aside terrorism reserves for events that have not yet occurred and the attendant investment securities and related investment income would increase the surplus of the insurance industry. This is because insurers could record a tax deductible reserve for losses that have not been incurred or paid, thus reducing current taxes that must be paid. These funds would be invested and would grow and earn investment income until a qualifying terrorism event occurred. The qualifying terrorism event (if and when it occurs) would cause these reserves to be released and the investments disposed to pay terrorism claims. Tax deductible reserves for terrorism would be used as an alternative to traditional reinsurance by insurers. Instead of transferring terrorism risk, tax deductible reserves would likely encourage insurers to retain it. That does not necessarily mean, however, that insurers' appetite to assume that risk would increase. Q.2.b. What effect does it have on the ability to provide coverage? A.2.b. The effect on capacity may be different for insurers and reinsurers. In theory, if insurers have a larger pool of assets and surplus they would be able, all other things equal, to write more insurance business. There are several important caveats to this. First, the additional surplus and assets in the terrorism reserve are supposed to be earmarked to pay terrorism claims, so it is questionable whether this excess surplus would be allowed to be counted to support additional writings. The rating agencies, state insurance regulators or even the federal legislation may limit or prohibit this. Second, if insurers are allowed to use the additional surplus to support additional writings, there is no guarantee that the insurers will write additional terrorism insurance. The concentration of terrorism exposures may be too high or there may be alternative lines that are more profitable or prudent to write. Finally, whether or not the additional terrorism reserves are used to support other writings, other capital considerations would have to be considered such as when the price of coverage in the market is too low based on the insurer's assessment of risk, etc. For reinsurers, the effect of tax deductible catastrophe reserves on capacity is clearer. A government tax incentive for insurers will discourage participation in the private reinsurance market. Risk transfer will suffer as insurers retain risk. Q.3. If it does not become mandatory for insurers to offer NRBC coverage, how would insurers adjust or allocate a loss in the event of a terrorist attack involving both a conventional and unconventional weapon? In the case of, say, a dirty bomb it causes a large amount of physical damage to the building, but only a small amount of radioactive or chemical clean-up. Would insurers look to exclude the entire loss? A.3. Each reinsurance company would makes its decisions based on the relevant law and contract language. Q.4. If industry could understand the long-term probabilities of terrorism occurrences, how could the industry price the risk in a reasonable way that would spread the cost over time? In other words, if the private industry could learn to model and price the risk should insureds be able to expect little to no charge in advance of an event, and enormous charges after, dwindling over time? Is that desirable? A.4. Insurers do not, and generally cannot by law, price coverage to recover past losses. Prices are based on estimates of future events. Improvements in modeling will obviously assist in pricing. Q.5. Granting that TRIA provides insurers some certainty about Federal support and their own retention of risk, whether we have TRIA in place or not, is it not true that a severe terrorist event will end up in the lap of the Federal Government to fund, after the fact, since insurers' equity is insufficient? A.5. It is true that without insurance, the Federal Government likely would decide to pay for the vast majority of recovery after a terrorist event. Through a public-private partnership developed in advance of such an event, the Government creates a viable market wherein the insurance industry can participate up to a certain cap, which allows insurers to maintain solvency in the event of an attack. This ultimately reduces the cost to the Federal Government in the event of an attack because the insurance industry is sharing in the costs. Q.6. Would it not be preferable for all parties to provide for some advance funding of this risk (possibly in combination with other risks to lower the burden of any one on the taxpayers and the society), so the cost could be spread over time, so the uncertainty concerning the consequences be diminished and so that the government would receive some income for its inevitable support? A.6. Current insurance coverage is pre-funded to the extent insureds buy policies covering acts of terrorism. TRIEA provides for post-event funding for any government contribution by requiring insurance companies to pay back the federal government for the reinsurance through post-event assessments on insurance companies. The RAA supports this provision. 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