[Senate Hearing 113-806] [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office] S. Hrg. 113-806 876 SCAM: JAMAICAN PHONE FRAUD TARGETING SENIORS ======================================================================= HEARING BEFORE THE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON AGING UNITED STATES SENATE ONE HUNDRED THIRTEENTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION __________ WASHINGTON, DC __________ WEDNESDAY, MARCH 13, 2013 __________ Serial No. 113-2 Printed for the use of the Special Committee on Aging [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Available via the World Wide Web: http://www.fdsys.gov ______ U.S. GOVERNMENT PUBLISHING OFFICE 81-474 PDF WASHINGTON : 2016 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Publishing Office Internet: bookstore.gpo.gov Phone: toll free (866) 512-1800; DC area (202) 512-1800 Fax: (202) 512-2104 Mail: Stop IDCC, Washington, DC 20402-0001 SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON AGING BILL NELSON, Florida, Chairman RON WYDEN, Oregon SUSAN M. COLLINS, Maine ROBERT P. CASEY JR, Pennsylvania BOB CORKER, Tennessee CLAIRE McCASKILL, Missouri ORRIN HATCH, Utah SHELDON WHITEHOUSE, Rhode Island MARK KIRK, Illinois KIRSTEN E. GILLIBRAND, New York DEAN HELLER, Nevada JOE MANCHIN III, West Virginia JEFF FLAKE, Arizona RICHARD BLUMENTHAL, Connecticut KELLY AYOTTE, New Hampshire TAMMY BALDWIN, Wisconsin TIM SCOTT, South Carolina JOE DONNELLY Indiana TED CRUZ, Texas ELIZABETH WARREN, Massachusetts ---------- Kim Lipsky, Majority Staff Director Priscilla Hanley, Minority Staff Director CONTENTS ---------- Page Opening Statement of Ranking Member Susan M. Collins............. 1 Statement of Chairman Bill Nelson................................ 3 PANEL OF WITNESSES Panel 1 Kim Nichols, Daughter of Jamaican Phone Scam Victim.............. 5 Sonia Ellis, Daughter of Jamaican Phone Scam Victim.............. 16 William L. King, Jr., Chief Deputy, York County, Maine, Sheriff Office......................................................... 23 Robert G. Romasco, President, AARP; Accompanied by Doug Shadel, Washington State Director...................................... 35 Panel 2 Shawn Tiller, Deputy Chief Inspector, U.S. Postal Inspection Service........................................................ 56 Vance R. Callender, Operations Chief for Mexico & Canada, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Homeland Security Investigations, Department of Homeland Security................ 75 Phil Hopkins, Vice President of Global Security, The Western Union Company.................................................. 83 APPENDIX Prepared Witness Statements Kim Nichols, Daughter of Jamaican Phone Scam Victim.............. 9 Sonia Ellis, Daughter of Jamaican Phone Scam Victim.............. 19 William L. King, Jr., Chief Deputy, York County, Maine, Sheriff Office......................................................... 25 Robert G. Romasco, President, AARP; Accompanied by Doug Shadel, Washington State Director...................................... 38 Shawn Tiller, Deputy Chief Inspector, U.S. Postal Inspection Service........................................................ 59 Vance R. Callender, Operations Chief for Mexico & Canada, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Homeland Security Investigations, Department of Homeland Security................ 77 Phil Hopkins, Vice President of Global Security, The Western Union Company.................................................. 85 Letter dated March 4, 2013, from John Ricci to Chairman Nelson... 100 ADDITIONAL STATEMENTS FOR THE RECORD Government of Jamaica Statement to the Special Committee on Aging 106 Statement by the Hon. Peter Bunting M.P., Minister of National Security (Jamaica) on the presentation to Parliament of the Law Reform (fraudulent transactions) (special provisions) Act, 2013 111 The Law Reform (fraudulent transactions) (special provisions) Act 121 The Law Reform (fraudulent transactions) (special provisions) Act, full text................................................. 123 Government of Jamaica Anti-Lottery Scamming Activities Brief 2012-2013...................................................... 137 876-SCAM: JAMAICAN PHONE FRAUD TARGETING SENIORS ---------- WEDNESDAY, MARCH 13, 2013 U.S. Senate, Special Committee on Aging, Washington, DC. The Committee met, pursuant to notice, at 2:14 p.m., in Room 562, Dirksen Senate Office Building, Hon. Bill Nelson, Chairman of the Committee, presiding. Present: Senators Nelson, Blumenthal, Donnelly, Warren, Collins, and Ayotte. Chairman Nelson. The meeting will come to order. I am going to break all tradition and have our Ranking Member give the first opening statement. OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR SUSAN M. COLLINS Senator Collins. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. That is typically gracious of you, and let me start by thanking you for holding this very important hearing. It has been a wonderful partnership that we already have and I think that this hearing is really important. I also want to begin my remarks by thanking all of our witnesses who are here today, not only for appearing before our committee, but also for the assistance that you have provided to us in understanding the scope of the Jamaican phone scam and what could be done to combat it. Two of the witnesses have made the journey from Maine to tell their stories, Kim Nichols, who knows firsthand the heartbreak of this sophisticated scam because her own father fell victim to it, and Chief Deputy Sheriff Bill King from York County, Maine, who is the leading expert in the law enforcement community and has worked nonstop to shut down this scam. I also see in the audience representatives of FairPoint Communications, including the Maine State President, Mike Reed. FairPoint deserves much credit for bringing the Jamaican phone scam to my attention. I also want to salute the company for their efforts to alert the public. But, most of all, I want to thank the Chairman for agreeing to hold this hearing. This committee has a great history of working together in a bipartisan fashion to bring to light the scams and swindles targeting our nation's senior citizens. I suspect that the Jamaican phone scam is one of the worst. To most Americans, Jamaica is a tropical paradise, an island of lush green mountains and white sand beaches set in the clear blue waters of the Caribbean Sea. We have all seen those ads, full of gorgeous scenery and upbeat music, calling Americans to come and feel the spirit of Jamaica. Millions of Americans have accepted that call, including 1.2 million last year alone. These tourists spend billions of dollars annually, money that is critical to the Jamaican economy, in pursuit of their dream vacations. But beneath the Jamaica of those enticing ads and the tourist dreams lurks another Jamaica, one that brings nightmares to elderly Americans targeted by Jamaican criminals intent on swindling them out of their life savings. Every day, sophisticated Jamaican con artists place an estimated 30,000 phone calls to the United States in pursuit of their elderly victims. The swindle usually goes like this. The scammer calls to tell the victim that he or she has just won millions in a lottery or a sweepstakes or a brand new car and all they have to do is to wire a few hundred dollars in up-front processing fees or taxes and their winnings will be delivered. Often, the criminals will tell their elderly victims not to share the good news with anyone so that it will come as a surprise when the family finds out. Well, of course, no such winnings are ever delivered because no such winnings exist. The elderly winners get nothing but more phone calls, sometimes 50 to 100 calls per day, from scammers demanding more and more money. Behind those calls is an organized and sophisticated criminal enterprise overseeing boiler room operations in Jamaica. Indeed, the money scammed from the victims helps to fund organized crime in that island nation. Criminals once involved in narco-trafficking have found that these phone scams are both more lucrative and safer. Expensive lead lists identify potential victims. Satellite maps are used to locate and describe their homes to make it appear that the caller is familiar with the community. Elaborate networks for the transfer of funds are established to evade the anti-fraud systems of financial institutions. To keep the money coming in ever-increasing amounts, oftentimes, the impostors adopt a variety of identities. Some spend hours on the phone convincing the seniors that they truly care for them, that, indeed, they are in love with them. Victims who resist their entreaties begin receiving calls from Jamaicans posing as American government officials, including local law enforcement, the FBI, the Social Security Administration, and the Department of Homeland Security. They ask for personal data and bank account numbers so that they can solve the crime. These Jamaican scammers are masters of manipulation, playing to their victims' fears and emotions until they have drained them of every dime. Some of my own constituents have lost more than $100,000 to these scams. Others have lost their homes, their cars, their financial independence, not to mention their security and their dignity. Even then, the con artists continue to pursue their prey with a heartlessness that is difficult, if not impossible, to comprehend. Just listen to this actual recording of a Jamaican phone scammer and an elderly Maine victim available to us courtesy of FairPoint Communications. [An audio recording was played.] That is what we are talking about. That is how bad this scam is. That is how heartless the perpetrators are. And that is just one phone call to one victim. It is the tiniest tip of a giant iceberg that ought to scandalize the people of Jamaica. Incredibly, though, some in Jamaica embrace this scamming culture and even celebrate it. Last year, two of Jamaica's leading rap artists released a song with lyrics saying that the scammers are stars and the money they steal is reparations. The new government in Jamaica has finally passed some new laws targeting the scammers, but I am deeply troubled that it has taken Jamaica so long--years--before getting serious about this problem. For far too long, Jamaican authorities turned a blind eye to this fraud, which was illegally bringing an estimated $300 million annually to their economy. I am also troubled by the lack of an aggressive and coordinated effort on the part of U.S. Federal law enforcement officials to protect our nation's most vulnerable senior citizens. Our parents and grandparents worked hard their entire lives and saved for retirement. They should not be targeted by criminals who want to rob them of their hard-earned savings. While I believe that our Senate hearings will increase public awareness of these schemes, it is also critical that governments at all levels and across international boundaries work together to shut down these con artists before their sophisticated scams exploit yet another trusting senior citizen. Again, Mr. Chairman, I want to thank you so much for holding this important hearing. OPENING STATEMENT OF SENATOR BILL NELSON, CHAIRMAN Chairman Nelson. Well, there you have it. That is an excellent summary. I participated in one of those conversations yesterday and heard the relentless schmoozing that went on, and then the schmoozing turned into aggressiveness, and that is what happens to vulnerable seniors. I have talked to the Jamaican Ambassador. One of the things that we want to do--and I will be visiting with the Attorney General--we want to see somebody indicted, and then, when I pressed the Jamaican Ambassador, we want to see them extradited to the United States. That will have a chilling effect on a number of these people who think that they are bulletproof. What Senator Collins said is true, and this is just one type of scam. Often, we find where scams are going on, the street crime actually goes down. The drug trade actually goes down. We had a similar--another type of scam, not necessarily targeted at seniors, that was in Tampa and Miami, stealing people's identity and filing false income tax returns to get the income tax refunds. The local police department said, it is incredible how all the B&Es went way down, the other street crimes, because they had found that they can use a laptop instead of a crowbar. Here, we have the use of technology, getting these lists so that they have a target list of calling vulnerable seniors and then preying on that vulnerability. There is an obligation in society that we have to take care of the young and the old and we have the responsibility here in this committee to elevate this issue and to try to do something about it. Now, there are an increasing number of complaints that are coming to the fore. This is just going to increase. No telling how many billions of dollars. The FTC believes that up to 90 percent of the scams are never reported because the victims are embarrassed or they are afraid. And so these tragic stories that you will hear today--you will hear stories like Stuart Childers, a Central Florida resident whose mother ended up on an FBI watch list for money laundering because she wired nearly $300,000 over an 18-month period in an attempt to claim her prize. That is so sad. And Neal Hines of Gainesville, his father lost $100,000 in an effort to receive what was reported to be the prize. They use the same number, Senator Collins, two-and-a-half million dollars. That is what happened to the constituent in Gainesville. That is what happened on this call that I participated in yesterday. Last week, in Miami, I talked to a financial planner, David Treece. He had to sue his own client in order to get a guardianship that could stand in the place of her because she was so vulnerable to this attack after she had already spent $400,000 in fees in Jamaica, and she had been seduced to think she was going to get $7 million of winnings. And we have on the panel Sonia Ellis to tell about her mother, a Siesta Key resident, who lost over $64,000 to these fraudsters. And so what makes these lottery scams different from other fraudulent schemes that are targeting the elderly? Well, they target the most vulnerable and then they are relentless. You should have heard on the phone yesterday. I am sitting there participating in this call. The call is hung up and the phone is ringing again, and again, and again. One elderly victim was called 59 times in a single day by the same scammer. But the harassment does not stop there. These are con artists. They threaten. Susan told you about posing as law enforcement, in one case, even posing as the FBI. By the way, there is an indictable crime right there, and I will be visiting with the Attorney General about that. And so this kind of sophisticated scam needs to be put out into the open and we need to see if we cannot limit it. So we have got this Joint Task Force that is going on. We want to go beyond that Jamaican-U.S. Task Force, and we will hear about that today. So we have got this star-studded panel. First, we are going to hear from Kim Nichols. She will share the story of her father, a retired airline pilot from New Hampshire. Then we are going to hear from Sonia Ellis. She is going to share the story of her mother, who sent many thousands of dollars to the fraudsters. We are going to hear from the sheriff, Sheriff King from York County, Maine. He spent 26 years in Federal law enforcement. He has become an expert on the Jamaican lottery scam and he has been on dozens of cases. And then we are going to hear from Robert Romasco, President of AARP. He served on the board since 2006 and he is accompanied by Doug Shadel. Dr. Shadel is the State Director of Washington's AARP and is a leading expert. So, Ms. Nichols, let us start with you. And, each of you, your full statements are put in the record. If you will give us about five minutes, we are going to go right on down the line, and then we will open it up to questions. Ms. Nichols. STATEMENT OF KIM NICHOLS, DAUGHTER OF JAMAICAN PHONE SCAM VICTIM Ms. Nichols. Good afternoon, and thank you, members of the Senate Committee on Aging, Chairman Nelson, and Senator Collins, for making it possible for me to be here today to tell my dad's story. My name is Kim Nichols and I am from Maine. I am a mother of twin 14-year-old boys. I am the wife of a military pilot. And I am the daughter to my father, Bill, from New Hampshire, who I never thought I would tell you was a victim of a scam. But I sit here today and he is a victim. He is a retired Navy and commercial airline pilot who lost over $85,000 to the Jamaican lottery scam. It began with a phone call from an 876 area code and ended with a pair of scissors and two police officers standing in his living room. If you think that sounds crazy, it is because it is. For my dad, he received a call from someone saying they were from Publishers Clearinghouse, the promise of a new car and a large amount of money, and the chance to help the people that he loved. All he had to do was send a $500 transfer fee. The one scammer quickly became more: The reassuring people from the Lottery Commissioner's Board, Better Business Bureau representatives, Customs agents, IRS, and FBI agents who provided local job descriptions and even badge numbers. Of course, there was Diane, the secretary, who was the company secretary from MegaBuck who was supposed to be the one, the company that handled the prizes. She spent lots of time getting to know my dad on the phone, getting him to trust her and taking advantage of his kind and generous nature. Her phone calls would reassure him in between all the phone calls that came from the other male callers, who pressured, harassed, yelled at, and scared my dad into sending checks to various people all over the country. They instructed him to withdraw cash and purchase GreenDot cards from the local Wal-Mart. He would load the cards with cash and then call into a phone number and scratch the PIN number off the back and read the card, or the PIN number for them to access the money. I found $40,000 worth of GreenDot cards so far. They would yell at him while he was on the phone standing in the bank in line, on his cell phone, as one of the bank managers told me later. She said, he would be shaking so violently from head to toe, he could barely fill out the withdrawal slip. The cash would then be sent to a scammer or another victim who was unwittingly becoming an accomplice in the scam. We knew nothing of it as first, as the scammers convinced my dad to keep it a secret, as Susan Collins said, and let it be a surprise. I knew at one point that he had gotten a phone call and a promise of a car, but he reassured me that he had gotten his deposit check of $500 back. I did not know how bad it was until in April, when he was supposed to have some surgery. I was getting ready to go down to take him to the hospital, and two days before I got there, his phone number had been changed. I could not reach him. He called, horrified that his phone number had been changed without his knowledge. I called FairPoint Communications, who handles his phone service, and they explained to me that this is how the scam works. I remember thinking it could not be as bad as they possibly said that it was until I got down there, and after we got him home from the hospital. His phone would ring off the hook with him. They would be harassing and yelling at him. He was begging and pleading with them that he was in pain, he had just had surgery, and he could not possibly drive anywhere to go get the money to send them. I begged and pleaded with him not to talk to them anymore or to Diane. He said to them that he only wanted to talk to Diane and he told me that she was not like them. He trusted her. He would end his phone call saying, ``I love you,'' not in a romantic way but more of a companionship way, because he lived alone. They seemed to have a strange hold on him. It was not really my dad anymore. It almost seemed like he was brainwashed. Chairman Nelson. Mm-hmm. Ms. Nichols. I left without being able to help him at that point, and I could not get him to promise that he would stop talking to them, and especially Diane, and I really did not know how much money he had lost. In late May, at my sister's wedding in Cape Cod, I saw how awful my dad looked. He had lost 20 pounds since I saw him in April. He was still yelling at people on his cell phone. He was barely eating, and he was very confused. I ended up at his house in New Hampshire and collected everything I could find having to do with the scam--the GreenDot cards, the mail receipts, the letters that they had written to him trying to get him to make good on checks that they supposedly never received. I found lots of pieces of paper with names and numbers and addresses scrawled on them. A scammer from Jamaica contacted FairPoint and tried once again to have his phone number changed. He impersonated my dad, and FairPoint was able to route that call to Chief Deputy Bill King's office, and they recorded it. The scammer was posing as my dad. He had his Social Security number and his personal information, his date of birth, to try to isolate him further. Just like Senator Collins said, they stop at nothing. I filed a self-neglect report on my dad with DHHS because I was afraid we would have to try to get conservancy, but I was told from lawyers that it would take months to do that. So I ended up having to call the police on my father. He refused--I wanted him to come to Maine, but he refused to leave. I called the police and asked them to come help me convince him to go. As he reached--he decided he wanted to try to call Diane one more time, and I begged him not to. As he reached to plug the phone in, because he had it unplugged at that time because his phone was ringing between 85 to 100 times a day--he reached to try to plug the phone back in and I cut it with a pair of scissors. And then the police showed up and told my dad that he needed to either come and go get in the car with me and come to Bangor, Maine, or they would take him to the hospital to have a psychiatric evaluation done. That is how we got it to stop then. He decided to come with me, and at my kitchen table that night, we added up all of the receipts and went through all the paperwork. I handed my dad a calculator and he added up his lost amount, $85,000. He was stunned and silent. He really had no idea how much he had sent. We had an intervention the next day with the only people that gave me any help at the time, FairPoint Communications security team and Chief Deputy Bill King of the York County, Maine Sheriff's Office. Even with that, the next day, my dad--I brought him home and he picked up the phone and called Diane and told her that if this was real, she would meet him at the post office with a check at noon. He went and waited and waited and then nothing. He returned home and called FairPoint with the final phone number, the contact information for Diane. Since then, my dad has lost two Social Security checks. They have called the local police department and the Post Office, trying to pose as a nephew trying to get back in touch with my dad. They are arrogant and they are clearly--they clearly know that they can continue without consequence. Throughout those six months, I made over 100 phone calls trying to get help from local police to Postal Inspectors. I called the FTC. I called the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Office. I called the IRS and the FBI and the Attorney General's Office. The responses were always the same. I got diverted to a prevention Web site or was told, ``We do not handle those cases. We do not have jurisdiction in Jamaica,'' or ``There are just too many of them,'' and ``Just get your dad to stop sending the money,'' or ``Tell him to hang up the phone.'' No one would help. It was incredibly lonely, watching my dad's life and everything he saved for unravel right before my eyes. I could not find anyone to help except his phone company and a Maine Sheriff's officer. That just seemed ridiculous to me. This is not just a typical scam and it is not only the responsibility of the Jamaican government. It is our responsibility. Someone besides the phone company has to take this on. We have to investigate, prosecute, extradite, and be there for the victims and their families. Please do something, I beg you. You have no idea how horrible this is. Sonia and I understand, because we have been under that roof, and we understand. We have seen it and we have lived it and we know exactly how that feels. I am speaking on behalf of the thousands of people whose lives are ruined by this. These are our parents and our grandparents. We would never let this happen to our children. They are vulnerable and they need our help. I pray that you will not just give this lip service today. And please know that this has been going on unchecked for years. Nothing has been done on the ground and on the Federal level for the victims and their families to stop this or to help them. That is why I am here. On behalf of my family, thank you for taking the time to hear my testimony and for giving this the careful consideration and action that this deserves. Thank you. [The prepared statement of Ms. Nichols follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Chairman Nelson. And we are going to do everything in our power to make sure that there is action. And, unfortunately, a similar story from Ms. Ellis. STATEMENT OF SONIA ELLIS, DAUGHTER OF JAMAICAN PHONE SCAM VICTIM Ms. Ellis. Good afternoon. I would like to thank Chairman Nelson, Ranking Member Collins, and the Senate Special Committee on Aging for inviting me to speak at your hearing on Jamaican lottery scams. It is a privilege to be here. My mother's story began on December the 8th, 2008, when she was randomly called and told she had won $4.5 million in a Las Vegas lottery. My mother was very excited, and she told her friends, who told her it was a scam. Luckily, they reported it to the property manager of where she lives. The next day, my mother sent $300 via Western Union. Over the next 13 days, my mother sent $25,500. I was made aware of this by the manager at Peppertree. I tried to stop a $3,000 transfer to Indiana, but could not, from the Bank of America. The largest amount my mother ever sent was $19,500. However, I was able to get this back. From January the 5th to the 17th, 2009, my mother sent away another $10,850. I realized then that my mother was going to keep sending money, regardless of who spoke to her, so I flew down to Florida--I live near Toronto--on January 31, 2009. While staying with my mother, she continued to talk to the fraudsters. One day, she went to the bank, and she withdrew $8,000 from Bank of America, then deposited it into her Wachovia account. The bank manager saw her leave with all this cash and became very worried about her safety, so followed her to the Bank of Wachovia. I happened to be at the Peppertree office, and we got the call from the bank manager to the property manager saying, ``Mrs. Goodwin has gone with $8,000 cash,'' and so I was taken to Wachovia Bank. There, I met her in the bank manager's office, and she had just deposited the $8,000 and then was proceeding to try and transfer that money. I then realized that I must take action, so I called the guardianship lawyer, and I set up an emergency--and I met him the next day--sorry--and he set up an emergency court hearing for a few days later, and the $8,000, I had prevented that from being sent. I delayed my return to Canada so I could attend an emergency Sarasota court hearing. I presented evidence of my mother's involvement of the Jamaican scam and was granted a temporary 30-day guardianship. My mother was assigned a lawyer, but she refused to see him, so did not attend the hearing. The final financial guardianship was approved on March the 13th, 2009, four years ago today. My mother had previously revoked my Power of Attorney. Therefore, a legal guardianship, U.S. guardianship, was the only option I had to gain control over her financial affairs. The guardianship helped my mother send the very large amounts of monies that she had just been sending [sic]. The Jamaican fraudsters are extremely convincing, as Kim said and as you have seen on videos. One calling himself John Kent talked to my mother several times a day for at least three years. My mother looked forward to his calls and felt a very special bond with him, and I would say that she felt she loved him. She even told him she looked forward to meeting him. These ruthless people would call my mother and tell her to expect calls at nine o'clock in the morning and four o'clock in the afternoon. So she delayed going out, or if she did go out in the afternoon, she would say to her friends, ``I have to come back because I have a very important call,'' and this went on for years. My mother stayed at home too--I said. Okay. The fraudsters isolated my mother this way, which is very common. They also coached my mother into believing, of course, that it was because of the guardianship that I had taken--and, of course, I was not in her good books--for not receiving the millions, and there were so many lies. There have been many difficult conversations, and I would not even want to tell you what we said over those times, but they were very, very difficult and hard to take. It took me until April 2009 before I could get control of my mother's Canadian bank accounts, as they would not recognize the U.S. guardianship. As a result of this, my mother was able to send money to the fraudsters. Before returning to Canada, my mother gave the fraudsters her Canadian number because she was really determined to get her millions. If they did not call when she expected them to call, she would call them in Jamaica, and one monthly bill totaled $450. From December 2008 to July 2012, I estimate my mother tried to give--tried to give away--$92,000, but estimate the actual amount was $64,500 because I got some of that little bit of money back and was able to stop the transfer. So I estimate that. But then, even though I had the guardianship in place, I estimate that between February 2009 and July of last year, she was still able to send $47,000 away, and this happened because it was difficult to get the telephone companies, both in Canada and the U.S., to block calls from certain companies and certain area codes, because the only way I could block international calls was to block all international calls, and, of course, she was calling me in Canada and vice-versa, and so--and England. You know, we are English. She was also able to draw money from her bank accounts even though they had a limit on them, and so this was a very difficult situation. I would call the banks. I would say, ``How can this happen?'' Well, because she was in good standing with the bank over many, many years, the bank account was allowed to be overdrawn. I eventually had to stop her checking account and give her only a savings account, which could not be overdrawn. So I would put $100 in. She would take it out. I would put another $100 in so she could have money to spend. Another thing that she was able to spend money on was she was able to withdraw cash on her canceled Visa card, and this happened for a few months. And then, in the meantime, unbeknownst to me, she was actually sent a new Visa card, and so she all of a sudden had access to another Visa card, which I was not aware of. So, as you can appreciate, I found the last four-and-a-half years very difficult. I have contacted, like Kim, all those people she mentioned and anybody that I felt could give me any help. It was very difficult. I often gleaned a lot of information from her friends, who she did not realize I was talking to, and I would try and get the information from them, because my mother would continue to tell me she was not sending any money, although I had evidence, because I had control of her bank accounts. So I guess, finally, the last thing I would like to bring to your attention is to the impact and stress that my mother's involvement with the Jamaican lottery scam has had on our family. This situation has impacted not only my mother and myself, but my mother and her family and my mother and her grandchildren. Unless you have ever had to deal with this type of situation, you cannot imagine how hard it is to watch your loved one fall victim to the cruelty of these unknown individuals who really do not appear--as we know, they do not have any remorse for taking advantage of society's most vulnerable people. For the four years, I watched my mother willingly give away part of her life's savings and be convinced that those who have the love for her the most want nothing more than to love and to protect her, and this has just continued. To this day, I would say that my mother still really believes that if it was not for me and the guardianship, she would have her money, her millions. So the $4.5 million was the first check. The next one, I think, was maybe $17.5 million. I think there were three times, and three separate groups of people. And as we know, they get on the sucker list. Once Mr. John Kent stopped with her, then you would have another person picking up the pieces and trying to get a little bit of money, and so she was able to send small amounts of $100 and $500. Eventually, I had to even get Publix cards so she would not have too much cash, but she could not say she did not have any money for food. So, anyway. And I guess that is about it, then. Thank you for listening and being interested in my mother's story, and I am really happy to be part of this and hope that my mother's story and my continual involvement in this will help. I am going to certainly be communicating a lot of this with my Canadian friends and seeing what I can do. As my friends said, ``You are a crusader, Sonia, so carry on with the show.'' I will do my best. Thank you very much. [The prepared statement of Ms. Ellis follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Chairman Nelson. Thank you. Dan Rather is airing a piece where he has interviewed some of these fraudsters, and he says they act with the ultimate of arrogance. They laugh at their victims. And they laugh as they say that they will never be brought to justice. I discussed that with the Ambassador from Jamaica yesterday and he confirmed. Okay, Sheriff, tell us how you intersected with all of this. Tell us what you did. STATEMENT OF WILLIAM L. KING, JR., CHIEF DEPUTY SHERIFF, YORK COUNTY, MAINE, SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT Mr. King. Certainly. Thank you. In late August 2011, the Sheriff's Office received a complaint of an elderly woman in our community who had paid $100,000 in fees to collect a lottery. This case introduced us to the complex world of the Jamaican lottery scams. We found several criminals working in unison, using various techniques like friendship, religion, romance, and threats, with the sole purpose of separating her from her life savings. We traced the payments and found that most were made to people in the United States, some of whom were victims themselves and became unwitting facilitators of the crime, and others were complicit. Ultimately, we identified six people in Jamaica who received her money. One of those scammers was returned to Jamaica after serving time in Minnesota State Prison for murder. Each case we have encountered was similarly complex. It is easy to dismiss this crime because most people would not fall for it. Some question even if it rates as a crime at all, because people are willingly giving away their money. Others mock the victims for falling for it. I am told cognitive reasoning ability diminishes with age. I met a retired businessman who graduated from Yale who was actively involved in the scam. He lost his life savings and his house, but still waits every day for the oversize check and the balloons attached to a brand new BMW to appear while his wife lives in despair. Years ago, United States telemarketing companies set up shop in Jamaica to take advantage of the inexpensive labor rate. They conducted training sessions, teaching Jamaicans how to make cold calls, establish rapport, keep the person on the telephone, overcome objections, and create a fantasy. The newly trained telemarketers found fertile territory with seniors who grew up in a time when it was impolite to hang up on a caller. That, coupled with a national crackdown on drugs by Jamaican authorities, steered many criminal gangs toward lottery scamming. Also, the young Jamaican culture justifies scamming as reparations from the United States for perceived past misdeeds. The scam is convincing. When a wealthy doctor was skeptical after receiving a call, the scammer directed him to a Web site where he found his name blinking beside an unclaimed $2.5 million lottery prize. And the fees seem plausible. Prepaid taxes, processing fees, lawyer fees are the most common examples. Embarrassment is the scammer's greatest ally because it silences victims. Some scammers profess love for the victims to ensure the money keeps coming. A widow in Maine handed over $600,000 to a scammer who we believe feigned a romantic interest. During my research, I found a headline that read, ``The Sun May Be Setting on the Jamaican Lottery Scams.'' The article quoted an ICE agent who stated he had cases from Hawaii to Maine and estimated the losses at $30 million. The article reported that U.S. authorities are now involved and would put a stop to the scamming. That article was published in May 2009. Today, the estimates of losses are tenfold, $300,000 [sic], and the sun does not seem to be setting on the scams. In a seven-month period of time, FairPoint Communications, our local telephone provider, identified 186 victims. A local news station did a three-part series on the scams. The last day of the series allowed viewers to call in to report scams. We received 38 calls during the 30-minute segment. Unfortunately, 105 calls went unanswered at the end of the show because they were terminated. FairPoint organized news conferences, shot a Public Service Announcement, launched a Web site that provides information. As a result of Web site contacts, I have spoken to dozens of victims and their families from approximately 20 different States. All feel abandoned by law enforcement. We cannot place the blame of this scourge solely on Jamaica's doorstep. Yes, the scams originate from Jamaica, but there are hundreds, if not thousands, of facilities operating and profiting within our own borders. And this is not just a financial crime. The stress caused by the scam accelerates a victim's demise. I recently tried to contact some victims and was saddened to find that two had passed away, while others who were vibrant before the exploitation are now experiencing medical issues impeding their quality of life. And this will continue until these cases are investigated here and in Jamaica and laws are enforced and our extradition treaty is applied. I fear that when the national spotlight is off, the status quo will return, and the victims will continue to go unprotected. And I want to thank FairPoint for their continued support, the Stephen and Tabitha King Foundation, who have donated money toward this effort, and also the many store and banking employees who have thwarted scamming before it actually started by contacting family members of potential victims. One of those victims happens to be my father, who was trying to send money to keep my son out of jail. My son was safe in Florida. And thank you, Chairman Nelson and Senator Collins and the rest of the committee for having this hearing today. [The prepared statement of Mr. King follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Chairman Nelson. Thanks, Sheriff. Okay. The AARP is trying to do something about it. They have sent with the U.S. Postal Service this kind of flyer out. It says, ``If you have to send $250 to claim your prize, odds are it is a scam. Don't risk it.'' And we send out notices. They send out notices. The U.S. Postal Service is trying to get the word out. Do not answer the phone. When you answer the phone, hang up. But you have just heard the stories. Okay, Mr. Romasco. You are the head of the AARP. What do you think we ought to do? STATEMENT OF ROBERT G. ROMASCO, PRESIDENT, AARP; ACCOMPANIED BY DOUG SHADEL, WASHINGTON STATE DIRECTOR Mr. Romasco. Chairman Nelson, Ranking Member Collins, Senators Donnelly and Warren, thank you very much for having us here today, and most importantly, thank you for raising the profile of this heinous operation. As Senator Nelson indicated, my name is Rob Romasco, and I am the President of AARP. We have been involved in this issue of financial exploitation of our older population for years. AARP and the AARP Foundation has been deeply involved in fraud prevention dating back to the mid-1990s. Since 2003, AARP and its research partners have completed five studies of lottery fraud victims. The most recent effort was in 2011, the National Victim Profiling Study, that surveyed 1,500 consumers from the general public and 700 fraud victims. This study showed that while consumer fraud can happen to anyone, some people are more likely to be taken in than others. Lottery fraud victims, for example, are more likely to be women who are over the age of 70, divorced or widowed, have less formal education, less income, and they may have more cognitive impairment than others their age. From a behavioral standpoint, our research has shown that lottery fraud victims are more likely to listen to sales pitches over the phone from unknown callers, read advertising solicitations that come through the mail and e-mail and are less likely to be signed up for the National Do Not Call List. AARP and its research partners have pursued three research questions. First, what persuasion tactics are used by these criminals to successfully scam the victims? Second, what is going on psychologically with victims that makes them vulnerable? And, third, is cognitive impairment a factor in fraud victimization? The research shows that specific persuasion tactics have been most frequently used, and we have heard dramatic testimony today that underscores that. They offer enormous wealth, using scarcity to create urgency, and fear to frighten the victims. And, as we have seen with the Jamaican lottery scam, fear has been used over and over again to literally scare older victims into handing over their money. AARP and Stanford have pursued research that tested the application of positivity theory to fraud. Positivity theory says that as we age, we tend to focus on the positive events and ignore the negative events as a coping strategy. We also looked at cognitive impairment, and again, it is no secret that as we age, some of us experience diminished cognitive capacity. In 2009, AARP hired skilled geriatric social workers to go into the homes of lottery victims and give them a series of cognitive tests. Close to 80 percent were found to have some cognitive loss, which is a much higher rate than others of the same age. I want to emphasize, Mr. Chairman, that all three of these areas of research are in the early stages, and much more needs to be done to definitively determine why older people fall prey to fraud. While it is true that anyone can be taken in by this scam, profiling research has taught us that some people are more likely to be taken in than others. These profiles enable fraud prevention practitioners to direct information to those being targeted by the con artists. You have heard today; these are very sophisticated operations. This is not a one-off. They use computer technology, lists, and all the technology of direct marketing and contacts and persuasion. One example, however, is we have set up Fraud Fighter Call Centers operated by the AARP Foundation. There are currently centers in Seattle, Denver, and Charleston, West Virginia. In each center, older volunteers offer support, peer counseling, and referral information to individuals who have been victimized or who meet the profile of the vulnerable consumer. There have been two major studies of this program. The most recent was done in 2010 by Stanford University. The subjects of that study were lottery victims like those we have been discussing today. The researchers found that victims who have been counseled by Fraud Fighter volunteers were significantly more likely to resist future fraud attempts compared to those who did not have the counseling. Mr. Chairman, the impact of AARP's prevention and counseling efforts would be greatly enhanced with increased funding and access to those lead lists the scammers have put together and law enforcement has been confiscating. Criminals are most successful targeting the most vulnerable when they use what is commonly known as these lead or target lists. The most vulnerable category of individuals are those who have been previously victimized and/or who have been targeted by scammers. We could dramatically increase our impact on this problem if we could reach 200,000 of the most vulnerable population by accessing the lists that the law enforcement agencies have been seizing. Also very promising is our recent partnership with the United States Postal Inspection Service, which sends out millions of foreign lottery fraud warnings to older persons across the country. This month, the month of March, the Postal Service and AARP have launched an effort to warn millions of older Americans about foreign lottery fraud. The Postal Service is mailing 25 million postcards to Americans age 45 to 65. These cards have the AARP logo and the U.S. Postal Inspection Service logo on them. In addition, brochures will be in every one of 33,000 Post Offices around the country, and several television PSAs will air on the topic throughout the month of March. Also, our Foundation's Fraud Fighter Call Center's phone number is on every card being mailed in Washington State as a pilot project. Already, thousands of caregivers and victims who have been targeted by fraud are calling in. And, finally, even AARP has had to contend with this misrepresentation and exploitation. In Maine, our State office received information from local law enforcement concerning fraudulent telephone calls being made to residents by people claiming to be our representatives. What they were trying to do was use the AARP as a representation of getting Social Security information, which they could then toss into the mix. Our Maine State Office responded with a full press blitz, warning residents who received telephone calls from someone claiming to be from AARP or any other entity that asked for sensitive information they should contact their local police department immediately to report the incident. Would they be so lucky to get Sheriff King's department as somebody to partner. In conclusion, consumer fraud has been and continues to be a significant problem. A study a couple years ago estimated the number is approaching $3 billion. Intervention, prevention, and tough enforcement at both the Federal, State, and local level are needed to combat these ruthless--I will not use the word ``con artists,'' they are just criminals. Our belief is, after a lifetime of doing all the right things to prepare for a comfortable and dignified retirement, too many older Americans are having their retirement security threatened by these financial predators. AARP will continue to work with all partners, Congress, and across all levels of law enforcement, to inform Americans about these scams and to prevent more tragedies like the ones that have been shared with us here today. Thank you very much. [The prepared statement of Mr. Romasco follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Chairman Nelson. Mr. Romasco, to what degree do you think that the prepaid money cards--this is one example, it is a money pack. You load money onto it and then you can transfer the money by the PIN number. To what degree do they have a responsibility, in your opinion--speaking for AARP--to help crack down on this scam? Mr. Romasco. Senator, I think that we have to look at the entire financial system. I think these are participants, and we heard the names of respected--the Visa card, the whole credit card industry, bank wire transfers, every vehicle. These guys will use any vehicle to get money. So I would not limit myself to prepaid cards. They have an equal responsibility, but I look at the whole financial money system. This is money laundering. This is fraud. And these guys understand the rules and they get the money. So I think each one of these organizations should be required to cooperate and be transparent to any investigation that we would launch. Chairman Nelson. In the case of some other scams, it is hard to find some of the criminals because of the money loaded onto the prepaid card--for example, the IRS tax refund--and it is hard to go after the criminal because there are no identities there. Mr. Romasco. Mm-hmm. Chairman Nelson. Okay. Senator Collins. Senator Collins. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Sheriff King, I was struck by the experience of Ms. Nichols and Ms. Ellis in trying to get help. Ms. Nichols talked about making dozens of phone calls to the State Attorney General's Office, to the FBI, to the Postal Inspector, just over and over again, trying to find help, until FairPoint and you both came to the rescue. So that raises questions in my mind about the effectiveness of Federal, State, and local law enforcement's efforts to shut down these scams. I totally agree with our Chairman that the best thing we could do would be to extradite some of those criminals from Jamaica and prosecute them here in American courts. But short of that--and we will be pushing on that front, I can assure you--could you give us your analysis of the effort at the Federal level, because that is what we have jurisdiction over, to shut down these scams. And in particular, I would be interested in your evaluation of Project JOLT, which is the law enforcement task force at the Federal level. Mr. King. What I found in the Federal level is a culture of indifference. I have not found a lot of interest in doing these scams and doing these cases. Back in August 2011, we knew--we investigated this and I could not get any Federal agency to help me. As recent as January, a couple of months ago, we had another case that came in from Aroostook County, and the Aroostook County detective called me because the Aroostook County victim was sending money to a person in Lebanon, Maine, in Southern Maine, and that person was a past victim who was facilitating the scam, sending the money to Jamaica. And it just so happened that that victim in Lebanon, who was the facilitator, developed a friendship with the scammer and she had sent things to him. So we had a real address and we actually had a true name of the scammer. So I immediately contacted JOLT and said, ``Let us get on this,'' and I even used one of my contacts that I met in Jamaica when I went to a conference just to ascertain, is that address a true address. So I had a true name and I had a true address and the only response I got from JOLT was, ``Are you working with any Federal agencies?'' No. No. None want to do this. But, please, we can take care of this. My idea was to send a watch or something--she had sent him jewelry before--and put some scam money in it and watch it go in. They were not--I did not receive any response. My e-mails went unanswered. A couple weeks later, a news station went and they interviewed this woman and said, ``Gee, tell the scammer that you have a girlfriend coming to town.'' They did, and they met the scammer in a cafe, and it was featured last night on World News. So these cases are complicated, but they are not that complicated. What we need to do is put our egos aside and work on these cases. Federal, local, county agencies can all work together and we can get these cases solved, and I think you and Chairman Nelson are absolutely right. Extradite a couple of these criminals and we will send a very clear message that we mean business. Senator Collins. It is extraordinary to me that here you had a case all developed. You are delivering it on a silver platter to the officials. And yet, still no action was taken. I can assure you that the Chairman and I are going to pursue this vigorously. This is just wrong, and we will show a chart later in the hearing that shows the number of these cases has just exploded, which is what happens when there is no prosecution, when there is no penalty that is being paid by these scammers. Dr. Shadel, I understand that you are the coauthor of two critical studies on fraud and that you found that the con artists rely on three techniques in particular. Could you just briefly explain to the committee the three techniques, because that might help alert families and victims of what to be aware of. Mr. Shadel. Yes. Thank you, Senator Collins. Well, the first one you have heard described here, which is--we call it phantom wealth dangling. A phantom is something that you want, but you cannot have, and all con artists do this. The Jamaicans do it, as well. So that is what the $8.1 million lottery winnings, or $2.5 million is. And what happens, when we interview these con men, they say, what we are trying to do is get people under the ether. Ether is a heightened emotional state where you get so excited about this phantom wealth that you stop thinking rationally and you are just thinking in terms of, all I can think about is what this will buy, what it will do for my family. So I would say the first one is dangling that phantom wealth. The second one is really about just urgency, getting people to act quickly. If you do not spend $2,000 for the taxes now, someone else will get the winnings. That is just a strategy for getting people to move. But it is all designed to get people into this heightened emotional state, and the heightened emotional state explains why retired physicians, doctors, lawyers can do this, because they are not engaged--their cognitive capacity is not engaged. It is being bypassed because they are in this ether. And the final one, which we have seen done most with the Jamaicans, is just plain fear, people threatening to--you know, ``Do you want me to come and burn your house down?'' which we saw on the news the other day. And that is what makes this Jamaican scam different than other scams we have investigated before, is just the relentlessness of it, just calling hundreds of times. Most con artists will follow the path of least resistance. If you say no, they will move on because there is always somebody else. Not with the Jamaicans. Senator Collins. Thank you. Mr. Chairman, I would note that these criminals from Jamaica are so brazen that they have actually called Sheriff King, too, when they have been in search of a victim that they lost contact with. It is just extraordinary, how brazen they are. Thank you very much. Chairman Nelson. They have called me with the answer on the phone, ``Senate Aging Committee.'' Indeed. Okay. Senator Warren. Senator Warren. Thank you very much. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, and thank you, Ranking Member Collins, for holding this hearing. It is so important, what you bring out here. And I want to thank every one of you for showing up. I also want to thank Senator Collins, in particular. We hear down in Massachusetts about the education programs that you have run on this and trying to help warn people and we are trying to learn from it. I want a chance to publicly acknowledge the Massachusetts Association of Retired Federal Employees. We are about to send a mailing from our office, a warning from our office. They are going to send out a mailing to 10,000 of their members about this. We are trying to learn what we can to try to be helpful on the educational front, and I am grateful for every idea here. I want to say, this has been covered some in the Massachusetts papers. We have been trying to follow this. And I read a piece in a Massachusetts paper reporting that the Federal Bureau of Investigation will not get involved in a fraud unless there is more than a million dollars at stake. I have not been able to verify this, but I would just like to know, Sheriff King, have you heard anything about this and do you have any comment on that? Mr. King. No, I do not know about that. I know they have oftentimes high-dollar figures, that they only want to work on the most impactful crimes. But I have just not--I have gone to the FBI. I just have not--it just seems to be that culture of indifference that they do not want to work on these types of cases. Senator Warren. Well, I am really struck, too, particularly in this case, because, Ms. Nichols, I think you were saying, and I think you were, too, Ms. Ellis, it does not start at $100,000 or $600,000. It starts--how much, Ms. Nichols? Ms. Nichols. Five hundred, in the case of my dad. Senator Warren. That is right, which sounds too small for Federal involvement. I very much take the point around this that perhaps our Federal agencies need to rethink how they evaluate this sort of stepped-in scam that can involve thousands of dollars, hundreds of thousands of dollars, and the independence of an individual, the self-worth of an individual, which I think is a very serious part. And I appreciate your bringing a real sense of what is going on there. Thank you for coming forward and doing this. I want to ask one other question, though. Mr. Romasco, you described--and in the question, I think Dr. Shadel did, too-- about the question about the money cards. Since the whole financial system--and you referred to this as money laundering, effectively, which made my ears perk up. We had a money laundering hearing just last week and the conversation about money laundering was around drugs and around moving money out of countries where we have economic sanctions, such as Iran, and part of our national security policy is to make sure that we are not bringing in money from those countries, not trading. And we hold financial institutions responsible. At least on paper, we hold them responsible for money laundering. I think there is a serious question about enforcement there, as well. But I want to ask you the question about whether or not these scams either currently fit within the laws of money laundering or should be fitted into the laws of money laundering. Mr. Romasco. Well, I am a little cautious about being a legal expert---- Senator Warren. Fair enough. Mr. Romasco [continuing]. But one of the things that is great about people is we learn from others. Senator Warren. Mm-hmm. Mr. Romasco. And my speculation is that these scammers have learned. If, as we have heard, they were in the drug business, the drug business is pretty smart about laundering money. Gee, you think they might have applied the same techniques of moving cash from point A to point B to the scamming business? That is just speculation on my part. So, again, from our perspective, we are about consumer education, prevention, and just arming our members and the people over 50 with the tools to say no and protect themselves. At the same time, we would advocate consistent aggressive law enforcement, and the reason I said it is the whole financial system is not because I have unique knowledge about it, but as a businessman, you look at all the ways to achieve your objective, and that is what these criminals are doing. If they learned how to move money to buy drugs and all that kind of stuff, they probably know the ins and outs of the financial system and how to move money from Manhattan to Colombia to Jamaica, and I would suggest that it is the entire--we have to look at that. And I think you make an extraordinarily important point. Because you do not start out at $10,000 or a million dollars, but if in collective it impacts tens of thousands of our senior citizens, and if the Met Life study is even remotely close, $3 billion? If someone showed up here and said, ``I am going to steal $3 billion from seniors in America,'' I think there would be a lot of people pretty upset about it. Senator Warren. That is right. I think we could probably-- -- Mr. Romasco. But if it happens gradually---- Senator Warren [continuing]. Get the police to respond. Mr. Romasco. If it is gradually, under the radar and offshore, it does not have the visibility and the powerful impact. Senator Warren. Uh-huh. Thank you. That is a very important point. Dr. Shadel, did you want to add? I am just about over--I am over time, but---- Mr. Shadel. I think he said it very well. The only thing I would point out that is--I do not want to necessarily defend law enforcement, although I was an investigator for a lot of years, and I gave up trying to catch con men because they were always one step ahead. Now, with technology and with this Jamaican thing, where they are having victims send money to each other, it is really, really challenging to try and figure out where the money is going, so---- Senator Warren. Well, thank you very much, but I am quite sure that if we do not try, we will never figure it out, and that cannot be the right answer. I hope there is a special circle of hell for the people who prey on our seniors in this way. Chairman Nelson. Amen. Senator Warren. Thank you. Chairman Nelson. Senator Ayotte. Senator Ayotte. First of all, I want to thank Chairman Nelson and Ranking Member Collins for holding this important hearing and for your leadership on this issue. And thank you, Sheriff King, for obviously being so dedicated to pursuing these cases. I appreciated the time that you came to explain them to me. And also, Kim, I am so sorry about what your father has gone through, but so glad that you have taken on this advocacy to explain this issue so that we can prevent other seniors from being victims of this. There is a special place in hell--I agree with Senator Warren on that-- for the people that do this. I was curious in listening to the experience, Sheriff, that you said you had with, I believe, the JOLT Task Force within ICE, and it struck me that ICE seemed an odd place to put this. I understand, obviously, the connection with Jamaica, but for other crimes--for example, when we want to focus on crimes against children, we have an Internet Crimes Against Children. Whether it is gun crimes, the DOJ will do a Gun Task Force. So what do you think about the idea, and what do you think would be best on a law enforcement model? The Department of Justice strikes me as a better place for this, and also to make it a priority to create some kind of dedicated task force, given the billions of dollars we are talking about as a loss. So I just wanted to get your thoughts of what you thought the best path forward, and if we are really serious about enforcement, how do we dedicate people that are really going to take this seriously, and that is their mission, to dismantle the people who are committing this fraudulent scheme? Mr. King. Well, I think the FBI has the infrastructure currently available to handle this and I would like to see task forces similar to the JTTF, the Joint Terrorism Task Forces, that are all over the country and they have a specific area and they can take ownership of that. I think Chairman Nelson mentioned earlier that he knew of a case where somebody was sending $300 million and they were on the FBI Watchlist. Those watchlists are available. In fact, I have had a victim of mine on the watchlist and I said, why did you not tell us, and they did not tell us. So it is very frustrating from the boots-on- the-ground law enforcement not to have the whole picture when we are investigating these cases. We are the ones that typically get the first information about that. But I think, you know, a system similar to JTTFs throughout the country, where somebody takes ownership and there is someplace to go. The dozens of victims and their families that I have spoken to throughout the country as a result of the FairPoint Web site, everybody expressed that. There is just no place to go to report these crimes. Senator Ayotte. So when you say a JTTF model, you are thinking about the collaboration with local, State, and Federal, maybe led by DOJ with dedicated coordination efforts? Mr. King. Absolutely. I think that is the perfect model to have. Senator Ayotte. Okay. I appreciate that. Thank you for that. And what else--I mean, I know that Senator Collins said, and I fully agree with her that we should do everything we can to extradite these criminals from Jamaica. I just wanted to get your thoughts on what efforts we are undertaking with respect to putting pressure on Jamaica and the Jamaican government and partners. Is there more that we can do at the Congressional level to help those efforts? Mr. King. Well, I know that the Jamaican officials--I forget the name of the organization, but they had a conference here on February 22, and Jamaica does have a concerted strategy. You know, they are going to do it with increased operations, education, and legislation. I would at least like to see us have a similar strategy, and perhaps we do not need the legislation, but at least have a strategic plan in place of how we are going to collaborate with the Jamaicans to get the information in a timely fashion. I think studies are wonderful and they certainly tell us stuff, but, I mean, here we are, how many years later, and we are still being victimized. And a study sometimes is not--that is one of the flaws with intelligence. It is not timely and it is not--you cannot use it operationally, because by the time a study comes out, it has already passed a couple years. So I think that is what--I just think we need to be operational quicker so that when we get a phone number in Jamaica, we have some Jamaican collaboration and we find out where that number is going. Senator Ayotte. Well, you know, when we see a problem and we put together a task force of JTTF, my experience when I was Attorney General, we can get things together quickly if we want to, and hopefully with the backing, obviously, of the people who are here to try to get the right task force and action. And I agree with you. This is too critical. We cannot just study this. We have got to move on this right away. So I really appreciate all the witnesses here, your testimony, your advice, and we appreciate receiving your advice going forward on how we can address this and stop these horrible crimes. Thank you. Chairman Nelson. And we want to thank the first panel, and as we are going to the second panel, I will indicate to you that we have a new Pope. It is Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio of Argentina. [Exclamations of surprise.] Mr. Romasco. That was quick. See, things can happen quickly. You are right, Senator. Chairman Nelson. That is right. [Laughter.] Okay. Thank you again. Now, we are going to hear from some additional folks with a different perspective. We are going to hear from Shawn Tiller, Deputy Chief Inspector of the U.S. Postal Inspection Service. Mr. Tiller oversees the Inspection Service Criminal Investigations Group, Forensic Laboratory Services Unit, Management, Analysis, and Planning Group, and Career Development Unit. He also serves as the Postal Inspection Service's designee on the Elder Justice Coordinating Council, a multi-agency group that advises on the prevention of abuse, neglect, and exploitation. And then we are going to hear from Vance Callender. He is the Operations Chief in charge of Homeland Security Investigation Offices in both Mexico and Canada. He opened the first Homeland Security Investigation Office at the U.S. Embassy in Kingston, Jamaica, and was the country attache. While in Jamaica, Mr. Callender also created Project JOLT, which we have spoken about, the Jamaican Operations Link to Telemarketing. It is an international task force which targets Jamaican-based advance fee fraud, which you have heard about. And then we are going to hear from Phil Hopkins, who is the Vice President of Global Security for Western Union Financial Services. He formerly served 20 years in the U.S. Secret Service, completing his career as the Assistant Special Agent in Charge of the Houston Field Office. And so before we proceed, we are going to have a video that the U.S. Postal Inspection Service prepared to share with the committee. The woman shown is Ms. Ellis' mother. [A videotape was played.] Does that not tell you how vulnerable this population is? Okay. Mr. Tiller. STATEMENT OF SHAWN S. TILLER, DEPUTY CHIEF INSPECTOR, U.S. POSTAL INSPECTION SERVICE Mr. Tiller. Good afternoon. Chairman Nelson, Ranking Member Collins, and the members of the Special Committee, I am Shawn Tiller, Deputy Chief Postal Inspector of the United States Postal Inspection Service. On behalf of our agency, I appreciate the opportunity to provide this statement in support of this hearing on Jamaican phone fraud targeting seniors. The Postal Inspection Service has a long, proud, and successful history of fighting crime against those who attack our nation's Postal system and misuse it to defraud, endanger, or otherwise threaten the American public. My testimony will describe our experiences investigating Jamaican lottery fraud and how we work to protect U.S. consumers, particularly in the areas of enforcement, education, and partnerships. International lottery and prize scams are not new. They are a variation of traditional advance fee scams promising guaranteed wins. They require victims to send a fee to redeem their prize. Consumers send money to these crooks but never receive a prize. Instead, they are relentlessly coerced into sending more of their hard-earned money. Evolving technologies allows criminals to easily cross international borders quickly and anonymously. They prey on Americans from countries overseas and out of reach of U.S. jurisdiction, which is why we term them cross-border. Disposable cell phones and Voice Over Internet Protocol extend the overseas criminals' reach into the American household. The number of countries housing predators who target Americans continues to rise, as do the number of victims. The use of the mail to commit these crimes provides the Postal Inspection Service investigative jurisdiction. In traditional foreign lottery scams, the mail nexus commonly occurs in solicitations sent to consumers. The Jamaican scam differs, however, in that victims are more often solicited by phone and the Internet and may use the mail to send money to the scammer. Jamaican lottery fraud is a growing problem for Americans, but it has not involved the use of the mail to the extent of more traditional advance fee scams. Consumer complaint data received through the Postal Inspection Service's Complaint Hotline since September 2008 ranks Jamaica 16th as a source country for foreign lottery and sweepstakes complaints. They trend significantly behind Canada, Australia, and the Netherlands. The potential for fraud is infinite and we believe it is under-reported due to a number of factors. Victims do not know where to report fraud or they are embarrassed to do so. Cognitive issues may also play a role. Despite the low number of complaints we received, our investigative efforts have identified more than 1,000 victims who have suffered nearly $17 million in losses from fiscal year 2009 to 2012. These investigations were conducted under the Jamaican Operations Linked to Telemarketing Task Force, also known as Project JOLT. To date, we count 20 indictments, 92 arrests, and 18 convictions amongst our successes. We have returned $1.4 million to these victims. We combat these crimes most effectively through cross- border task forces. Prior to JOLT, we have experienced successes as part of the Center of Operations Linked to Telemarketing Fraud, or COLT, and several other Canadian and international partnerships. In a little more than three years, Project JOLT is making progress. Information sharing between agencies continues to increase as we learn how to better coordinate and facilitate its flow between countries. The Jamaican government is developing new laws to address strategy gaps. We embrace the advances made and adapt our enforcement efforts accordingly. But there is a great deal more to achieve. Law enforcement's deterrence factor in traditional advance fee schemes is diminished by the cross-border element. Arrests alone will not stop these crimes as law enforcement is not the first line of defense. When consumers make the wrong decisions, law enforcement, consumer groups, and government leaders are called to action. Offenders are brought to justice through enforcement, and we might restore a portion of the victims' losses. But we are seldom able to repair the emotional damage caused by these crimes. Consumers can be empowered through education, preventing them from becoming a victim of fraud, halting their financial demise and avoiding the emotional toll. Education is clearly the first line of defense. We can help older Americans by alerting their caregivers about the warning signs of fraud and victimization. That is why we are committed to prevention and outreach efforts and seek innovative ways to deliver our message to the public. In recent years, we have launched consumer education initiatives targeting current and ongoing scams. We use print, broadcast, and social mediums to address the message to the public. We have participated in press events, including last week's press conference held by you, Mr. Chairman, in the great State of Florida, to help raise this awareness. We have leveraged public and private sector partnerships to expand our outreach, creating crime alerts which air in 90 media markets three times each week in more than three million homes. And we have partnered with AARP to educate consumers, caregivers, and older Americans. Together, we placed foreign lottery fraud prevention materials in more than 30,000 Post Offices across the country and sent a mailing to 25 million American households directing at-risk consumers to fraud prevention resources. I brought an example of these materials, which were cosponsored by AARP, and I hope they are in your packet, and they should be in the back of the room. We at the Postal Inspection Service commend the members of this committee for focusing attention on this significant and troubling issue and thank you very much for inviting us to testify today and contribute our experiences. [The prepared statement of Mr. Tiller follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Chairman Nelson. Thank you. Mr. Callender. STATEMENT OF VANCE R. CALLENDER, OPERATIONS CHIEF FOR MEXICO AND CANADA, HOMELAND SECURITY INVESTIGATIONS, U.S. IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT, U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY Mr. Callender. Chairman Nelson, Ranking Member Collins, and distinguished members of the committee, on behalf of Secretary Napolitano and Director Morton I would like to thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today to discuss the efforts of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and how we combat cross-border financial crime, such as telemarketing fraud. ICE has the most expansive investigative authority and the largest force of criminal investigators in the Department of Homeland Security. With more than 20,000 employees and a budget of nearly $6 billion, ICE has nearly 7,000 special agents assigned to more than 200 cities throughout the United States and 74 offices in 48 countries around the world. Working with other Federal agencies and international partners, ICE disrupts and dismantles transnational criminal networks by targeting the illicit pathways and organizations that engage in cross-border crime. As you know, telemarketing fraud schemes, including bogus lottery and sweepstakes schemes, phony investment pitches, business opportunities, tax fraud schemes, and others have grown increasingly sophisticated and international in scope. According to the U.S. Federal Trade Commission, consumers lose hundreds of millions of dollars annually to cross-border financial crime, such as telemarketing fraud, often leading to devastating consequences. In many cases, a loss represents the victim's entire life savings and, of course, probably into debt. Perpetrators of this fraud prey on consumers of all ages, backgrounds, income levels, but sadly, it is the elderly who are disproportionately targeted. Scammers take advantage of the fact that elderly Americans may have cash reserves or other assets to spend on these deceptive offers. Elderly Americans may also be reluctant to report the incident for fear of losing financial independence should their families discover the fraud. Intimidation, confusion, and exhausted victims may yield to the telemarketers' demands. Over the past decade, U.S. complaints about telemarketing fraud originating from Jamaica have increased significantly. Fraudulent telemarketing has become a lucrative source of income for criminal organizations in Jamaica. According to Jamaican law enforcement, local gangs employ telemarketing fraud tactics to raise capital, which is often used to facilitate drug smuggling and weapons smuggling into and out of the United States. A lead list, or a list of potential victims, including the individual addresses and phone numbers, can be purchased by brokers for $3 to $7 per name. These lists can be ten to 15 pages long and list hundreds of potential victims. Each name on this list represents a potential profit of tens of thousands of dollars. Violence related to telemarketing scams has grown significantly in Jamaica. The gangs and criminal organizations exchange gunfire over these lead lists and access to them. Some of the violence has spilled over into other countries, as well. As a result, in March 2009, ICE entered into an agreement with the Jamaican constabulary force to form the Project JOLT Task Force. Project JOLT stands for Jamaican Operations Linked to Telemarketing. Project JOLT focuses on identifying, disrupting, dismantling organizations perpetrating Jamaican- based telemarketing fraud. Project JOLT also works to recover the money fraudulently obtained by the telemarketers and repatriates those funds back to the victims. In fact, you may be glad to hear that just yesterday, ICE returned $45,000 to an elderly woman in Raleigh, North Carolina, who had been defrauded by scammers in Jamaica, and she had lost almost a quarter-of-a-million dollars. In the U.S., Project JOLT collaborates with private companies like Western Union as well as other Federal agencies, such as the Department of Justice, U.S. Federal Trade Commission, U.S. Postal Inspection Service, and the Federal Bureau of Investigations. The ICE-led JOLT Task Force continues to meet regularly with our Jamaican counterparts. We discuss ongoing trends and share information. ICE is also assisting Jamaican law enforcement by providing training and guidance concerning financial crimes. Since its inception, Project JOLT has initiated 450 investigations in Jamaica resulting in 149 arrests, ten indictments, six convictions. In addition, these investigations have resulted in the seizure of over $1 million, much of which has been repatriated or is in the process of being repatriated back to victims. It should be noted there has and continues to be unprecedented cooperation with the government of Jamaica on these important issues. The Jamaican government has recently enacted new laws to facilitate the investigation, prosecution, and conviction of scammers, which will no doubt help law enforcement efforts moving forward. In addition, ICE will soon be conducting outreach training at the request of the Jamaican National Overseas Bank in New York and Florida to highlight some of the typologies associated with Jamaican telemarketing fraud. I want to thank you again for the opportunity to appear before you today and for your efforts in highlighting such important work. We look forward to working with the committee in the future and I am pleased to answer any questions. [The prepared statement of Mr. Callender follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Chairman Nelson. Mr. Callender, we are going to come back to you because we want you to tell us what it is going to take to get an indictment here, and then we can address the sending the person here from Jamaica. All right. Mr. Hopkins, tell us about Western Union. STATEMENT OF PHIL HOPKINS, VICE PRESIDENT OF GLOBAL SECURITY, THE WESTERN UNION COMPANY Mr. Hopkins. Good afternoon, Chairman Nelson, Ranking Member Collins, and members of the committee. I am Phil Hopkins and I am the Vice President of Global Security for Western Union. I have been with Western Union for seven years. Before that, I served for 20 years with the United States Secret Service. I think we all can agree that aggressive action should be taken to fight the criminals who take advantage of potential fraud victims. Preventing fraud is one of Western Union's top priorities. We have a comprehensive anti-fraud program which emphasizes consumer education and awareness, fraud monitoring and controls, and ongoing collaboration with law enforcement. I can only speak generally about our efforts. On certain points, I cannot provide details because we do not want to let the fraudsters know how to evade our program, abuse our system, and victimize our customers. Because criminals are constantly changing their tactics in an effort to evade our program, we regularly review and modify it. Education is a big part of our program. We provide fraud awareness information to consumers at the point of sale, and since fraudsters prey on the elderly, we have designed consumer outreach campaigns to reach our senior citizens. Western Union trains its agents in detecting and deterring fraud at the point of sale. Our agents are trained to listen to the consumers for cues indicating fraudulent activity. Agents who suspect that a transaction is fraudulent are trained to refuse the transaction or report it to Western Union for further investigation. Western Union also has a monetary reward program for its agents, known as the Eagle Eye Program, which incentivizes agents to detect and prevent fraud. We have industry-leading controls designed to stop fraudulent transactions before they are paid. Western Union attempts to contact senders whose transactions meet certain criteria to interview them in an attempt to determine if they are victims of fraud. Where we detect or suspect fraud, or if we cannot contact the sender, the transfer is canceled and all the funds and fees are returned to the sender. We also operate an interdiction program designed to prevent suspected fraudsters from receiving money transfers and to prevent chronic consumer fraud victims from sending money. Continuous and regular collaboration with law enforcement is another key component of Western Union's anti-fraud program. For example, Western Union participates in the ICE-led multi- agency international task force known as Project JOLT that was created to combat Jamaican-based telemarketing operations that prey on U.S. citizens. On a daily basis, Western Union receives investigative leads from law enforcement and works with investigators to identify fraudulent activities. The Western Union personnel who work in our anti-fraud program have extensive backgrounds working in law enforcement agencies. In addition to all these measures, Western Union has paid particular attention to Jamaican fraud over the past few years. In the summer of 2012, when it appeared that these activities were increasing, we took enhanced measures, including suspending all 13 Western Union locations in Montego Bay for a minimum of two weeks. The temporary closure allowed us to extensively review agent activities and implement additional controls. We then implemented a $400 payout limit per transaction in the Montego Bay area and limited the number of transactions and the amount of money consumers in Jamaica can pick up in certain time periods. Western Union looks forward to continuing to work with this committee, law enforcement, and regulators on preventing consumers from becoming victims of fraud. Thank you again for inviting me to testify today. I look forward to answering any questions you may have. [The prepared statement of Mr. Hopkins follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Chairman Nelson. Thank you. Mr. Callender, thank you for setting up Project JOLT when you were the attache in the embassy in Jamaica. Mr. Callender. Yes, sir. Chairman Nelson. What do you think it is going to take to get an indictment here on what is going on there? Mr. Callender. Well, I can tell you that is being worked right now with agents on Project JOLT, working both domestically and in Jamaica. I cannot give details on that because I could compromise that, but these type of things are-- extradition investigations are forthcoming. Chairman Nelson. Can you imagine what it would be like for a prosecutor to put either of the daughters of the two witnesses in Panel One on the stand and get that story and what an effect that would have on a jury? Mr. Callender. Absolutely. I could not agree more. I have talked to literally hundreds of these victims myself. I have talked to them at every stage of the scam, trying to work through these issues with them, talked to their family members, encouraging the family members to take over their finances, to collect the evidence that the victims may have to get it in a manner that we can start--I can deploy agents in our domestic offices to get out there and take these statements from them. And it is time consuming. We have found that once you find one victim, it will lead you to 100 victims. It is a massive investigation. There is a lot of evidence. Most of these victims, as you have seen from the videos and the evidence that has been presented, they sometimes send 100 to 1,000 wire transfers over the course of two years. Doing these types of investigations requires very slow, diligent documentation of every one of those wire transfers and a statement from the victim that denotes each one of these transfers. So you can imagine the time it would take to interview 50 victims across the U.S. in different States, each of them sending 100, 300, 400 wire transfers, and bringing all that information together, creating an aggregate amount of loss. It is a very time consuming investigation. It is very slow. But the evidence--the great thing for us is the evidence is all there to make these cases. Jamaica is a country we can extradite out of. These things will happen, I guarantee you. Chairman Nelson. We would like--Senator Collins and I would like to be briefed on the ongoing investigation, realizing that we cannot be privy to a criminal investigation, but we would like to know the background because we have the responsibility as part of the oversight of the executive branch to make sure that this is getting ready and it is getting prepared to go in front of a grand jury for an indictment. Senator Collins. Senator Collins. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Callender, I, too, commend you for creating the task force and clearly caring about this issue, but my concern is that we are just scratching the surface with our enforcement efforts. If you have seized $1.2 million, much of which has been returned to the victims, that is a tiny fraction of the amount that has been sent to Jamaica to these criminals. The estimate that I have heard is a minimum of $300 million a year flowing from elderly victims to these con artists, these scammers in Jamaica. So we are a long ways from getting a handle on this. In addition, if you look at the complaints to the Federal Trade Commission, which obviously just has civil jurisdiction, not criminal--and I would like that chart to be displayed if we could--okay, I thought we had it on the--I guess we do not have it on the teleprompter. But as you can see, it has gone up and up and up, and for the last calendar year, there are over 29,000 complaints. Well, that amount grossly underestimates how much fraud there really is out there because we know that this is an under-reported crime. So I am concerned when you look at the dramatic increase in the number of complaints over the past few years, the estimate of $300 million, that our efforts, while they are well intentioned, are just not strong enough. They are just not effective enough. And since I know you care about this issue so much or you would not have created the task force, I am seeking your expert advice on what can we do about this to--part of it is public awareness, and that is one reason I asked the Chairman to hold this hearing, because I think public awareness helps a great deal. If we can get the message out to seniors that if they do not have relatives in Jamaica and they see the 876 area code come up, it is not to hang up on the person. It is, do not answer in the first place. But what can we do from a law enforcement perspective to shut this down, to make the message sent to these criminals that this crime is not going to pay? Mr. Callender. I can tell you, ma'am, what we have done so far, and that is just not myself, it is the men at this table with me and other law enforcement officials in Jamaica and across the country, is to lay the foundation and the pathway to get to where we need to be, to get to where this committee would like to see. We have established the relationships, which did not exist before within the country, with the host law enforcement, numerous law enforcement agencies across Jamaica-- passport/immigration service, the Jamaican constabulary force, Jamaican military, the financial investigative division within Jamaica, their public corruption people. That foundation has been laid. It is a slow process. All the statutes in Jamaica are being corrected or being updated to address the crime. It was very hard to prosecute these crimes in Jamaica because the legislation had not developed to this new type of crime in Jamaica. There was no Proceeds of Crime Act in Jamaica until 2007, 2008. So we were some of the first people in the history of Jamaica to forfeit a list of proceeds, and it just so happens these were JOLT proceeds to get back to victims. So the first case that we worked in 2008, who was a young lady from El Paso who had sent her and her husband's life savings, which was $60,000--he left her, she moved into a homeless shelter--and we were able to repatriate $15,000. It took us a year and a half to get that through the Jamaican court system. Now, that process, because of that first one, has sped up significantly. We are able to get those proceeds back more rapidly. But it is a learning process and it is based on relationships. We have no authority in that country, remember. We are liaison officers there, capacity building, providing leads, giving training. And it is not just us, it is our partners. It is Western Union. It is the Postal Inspection Service. And then remember, as well, our agency, Homeland Security Investigations, has over 400 other crimes that we investigate. One of your fellow committee members there had asked the question, why is ICE the one--I wanted to make that clear, why do we have this jurisdiction. Because we handle cross-border crimes. Senator Collins. Right. Mr. Callender. It is a financial crime. And, you know, it has an effect on the U.S. financial system as it does the Jamaican financial system. Now, part of what we have learned in doing what we have done so far, the first six months of JOLT, we identified 36,000 victims in six months, and there is not a law enforcement agency on this planet that can open 36,000 cases on one particular crime and still handle other crimes that are afoot. What we have to do is work smarter, not harder, and that is developing ways to group the victims together by the criminals targeting them. That way, we are able to identify which criminal groups are most successful by the amount of loss, the aggregate loss to the victims, and that aggregate loss is also used in the sentencing guidelines in the U.S. court system. Senator Collins. I know it is slow. I know it is complicated. I know that 36,000 victims is an enormous number. But we have got to go after these people and we have got to put pressure on the Jamaican government to continually update its laws. That has only happened very recently. It is still ongoing. And we have got to send a stronger signal. And I think the best way to do that, to deter others, is to put some people in prison. That is what is going to send the strong signal that this does not pay anymore. And Jamaica has got to do its part, as well. I, too, met with Jamaican diplomats this past week and I think they are finally taking it seriously, but it has taken a number of years for them to do so. I would like to see them put the effort in this, in stopping these scams, that it puts into enticing Americans to come vacation in Jamaica. A lot of money is spent on that. So we have just got to be more forceful and effective in this area, and I know you cannot open 36,000 cases, but I will tell you, if we saw prosecutions and tough sentences for some of the criminals in those cases, it would have an impact. And these people who are running the boiler rooms, if we can get at the people overseeing these criminal enterprises, it would have an impact. Mr. Hopkins, let me just ask a question of you. First of all, I am pleased to hear that you did shut down some of your offices until you could put in new anti-fraud provisions, but I need to know, when you see suspect activity, do you report it to law enforcement? Are you working with the JOLT Task Force, with others who have the ability to go after these people? I mean, you can try to do prevention, but you do not have any way to do enforcement. Mr. Hopkins. Right. Thank you for that question. Yes, we are. We work pretty extensively with all the Federal agencies, not only for fraud, but for terrorist financing, for drug smuggling. So I interact literally with every Federal agency that we have. What we do specifically for Jamaica is we, on a monthly basis, will send a list of the consumer victims that have identified a reported fraud to us to the agencies down in Homeland Security and with the Postal Inspectors. And at the same time, we have started to receive lists from them, the known fraudsters in Jamaica that we can put on our interdiction list so that those fraudsters are not going to be able to receive money from victims here in the U.S. I have a team in Denver where we kind of base our U.S. operation out of and we receive right now about 300 calls a month requesting assistance from law enforcement. We are providing information on pick-up locations or money transfer control numbers. Another thing that we do is we will take leads from any law enforcement agency that calls us, and if we can develop a comprehensive SARS, a Suspicious Activity Report, we will push that Suspicious Activity Report directly back to that law enforcement agent that was making the inquiry, which helps him get the information faster and get the investigations going. So I feel like we have a pretty aggressive team. Senator Collins. Thank you. Chairman Nelson. Senator Warren. Senator Warren. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Callender, every one of these frauds involves the American banking system because that is where the money started, whether it ends up on a money card or it is done through a credit card or it is done directly through a checking account, a wire transfer. So can you describe in a general sense how you are working with the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, the Federal Reserve Bank, and the Treasury Department? Mr. Callender. Well, we have worked with the investigators from some of those departments and agencies in Treasury, but, really, I mean, it is a crime centered around the victims and the evidence they possess. And I can tell you, quite a few of these crimes happen cash through the mail, through FedEx. It is not just the banking system---- Senator Warren. Fair enough, Mr. Callender. Some of the money undoubtedly is cash and FedEx, but we just had two witnesses who sat here and every single thing they described went through the American banking system and touched the American banking system. Mr. Callender. Right. Senator Warren. And the reason I ask about this is Western Union is describing the steps they are taking voluntarily in order to detect and close down these operations. These are the three Federal banking regulators that I have named who are responsible for overseeing the activities of our banks in terms of their responsibilities to detect and to close down operations that involve money laundering. So I just want to know, have you reached out, have you talked to the regulators about whether or not they, in fact, are examining the banks on this very question of how they deal with these scams when this money is moving through the American banking system? Mr. Callender. We have, ma'am. We call it Operation Cornerstone. It is an operation we have had going on for several years, and all of our offices nationwide go to the local banks, go to the regulators. We brief them on the crimes and the different money laundering techniques, what is the latest, what they can look out for. Part of that is a telemarketing effort. There are many other facets to that, as well, but it is Operation Cornerstone and we do it continuously. Senator Warren. Well, I appreciate that you go to the local banks, but my question is, are the banks coming up with their own procedures to monitor this? We have banking regulators who evaluate the banks and supervise the banks in terms of whether they are complying with our laws about dealing with money and money laundering, and I just want to know if you are talking with the bank regulators, not the individual banks, but the bank regulators? Mr. Callender. Personally, I have not. I know we have our headquarters component that does do that, talk to them on our behalf. As part of JOLT down there, we did not leave the country to go talk to the regulators, no. Senator Warren. Fair enough, and I understand that you are in the field---- Mr. Callender. But, yes, it is happening at a headquarters level. It is happening at more of a strategic level by people in our agency, yes. Senator Warren. I would just be grateful, as we go forward, to be able to learn more about this and find out what is being done at the regulatory side, and it is for all of the scams here that attack our seniors. If I could, there is another question I wanted to ask you. You mentioned, I think, in your testimony--perhaps it was in your written testimony--about what are, in effect, the sucker lists that get passed around that are enormously valuable. And we heard earlier about the work of the AARP, and I am familiar with it. They have done some extraordinary work and put extraordinary private resources into trying to warn people, in trying to help people avoid the consequences of these scams. And it is my understanding that they have asked for these lists to be shared, these sucker lists, and that you have not agreed to do that, and I want to understand, first, if that is right, and secondly, why. Mr. Callender. Well, there is--unfortunately, we have privacy issues with this information. Some of it is how we derive it. Some of it is derived through our partnerships with Western Union, with the Federal Trade Commission. Some of these lists, we pick up during--or the Jamaican government picks up during execution of search warrants in Jamaica and their privacy laws do not allow the sharing of that information, as well as some of our laws and policies, or rules and policies, as well. Senator Warren. So are you telling me--just because I want to understand this--are you telling me this is just a brick wall, that there is no place to go with this---- Mr. Callender. No, these are things we have definitely worked on and we have established Memorandums of Understanding with the Federal Trade Commission about sharing of this type of information. But to disclose that to the AARP, at least at this point, for us becomes a privacy issue. Senator Warren. Are you moving toward trying to find a way to be able to disclose this to the AARP, or is that avenue right now just cut off? Mr. Callender. We are always working to further these cases and make what we do more effective, and notifying the victims is definitely something we would--or potential victims, if we have that ability, is something we want to be able to do. Senator Warren. All right. Well, thank you very much, Mr. Callender. May I have one minute, because I am going to be really quick on this---- Chairman Nelson. Of course. Take as much time as you want. Senator Warren. Oh, thank you. Mr. Tiller, I just wanted to ask a question about the work of the Postal Service. You are out here trying to engage in enforcement to try to protect our citizens. We read a lot about the Postal Service facing financial cuts, that there have already been cuts, that there are perhaps more cuts in the future. Could you just speak very briefly to the potential impact of these cuts on your ability to enforce our Postal laws and protect our seniors from being scammed? Mr. Tiller. Very good. Of course, we understand that the Postal Service is in serious economic crisis, but we have to understand that criminals do not stop committing crime based on the Postal Service's volume or their income. So we are still out there every day, seven days a week, fighting crime, to identify these victims, to help preserve the sanctity of the seal and protect the American public from that mail hurting them. Senator Warren. Thank you. I appreciate it. I apologize. I have a group of high schoolers waiting for me, so I am not going to be able to stay for the last few minutes, but thank you for being here, and thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman Nelson. Well, you are an excellent member of this panel, Senator Warren. We appreciate your expertise and the passion that you bring to this committee. So thank you very much. Mr. Callender, first of all, again, I say, thank you for when you were the attache in the embassy in Jamaica, you set up this joint committee, the JOLT. That was in 2009. Has there been a prosecution by Jamaica's government of any of these people? Mr. Callender. There has, sir. I think for an actual fraud charge, there have only been two convictions. But what has happened down there, what they have done since they have had the lack of legislation, they have arrested for crimes associated with, you know, with going to do the search warrants. If it was not for doing the JOLT investigation, they would have not been doing a search warrant at this house, but when they get there, they find weapons, they find other violations--drugs, things of that nature--and so they make arrests based on that. It is going to be a much more solid conviction in Jamaica and more time. So I would say yes. Even though they may not be exact fraud charges, people are going to jail over these investigations down there, and they will be for fraud soon with their new legislation. One of the major hurdles we had is we needed the victims to come testify in Jamaica, and when you have an elderly person, traveling overseas, and then when they show up, the defense delays and they reset the court for another month and they end up coming down three times, that can be exhausting and it can practically be dangerous for them to travel that much, maybe at a particular age, and we have run into those hurdles quite a bit. So one of the new legislative items they are working on is videoconference testimony, which will be huge in moving these things forward. Chairman Nelson. And it underscores the need for an extradition after the United States Government has indicted some of these people. Mr. Callender. Absolutely. Chairman Nelson. And that would have the chilling effect. Before I turn to the former Attorney General of Connecticut, I want to ask Mr. Hopkins, I want to thank you for Western Union being proactive. Now, we asked some others to come here, the prepaid cards, and they declined. And so I want to enter into the record the declining letter from GreenDot. [The information from Chairman Nelson follows:] [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] Chairman Nelson. But I think we have got to look at the responsibility of all parties, because we are dealing with a very vulnerable population here. All right. Senator Blumenthal. Senator Blumenthal. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I want to thank you for convening this hearing. As I learned in my former life as an Attorney General for some 20 years, these kinds of scams are a real scourge, not only on vulnerable populations, but on everyone, and they continue, as we have seen and heard, not just this fraud and scam, but many others, so I thank the Chairman for focusing our attention on this one. And I want to join in thanking Western Union for participating and cooperating, as not all such private enterprises do. I worked on a multi-State agreement, as a matter of fact, with Western Union while I was Attorney General dealing with warnings to consumers of the risks of fraud- induced wire transfers. And I hope that your fraud prevention efforts have gone beyond what was required under that agreement. I believe that they have. But perhaps you can tell us what you have done proactively which perhaps can serve as a model for others and help us also possibly frame proactive measures on our part. Mr. Hopkins. Thank you, Senator. Yes, I will just kind of touch at a high level, like I said, without any real specifics because some of the details of the program. But the Courtesy Call-Back Program is a part of this prevention effort, and that is where we have various corridors around the world in the high-risk areas--I think we actually have over 55 corridors, 60 corridors that we monitor now--and if people are sending wire transfers in those corridors, if it hits certain parameters, that consumer will get a call back from someone from our call center to try to determine if they are a victim of fraud or not. And that particular measure has been extremely successful for us and we continue to expand that program. And we constantly monitor the amount. We kind of call it like a zone defense. We are constantly trying to play with the numbers themselves so the fraudsters are not able to determine what those patterns are. Another program that we have is our Fraud Hotline. We have about 20 Fraud Hotlines now deployed globally. By the end of the year, we will have 35, is our goal. And this is our effort to try to give not only the U.S. consumers but the global consumers an opportunity to report fraud. So as we have all said and some of the witnesses earlier, we know that it is under-reported, and so we are trying to enhance our ability to allow our consumers to report fraud to us, which is going to give us better statistical information and allow us to adjust our program more. We also have what we call real-time risk assessment, which is a rules-based system that is used to automatically block transactions at a period to fit certain patterns, fraud patterns. And this is becoming increasingly useful to us. And as we get better at doing this and tweaking these patterns, this allows us to actually stop the fraud at the point of sale. So as the consumers come up, it literally blocks the transaction and they are not going to be able to do the transaction. We think the expansion of that program over the next year or so is really going to help take our program to another level. And yes, Senator, we have, since your agreement, we have continued to enhance our programs and continue to do so. Senator Blumenthal. And that blocking of the transaction is really key, is it not, because it is a lot easier to block it than recover---- Mr. Hopkins. Absolutely. It prevents all the back-end work that needs to be done if we just stop it right there at the point of sale. So that is three kind of key areas that we have---- Senator Blumenthal. I appreciate that. And what would you say to people who might complain that it discourages unbanked or underbanked people from engaging in legitimate transfers? Mr. Hopkins. That our system---- Senator Blumenthal. The fraud prevention. As a sort of devil's advocate-type question, one of the points, I think, that might be made is are you discouraging people from engaging in legitimate transactions. Mr. Hopkins. Well, I think we are discouraging the fraudsters from engaging in transactions. Senator Blumenthal. Right. Mr. Hopkins. That is certainly our goal. Senator Blumenthal. Right. Let me just finish, Mr. Tiller, by asking you, in terms of the Postal Service, you may have heard Deputy Sheriff King express frustration with the degree of assistance or cooperation from Federal agencies. Is that a well-founded complaint? Mr. Tiller. Senator, that is a difficult one. It does cause me concern to hear that from a sheriff because we pride ourselves on networking and liaison and coordinating all of our investigations across the country. We have 1,400 inspectors spread throughout the country. It is very difficult for us to conduct our investigations without help, and we actually understand the benefit of leveraging our resources. So, obviously, it does cause me concern, which I will have to look into at some point. But I really feel that that is the big gap. We do not have a lot of Sheriff Kings out there in the country that understand this scam, so I will share that that is a key, is we need to educate local law enforcement what this is, so when they do get a call they have the tools available to deal with that. Senator Blumenthal. Because you have a lot of expertise and authority that local officials do not have. Mr. Tiller. We do, and we are actually working with the National Association of Attorney Generals now, the Inspection Service is, to help come up with some tools to share with local law enforcement so they do know how to handle that call when they do get it. Senator Blumenthal. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chairman Nelson. We will keep the record open for ten days for further testimony that wants to be submitted for the record. I want to thank the second panel, Mr. Tiller, Mr. Callender, and Mr. Hopkins. Thank you very much. I want to thank all the folks that have been here today very patiently, interested in this subject. Senator Collins and I are not going to let this one go. We want to see some indictments and some extraditions and some prosecutions. And this is just one of the scams that is going on, and it is a vulnerable population and that happens to be the subject matter of this committee. So with that thought, thank you all. Have a great day. The meeting is adjourned. [Whereupon, at 4:18 p.m., the committee was adjourned.] APPENDIX [GRAPHIC(S) NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] [all]