[House Hearing, 115 Congress] [From the U.S. Government Publishing Office] [H.A.S.C. No. 115-51] HEARING ON NATIONAL DEFENSE AUTHORIZATION ACT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2018 AND OVERSIGHT OF PREVIOUSLY AUTHORIZED PROGRAMS BEFORE THE COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ONE HUNDRED FIFTEENTH CONGRESS FIRST SESSION __________ SUBCOMMITTEE ON STRATEGIC FORCES HEARING ON FISCAL YEAR 2018 PRIORITIES FOR NUCLEAR FORCES AND ATOMIC ENERGY DEFENSE ACTIVITIES __________ HEARING HELD MAY 25, 2017 [GRAPHIC NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] __________ U.S. GOVERNMENT PUBLISHING OFFICE 25-873 WASHINGTON : 2018 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Publishing Office, http://bookstore.gpo.gov. For more information, contact the GPO Customer Contact Center, U.S. Government Publishing Office. Phone 202-512-1800, or 866-512-1800 (toll-free). E-mail, [email protected]. SUBCOMMITTEE ON STRATEGIC FORCES MIKE ROGERS, Alabama, Chairman TRENT FRANKS, Arizona, Vice Chair JIM COOPER, Tennessee DOUG LAMBORN, Colorado SUSAN A. DAVIS, California DUNCAN HUNTER, California RICK LARSEN, Washington MO BROOKS, Alabama JOHN GARAMENDI, California JIM BRIDENSTINE, Oklahoma BETO O'ROURKE, Texas MICHAEL R. TURNER, Ohio DONALD NORCROSS, New Jersey MIKE COFFMAN, Colorado COLLEEN HANABUSA, Hawaii BRADLEY BYRNE, Alabama RO KHANNA, California SAM GRAVES, Missouri Drew Walter, Professional Staff Member Leonor Tomero, Counsel Mike Gancio, Clerk C O N T E N T S ---------- Page STATEMENTS PRESENTED BY MEMBERS OF CONGRESS Rogers, Hon. Mike, a Representative from Alabama, Chairman, Subcommittee on Strategic Forces............................... 1 WITNESSES Benedict, VADM Terry, USN, Director, Navy Strategic Systems Program........................................................ 6 Cange, Susan M., Acting Assistant Secretary for Environmental Management, Department of Energy............................... 8 Klotz, Lt Gen Frank G., USAF (Ret.), Administrator, National Nuclear Security Administration................................ 3 Rand, Gen Robin, USAF, Commander, Air Force Global Strike Command 6 Soofer, Dr. Robert, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Nuclear and Missile Defense Policy, Department of Defense...... 4 Zangardi, Dr. John A., Acting Chief Information Officer, Department of Defense.......................................... 7 APPENDIX Prepared Statements: Benedict, VADM Terry......................................... 69 Cange, Susan M............................................... 83 Cooper, Hon. Jim, a Representative from Tennessee, Ranking Member, Subcommittee on Strategic Forces................... 34 Klotz, Lt Gen Frank G........................................ 35 Rand, Gen Robin.............................................. 54 Rogers, Hon. Mike............................................ 31 Soofer, Dr. Robert........................................... 47 Zangardi, Dr. John A......................................... 79 Documents Submitted for the Record: Letter from Secretary of Energy Moniz to the Director of the Office of Management and Budget............................ 95 Witness Responses to Questions Asked During the Hearing: [There were no Questions submitted during the hearing.] Questions Submitted by Members Post Hearing: Mr. Cooper................................................... 108 Mr. Franks................................................... 108 Mr. Garamendi................................................ 111 Mr. Rogers................................................... 101 FISCAL YEAR 2018 PRIORITIES FOR NUCLEAR FORCES AND ATOMIC ENERGY DEFENSE ACTIVITIES ---------- House of Representatives, Committee on Armed Services, Subcommittee on Strategic Forces, Washington, DC, Thursday, May 25, 2017. The subcommittee met, pursuant to call, at 10:00 a.m., in room 2118, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. Mike Rogers (chairman of the subcommittee) presiding. OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. MIKE ROGERS, A REPRESENTATIVE FROM ALABAMA, CHAIRMAN, SUBCOMMITTEE ON STRATEGIC FORCES Mr. Rogers. Good morning. The subcommittee will come to order. I want to welcome you to our hearing on ``Fiscal Year 2018 Priorities for Nuclear Forces and Atomic Energy Defense Activities.'' I want to thank our witnesses for being here today and for your service to our Nation. In uniform or out, your service to the American people is greatly appreciated. We have a full witness panel today because, due to the compressed schedule for the budget request and defense authorization bill, we are going to attempt to cover the waterfront on all things nuclear. We have the Honorable Frank Klotz, Administrator, Under Secretary for Nuclear Security; Dr. Robert Soofer, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Nuclear Defense Policy; General Robin Rand, Commander, Air Force Global Strike Command; Vice Admiral Terry Benedict, Director, Navy Strategic Systems Programs; and I know I am going to butcher this one up, but Dr. John Zangardi--is that all right--Acting Chief Information Officer at the Department of Defense; and Ms. Susan Cange--did I pronounce that right-- Acting Assistant Secretary of Energy for Environmental Management. Two and a half months ago, the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Selva, testified before our full committee that, quote: ``There is no higher priority for the Joint Force than fielding all the components of an effective nuclear deterrent, and we are emphasizing the nuclear mission over all other modernization programs when faced with that choice. We in the Joint Force put our nuclear deterrent as the number one priority for modernization and recapitalization,'' close quote. This priority has now been clearly stated by three successive Secretaries of Defense: Secretary Hagel, Secretary Carter, and Secretary Mattis. As my friend and ranking member has repeatedly pointed out, this subcommittee agrees with that prioritization on a bipartisan basis, and I am pleased to say that the fiscal year 2018 budget request put forward by the Trump administration 2 days ago reinforces that priority. This is good news. As a Nation, we need to put our money where our mouths are. This committee played a key role in building the current broad bipartisan agreement on the importance of the U.S. nuclear deterrent and the urgent need to carry out the full nuclear modernization programs put forth by the Obama administration. Reflecting on the budget request, let's be clear about one thing. The billion dollar increase for NNSA's [National Nuclear Security Administration's] nuclear weapons activities goes a long way but does not fully fill the gap identified by Secretary of Energy Ernie Moniz in his letter to the OMB [Office of Management and Budget] Director in 2015. The Secretary said there was over a billion dollar gap between the program of record in fiscal year 2018 and the funding allocated. We are still several hundred million dollars short here. As the Trump administration embarks on its Nuclear Posture Review, in which several of our witnesses are intimately involved, we will take stock today of all the priorities, policies, and programs related to nuclear deterrence and nuclear security more broadly. Let me briefly highlight two. Of particular concern to this subcommittee are the nuclear advances made by foreign countries and how those impact our own deterrent. As we heard from the Defense Science Board earlier this year, quote, ``Nuclear weapons are a steadily evolving threat in both new and familiar directions,'' close quote. We must understand how the threat is evolving and anticipate what must be done to compensate. The U.S. focus in recent years has been on downplaying the utility of nuclear weapons, but most other nuclear powers have not downplayed that threat. The U.S. will ensure its nuclear deterrent is robust and credible against all potential threats today and for the long term. Another longstanding concern of this committee has been the state of the infrastructure within the NNSA enterprise. This committee has had several hearings on the topic in the past year, and I am pleased that the budget request provides significantly additional funding here. We will take a look at the projects that are being proposed and make sure they are truly buying down the massive backlog of deferred maintenance and repair needs. We will also look to see what authorities and processes can be provided or streamlined to ensure we are doing this smartly, effectively, and efficiently. In closing, let me revisit something that General Hyten, Commander of the U.S. Strategic Command, said at our hearing back in March, quote: ``At a time when others continue to modernize and expand strategic capabilities, nearly all elements of the nuclear enterprise, our nuclear delivery systems, weapons stockpile, NC3 [nuclear command, control, and communications], and other critical infrastructure are operating well beyond their expected service life''--``planned sustainment and modernization activities must be completed on schedule, as a delay will impact the execution of our strategic deterrence mission and unacceptably degrade our ability, and ultimately our credibility, to deter and assure,'' close quote. For our number one priority defense mission, this is a sobering reminder of the tremendously important job facing these witnesses and this subcommittee, so let's get to work. I want to thank our witnesses for being here, and I look forward to our discussions. With that, let me turn to my friend, the ranking member from Tennessee, Mr. Jim Cooper, for any opening statement he may have. [The prepared statement of Mr. Rogers can be found in the Appendix on page 31.] Mr. Cooper. Thank you so much, Mr. Chairman. I too want to welcome the witnesses, and in order to save time, I would ask unanimous consent that my opening statement be made part of the record. Thank you. [The prepared statement of Mr. Cooper can be found in the Appendix on page 34.] Mr. Rogers. One of the many reasons I like him: He is short and to the point. All right. We are going to be called for votes in about an hour. So, if the witnesses could, your full opening statement will be submitted for the record. If you can summarize in about 3 minutes, then we will get to questions more rapidly. General Klotz, you are recognized. STATEMENT OF LT GEN FRANK G. KLOTZ, USAF (RET.), ADMINISTRATOR, NATIONAL NUCLEAR SECURITY ADMINISTRATION General Klotz. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I will summarize, hopefully at 3 minutes. Chairman Rogers, Ranking Member Cooper, and other members of the subcommittee, thank you for the opportunity to present the President's fiscal year 2018 budget request for the Department of Energy's National Nuclear Security Administration. We value this committee's strong support for the three pillars of NNSA's mission: the nuclear weapons stockpile, nuclear threat reduction, and Naval Reactors. Our budget request, which comprises approximately half of the DOE [Department of Energy] budget, is $13.9 billion. This represents an increase, as you pointed out, of nearly $1 billion, or 7.8 percent, over the fiscal year 2017 omnibus level. This budget request is vital to ensuring that the U.S. nuclear force remains modern, robust, flexible, resilient, ready, and appropriately tailored to 21st century threats, and to reassure our allies. It also is indicative of the strong support of the administration for the mission and the people of the National Nuclear Security Administration. NNSA's fiscal year 2018 budget request for the weapons activity appropriation is $10.2 billion, an increase of nearly $1 billion, or 10.8 percent, over the fiscal year 2017 omnibus level. This increase is needed to both meet our current life extension program commitments and to modernize our research and production infrastructure so we are positioned to address future requirements and future challenges. The 2018 budget request also includes $1.8 billion for the defense nuclear nonproliferation account, which is consistent with the funding level in the fiscal year 2017 omnibus. This appropriation continues NNSA's critical and far-reaching mission to prevent, counter, and to respond to nuclear threats. The request for our third appropriations, the Naval Reactors program, is nearly $1.5 billion. This represents an increase of $60 million, or 4.2 percent, above the fiscal year 2017 omnibus level. Not only does the requested funding support today's operational fleet, it enables Naval Reactors to deliver tomorrow's fleet. Our budget request for the fourth and final appropriations account, Federal salaries and expenses, is $418 million, an increase of $31 million, or 8.1 percent, over the fiscal year 2017 omnibus level. The request supports recruiting, training, and retaining the highly skilled Federal workforce essential to achieving success in technically complex 21st century national security missions. In closing, our fiscal year 2018 budget request reflects NNSA's motto: ``Mission first, people always.'' It accounts for the significant tempo of operations at NNSA which in many ways has reached a level unseen since the Cold War. It includes long overdue investments to repair and replace infrastructure at our national laboratories and production plants, and it provides modern and more efficient work space for our highly talented scientific, engineering, and professional workforce. Thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today, sir, and I look forward to answering any questions the subcommittee may have. [The prepared statement of General Klotz can be found in the Appendix on page 35.] Mr. Rogers. Thank you, General. Dr. Soofer, you are recognized for the first of many occasions before this committee, I am sure. STATEMENT OF DR. ROBERT SOOFER, DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF DEFENSE FOR NUCLEAR AND MISSILE DEFENSE POLICY, DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE Dr. Soofer. Thank you, Chairman Rogers, Ranking Member Cooper, and distinguished members of the committee. Thank you for the opportunity to testify on the President's fiscal year 2018 budget request for nuclear forces. The President directed the Department of Defense to conduct a comprehensive Nuclear Posture Review [NPR], and we expect to complete it by the end of this calendar year. I will not prejudge the outcome of the NPR but will outline some of the challenges and questions that we face. For decades, U.S. nuclear forces have provided the ultimate deterrent against nuclear attacks on the United States and our allies. Nuclear weapons remain a foundational element of U.S. strategy for deterring strategic attacks and large-scale war and for assuring U.S. allies. Effective deterrence requires a deliberate strategy and forces that are structured and postured to support that strategy within the existing security environment. Strategy, forces, and posture must also be flexible enough to maintain stability while adjusting to both gradual and rapid technological and geopolitical changes. Recent years have, indeed, brought changes that U.S. policy must address. Russia has undertaken aggressive actions against its neighbors and threatened the United States and its allies. It has elevated strategies for nuclear first use. It is violating the landmark Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty and is modernizing a large and diverse nonstrategic nuclear weapons force. In the Asia-Pacific, China's increased assertiveness suggests a desire to dominate that region. North Korea's leadership has demonstrated a willingness to accept economic countermeasures and international isolation in order to advance its nuclear capability and develop ballistic missiles able to strike the United States homeland as well our allies in the region. The United States remains committed to ensuring that Iran never acquires a nuclear weapon. As the administration conducts its policy review of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action [JCPOA], we will continue to meet our commitments under the deal. Iran continues its ballistic missile program, which is outside of the JCPOA. It is against this backdrop that the President directed DOD [Department of Defense] to ensure that the U.S. nuclear deterrent is modern, robust, flexible, resilient, ready, and appropriately tailored to deter 21st century threats. Each of these characteristics contributes to the effectiveness of our deterrent strategy. As we conduct the NPR, Secretary Mattis has directed that we continue with the existing program of record for recapitalizing our aging nuclear forces. After decades of deferred modernization, replacement programs must proceed without further delay if we are to retain existing deterrent capabilities. DOD expects nuclear recapitalization costs to total approximately $230 billion to $290 billion over more than two decades. This includes the total cost of strategic delivery systems that have a nuclear-only mission and a portion of the B-21 bomber, which will have both conventional and nuclear roles. It also includes modernizing nuclear command and control and communication systems. During this coming period of increased spending for replacement programs, nuclear forces will remain a small fraction of the DOD budget with annual funding levels, including sustainment and operations, projected to range from approximately 3 percent to 6 percent of total defense spending. The President's budget request for fiscal year 2018 fully funds DOD nuclear recapitalization programs and provides for nuclear force sustainment and operations. It also adds more than $3 billion across the Future Years Defense Plan relative to the previous year's request to continue improving the health of the DOD nuclear enterprise. These investments demonstrate the President's commitment to nuclear deterrence and national defense. The critical mission of ensuring an effective nuclear deterrent is the highest priority mission of the Department of Defense and one it shares with the Department of Energy and the Congress, and we look forward to continuing to work together in faithfully and responsively fulfilling this mission. Thank you again for the opportunity to testify. I look forward to your questions. [The prepared statement of Dr. Soofer can be found in the Appendix on page 47.] Mr. Rogers. Thank you, Dr. Soofer. General Rand, you are recognized. STATEMENT OF GEN ROBIN RAND, USAF, COMMANDER, AIR FORCE GLOBAL STRIKE COMMAND General Rand. Chairman Rogers, Ranking Member Cooper, and distinguished members of the subcommittee, thank you for allowing me to appear before you today to represent the men and women of Air Force Global Strike Command. I have testified multiple times for the subcommittee, and I am looking forward to speaking about the progress and the changes that have taken place in our command since our last meeting in July of 2016. I am happy to provide my inputs and answer any questions on the Ground-Based Strategic Deterrent, Long-Range Standoff Weapon and the B-21 Raider, infrastructure requirements, nuclear command and control and communication systems, and other programs within the Air Force Global Strike. Fiscal constraints, while posing planning challenges, do not alter the national security landscape or the intent of competitors and adversaries, nor do they diminish the enduring value of long-range strategic forces to our Nation. Mr. Chairman, and subcommittee members, I want to thank you for your dedication to our great Nation and the opportunity to appear before the committee to highlight the need for modernization and efforts across Air Force Global Strike Command. I look forward to your questions. [The prepared statement of General Rand can be found in the Appendix on page 54.] Mr. Rogers. That was a record. Like 1 minute. Awesome. Admiral Benedict, you are recognized. STATEMENT OF VADM TERRY BENEDICT, USN, DIRECTOR, NAVY STRATEGIC SYSTEMS PROGRAM Admiral Benedict. Thank you, sir. Chairman Rogers, Ranking Member Cooper, distinguished members of the committee, thank you for the opportunity to testify here today representing the men and women of our Navy's Strategic Systems Programs [SSP]. I would like to briefly address the long-term sustainment of the sea-based leg of the triad. While our current life- extension efforts will sustain the D5 [Trident missile] system until the 2040s, the Navy is already beginning to evaluate options to maintain a credible and effective strategic weapons system to the end of the Columbia-class service life in the 2080s. At SSP, we are looking long term and across the spectrum, from our workforce and infrastructure to our industry partners and geographic footprint. Thank you for the opportunity to testify here today about the sea-based leg of the triad. I am pleased to answer your questions at this time. [The prepared statement of Admiral Benedict can be found in the Appendix on page 69.] Mr. Rogers. He beat you by 10 seconds, General. I am sorry. They won't beat Cooper. Dr. Zangardi, you are recognized. STATEMENT OF DR. JOHN A. ZANGARDI, ACTING CHIEF INFORMATION OFFICER, DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE Dr. Zangardi. Good morning, Mr. Chairman, Ranking Member, and distinguished members of the subcommittee. Thank you for this opportunity to testify before the subcommittee today on the Department's nuclear command and control and communication systems and the risks, challenges, and opportunities within the system and related programs, policies, and priorities for modernization and recapitalization of the NC3 system. I am the Acting Department Chief Information Officer, and I am the senior civilian adviser to the Secretary of Defense for information technology and the information enterprise that supports the DOD command and control, which includes responsibility for policy, oversight, guidance, and coordination for the Department's NC3 system. My written statement provides more detailed information on these matters, but I want to highlight to you some of the Department's activities in this critical, important mission area. My office's fiscal year 2018 Capabilities Planning Guidance states that we need to strengthen our national leadership command capabilities to meet changing threats and to help the President and national leadership ability to command U.S. forces. I believe this budget will help both these areas, as we identify threats and ways to mitigate them, which in turn helps our Nation's leaders maintain positive control of the U.S. nuclear armed forces. Specifically, the Council on the Oversight of the National Leadership Command, Control, and Communications Systems has proved to be a crucial element of the Department's strategy. We have been heavily focused on NC3 modernization and sustainment programs. We continue that focus but will operationalize the discussion based upon what our main customers, USSTRATCOM [U.S. Strategic Command], Joint Staff, USNORTHCOM [U.S. Northern Command], and the White House, require to accomplish their mission over the short and long term. Our objective is to ensure with high confidence that the systems provide the operational capability in time of crisis. Finally, communications is always the key. I believe the two-way communication between your professional staffers and our DOD teams have increased the capability and readiness of our NLCC [National Leadership Command Capabilities] enterprise. This communication's flow has provided clarity to the NC3 mission area, its acquisition process, provided stability for NC3 program offices, and ensured warfighter capabilities. We are not done. We have more work to do, and the Department is actively pursuing modernization while operating within the confines of a constrained budget environment. Thank you and I look forward to your questions. [The prepared statement of Dr. Zangardi can be found in the Appendix on page 79.] Mr. Rogers. Thank you. Ms. Cange, you are recognized. STATEMENT OF SUSAN M. CANGE, ACTING ASSISTANT SECRETARY FOR ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT, DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY Ms. Cange. Good morning, Chairman Rogers, Ranking Member Cooper, and members of the subcommittee. I am pleased to be here today to represent the Department of Energy's Office of Environmental Management and to discuss the important work we have recently accomplished, as well as what we plan to achieve under the President's fiscal year 2018 budget request. The total budget request for the EM [Environmental Management] program is $6.5 billion, and of that, $5.5 billion is for defense environmental cleanup activities. Before discussing this request, I would like to take a brief moment to update you on a recent incident at the Hanford site. As you know, there recently was a partial collapse of one tunnel near the PUREX [plutonium uranium extraction] facility that has been used since the 1950s to store contaminated equipment. Based on extensive monitoring, there was no release of radiological contamination from the incident, and no workers were injured. Workers have filled in the collapsed section with soil and placed a cover over the tunnel. We are working closely with the State of Washington for a more permanent solution. We take this event very seriously and are looking closely at lessons learned. Maintaining and improving aging infrastructure is a priority for EM, and this incident emphasizes the need to continue to focus on these efforts. With regard to recent accomplishments, we continue to demonstrate our ability to make significant progress through achievements like resuming shipments of transuranic waste to the Waste Isolation Pilot Plant, or WIPP. Our fiscal year 2018 budget request will enable us to build on this momentum. The request allows EM to continue to make progress in addressing radioactive tank waste, as well as continuing other important work, such as deactivation and decommissioning, soil and groundwater cleanup, and management and disposition of special nuclear materials, spent nuclear fuel, and transuranic and solid waste. Our request also includes funding to support the National Nuclear Security Administration by tackling some of their high- priority excess contaminated facilities in Oak Ridge and at the Lawrence Livermore National Lab. In particular, the 2018 request supports continued waste and placement at WIPP. At the Savannah River Site, the request supports continuing the tank waste mission through commissioning the startup of the Salt Waste Processing Facility. And at Hanford, the budget request supports continued site remediation along the river corridor, and it supports beginning to treat low-activity tank waste by 2023. In closing, I am honored to be here today representing the Office of Environmental Management. We are committed to achieving our mission safely and successfully. Thank you, and I am pleased to answer any questions. [The prepared statement of Ms. Cange can be found in the Appendix on page 83.] Mr. Rogers. I thank all the witnesses, and I will recognize myself first for questions. General Klotz, you talked about the $1 billion increase that is in your budget, and while it looks like a lot--and it is a lot--there is a lot of deferred maintenance in NNSA. This is something that the Obama administration recognized early. And, without objection, I would like to introduce a letter to that effect from Secretary Moniz in December 2015 that clearly states an extra billion dollars a year is needed starting in fiscal year 2018. [The letter referred to can be found in the Appendix on page 95.] Mr. Rogers. In that letter, Secretary Moniz says, quote: ``We estimate that an additional $5.2 over the fiscal year 2018 through 2021 is needed. Failure to address these requirements in the near term will put the NNSA budget in an untenable position beginning in fiscal year 2018 and will provide a misleading marker to the next administration as to the resource needs of the nuclear security enterprise,'' close quote. General Klotz, is this billion dollar increase for NNSA's weapon activities just filling a gap, or is it an essential part of a long-term recovery from your current circumstance? General Klotz. Thank you very much for that question, Mr. Chairman, and I appreciate all the support that this committee has provided to dealing with the infrastructure issues that we have within NNSA. And I also appreciate the broad bipartisan support for that effort that you outlined in your opening statement. We are very grateful for the level of spending that has been proposed in the President's fiscal year 2018 budget. It will allow us to tackle some of our very important infrastructure recapitalization projects, such as the Uranium Processing Facility at Y-12 in Oak Ridge, Tennessee, which we expect a complete design this year and actually start construction next year. But we didn't get into the situation we face with aging and, in some cases, crumbling infrastructure overnight, and we are not going to get out of it in a day. So expect us to come forward next year and in subsequent years with requests to begin funding some other very important recapitalization efforts in the area of restoring our ability to produce plutonium pits and restoring our ability to process the lithium which we need for our nuclear weapons program and investments to replace our ability to fabricate trusted microsystems that we need to ensure that we have the radiation- hardened electronics for our nuclear forces. Mr. Rogers. It is fair to say, and my question is, is it fair to say that this is the first year of 5 years funding that was a program of record by the Obama administration as being essential that was presented to this Congress? General Klotz. I think it is fair to say that the new administration came in and took a look at our requirements and our needs with a fresh set of eyes, and that they agree that ensuring that we can complete our life-extension programs in order to deliver systems to the Air Force and the Navy on time, on schedule, and on budget is essential and also fixing our infrastructure so that we are flexible and responsive to the needs of our nuclear deterrent, both now and well into the future. Mr. Rogers. General Rand, the GBSD [Ground-Based Strategic Deterrent] and LRSO [Long-Range Standoff Weapon], TMRR [technology maturation risk reduction] contracts are supposed to be hitting their targets in August or September of this year. Is that accurate? General Rand. Yes, sir, that is accurate. Mr. Rogers. So you don't see a problem with that slipping? General Rand. No, sir. I have no indication that will be delayed. Mr. Rogers. There are many critics that believe LRSO is destabilizing. Is that your opinion? General Rand. No, sir. Mr. Rogers. Can you tell us why? General Rand. Well, we have had a nuclear cruise missile since the 1960s. This is not a new capability. It is an improved capability over the ALCM that we currently have, the air-launched cruise missile. And when you have bombers and you take off, first of all, there is a visible presence. And as we fly today, the enemy, potential adversaries, don't know if we are conventional or nuclear, and I don't view that as destabilizing at all. Mr. Rogers. With that, I will yield to the ranking member for any questions he may have. Mr. Cooper. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There are many good parts and many bad parts to the recent budget that was submitted to Congress. I thought one of the good parts was the termination of the MOX [Mixed Oxide] facility in South Carolina. General Klotz, would you like to reflect on that? General Klotz. Thank you, Representative Cooper. As I indicated, the new administration came in and looked at a lot of programs that are within the scope of the Department of Energy and the National Nuclear Security Administration, and came to the conclusion that the MOX Fuel Fabrication Project in Savannah River, South Carolina, ought to be terminated. The conclusion was based on the fact that this is an extraordinarily expensive program: $5 billion have already been invested in it. We estimate it would take an additional $12 billion to go, just to complete the project, and that doesn't even begin to address the costs, long-term costs, of operating the program. We have developed an alternative strategy for disposing of excess weapons-grade plutonium. It is called the dilute and dispose approach, which we briefed to this committee last year. It is a proven technology. We have already emplaced diluted plutonium at the Waste Isolation Pilot Project, the WIPP facility, in New Mexico. It is proven technology. The risks are lower. The costs are lower. And it gets plutonium out of the State of South Carolina far faster than the MOX project would. Mr. Cooper. Thank you, General. I hope my colleagues will pay attention to the general's comments because this is an annual issue in the defense authorization bill. So I hope that we can come to a sensible resolution. This issue has hung fire for many, many years now. Ms. Cange, regarding Hanford and the tunnel collapse, it is my impression that, in the Trump budget, we are reducing the appropriation or the authorization for Hanford by over $100 million. Is that right? Ms. Cange. Yes, sir. The fiscal year 2018 budget request for the Richland Operations Office is reduced from what the 2017 omnibus amount was. Mr. Cooper. So you mentioned we are going to be cooperating with the State of Washington on fixing that tunnel problem, other than just putting dirt on it. Ms. Cange. Yes. Mr. Cooper. So what is likely to be the resolution? Ms. Cange. There is a number of alternatives that have been developed and are currently being evaluated. They range from potentially filling the tunnel with a fillable grout material to stabilize the tunnel and the contamination until such a time that a permanent remedy will be implemented to, at the upper end, constructing a structure over the tunnel. So the various alternatives are still under evaluation. Mr. Cooper. So we are really not talking about a fix. We are talking about covering up the problem or stabilizing it? Ms. Cange. We are talking about ensuring that we stabilize the tunnel and the material that is contained within the tunnel in a way that this type of incident will not occur again until a final remedy is reached between the parties. Mr. Cooper. But no one will be able to use the tunnel in the meantime. Ms. Cange. The tunnel has not been used since the early 1950s. Mr. Cooper. Dr. Zangardi, many of the NC3 programs are delayed or over cost. In fact, when you look at the long list of those that are delayed and/or over cost, it is almost hard to find one that is working on time as expected. What are we going to do to improve the performance record here? Dr. Zangardi. Yes, sir. Thank you for the question. Regarding NC3 programs, breaking the answer down into two parts: First, I run the national, the NLCC, and as part of the NLCC, we have taken a review of these programs and understand your concerns and recognize the delays to the program. The Air Force has been tasked by the chairs of the NLCC--AT&L [Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics] is one of the chairs, along with the Vice Chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff--to review these programs, look for areas of causality--is there a common cause or root cause between all these problems--and develop solutions to get the programs back on track. The Department is very focused on correcting these issues. Additionally, we were in Omaha, where we had a group meeting of about 30 seniors to look at the NC3 enterprise several weeks ago. Tasks came out of that to begin looking at things we can do to improve the overall operational resilience of the systems that are currently out there. So we are looking at it in two ways: one, with the NLCC, figuring out how we can improve the programs' performance as they come on in the future; and, two, dealing with the systems that are out there that we must currently maintain. Mr. Cooper. So is your answer consistent with the number one priority that the nuclear mission has within the Department of Defense? Dr. Zangardi. Yes, sir, it is. We have stated very clearly in meetings with my leadership that this is the highest priority. We have stated that very clearly in the NLCC Council meetings, and it was very clear when we met at Omaha that this is the highest priority. I am in lockstep agreement with General Hyten on these issues, sir. Mr. Cooper. So we are going to be performing better in the future, and I can hold you to that? Dr. Zangardi. Our objective is to perform better in the future, sir, and I will be glad to come back and answer any questions in the future if problems arise or to talk to you about performance. Mr. Cooper. Well, I think that sounds a little bit like accountability, but I am not sure that that is full accountability, the willingness to answer questions. Presumably you would be willing to answer questions anyway. Dr. Zangardi. Yes, sir. It is accountable. I am working these areas. I report directly to the DSD [Deputy Secretary of Defense] on these areas and keep him apprised of it. The accountability is very clear as it is defined in recent legislation in the NDAA [National Defense Authorization Act] about DOD's CIO having responsibilities in the NLCC area. Mr. Cooper. As you well know, without command and control, the weapons systems are largely useless. Dr. Zangardi. Yes, sir. Mr. Cooper. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have no questions until the closed session. Mr. Rogers. I thank the gentleman. The Chair now recognizes the gentleman from the great State of Alabama, Mr. Byrne. Mr. Byrne. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Admiral Benedict, I am concerned about the tight timeframe for the Columbia class, and I know you are too. In looking at it, I know that there is not too much wiggle room there, so I would like to ask you this question: If the Columbia-class program is delayed or slips by just one year, will there be a gap in the sea-based leg of the triad? Admiral Benedict. Yes, sir. Today, the current program has basically one Columbia class entering service as one Ohio replacement platform departs service. So, if there was a slip, although we believe firmly that we can execute the program of record, there would be a gap, yes, sir. Mr. Byrne. I appreciate your saying it as clearly as you did because we need to hear that as we go forward into budgets, not just this year, but as you know, in the entire cycle that we have got here, we just don't have any room for not hitting the mark each year. Is that a fair statement? Admiral Benedict. That is a fair statement. We have already taken a 2-year slip in the Columbia class, which pushed us basically line on line with the Ohio's retirement. Yes, sir, that gap has been eroded. Mr. Byrne. Admiral, thank you for your candor. Mr. Chairman, I yield back. Mr. Rogers. I thank the gentleman. The Chair now recognizes the gentlelady from California, Mrs. Davis, for 5 minutes. Mrs. Davis. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you all for being here as well. We are aware that, in this budget, there is a 5 percent decrease for defense nuclear nonproliferation. And I am just wondering how we justify that. I know you mentioned it was consistent, I believe, with the 2017 omnibus. But at the same time, we are requesting increasingly large sums of money for our own nuclear arsenal. Is there a disconnect here? And how do you translate this to the general public? General Klotz. Thank you very much for that question. My explanation will be a little lengthy perhaps because I think the misunderstanding has to do with how the budget appropriations accounts are laid out in the budget. Under the line that we call defense nuclear nonproliferation, I would bend them in three different ways. First of all, there are things that we do in the traditional nonproliferation mission space. Then there are dollars that we pay for our ability to counter nuclear terrorism and respond to, God forbid, a radiological or nuclear incident anywhere in the United States or abroad. And then there is also the construction project under the defense nuclear nonproliferation account, which includes the MOX Fuel Fabrication Facility that Representative Cooper just asked about. So the bulk of the reduction in that appropriations account reflects the administration's proposal that we terminate the MOX project. So the total amount of money going to MOX goes from the fiscal year 2017 omnibus level of about 345, I believe, down to 279. So that accounts for a lot of it. And we have also seen an increase in our ability, the spending that we want to have for nuclear counterterrorism and incident response in order to recapitalize all the equipment, the radiation detectors, the secure wireless telephones, that our people would use with other domestic partners in responding to it. In the pure defense nuclear nonproliferation area, the funding is relatively flat. It would have been exactly flat if the Congress had appropriated what we requested in fiscal year 2017, but you plussed us up a little bit a week or two before the budget went to press, and so there is a very, very slight decrease in the overall spending floor that we are proposing for defense nuclear nonproliferation. It is still a very robust program: $1.8 billion is a very robust program. Mrs. Davis. Thank you for that. I appreciate it. And I think, Dr. Soofer, to you as well, would you agree that the nuclear deterrent is our number one priority? Dr. Soofer. Yes, ma'am, I would. Deterring nuclear attack and assuring our allies has been a fundamental and enduring goal of the United States Government during the Cold War and over the last three Nuclear Posture Reviews. Mrs. Davis. Would it be a better, I guess, example or demonstration of that if we did, as the NNSA did, a long-term plan for nuclear weapons modernization? It is my understanding that the Department of Defense doesn't really submit a 25-year plan for its nuclear weapons plan. Is that accurate, and how do we, again, connect that? Dr. Soofer. Well, we currently have plans to modernize each leg of the nuclear triad, as well as the nuclear command and control system, and that modernization will take us out until about 2040. We provide Congress an annual report on funding over the next 10 years, the section 1043 report. But you are correct, Congresswoman, we don't do a 25- or 30-year plan, but we have forces planned that will last over those years. Mrs. Davis. I think my time is up, but perhaps there is a way to better frame that so that there is a sense of more consistency. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Rogers. I thank the gentlelady. The Chair now recognizes the gentleman from Colorado, Mr. Lamborn, for 5 minutes. Mr. Lamborn. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you all for being here and your service. Dr. Soofer, if we studied the technical feasibility of mobile-capable ICBMs [intercontinental ballistic missiles], along with the advantages and disadvantages of those possible weapons, would we learn possible useful information? Dr. Soofer. I will ask General Rand to comment on that, but I can assure you that, as we conduct a Nuclear Posture Review, everything is on the table, and that is something that we will have to look at. General Rand. Sir, we have looked at that with the GBSD, and it is our best judgment that we do not go to mobile. I can talk more in the closed session on the reasons why. Mr. Lamborn. Okay. Thank you. I am going to ask General Klotz and Dr. Soofer another question. I am not a fan of the New START [Strategic Arms Reduction] Treaty. For one thing, it is a relic of the Cold War. It did not address emerging powers like China, just ourselves and the former Soviet Union. When it was passed, we now know the Russians were cheating on the INF [Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces] Treaty. And whether or not the Obama administration knew this, the Senators who voted on it did not know that fact. So I have been distressed because the Obama administration was quick to start the dismantling of our nuclear forces that were called for under the New START Treaty but slow to do the modernization that was promised as a hedge against losing capability. So, for either General Klotz or Dr. Soofer, please give an update on what we have left to do, what is remaining to be done to update our nuclear enterprise, which remains unfinished. General Klotz. Thank you, Congressman. On the NNSA, Department of Energy side, our priorities as far as sustaining and modernizing our nuclear enterprise, at the moment are focused on four major weapon systems that ride on either the Navy sea-launched ballistic missiles or the Air Force, two legs of the triad. So a level of effort, as I think I suggested in the opening comments, that we have not seen since the end of the Cold War. So we are also focused on making sure that, within the NNSA, within our nuclear enterprise, we have the scientific, technical, and engineering base, and the production infrastructure that is necessary to continue to sustain a moderate and effective nuclear arsenal, and also to be able to adapt or respond to any unexpected challenges, whether they are technical challenges or whether they are political military challenges. And our budget request for fiscal year 2018, I think, reflects the importance of making, continuing to make investments in this area. Mr. Lamborn. Okay. Let me follow up on that, and then we will get to Dr. Soofer. Even if we do everything in the budget that you recommend, and I hope we do, how much of a gap will we still have? I am just asking in general terms, not specific terms, for the public at large. General Klotz. I still think, as I was responding to Chairman Rogers' remarks, I still think we have underinvested in the nuclear enterprise since the end of the Cold War. It is almost as if, when the Berlin Wall went down and the Soviet Union collapsed, we all heaved a sigh of collective relief and said, ``Thank goodness, we don't have to worry about that anymore.'' And so, for the subsequent years, we didn't make the investments we needed. It was not a high priority, either in the services or, for that matter, in the Department of Energy. We have been trying to rectify that for a number of years now on both sides of the Potomac. But as I indicated, it took us a long time to get into this situation. It is going to take us a while to get out of it, but we are working it very, very hard. And with this particular budget, we make a huge down payment in some key critical areas that we need to continue sustaining our nuclear weapons stockpile and our infrastructure. There will be more to follow as we go through our process of deciding how best to recapitalize that. So I would expect, in next year's budget and in subsequent budgets, you will continue to see us place an emphasis on restoring our infrastructure. Mr. Lamborn. I know time is limited, Dr. Soofer. Dr. Soofer. I am sorry. Sir, your comments about the New START Treaty are well taken. In fact, when the Congress considered the New START Treaty, particularly the Senate, they realized that the disparity in tactical nuclear weapons, right, nonstrategic nuclear weapons, between Russia and China was something of great concern and that that needed to be addressed. And since then, Russia has actually increased the numbers of its nonstrategic nuclear weapons, and the INF Treaty violation is just one example. Mr. Lamborn. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield back. Mr. Rogers. The Chair now recognizes Mr. O'Rourke for 5 minutes. Mr. O'Rourke. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Admiral Benedict, I would like to get your comments and your thoughts on commonality between Navy and Air Force. My understanding is that you could have similar components for land-based deterrence and sub-launched deterrence. Do you feel that you have the level of cooperation with the Air Force necessary to do that? And, also, could you talk about just what that means in numbers in the budget? My understanding is we would, in a strategy like this one, likely spend a lot more upfront to save a lot more down the road. What are we looking at in terms of numbers? And any comments or thoughts you would like to share with us so that we are aware in the fiscal year 2018 budget and also, as we look ahead to future budget years, the kinds of factors that we need to be looking at to make sure this is a success. General Benedict. Yes, thank you for the question. I will provide my answer, and then I would like to offer, if it is okay with you, General Rand's comments on the subject. Commonality is an initiative that I have been pushing for a number of years through the concurrence of, at that time, Admiral Haney, out at STRATCOM [U.S. Strategic Command], and the two RDAs [research, development, and acquisition], the two assistants in the Navy and the Air Force. The Navy and the United States Air Force were directed to do a commonality study. That took about a year. We looked at a spectrum from totally common missile, to piece parts, to the programs of record. Obviously, we came through a technical analysis that said total commonality had a number of major technical challenges, as well as infrastructure challenges, which made doing that in today's environment financially--and from a schedule standpoint--unfeasible. The concern is the budget, and we all understand the budget to recapitalize. That has been discussed here. So what we came up with, at a fairly deep technical analysis, is opportunities in all the major subsystems. We worked those together, and we pushed that back up through the leadership chain. In parallel with that, the United States Air Force was running its preps for the Ground-Based Strategic Deterrence program. Their acquisition strategy was to turn that over to industry. All that information was passed to industry in a bidder's library. And so the industry partners who bid on the GBSD had the opportunity to draw from that library and submit that as part of their proposals. Those proposals are actually in process of review by the United States Air Force, and General Rand can talk to that. I think, once we see the results of that down-select as part of the Air Force process, then we are prepared with the Air Force to reengage and share and continue down the path of commonality. But right now, we are--I will say we are paused as the Air Force goes through its acquisition down-select, which is appropriate. Mr. O'Rourke. And I will allow General Rand to answer the question as well. So, if I understand, you have decided that total commonality doesn't make sense for the reasons that you gave. There will be some level of partial commonality. What I would like to know from General Rand and from you, Admiral, is the year in which we can expect the answer to the question that you are trying to get to that is currently paused. Admiral Benedict. If I may, I will just finish and then turn it over to General Rand. In terms of dollar cost savings, sir, I, again, I am going to contend that, based on the Air Force decision of down-select to two from the three potential bidders today to the final solution, I think we need to get to that final solution working through this down-select before we will be able to provide you a definitive dollar savings in the year. Mr. O'Rourke. When can we expect to get there? General Rand. Yes, sir. We are right now hopefully going to have a down-select to two competitors this summer. That will give us more fidelity. We will run the TMRR, the Technology Maturation Risk Reduction process, for 3 years with those two competitors, and then we will further down-select to the source in 2021. So it will take a little while to get some of this fidelity. If I may, sir, first of all, I am the requirements guy. I am not the acquisition. I don't drive acquisition strategy. We have set the requirements, and we have delivered those requirements as we see for GBSD. However, I do think there is a misconception, as Terry was talking about, of what commonality is. A D5 is not going to work in the land-based missile. It is not going to fit in our launch facilities. It would take a major overhaul to do that. So when you define ``commonality,'' the term that we have used is ``smart commonality'' and where can we have synergy together. We are looking at repair facilities, manufacturing processes, test capabilities. All those could significantly reduce redundant and multiple kind of platforms. And those are where the savings will be. So we are very supportive of commonality, but we believe in open competition, and that is where the acquisition strategy is driving us right now. Mr. O'Rourke. Thank you very much. Mr. Rogers. The Chair now recognizes the gentleman from Alabama, Mr. Brooks, for 5 minutes. Mr. Brooks. We just passed in the House Foreign Affairs Committee a resolution dealing with Venezuela and the economic circumstances that they face, and quite frankly, what Venezuela is going through is devastating. Seventy-five percent of their population has experienced a weight loss of at least 19 pounds over the past year because they cannot get enough calories and food to sustain their body weight. Medicines are now in short supply because the people can't afford them. The government can't afford them. You have got diseases that were once eradicated coming back, and the reason I bring up these topics is we have been warned by the Congressional Budget Office and by the Comptroller General of the United States of America and by the Government Accountability Office, that America's current financial path is unsustainable, which means that, in the future, we are risking a similar collapse. And you can imagine the adverse effect that would have on our military capabilities in particular if we go through the same thing that economic reality dictates is going to happen if we don't change our trajectory. That being the case, and I don't know if any of you all are in a position to answer this question, but what can you do in the areas that you oversee to increase efficiency so that taxpayers can get more bang for the buck, or in the alternative, what can you eliminate if the need arises, thereby saving money, that might reduce the dangers associated with our deficit? And if you can't do anything in the fields that you personally oversee, what do you think we should be doing on a larger scale to minimize our risk of a debilitating insolvency and bankruptcy that our financial gurus warn us is in our future? Admiral Benedict. Sir, thank you for the question, and I understand your point--Trident has been a program, Strategic Systems Programs has been in existence for 61 years, and as we build the new Columbia class, the Navy's number one priority in shipbuilding, that boat will be in the water through 2084. As I have looked at my contribution to that program, the strategic weapons system, we recently in discussions with Lockheed endorsed their plan to move our workforce out of an extremely high-cost area to two other locations within the United States which---- Mr. Brooks. I hope Alabama is on that list? Admiral Benedict. No, sir. Mr. Brooks. You might want to look at the cost of doing business in Alabama. Go ahead. I am sorry. Go ahead. Admiral Benedict. But, once we do this, and it is a very fast-paced move--we will move to Colorado and to Florida--the returned savings to the program is somewhere in excess of $55 million a year. So we understand our contribution to the strategic deterrent, to the triad, to the Nation. We also understand our responsibility to do so in the most cost- effective manner possible. So that is I would say one of the solution spaces that we constantly review and invoke within the program, given the long-term future that we have in support of this mission. Mr. Brooks. Vice Admiral Benedict, that is wonderful news. Does anybody else have any suggestions as to what we can do to try to protect America's financial status? Dr. Zangardi. In the area that I work in the, sir, in the CIO [Chief Information Officer] area, I am specifically tasked to look at effectiveness and efficiency, and I work very closely with the DCMO [Deputy Chief Management Officer] for the Department of Defense. And we are looking at competition, more importantly in the IT [information technology] space, if you will, much of what we procure is commercial off-the-shelf technology, so increased use of commercial off-the-shelf technology where we don't engage in making changes to it. So imposing and using change management to constrain costs in the procurement of business systems is very important, I know not directly related to this, but the savings you generate from those systems can be used for other purposes. For example, we are looking at the Defense Travel System right now, and we are looking at moving to commercial applications. I am currently assessing pilots to put in place about 15,000 to 30,000 users to see how it goes and eventually to move to something that is commercial with very little change management. Mr. Brooks. Thank you, Dr. Zangardi. We are running out of time. I have got 10 seconds. I would strongly encourage each of you to do whatever you can to try to put more efficiency into the Federal acquisition process, particularly the Federal acquisition regulatory process. In my experience and observation over the decades, it seems that the procurement process has gotten drawn out more and more at higher and higher cost, and there has to be a way to fix that. Thank you for your time and insight. Mr. Rogers. I thank the gentleman. The Chair now recognizes the gentleman from New Jersey, Mr. Norcross, for 5 minutes. Mr. Norcross. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Klotz, I want to follow up on your comments on MOX. I was down there last year, and some of the numbers that you were quoting are in direct contradiction to what we saw and what we heard in terms of the percentage finished of the plan. Literally, a few weeks ago, we allocated $345 million, and you said, in year 2018, we had $279 million. What is that being used for if you are canceling the project? General Klotz. The actual amount would be $270 for the MOX Fuel Fabrication Facility itself. There is another $9 million that is associated with other aspects of our plutonium disposition mission. In any large government contract, particularly one, a large construction effort that has been underway for some years in South Carolina, there are termination costs. There are a series of steps we have to take dictated by statute and dictated by our own regulations to wind down a contract. So, if the Congress agrees with the administration's proposal to terminate MOX, then we will come back to you with a specific plan as to what we have to do to meet those regulatory requirements and at the same time how we will proceed with the facility that has been constructed thus far. Mr. Norcross. So a half a billion dollars for termination fees? General Klotz. I would be happy to come back to you and lay out what the costs are associated with termination. Mr. Norcross. So, a year ago, they were almost 70 percent complete. I assume they got further along? General Klotz. Well, we don't, quite frankly, and with respect to those who calculate a higher percentage, the standard practice for calculating percent complete, at least within the Federal Government, is costs already expensed and costs to go. So, if you accept our estimates--or you don't have to take my estimates. The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for the total project cost is $17 billion. We have already spent, as I indicated, $5 billion. That would leave $12 billion to go. So 5 divided by 12 is less than 50 percent. So our assumption of the way in which we calculate percent complete is different than others have calculated it. Mr. Norcross. Certainly, then, we have to get to the bottom of that because we are talking some considerable money as compared to what we just heard about a few minutes ago. I yield back. Mr. Rogers. The Chair now recognizes the gentleman from South Carolina, Chairman Wilson, for 5 minutes. Mr. Wilson. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And thank you Chairman Mike Rogers for your leadership of the subcommittee with the bipartisan input of Ranking Member Jim Cooper. Again, thank each of you for your service. It is extraordinary on behalf of our Nation. And, of course, General Klotz, I am keenly interested in the Mixed Oxide Fuel Fabrication Facility. Last year, Congress thoughtfully, in a bipartisan manner, rejected the prior administration's shortsighted proposal to terminate the Mixed Oxide Fuel Fabrication Facility, the MOX Program, which is 70 percent completed in the area of South Carolina and Georgia. The Congress had many concerns with alternatives, including the legal, regulatory, and political issues with storing the entirety of 34 metric tons; the fact that it does not comply with the Plutonium Management Disposition Agreement, PMDA, with the Russian Federation; and the fact that Congress does still not have a complete valid cost estimate of the MOX program because the Department of Energy never completed a full rebaseline. Ultimately, the authorizers and appropriators both agreed to continue construction of MOX as the best path forward and included legislative text requiring it in the fiscal year 2015, 2016, and 2017. And the question: Has an industrial-scale dilute and dispose method with weapons-grade plutonium ever been done before? If not, what is the--if not processed, what is the timeline for removal from South Carolina and Georgia? General Klotz. Thank you very much, Congressman Wilson. In terms of what we know about dilute and dispose, we already have 5 metric tons of diluted plutonium largely from the Rocky Flats facility that used to be in Colorado in WIPP as we speak. We have also diluted plutonium that existed at South Carolina--was in South Carolina and have shipped that to WIPP. In fact, we have done three shipments already this year since. As was alluded to earlier, WIPP has reopened for operations. I went down to WIPP about a month or so ago and personally toured the site and was briefed on what they believe the capacity of WIPP is to hold not only nonweapons-grade plutonium but all 34 metric tons, and I came away from that quite convinced that 34 metric tons can fit within the WIPP facility. So the other, I think, very, very interesting point about this whole process is it allows us to get plutonium out of the State of South Carolina far sooner than would be the case with MOX. Mr. Wilson. Let's get to that now, because WIPP is not industrial grade now, but you are describing something industrial grade. And what is the timeline? And, specifically, how many years are you talking about, because my constituents are very concerned about it being a dump and a disposal area, which puts our region at risk. General Klotz. Well, I don't understand the term industrial---- Mr. Wilson. Capability to truly process a large amount. General Klotz. Yes. We have the ability to--what we would have to do is--like I said, we are already processing plutonium at Savannah River. What it would require would be adding---- Mr. Wilson. Back again, because time is running out. What is the timeline? My constituents and the people of South Carolina and Georgia would like to know. General Klotz. Let me give you the specific timeline. It is not showing up on what I have right here sitting in front of me. But I will tell you it is far faster than anything that can be done with MOX. Mr. Wilson. And that timeline would be? Because the reprocessing is going, but what you are describing could take years. General Klotz. Okay. Here is our estimate: If we went down what we call the Surplus Plutonium Disposition Project, we expect that we would complete the work that we need to do that by 2027 and plutonium disposition would begin in 2028 and end in 2049. If we go down the MOX route, we would not complete the project until 2048. That is, my rough calculation, 20-some odd years later, and we would not begin disposing of plutonium through a MOX facility until the year 2050 to 2051, assuming that we get all the NRC [Nuclear Regulatory Council] licensing completed, and plutonium disposition would not end until 2065, which is, again, 15, 20 years after what we would be able to do with the surplus--the approach we would like. The main difference, however, is the total project cost for MOX we estimate to be $17 billion. The total project cost for the surplus disposal that we have suggested, right now we have a range of $200 million to $500 million to do that. And if Congress gives us the authority---- Mr. Wilson. My time is up. And please look at the--we want it removed by reprocessing the weapons-grade plutonium. What you are describing is, I consider, long term. But thank you very much. Mr. Rogers. I thank the gentleman. The Chair now recognizes the gentlelady from Hawaii, Ms. Hanabusa, for 5 minutes. Ms. Hanabusa. Thank you, Mr. Chair. I am going to direct this question to Dr. Soofer because of the fact that your testimony referenced it. We are in the process of doing the Nuclear Posture Review--or you are in the process of doing that. And I think it is a review that is usually done every 5 to 10 years. I think the last one was in 2010. My question is really one more practicality. We have heard people take positions on the triad and what we should be funding. I think even the Secretary of Defense at one time had taken a position questioning whether or not the triad is the way to go. We have someone who we have all listened to in terms of his review of the QDR [Quadrennial Defense Review], and that, of course, is former Secretary of Defense William Perry at Stanford, who has said, basically, he doesn't like the triad system and questions the whole use of long-range missiles, for example. And I think, at one point, he even questioned whether we should have the concentration of ICBMs as well. So, given that and given the fact that this review isn't going to be done until the end of the year--and I understand that we should continue along the way--decisions that are to be made on major expenditures, such as the new bomber, B-21s, and all the different types of what is expected to do the nuclear defense posture for this country, how do you justify that at this particular point in time where we have got people whose opinions some of us value, I think most of us at least will pay attention to--how can you come before us and take a position when we know that there is at least enough of a concern that the posture has been required to be reviewed? Dr. Soofer. Thank you, Congresswoman. I think there is a sense we--we feel there is a sense of urgency to get on with the program of record, because the current systems will age out within the next 10 to 15 years. And if we do not begin or continue the process of acquiring new systems, there will be a gap in deterrence capability. The previous administration has laid in a nuclear modernization program that, again, appears to be consistent with general principles of nuclear deterrence. We will examine these principles and determine in light of the new strategic environment whether they still obtain. But there are some basic fundamentals, such as maintaining a nuclear triad, that the Secretary of Defense has already endorsed. And so, quite frankly, it is just a sense of urgency that, if we do not continue the programs this year, there may be a gap if it is ultimately determined that the systems are needed. Ms. Hanabusa. Well, I understand that the Secretary may have said he is endorsing it now, but there was a point in time, maybe it was before he became Defense Secretary, that he called into question the premise of the triad as well. And the fact that the NPR has basically now been mandated is problematic. I understand--the urgency that we speak about here, theoretically, I understand all of that, however, we have never had such an emphasis, that I recall, where most of the briefings that we have had in a very short period of time has concentrated on our nuclear position. And I understand it is probably triggered by Russia, China, and North Korea. However, the concept of developing a systematic posture and to review that posture seems to be one that we need to be very certain about that threat and how we best address that threat. And that is why, for the expenditures that we are being asked to authorize, how do we know that this is the best way for us to proceed? And I am out of time. So we may have to take---- General Rand. If I may, ma'am, I need to comment on one comment that you made about the B-21. We can have the discussion about the nuclear posture and the triad, but the B- 21 will be a dual-capable airplane. There is a requirement for long-range strike conventionally, and that will be, obviously, what that airplane would be doing. Any delay to that program would be devastating. Our newest bomber is 25 years old. Ms. Hanabusa. I understand that, General. The question is more a matter of number, whether it is 100 or 200. We have heard two numbers. That is a huge amount of numbers, but shouldn't we know whether---- General Rand. The requirement right now is for 100 B-21s. Ms. Hanabusa. Mr. Chair, I yield back. I think that votes were called. Mr. Rogers. The gentlelady's time has expired. The Chair now recognizes the gentleman from Tennessee, Dr. DesJarlais, for 5 minutes. Dr. DesJarlais. I thank the Chair. This will be a question for Ms. Cange and General Klotz. During our Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee hearing in March on NNSA's deferred maintenance and infrastructure challenges, we briefly discussed how certain OMB directives have negatively impacted NNSA's ability to get after its decaying infrastructure. In particular, OMB Management Procedures Memorandum 2015-01 was identified as a huge problem, because it, perhaps unintentionally, slows NNSA's ability to tear down old buildings and build new ones. General Klotz can you give us your personal views on that OMB memorandum and whether it impedes NNSA from making smart decisions and moving efficiently to deal with infrastructure problems? General Klotz. Thank you very much for that question. I think the intent behind the directive, which is, as you build new buildings, you ought to dispose of excess facilities, is a good one. In the--when I was in the Air Force, the rule used to be: Build a building, tear a building down. Otherwise, you see this behavior where people start to move into those buildings which you have moved out of, and you still have an infrastructure issue. However, I think the notion that you have to do this simultaneously is more constraining than it needs to be. I hear anecdotally, I haven't had a chance to get the empirical data on that, that maybe some site directors would choose to wait to build a new building until they knew they had enough money that they could dispose of an older building. So I would like to see--it is good intent, but I would like to see a little more flexibility in terms of how we actually balance new construction with demolition and disposition of old buildings. Dr. DesJarlais. Okay. And, General, I understand your budget request would put an additional $195 million above the fiscal year 2017 appropriated level toward deferred maintenance and repair needs at NNSA and that you, Ms. Cange, have a line in your budget for $225 million to deal with four excess facilities at Y-12 and Lawrence Livermore. This is good news, but I need to ask you, General Klotz, could you execute additional money on deferred maintenance and repair needs if it was provided by Congress? General Klotz. The backlog of deferred maintenance is so large that what we have asked is not going to buy all of it down. So it is a question of, you know, timing in terms of which the money comes. We do have--there are some capacity limits in terms of local craft and companies to be able to do that. The other challenge we have at NNSA, and this is where Ms. Cange could--has to help us out is many of the facilities you have, particularly facilities in Y-12 and our other laboratories are contaminated with, you know, either radioactive materials or other contaminants, and we have to go through the process of decontaminating those facilities first before we can do the standard, you know, demolition of that. So there are some significant costs associated with some of our--some of our facilities. Dr. DesJarlais. So the $3.7 billion backlog isn't going to get fixed without additional funding in all likelihood? General Klotz. Well, thanks to this committee's strong support, we stabilized the level of deferred maintenance we had in fiscal year 2016. With 2017, we will see it--we will see it decrease slightly, modestly. And if the Congress supports the fiscal year 2018 budget, we will continue that downward slope. I am might add, again, through the support of Congress, one of the good news things that came out of the passage of the omnibus, fiscal year 2017 omnibus bill, is we will be able to proceed with the demolition of the Bannister Federal Complex in Kansas City, which is a 5-million-square-foot facility, World War II facility, of which we used about 3 million. That is now--with the funding provided by the Congress, we will now be able to go ahead and do that and also save the Federal Government a considerable amount of money in how we do that by allowing a private developer to do the demolition and the remediation of the property. Dr. DesJarlais. Okay. Ms. Cange, do you expect to continue into fiscal year 2019 and beyond the excess facilities line with environmental management program? I think it is a great idea, and I would encourage you to continue it, but is that your intent? Ms. Cange. Yes, we certainly hope to be able to continue to address excess contaminated facilities across the DOE complex. I will mention that the 2016 report to Congress that the Department submitted on excess contaminated facilities estimates approximately $32 billion to address all of the excess facilities across the Department's entire complex. Dr. DesJarlais. All right. Thank you. And I yield back. Mr. Rogers. Okay. We have about 9 minutes left to vote. So I am going to go ahead and try to get Mr. Garamendi in before we head over to the Chamber, and then we will come back after votes for the closed session. The gentleman is recognized. Mr. Garamendi. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Obviously, all of this is extremely important. I want to go to follow up on Mr. O'Rourke's questions about commonality, and, specifically, Admiral Benedict, you have a couple of new bombs that are being reworked, the W-88 and W-76. Are those--my understanding is those are supposed to last some 20 years or more into the future? Is that correct? Admiral Benedict. Sir, our planning factors are--the life- extension programs are 30-year extensions to the existing life of the weapon itself. Mr. Garamendi. Okay. So some 30 years. Do you need the interoperable weapon? Admiral Benedict. Sir, at the direction of the Nuclear Weapons Council, the Navy, the Air Force, and NNSA were directed to conduct a study. That study was scheduled to commence in 2020, and we will do both the technical analysis of the IW [interoperable warhead] as well as the cost analysis. That information will be presented approximately late 2021, 2022 to the Nuclear Weapons Council for review, concurrence, and approval, if they so deem so. Mr. Garamendi. I am sorry. Late 2021, 2022, what is that? Admiral Benedict. 2020, 2021. Mr. Garamendi. For the next 3 years, we will continue to spend money on the interoperable---- Admiral Benedict. We will spend money to do the technical analysis between the services and NNSA---- Mr. Garamendi. If I--excuse me. Admiral Benedict. Yes, sir. Mr. Garamendi. Back and forth here and I hope in a way that it is not--so if you have a--two weapons that currently work on the missiles and your missiles are good for 30 years and your weapons are good for 30 years, do you ever need an interoperable for those 30 years? Admiral Benedict. Sir, I would say--and then I will defer to General Klotz here for one second--the Navy does not have a requirement for a third reentry body. However, as we look at the complex in total, this issue of IW is larger than just a single Navy issue. It involves Navy, Air Force, and the NNSA. Mr. Garamendi. So where would the Air Force use this new interoperable? General Klotz. If I could, Congressman Garamendi, the-- first of all, there is no money in the NNSA account for working on the interoperable. Mr. Garamendi. There is some money somewhere. General Klotz. Well, not explicitly for interoperable in ours. We--recall, a few years ago, we deferred the need date for that until 2030. So our expectation as we have laid it out is we will begin the very serious work on that in 2020 because it is about a 10-year process. And the reason why we have been proceeding down the path of having an interoperable is there is an Air Force system that will require a life-extension program in about the 2030 timeframe. That is the W78 warhead. So there was--the thinking when this strategy was developed was, well, if we are going to do a life-extension program to an Air Force system, wouldn't it make sense in terms of long-term cost and efficiency if, as you did that particular warhead, you designed it in such a way that it could be used by both the Air Force and the Navy and subsequent interoperable warheads so that you had some commonality beyond back and forth between the two services as you got in the 2030, 2040, 2050 timeframe. Mr. Garamendi. And your 50 to 80 new pits--your requirement for 50 to 80 new pits, plutonium pits, is it based on this interoperable scheme that is somewhere out there in the future? Mr. Klotz. It is based on a number of factors. One the factors is requirements for, you know, the next series of life- extension programs, which would include the interoperable warhead---- Mr. Garamendi. We don't have too much time to get into this, but I really want to get into this in great detail, because it seems to me that we are about to spend billions of dollars to do something that ultimately isn't going to happen. This interoperable warhead, I'm looking over here at the Navy and they're saying, not for 30 years. And I haven't had a chance to get to General Rand about this, but I would like know exactly when his 30-year period is going to begin. And I am out of time, and we have votes, and thank you so very, very much. Mr. Rogers. I thank the gentleman. Just in closing, before we recess to meet after votes in the SCIF [secure compartmented information facility] for the closed session, I want to put on the record, General Rand, in 2006, the Air Force identified the UH-1N helicopter is not effective for the ICBM security mission. Last year, Secretary James recommended an acquisition strategy that would have sole- sourced these helicopters. Secretary Carter then shelved that strategy and directed full and open competition. General Rand, can you commit that you will make it clear to the entire Air Force that anyone who attempts to interfere with the acquisition of this capability will have absolute hell to pay? General Rand. Yes, sir. Mr. Rogers. Thank you, sir. We are in recess. 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General Klotz, would you please describe to us why Secretary Moniz tasked the three NNSA laboratory directors to carry out the study titled ``U.S. Nuclear Deterrence in the Coming Decades''? What did it examine and why? What were some of its high-level conclusions? General Klotz. Secretary Moniz tasked this study as part of the Department's mission to ensure an effective U.S. nuclear deterrent through the application of science, technology and engineering. The Department of Energy (DOE) strives to ensure U.S. nuclear capabilities meet the challenges of known and future geopolitical and technology trends. The 2014 tri-laboratory study 1) examined known and projected future characteristics of global nuclear stability; 2) provided perspective on the evolution of U.S. strategic deterrence; 3) assessed current policy and programs; 4) examined potential future geopolitical and technological trends and scenarios that test the robustness of U.S. capabilities; and 5) outlined preliminary recommendations and areas meriting further study. The study examined these topics to challenge U.S. thinking about DOE programs of record and inform future decisions to reduce the risk of technological or geopolitical surprise. The three national laboratories agreed that the United States needed to take action to ensure that U.S. nuclear capabilities can meet the challenges of emerging geopolitical and technological trends. A key recommendation was to conduct and periodically update a comprehensive assessment of the current and emerging threats to the effectiveness of the U.S. nuclear deterrent, including the review of options to address identified gaps. Mr. Rogers. Please tell us about the Joint Strategic Deterrence Review (JSDR) process that was created in December 2016? Why was it created and what does it do? How does the Trump administration view the JSDR process? How is it incorporating this type of process into the Nuclear Posture Review? General Klotz. The Joint Strategic Deterrence Review (JSDR) was a recommendation that came out of the deterrence study that was tasked to the national laboratory directors. The Deputy Secretaries of Energy and Defense signed a memorandum of agreement on JSDR to strengthen Department of Defense, Department of Energy and the Intelligence Community cooperation in analyzing potential threats to the United States' ability to maintain strategic deterrence as well as potential options for mitigating those threats. Each new Administration since the mid-1990s has conducted a Nuclear Posture Review. This Administration has followed suit and has directed an NPR to be conducted to ensure the U.S. nuclear deterrent is modern, robust, flexible, resilient, ready, and appropriately tailored to deter 21st-century threats and reassure our allies. NNSA will contribute to DOD's review, which will account for a broad range of views. All NPR deliberations are under executive privilege and not releasable. The NPR will be in full accord with the President's direction given in the National Security Presidential Memorandum on Rebuilding the U.S. Armed Forces from January 27, 2017. Mr. Rogers. The bad idea fairy seems to visiting some folks in this town and proposing that we should defer spending on the LRSO and GBSD programs until the Nuclear Posture Review is complete. Does the administration support this idea? General Klotz. The Fiscal Year 2018 President's Budget Request for NNSA supports the program of record for W80-4 Life Extension Program, which is intended for integration into the Air Force's Long Range Stand-off (LRSO) cruise missile, as determined by the Nuclear Weapons Council. Both the LRSO and the Ground-Based Strategic Deterrent (GBSD) are Air Force programs of record. Mr. Rogers. Looking at the Trump administration's FY18 budget request for DOD nuclear forces and NNSA's nuclear weapons activities, is there more consistency between the Obama administration's plans, or more difference? Does the FY18 budget request in these areas deviate from the Obama administration's plans in any very substantial way? General Klotz. The Fiscal Year (FY) 2018 President's Budget Request continues the program of record detailed in the FY 2017 Stockpile Stewardship and Management Plan. NNSA's Weapons Activities budget includes planned increases to the program of record as well as increases to adapt to emerging changes, such as updates to the baseline costs for the B61-12 Life Extension Program and the W88 Alteration 370. Mr. Rogers. Please tell us about the Joint Strategic Deterrence Review (JSDR) process that was created in December 2016? Why was it created and what does it do? How does the Trump administration view the JSDR process? How is it incorporating this type of process into the Nuclear Posture Review? Dr. Soofer. The JSDR is a joint project between the Department of Defense and the Department of Energy to ensure our nuclear programs remain informed by the future threat environment. Because we will be fielding recapitalized forces decades from now, it is important we anticipate the future operational environment so these forces can perform their intended functions. The Nuclear Posture Review is similarly focused on both the current and future threat environments, and is informed by the work of the JSDR. Mr. Rogers. The bad idea fairy seems to visiting some folks in this town and proposing that we should defer spending on the LRSO and GBSD programs until the Nuclear Posture Review is complete. Does the administration support this idea? Dr. Soofer. No, the Administration does not support any delay to these programs and requested full funding for these and all other nuclear recapitalization programs. Further delays in recapitalizing our nuclear forces could create critical capability gaps and undermine our ability to meet deterrence requirements as our current forces age out of service. At this critical juncture in the LRSO and GBSD programs, deferring or reducing funding would lead to significant delays and effectively prejudge the outcome of the Nuclear Posture Review. Therefore, we urge Congress to continue its ongoing support for the current recapitalization programs as we conduct the Nuclear Posture Review. Should the Administration conclude that changes to these programs are required, we will work with Congress to adjust accordingly. Mr. Rogers. What are the consequences if we were to defer spending on LRSO and GBSD until we have a completed Nuclear Posture Review in hand? How would that impact the programs and the Air Force's ability to meet STRATCOM's requirements and schedules? Dr. Soofer. There is virtually no schedule margin between legacy system age out and the deployment of modernized replacement systems. As a result, delays in recapitalizing our nuclear forces could create critical capability gaps and undermine our ability to meet deterrence requirements as our current forces age out of service. At this critical juncture in the LRSO and GBSD programs, deferring or reducing funding would lead to significant delays and effectively prejudge the outcome of the Nuclear Posture Review. Therefore, it is essential that we continue to support the current program of record in order to ensure the U.S. maintains a credible, effective nuclear deterrent into the future. Mr. Rogers. Looking at the Trump administration's FY18 budget request for DOD nuclear forces and NNSA's nuclear weapons activities, is there more consistency between the Obama administration's plans, or more difference? Does the FY18 budget request in these areas deviate from the Obama administration's plans in any very substantial way? Dr. Soofer. The fiscal year (FY) 2018 budget for DOD nuclear forces and NNSA's nuclear weapons activities reflects more continuity than change. The FY 2018 budget supports, as did the FY 2017 budget, continued recapitalization of each element of our nuclear forces and infrastructure. Mr. Rogers. What would be the consequences, risks, or benefits of delaying or cancelling key nuclear modernization programs--such as the GBSD land-based missile, the B-21 bomber, the long-range stand off (LRSO) cruise missile, or the new Columbia-class submarine? How firm is the need for the current schedules for these programs--is there room for slipping their schedules? Do you believe these programs are executable on-schedule and on-budget, if they are funded on-time by Congress? Dr. Soofer. There is virtually no schedule margin between legacy system age out and the deployment of modernized replacement systems. As a result, further delays in recapitalizing our nuclear forces would create critical capability gaps and undermine our ability to meet deterrence requirements as our current forces age out of service. Therefore, it is essential that we continue to support the current program of record in order to ensure the U.S. maintains a credible, effective nuclear deterrent into the future. We appreciate Congress' continued support for these vital development efforts, and we are making every effort to ensure these programs deliver on-time and within budget. However, we need everyone to understand that our choice is not whether or not to modernize our forces now or later. Rather, the choice is between modernizing those forces or watching an unacceptable degradation in our ability to field a safe, secure, and effective nuclear force--an outcome that incurs significant risk in our ability to deter strategic threats to the nation. Mr. Rogers. CBO has recently estimated the cost of sustaining, operating, and modernizing our nuclear deterrent to be $400 billion over the next 10 years, including both DOD and NNSA costs. Do you agree with this estimate? CBO estimates this $400 billion represents roughly 6 percent of the total defense budget during this time period. Do you believe this is an appropriate amount to be spending on nuclear deterrence? Dr. Soofer. The DOD expects nuclear recapitalization costs to total approximately $230-$290 billion from FY 2018 to FY 2040, in constant FY 2018 dollars. This projection includes the total cost of nuclear-only systems, and a portion of the cost of the B-21 bomber, which will have both conventional and nuclear roles. The DOD projection for total recapitalization cost also includes modernizing nuclear command, control, and communications systems. I would defer to my Department of Energy colleagues for specifics relating to estimated NNSA costs. U.S. nuclear weapons deter the only existential threat to the Nation. The nuclear enterprise is affordable if nuclear deterrence is prioritized appropriately. During the coming period of increased recapitalization spending, nuclear forces will remain a small fraction of the DOD budget--with annual funding levels that are projected to range from approximately 3 percent to 6 percent of total defense spending. This includes spending to sustain and operate the existing force--currently about $12-14 billion per year--as well as recapitalization spending to develop and field modernized replacements. Mr. Rogers. Do you think that NATO allies should be asked to share part of the costs of the B61 Life Extension Program (LEP)? Would having the NATO allies pay for part of the LEP be contrary to the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty? Dr. Soofer. Forward-deployment of B61s is a key aspect of our commitment to extend deterrence to our NATO Allies in Europe. NATO has repeatedly affirmed the role of nuclear deterrence as a core element of its defense strategy and posture, including in the July 2016 Warsaw Summit Communique. It is not in the best interest of the United States to ask NATO Allies to provide direct funding of the B61 LEP. The B61 LEP is a key element of our strategic Triad as well as our extended deterrence posture around the world, and is not solely focused on the deterrence and defense of NATO. Further, allied funding would almost certainly create a perception problem regarding U.S. and allied compliance with the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty (NPT). Mr. Rogers. We know there are military requirements on the books that the U.S. cannot meet because of our adherence to the INF Treaty-- the treaty that Russia continues to violate. General Selva and others have said that they see no indication the Russians will ever return to compliance with this treaty. How does the Trump administration view this violation and Russia's other arms control violations? What response options are being pursued? When will decisions be made on this and plans announced? Dr. Soofer. Currently we are able to satisfy both our military requirements as well as remain in compliance with the Intermediate- range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty. Although there is a military requirement to prosecute targets at ranges covered by the INF Treaty, those systems do not have to be ground-based. However, ground-based systems would increase both the operational flexibility and the scale of our intermediate-range strike capabilities. The Administration is conducting an extensive review of Russia's ongoing INF Treaty violation in order to assess the security implications to the United States and its allies and partners. The status quo is untenable and the Administration is considering potential response options that could address the threat and also remind Russia why it agreed to the INF Treaty in the first place. The United States must consider all possibilities in developing our response including a world without the INF Treaty. Mr. Rogers. A United Nations disarmament panel recently released its first draft of a proposed global treaty to ban nuclear weapons. The U.S. and other nuclear powers have all boycotted these negotiations. What is the Trump administration's position on this treaty? Are these negotiations damaging the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty? How would this treaty affect our ability to uphold our extended deterrence and assurance commitments? How might it affect our ability to forward- deploy nuclear weapons and nuclear-capable aircraft? What would be the U.S. view towards any of our allies that might support or sign onto this treaty? Dr. Soofer. The Administration strongly opposes a nuclear weapons ban treaty, which completely disregards the realities of the international security environment that make nuclear deterrence necessary. The proposed ban treaty would not result in the elimination of a single nuclear weapon and would not enhance any country's security. Instead, such a treaty risks creating an unbridgeable divide among the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty (NPT) Parties, further polarizing the political environment. Although the draft treaty clearly attempts to undermine the legitimacy of extended deterrence--our extended deterrence partners have been clear that they will not support a treaty that is in conflict with NATO policy, with our alliance commitments, or with the NPT. Mr. Rogers. The last Nuclear Posture Review (NPR) was published 7 years ago. The world was very different in 2010, particularly when talking about Russia. Today, it's hard to see Russia as the partner and friend like the 2010 NPR envisioned. Would you please provide us your on what has changed in the world since the 2010 NPR? How will this affect the NPR and its deliberations? Dr. Soofer. The Nuclear Posture Review's analytical process will include a full assessment of the strategic environment, including what has changed since the 2010 NPR. Recent years have indeed brought changes to the security environment that U.S. nuclear policy must address. Russia has undertaken aggressive actions against its neighbors and threatened the United States and its NATO Allies--including nuclear threats. It has elevated strategies of nuclear first use in its strategic thinking and military exercises, is modernizing a large and diverse non-strategic nuclear weapons force, and is violating the landmark Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty. While Russia presents significant set of challenges, it is only one element of an increasingly complex global strategic environment. The President directed the Department of Defense to review U.S. nuclear posture and ensure that our nuclear forces are modern, robust, flexible, resilient, ready, and appropriately tailored to deter 21st-century threats and reassure our allies and partners. Mr. Rogers. How important are dual-capable aircraft to the U.S. nuclear posture? Do they constitute a critical and necessary component of our nuclear deterrence and assurance? Dr. Soofer. Yes. U.S. dual-capable aircraft are a critical and necessary component of U.S. nuclear posture. The United States must continue to maintain the capability to forward-deploy dual-capable aircraft as part of its extended nuclear deterrence posture. Mr. Rogers. What role do dual-capable aircraft serve in the deterrence posture of the NATO alliance? What are the consequences that would result from a delay in the initial operating capability of dual- capable F-35 to our NATO allies? Dr. Soofer. The Department of Defense projects no significant delay in the delivery of dual-capable F-35A fighters to our NATO Allies. The F-35 program maintains schedule margins to account for various risks of short-term delay, and those margins remain adequate today. A longer- term delay could impact the ability of Allies to support the dual- capable aircraft (DCA) mission. Therefore, it is essential that the program remain fully-funded and mitigate schedule risk. Mr. Rogers. What role do dual-capable aircraft serve in our deterrence and assurance posture on the Korean Peninsula? Dr. Soofer. The United States maintains the capability to forward- deploy nuclear weapons with heavy bombers and dual-capable aircraft in support of extended deterrence and assurance of U.S. Allies and partners. Deployment of DCA signals U.S. resolve and commitment, and provides a forceful reminder to an adversary that might be contemplating aggression. The United States remains firmly committed to the defense of the Republic of Korea and to strengthening extended deterrence using all elements of national power, including the U.S. nuclear umbrella, as well as conventional strike and missile defense capabilities. Mr. Rogers. What are the consequences if we were to defer spending on LRSO and GBSD until we have a completed Nuclear Posture Review in hand? How would that impact the programs and the Air Force's ability to meet STRATCOM's requirements and schedules? General Rand. Ground-Based Strategic Deterrent (GBSD) is the nation's replacement program for the aging Minuteman III (MMIII) weapon system. The GBSD program is currently funded through the Technology Maturation Risk Reduction (TMRR) (concept design) phase of the program (2020). We expect the TMRR contract to be awarded in the 4th Quarter Fiscal Year 2017. Public sources identify the Nuclear Posture Review as being completed by the end of the year 2017. If spending was delayed beyond the end of TMRR in 2020, there will be a significant sustainment cost to support continued MMIII operations through 2035 and beyond. MMIII reliability and effectiveness will continue to degrade and it will be difficult to maintain a plausible deterrent force that meets warfighter needs with assets falling below New START levels in 2030. For example, MMIII flight system (or missile itself) begins to age out in 2026 followed by obsolescence and attrition of assets affecting other crticial weapons systems and facilities issues that have only received minimum sustainment pending a major upgrade such as GBSD. Long-Range Standoff Weapon (LRSO) is the replacement for the aging Air Launched Cruise Missile (ALCM), which was designed in the 1970s, fielded in the 1980s is twenty years past its 10-year life expectancy. ALCM is no longer cost effective to maintain past 2030 an in future years, enemy air defense modernization will challenge ALCM's penetration capability. Additionally, testing attrition is depleting the inventory. LRSO is currently on schedule to meet its threshold Initial Operational Capability (IOC) date of 2030: just in time replacement for the ALCM. Deferred spending on LRSO will delay IOC and the United States would lose significant deterrence/assurance capability. Down-select will occur in August, and if spending were delayed to wait on a signed Nuclear Posture Review, numerous waterfall effects would occur. Of note, numerous bomber and facility modernization and upgrade tests would be impacted, as these test are waiting on LRSO to ``set the stage'' or lay the infrastructure for them. Additionally, the LRSO schedule is aligned with its associated warhead, the W80-4, and a delay in the cruise missile will have significant negative effects on the warhead development and production schedule. Mr. Rogers. Please describe the military requirements that are driving U.S. nuclear modernization plans in your respective services. What do we see other countries doing and how does that impact our requirements? How does aging or vulnerabilities in our own U.S. nuclear forces impact requirements and modernization plans? General Rand. [The information provided is classified and retained in the committee files.] Mr. Rogers. What would be the consequences, risks, or benefits of delaying or cancelling key nuclear modernization programs--such as the GBSD land-based missile, the B-21 bomber, the long-range stand off (LRSO) cruise missile, or the new Columbia-class submarine? How firm is the need for the current schedules for these programs--is there room for slipping their schedules? Do you believe these programs are executable on-schedule and on-budget, if they are funded on-time by Congress? General Rand. If the Air Force does not develop and produce the B- 21, the U.S. will lose bomber penetration capabilities in highly contested threat areas. The B-21 will support the nuclear Triad, providing a visible and flexible nuclear deterrent capability that will reassure allies and partners. A fleet size of 100 B-21s is appropriate and ensures sustained high-end conventional operations while supporting the nuclear Triad as a visible and flexible deterrent to assure allies and partners. Analysis has shown that the B-21 is needed to address decreasing survivability and combat capabilities in our current bomber force, ensuring penetration capabilities in highly contested combat airspace. Delaying B-21 production or procuring any less than 100 B-21s will have a detrimental impact on the B-21 contract, causing increases in the average procurement unit cost and total program cost similar to what was seen with the B-2 program. Global Strike Command has developed its Bomber Vector based on the current B-21 development and production schedule. The Bomber Vector lays out planned modernization, sustainment, and aircraft retirement plans. Any delays or decreases to the B-21 program will result in capability gaps and/or Bomber Vector adjustments requiring additional modernization programs, manpower solutions, and costly force mix decisions. Ground-Based Strategic Deterrent (GBSD) is the nation's replacement program for the aging Minuteman III (MMIII) weapon system. The GBSD program is currently funded through the Technology Maturation Risk Reduction (TMRR) (concept design) phase of the program (2020). We expect the TMRR contract to be awarded in the 4th Quarter Fiscal Year 2017. Public sources identify the Nuclear Posture Review as being completed by the end of the year 2017. If the program was delayed beyond the end of TMRR in 2020, there will be a significant sustainment cost to support continued MMIII operations through 2035 and beyond. MMIII reliability and effectiveness will continue to degrade and it will be difficult to maintain a plausible deterrent force that meets warfighter needs with assets falling below New START levels in 2030. For example, MMIII flight system (or missile itself) begins to age out in 2026 followed by obsolescence and attrition of assets affecting other critical weapons systems and facilities issues that have only received minimum sustainment pending a major upgrade such as GBSD. GBSD is just in time, no room to slip, to meet critical MMIII age out, obsolescence and asset depletion/attrition issues. The program is ready to execute and award the TMRR contract on time and on schedule. If we do not develop and produce the Long Range Stand Off missile (LRSO), the U.S. could lose the following capacities. Deterring potential adversaties from nuclear weapon usage--central to today's national security strategy. Deterrence requires a range of US military capabilities and LRSO is a key piece of this strategy. An option the president currently has and a capability that our peers/near-peers already have or are developing. Flexible stand-off capability supports hedge requirements in the event another leg of the Triad encounters issues. LRSO allows the U.S. to continue to impose costs on potential adversaries long into the future, as it provides continued flexibl response options. LRSO is a force multiplier compatible with the B-52, and the B-21; extends range, enables simultaneous targeting of multiple targets, lowers risk to aircrew/aircraft by reducing target overflight requirements, reduces tanker and support requirements. LRSO assures U.S. allies by signaling resolve to defend itself and its allies. This resolve is significantly enhanced by the credibility of the bomber force to hold almost any target at risk by extending its effective range with standoff capability. LRSO provides presidential options and overt strategic messaging to peer nations as a visible indication of operational status and national intent, e.g. bombers on nuclear ground alert. Mr. Rogers. What are the military effectiveness and cost implications of choosing to life extend the current Minuteman III missile fleet and related ground infrastructure, rather than pursue GBSD? General Rand. The Ground Based Strategic Deterrent Analysis of Alternatives that received Office of the Secretary of Defense Cost Analysis and Program Evaluation (OSD/CAPE) sufficiency review concluded that investment is required to extend intercontinental ballistic missile life beyond 2030. The analysis revealed a replacement system, mitigating capability shortfalls, as the most cost-effective strategy. ``Life Extending'' Minuteman III will cost more than full system recapitalization, and would not address warfighting capability gaps validated by the Joint Requirements Oversight Council. The following are the analysis of alternatives costs identified: Ground Based Strategic Deterrent 50 year life cycle cost--$159.2B Minuteman III Service Life Extension Program (Baseline) life cycle costs--$160.3B Over the next twenty years, nearly the entire Minuteman III system requires investment to address declining reliability, aging and supportability issues. Mr. Rogers. Why is LRSO required if we also have a B61-12 nuclear gravity bomb carried by a penetrating B-21 bomber--is this duplicative? Do we need both? General Rand. [The information provided is classified and retained in the committee files.] Mr. Rogers. We understand that the Air Force and its potential contractors are considering a more mobile concept for the command and control of the GBSD missile system, rather than relying on the redundancy and survivability of a distributed system of many fixed launch control centers as in the current ICBM fields. As STRATCOM has pointed out, this is a technologically challenging approach with considerable risk. Why is the Air Force going down this path? What is the Air Force doing to address these risks and ensure this concept does not decrease the size of the missileer career field such that it is no longer sustainable? General Rand. The Ground Based Strategic Deterrent (GBSD) Force Development Concept does pursue capabilities such as a hybrid/mix of mobile command and control (C2), similar launch control centers as utilized in Minuteman III, on-base integrated launch control center, and an alternate/airborne launch control system (ALCS). The concept does not provide exact numbers of nodes. A from-the-ground-up GBSD system design allows for Air Force Global Strike Command (AFGSC) to take advantage of technologies to pursue a more cost effective and efficient approach on to how intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) are operated, maintained, and secured. The final number of launch control centers will be assessed for survivability and apply robust risk management even if it is the same number of centers used in Minuteman III. AFGSC is adding additional oversight in cyber, wireless (if this is included in the final solution), and nuclear safety areas to manage risk. The Airborne Launch Control System--Replacement program executing in parallel may advance launch control center suite development and provide the hooks in design to become common with the GBSD application. This would allow commonality in missileer training and operations, versus the differences which currently exist between Minuteman III ICBM console and ALCS console. Mobile and integrated operations using a common console would enhance career opportunity and offer different operating environments for the missileer career field. Mr. Rogers. How important are dual-capable aircraft to the U.S. nuclear posture? Do they constitute a critical and necessary component of our nuclear deterrence and assurance? General Rand. Global Strike Command's B-2 and B-52 are both dual- capable bombers. The B-21 is being developed as a dual-capable bomber and will be nuclear capable within two years of declaring conventional initial operational capability (as directed by the Fiscal Year 2013 National Defense Authorization Act). These bombers, along with the weapons they carry, constitute the entirety of the air-breathing leg of the Triad. Additionally, they are the most visible leg of the nuclear Triad, and inherently stabilizing. The process of arming bombers and delivering weapons is a time consuming effort requiring hours to days, not minutes. Bombers are the leg of the Triad seen as the least threatening to stability, which is why arms control experts afforded a discount for bomber weapons in New START. Second, bombers are intrinsically stabilizing in the nuclear arena due to the ability to be launched and then recalled prior execution. Third, nuclear bombers offer the ability to signal National intentions in a very visible manner. Fully loaded nuclear bombers on alert are a very powerful message. This visibility is critical to providing nuclear deterrence for our adversaries and even more critical to providing assurance to our allies. The bomber, since its inception, has been a sysmbol of America's commitment to its allies and serves as a deterrent to the proliferation of nuclear capabilities. Mr. Rogers. Please describe the military requirements that are driving U.S. nuclear modernization plans in your respective services. What do we see other countries doing and how does that impact our requirements? How does aging or vulnerabilities in our own U.S. nuclear forces impact requirements and modernization plans? Admiral Benedict. In order to support the Commander, STRATCOM mission requirement for sea-based strategic deterrence, the Navy must provide a minimum force of 10 operational SSBNs. Today, we meet that requirement with 14 OHIO Class SSBNs. In the future, we will meet the requirement with a force structure of 12 COLUMBIA Class SSBNs, as the class will not require a lengthy engineered refueling overhaul due to a life of ship core. The Navy has already extended the existing OHIO Class service life from 30 years to 42 years, and there is no engineering margin left for further extension. This extension provides an additional 40 percent service life and will result in the OHIO Class being in service longer than any SSBN or SSN in U.S. history. Any delay to the COLUMBIA Class program could reduce the total SSBN force structure below that required to provide 10 operational SSBNs during the transition period from the OHIO Class to the COLUMBIA Class, which would prevent the Navy from meeting the STRATCOM at-sea requirements. The assumptions of adversaries' nuclear force structures, capability developments, and doctrines play a major role in our assessments of the current and future threat environment and contribute to strategy and force structure decisions. Maintaining our ability to deter and, if deterrence fails, respond to future threats underpins our national strategy. The results of the ongoing Nuclear Posture Review will inform any recommendations to the existing nuclear triad program of record. Mr. Rogers. What would be the consequences, risks, or benefits of delaying or cancelling key nuclear modernization programs--such as the GBSD land-based missile, the B-21 bomber, the long-range stand off (LRSO) cruise missile, or the new Columbia-class submarine? How firm is the need for the current schedules for these programs--is there room for slipping their schedules? Do you believe these programs are executable on-schedule and on-budget, if they are funded on-time by Congress? Admiral Benedict. There is no margin in the COLUMBIA Class SSBN program--it is imperative that we remain on schedule. The OHIO Class SSBN was originally designed for a 30-year service life. In 1998, Naval Reactors and NAVSEA completed a detailed engineering analysis including evaluation of the current material condition of the class, remaining fuel levels, and expected future operational demands of the platform. At that time, the OHIO Class service life was extended to 42 years (a 40 percent increase). Any further extension would erode the engineering safety margin to an unacceptable level. The longest serving nuclear submarine to date was the USS KAMEHAMEHA at 37 years of service. Any delay to the COLUMBIA Class program could reduce the total SSBN force structure below that required to provide 10 operational SSBNs during the transition period from the OHIO Class to the COLUMBIA Class, which would prevent the Navy from meeting STRATCOM at-sea requirements. While there is no schedule margin left, the COLUMBIA Class program of record is executable, assuming adequate and stable funding. This is true for the entire nuclear enterprise in general. The nation chose to defer modernization efforts on our nuclear weapons enterprise after the Cold War and it cannot be deferred any longer without loss of capabilities. ______ QUESTIONS SUBMITTED BY MR. COOPER Mr. Cooper. What is your (military) opinion of the value of the new START Treaty? What would the risk be of preventing negotiations to extend the New START Treaty as long as Russia is not in compliance with the INF Treaty? General Rand. This question was covered quite extensively during the ratification process for New START by a wide variety of witnesses. As noted at the time by the CDRUSSTRATCOM (Gen Chilton), New START ``does not constrain America's ability to continue to deter potential adversaries, assure our allies and sustain strategic stability''. I believe those observations remain true today. I would also note that New START limits the number of Russian warheads that can target the United States. New START's flexible limits on deployed and non-deployed delivery platforms retain sufficient flexibility to manage our Triad of deterrent forces to hedge against tactical or geopolitical surprise. Lastly, New START continues a strategic nuclear arms control verification regime of notifications and on the ground observations/ inspections of Russian strategic forces by U.S. personnel. There are obvious risks in preventing negotiations on extending New START due to Russian non-compliance with the INF Treaty. First, having the U.S. tie discussions on one treaty to disputes in another would likely cause Russia to adopt the same approach. In my opinion, this would unnecessarily complicate resolving issues in either treaty. Secondly, while I vigorously support holding Russia to account for complying with all treaties, we have to keep in mind that without treaty constraints, Russia is free to do as it wants. It is important to weigh the impact of treaty disputes against the possibility of a treaty not being extended, or of Russian withdrawal from one or more treaties. The issues that we have with Russian non-compliance with INF are serious and should be dealt with, however my recommendation is that the U.S. not bring INF issues in other treaty areas. Mr. Cooper. Is there a military requirement for a conventional Long-Range Stand-Off weapon? What would the costs be to make it conventional? General Rand. [The information provided is classified and retained in the committee files.] Mr. Cooper. What is your (military) opinion of the value of the new START Treaty? What would the risk be of preventing negotiations to extend the New START Treaty as long as Russia is not in compliance with the INF Treaty? Admiral Benedict. I believe that bilateral and verifiable arms control agreements are a key component of our national security and provide insight into potential adversary capabilities to maintain the strategic status quo. However, further reductions of nuclear forces should only be undertaken after a complete assessment of the current security environment, particularly in regards to our nuclear armed adversaries. Any future arms control agreements should take into account prior actions, verifiability, and the arms control agreement's contribution to maintaining strategic stability. These things, along with a full intelligence assessment of the present and future threat environment will be central to the Nuclear Posture Review (NPR). The results of the NPR will inform any decisions on adjustments to strategy, force structure, and recommendations on how to best address the future threat environment. ______ QUESTIONS SUBMITTED BY MR. FRANKS Mr. Franks. Looking at the Trump administration's FY18 budget request for DOD nuclear forces and NNSA's nuclear weapons activities, is there more consistency between the Obama administration's plans, or more difference? General Klotz. The Fiscal Year (FY) 2018 President's Budget Request continues the program of record detailed in the FY 2017 Stockpile Stewardship and Management Plan. NNSA's Weapons Activities budget includes planned increases to the program of record as well as increases to adapt to emerging changes, such as updates to the baseline costs for the B61-12 Life Extension Program and the W88 Alteration 370. Mr. Franks. CBO has recently estimated the cost of sustaining, operating, and modernizing our nuclear deterrent to be $400 billion over the next 10 years-including both DOD and NNSA costs. Do you agree with this estimate? CBO estimates this $400 billion represents roughly 6 percent of the total defense budget during this time. Do you believe this is an appropriate amount to be spending on the nuclear deterrence? General Klotz. NNSA publishes future year cost estimates in our annual Stockpile Stewardship Management Plan (SSMP), but NNSA has not estimated costs for the Department of Defense portion of the $400 billion estimate and therefore has no basis by which to judge its accuracy. The DOE portion of Congressional Budget Office's (CBO) $400 billion estimate was $134 billion. Our own current estimate for that period (2017-2026), as detailed in the SSMP, is $112-120 billion. Since the end of the Cold War, investments in the strategic deterrent have fallen to under 4 percent of the defense budget, but historically has been much higher than 6 percent during periods of recapitalization, particularly prior to the end of the Cold War. Over the past 40 years, Weapons Activities funding has ranged from 1.0 to 1.7 percent of total Defense discretionary spending. At currently planned levels, Weapons Activities spending over the next 10 years would constitute about 1.6 percent of defense spending. The National Nuclear Security Administration's missions include maintaining the safety, security, reliability, and effectiveness of the nuclear weapons stockpile; reducing the threat of nuclear proliferation and nuclear terrorism around the world; and providing nuclear propulsion for the U.S. Navy's fleet of aircraft carriers and submarines. NNSA's budget is vital to ensuring that U.S. nuclear forces are modern, robust, flexible, resilient, ready, and appropriately tailored to deter 21st-century threats and reassure America's allies. NNSA's budget represents a prudent investment in a key component of our overall defense strategy. Significant and sustained investment is needed to replace aging infrastructure, provide for warhead life extension programs, revitalize our production capabilities, continue to advance the science which guarantees the safety, reliability and effectiveness of the stockpile, and sustain our highly talented workforce. Failure to make the right investments could significantly impact the deterrent. Mr. Franks. Looking at the Trump administration's FY18 budget request for DOD nuclear forces and NNSA's nuclear weapons activities, is there more consistency between the Obama administration's plans, or more difference? Dr. Soofer. As NNSA Administrator Lieutenant Colonel Klotz noted in testimony, the President's FY 2018 budget request reflects an increase for NNSA nuclear weapons activities. For the Department of Defense portion, the fiscal year (FY) 2018 budget reflects more continuity than change. The FY 2018 budget supports, as did the FY 2017 budget, continued recapitalization of each element of our nuclear forces and infrastructure. Mr. Franks. CBO has recently estimated the cost of sustaining, operating, and modernizing our nuclear deterrent to be $400 billion over the next 10 years, including both DOD and NNSA costs. Do you agree with this estimate? CBO estimates this $400 billion represents roughly 6 percent of the total defense budget during this time. Do you believe this is an appropriate amount to be spending on the nuclear deterrence? Dr. Soofer. The DOD expects nuclear recapitalization costs to total approximately $230-$290 billion from FY 2018 to FY 2040, in constant FY 2018 dollars. This projection includes the total cost of nuclear-only systems, and a portion of the cost of the B-21 bomber, which will have both conventional and nuclear roles. The DOD projection for total recapitalization cost also includes modernizing nuclear command, control, and communications systems. I would defer to my Department of Energy colleagues for specifics relating to estimated NNSA costs. U.S. nuclear weapons deter the only existential threat to the Nation. The nuclear enterprise is affordable if nuclear deterrence is prioritized appropriately. During the coming period of increased recapitalization spending, nuclear forces will remain a small fraction of the DOD budget--with annual funding levels that are projected to range from approximately 3 percent to 6 percent of total defense spending. This includes spending to sustain and operate the existing force--currently about $12-14 billion per year--as well as recapitalization spending to develop and field modernized replacements. Mr. Franks. The last Nuclear Posture Review (NPR) was published 7 years ago. The world was very different in 2010, particularly when talking about Russia. Today, it's hard to see Russia as the partner and friend like the 20101 NPR envisioned. Would you please provide us your assessment on what has changed in the world since the 2010 NPR? How will this affect the NPR and its deliberations? Dr. Soofer. The Nuclear Posture Review's analytical process will include a full assessment of the strategic environment, including a review of how that environment has changed since the 2010 NPR. Recent years have indeed brought changes to the security environment that U.S. nuclear policy must address. Russia has undertaken aggressive actions against its neighbors and threatened the United States and its NATO Allies--including nuclear threats. It has elevated strategies of nuclear first use in its strategic thinking and military exercises, is modernizing a large and diverse non-strategic nuclear weapons force, and is violating the landmark Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty. However, while Russia presents a significant set of challenges, it is only one element of an increasingly complex global strategic environment. The President directed the Department of Defense to review U.S. nuclear posture and ensure that our nuclear forces are modern, robust, flexible, resilient, ready, and appropriately tailored to deter 21st-century threats and reassure our allies and partners. Mr. Franks. CBO has recently estimated the cost of sustaining, operating, and modernizing our nuclear deterrent to be $400 billion over the next 10 years, including both DOD and NNSA costs. Do you agree with this estimate? CBO estimates this $400 billion represents roughly 6 percent of the total defense budget during this time. Do you believe this is an appropriate amount to be spending on the nuclear deterrence? General Rand. The $400 billion estimate is based on a snapshot in time. Global Strike Command's portion for the nuclear enterprise funding was included in the CBO estimate, therefore I can't speak for our sister services and the Department of Energy. The estimated amount could fluctuate based on future budgets, adversary advancements, and new/competing requirements. Increases from 2015 are rightly attributed to modernization and replacement programs becoming more mature. While the CBO report covers 2017-2026, the current cost estimates for Air Force Global Strike Command peak in 2030 when a number of modernization and replacement programs are going on all at once. Considering the deterrence and assurance provided by our nation's nuclear weapon programs, the CBO's number of 5-7% of the total national defense budget is quite a bargain. While I can't speak to Navy and Department of Energy costs, the CBO numbers on Air Force Global Strike's portion of sustaining, operating, and modernizing our nuclear deterrent are in line with our projections. It is encouraging that the CBO included estimates for the command and control, communications (NC3) and early warning systems in the report. When discussing nuclear modernization, these critical systems are omitted from discussions. This country relies on positive command control of nuclear forces. Only the President may authorize the use of nuclear weapons by utilizing NC3 systems. Mr. Franks. CBO has recently estimated the cost of sustaining, operating, and modernizing our nuclear deterrent to be $400 billion over the next 10 years, including both DOD and NNSA costs. Do you agree with this estimate? CBO estimates this $400 billion represents roughly 6 percent of the total defense budget during this time. Do you believe this is an appropriate amount to be spending on the nuclear deterrence? Admiral Benedict. The CBO estimate of $400 billion represents many elements across multiple agencies and services within the overall nuclear deterrence mission. The 1-2 percent of the national defense budget for the sea-based strategic deterrent is appropriate and consistent with what our nation previously invested to build both the ``41 for Freedom'' in the 1960s and the first nuclear modernization with the OHIO Class in the 1980s. The Navy is continually reviewing and validating the requirements needed to sustain the sea-based leg of the triad. A safe, secure, and reliable nuclear deterrent underpins our ability to conduct conventional operations around the world. Beyond deterring the threat of nuclear attack on the United States, having credible nuclear forces is essential to assuring our allies of our extended deterrence commitments, thereby convincing them that they do not need to pursue their own nuclear weapons. Recapitalization is a significant investment that happens every other generation, making it critically important that we do it right. We remain focused on cost- efficiency to ensure an affordable sea-based strategic deterrent. Mr. Franks. CBO has recently estimated the cost of sustaining, operating, and modernizing our nuclear deterrent to be $400 billion over the next 10 years, including both DOD and NNSA costs. Do you agree with this estimate? CBO estimates this $400 billion represents roughly 6 percent of the total defense budget during this time. Do you believe this is an appropriate amount to be spending on the nuclear deterrence? Dr. Zangardi. The Congressional Budget Office's cost estimate for sustaining, operating, and modernizing our nuclear deterrent is not the same dollar amount that DOD will provide Congress in its classified Fiscal Year 2018 annual report on the Nuclear Weapons Stockpile, Nuclear Weapons Complex, Nuclear Weapons Delivery Systems, and Nuclear Weapons Command and Control System (the ``Section 1043 Report''). I believe that the proposed funding stated in the Department of Defense's Section 1043 Report reflects the funding needed to support our Nation's nuclear deterrence. ______ QUESTIONS SUBMITTED BY MR. GARAMENDI Mr. Garamendi. Why do we need the IW-1 rather than a life-extended W78? What steps is NNSA taking to ensure that any changes to the warhead, including any modifications to the nuclear components, do not affect the reliability of the warhead? General Klotz. The Nuclear Weapons Council's (NWC's) August 2016 Strategic Plan reaffirmed the need for the interoperable warhead 1 (IW1) as the first ballistic missile in the 3+2 Nuclear Stockpile Strategy. The 3+2 Strategy is a long-term strategy with emphasis on reduced warhead types, interoperability to enable smaller inactive stockpile, and reduced burden on production infrastructure. The IW1 objective is to deploy an interoperable nuclear explosive package for use in the Mk21 intercontinental ballistic missile aeroshell and the Mk5 submarine-launched ballistic missile aeroshell with adaptable non- nuclear components. IW1 will accomplish the following: 1) replaces capability currently provided by the aging W78; 2) rebalances sea-leg deployment to reduce risk against technical failure; and 3) along with IW2, enables replacement of capability provided by the W88. A W78 life extension program may not provide the capability envisioned for IW1 or meet the long-term requirements of the 3+2 Strategy. The pending NPR may shed greater light on this issue. Warhead reliability is one of many requirements established by the Department of Defense in what are called Military Characteristics (MCs). The IW1 MCs will be generated by the DOD and approved by the Nuclear Weapons Council (NWC), but they are not officially established yet. As with all ongoing nuclear warhead life extensions programs and major modifications, NNSA performs extensive testing and analytical assessments to meet reliability requirements prior to deployment of the warhead. With over 70 years of experience, the NNSA (through its Design and Production Agencies) has established proven processes to meet reliability and other objectives for both newly manufactured and reused components and expects to do so for IW1. Mr. Garamendi. The Trump administration has decided to terminate the MOX project, noting that ``major cost overruns and schedule slippages have led to a re-examination of how best to achieve [our nonproliferation commitments]'' and ``It would be irresponsible to pursue this approach when a more cost-effective alternative exists.'' Why did this administration decide to terminate the MOX Project? Have any new reviews taken place under the new administration? Is DOE considering other missions for Savannah River Site? Which ones? General Klotz. Independent cost reviews and estimates directed by Congress have all concluded that the MOX program of record is significantly more expensive and would take more time than originally planned. The new Administration reviewed all independent reports and met with all parties including MOX Services, the current contractor, and their parent companies to fully understand the costs, challenges, and risks associated with constructing the MOX project or pursuing the dilute and dispose approach. After careful review, the Administration came to the same conclusion as the last Administration--that the current MOX program of record is unaffordable and the dilute and dispose approach meets the nonproliferation requirements much faster with significantly lower cost and risk. Most of the information reviewed by the new Administration and key decision makers were from prior studies, including the recent U.S. Army Corps of Engineers report on the Mixed Oxide Fuel Fabrication Facility contract structure and the Government Accountability Office's Plutonium Disposition report to the Senate Armed Services Subcommittee on Strategic Forces. Mr. Garamendi. To what extent are Weapons Activities infrastructure investments driven by the 50-80 pits per year production requirement and to what extent is the 50-80 pits per year production requirement driven by the IW-1? General Klotz. NNSA's Plutonium Strategy includes a number of investments intended to sustain the capabilities necessary to support stockpile requirements. These include a combination of line-item projects and resource investments that help reduce mission dependency on aging facilities, modernize our infrastructure, and help NNSA meet statutory pit production requirements, including achieving a 50-80 war reserve (WR) pits per year (ppy) production capacity in the 2030s. Much of this investment would be required, regardless of the pit production requirement. The January 16, 2014, Assessment of Nuclear Weapon Pit Production Requirements Report to Congress confirmed the need for achieving 50-80 ppy production capacity by 2030, citing multiple drivers. Key among these drivers are both the need to support future stockpile planning requirements and address stockpile needs due to pit aging. The requirement to achieve a 50-80 ppy production capacity was codified by Congress most recently in the 2016 National Defense Authorization Act (Sec. 3140). Although the current build plan of Interoperable Warhead 1 (IW1) is the main driver for the current pit production requirements, any replacement life extension program for the W78 warhead could require similar, if not higher, production requirements. Mr. Garamendi. Previous Nuclear Posture Reviews, which are comprehensive, interagency reviews of our nuclear weapons policy, have often taken more than a year to complete. This administration plans to complete its Nuclear Posture Review in about 8 months. Should we take this to mean that the review is a forgone conclusion and that it will reaffirm the status quo? Why such a constrained timeline? Further, how will the lack of confirmed appointees at relevant offices and bureaus at the State Department (such as the Under Secretary for Arms Control and International Security, Bureau of Arms Control Verification and Compliance, Bureau of International Security and Nonproliferation) affect non-DOD input on the process? Dr. Soofer. The Nuclear Posture Review includes subject matter experts from across the government, including the Department of State. The effort is being overseen by the Secretary of Defense and will include a full and thorough assessment of our nuclear weapons policy to ensure that our nuclear deterrent is modern, robust, flexible, resilient, ready, and appropriately tailored to deter 21st century threats. If more study time is necessary we will extend the review to ensure we adequately meet the President's objectives. Mr. Garamendi. President Obama stated in 2013 that ``After a comprehensive review, I've determined that we can ensure the security of America and our allies--and maintain a strong and credible strategic deterrent--while reducing our deployed strategic nuclear weapons by up to one-third.'' Do you agree with that statement? Should the United States seek further reductions in coordination with Russia? Dr. Soofer. The President tasked the Department of Defense to review U.S. nuclear posture and ensure that our nuclear forces are modern, robust, flexible, resilient, ready, and appropriately tailored to deter 21st-century threats. The security environment has changed since President Obama's statement; I will not prejudge the outcome of the NPR and endorse this statement. If any future reductions are possible for the U.S., they should not be done unilaterally. Mr. Garamendi. Do you believe that it would be in the national security interests of the United States to pursue an extension of the treaty in 2021? Would you advocate for any modifications? What would the risk be of preventing negotiations to extend the New START Treaty as long as Russia is not in compliance with the INF Treaty? Dr. Soofer. It is too early to consider extending or modifying the New START Treaty. This year, we are focused on completing our force reductions under the Treaty and ensuring that Russia meets its obligations by February 2018 when the Treaty's central limits go into effect. Russia remains in compliance with the New START Treaty and the Treaty continues to provide predictability of and transparency into Russia's strategic forces. The President directed the Department of Defense to review U.S. nuclear posture and ensure that our nuclear forces are modern, robust, flexible, resilient, ready, and appropriately tailored to deter 21st-century threats. Mr. Garamendi. Dr. Soofer, do you believe it is within the ability of the Department of Defense to provide to Congress a 25-year cost estimate of DOD's portion of our nuclear deterrent, including operation, sustainment, and modernization? Dr. Soofer. In making these long-term cost projections, there are always legitimate questions about what to include, what timeframe to cover, and what level of uncertainty is reasonable to expect. At this time a reliable 25-year cost estimate for of the Departments of Defenses portion of our nuclear deterrent does not exist. However, the attached chart provides a cost estimate of operation, sustainment and modernization of our nuclear deterrent through 2040. [GRAPHIC NOT AVAILABLE IN TIFF FORMAT] .epsMr. Garamendi. Dr. Soofer, thank you for providing your 20-year cost estimate for DOD's nuclear modernization costs and for providing a clear and full explanation of which costs and programs are included. However, your cost estimate is provided in constant FY18 dollars, making comparisons with most other congressionally mandated nuclear cost estimates which use then-year dollars difficult. Please provide to the committee an updated version of this cost estimate using then-year dollars. Dr. Soofer. DOD expects nuclear recapitalization costs to total approximately $230-$290 billion spread over more than two decades, from fiscal year (FY) 2018 to FY 2040, in constant FY 2018 dollars. In then- year dollars the range is adjusted to $280-$350 billion. Mr. Garamendi. There have been some changes to this year's funding requests for the LRSO and GBSD in comparison to the FY18 plans in last year's budget. GBSD was reduced by $78 million and LRSO was increased by $31 million. General Rand, can you briefly explain those changes? General Rand. The Ground Based Strategic Deterrent (GBSD) focus since the Milestone A decision has been on source selection related to the Technical Maturation Risk Reduction Contract Award we expect to be awarded in the 4th Quarter Fiscal Year 2017. Some planned activities were deferred due to the source selection activity. The program is currently funded to the Independent Cost Estimate. The $31 million adjustment to the Fiscal Year 2018 budget for Long Range Standoff Missile (LRSO) is in response to the updated cost estimate developed and approved during the Milestone A approval process. This updated estimate was approved after the Fiscal Year 2017 President's Budget submission. The $451.3 million Fiscal Year 2018 funds support technology maturation and risk reduction weapon development, test planning, and aircraft integration efforts. [all]