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       FARM BILL LISTENING SESSIONS: PERSPECTIVES FROM THE FIELD

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                        COMMITTEE ON AGRICULTURE

                        HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

                    ONE HUNDRED SEVENTEENTH CONGRESS

                             SECOND SESSION

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                        JULY 7, 2022, FRESNO, CA
                      JULY 22, 2022, CARNATION, WA
                     JULY 25, 2022, NORTHFIELD, MN
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                        COMMITTEE ON AGRICULTURE

                     DAVID SCOTT, Georgia, Chairman

JIM COSTA, California                GLENN THOMPSON, Pennsylvania, 
JAMES P. McGOVERN, Massachusetts     Ranking Minority Member
FILEMON VELA,\1\ Texas               AUSTIN SCOTT, Georgia
ALMA S. ADAMS, North Carolina, Vice  ERIC A. ``RICK'' CRAWFORD, 
Chair                                Arkansas
ABIGAIL DAVIS SPANBERGER, Virginia   SCOTT DesJARLAIS, Tennessee
JAHANA HAYES, Connecticut            VICKY HARTZLER, Missouri
ANTONIO DELGADO,\5\ New York         DOUG LaMALFA, California
SHONTEL M. BROWN, Ohio               RODNEY DAVIS, Illinois
BOBBY L. RUSH, Illinois              RICK W. ALLEN, Georgia
CHELLIE PINGREE, Maine               DAVID ROUZER, North Carolina
GREGORIO KILILI CAMACHO SABLAN,      TRENT KELLY, Mississippi
Northern Mariana Islands             DON BACON, Nebraska
ANN M. KUSTER, New Hampshire         DUSTY JOHNSON, South Dakota
CHERI BUSTOS, Illinois               JAMES R. BAIRD, Indiana
SEAN PATRICK MALONEY, New York       JIM HAGEDORN,\2\ Minnesota
STACEY E. PLASKETT, Virgin Islands   CHRIS JACOBS, New York
TOM O'HALLERAN, Arizona              TROY BALDERSON, Ohio
SALUD O. CARBAJAL, California        MICHAEL CLOUD, Texas
RO KHANNA, California                TRACEY MANN, Kansas
AL LAWSON, Jr., Florida              RANDY FEENSTRA, Iowa
J. LUIS CORREA, California           MARY E. MILLER, Illinois
ANGIE CRAIG, Minnesota               BARRY MOORE, Alabama
JOSH HARDER, California              KAT CAMMACK, Florida
CYNTHIA AXNE, Iowa                   MICHELLE FISCHBACH, Minnesota
KIM SCHRIER, Washington              JULIA LETLOW,\4\ Louisiana
JIMMY PANETTA, California            BRAD FINSTAD,\7\ Minnesota
SANFORD D. BISHOP, Jr., Georgia
MARCY KAPTUR,\3\ Ohio
SHARICE DAVIDS,\6\ Kansas

                                 ______

                      Anne Simmons, Staff Director

                 Parish Braden, Minority Staff Director

                                  (ii)

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\1\ Resigned from Congress April 1, 2022.
\2\ Deceased February 18, 2022.
\3\ Elected to Committee May 11, 2022.
\4\ Resigned from Committee May 13, 2022.
\5\ Resigned from Congress May 25, 2022.
\6\ Elected to Committee June 14, 2022.
\7\ Elected to Committee September 13, 2022.


               Subcommittee on Conservation and Forestry

               ABIGAIL DAVIS SPANBERGER, Virginia, Chair

FILEMON VELA, Texas                  DOUG LaMALFA, California, Ranking 
CHELLIE PINGREE, Maine               Minority Member
ANN M. KUSTER, New Hampshire         SCOTT DesJARLAIS, Tennessee
TOM O'HALLERAN, Arizona              RICK W. ALLEN, Georgia
JIMMY PANETTA, California            TRENT KELLY, Mississippi
J. LUIS CORREA, California           DUSTY JOHNSON, South Dakota
KIM SCHRIER, Washington              MARY E. MILLER, Illinois
                                     BARRY MOORE, Alabama

               Paul Babbitt, Subcommittee Staff Director

                                 ______

        Subcommittee on Commodity Exchanges, Energy, and Credit

                 ANTONIO DELGADO,\8\ New York, Chairman

SEAN PATRICK MALONEY,\9\ New York    MICHELLE FISCHBACH, Minnesota, 
STACEY E. PLASKETT, Virgin Islands   Ranking Minority Member
RO KHANNA, California                AUSTIN SCOTT, Georgia
CYNTHIA AXNE, Iowa                   DOUG LaMALFA, California
BOBBY L. RUSH, Illinois              RODNEY DAVIS, Illinois
ANGIE CRAIG, Minnesota               CHRIS JACOBS, New York
ANN M. KUSTER, New Hampshire         TROY BALDERSON, Ohio
CHERI BUSTOS, Illinois               MICHAEL CLOUD, Texas
------                               RANDY FEENSTRA, Iowa
                                     KAT CAMMACK, Florida

               Emily German, Subcommittee Staff Director

                                 ______

       Subcommittee on Biotechnology, Horticulture, and Research

               STACEY E. PLASKETT, Virgin Islands, Chair

ANTONIO DELGADO, New York            JAMES R. BAIRD, Indiana, Ranking 
SHONTEL M. BROWN, Ohio               Minority Member
KIM SCHRIER, Washington              AUSTIN SCOTT, Georgia
JIMMY PANETTA, California            ERIC A. ``RICK'' CRAWFORD, 
CHELLIE PINGREE, Maine               Arkansas
SEAN PATRICK MALONEY, New York       RODNEY DAVIS, Illinois
SALUD O. CARBAJAL, California        DON BACON, Nebraska
AL LAWSON, Jr., Florida              CHRIS JACOBS, New York
JOSH HARDER, California              TROY BALDERSON, Ohio
J. LUIS CORREA, California           MICHELLE FISCHBACH, Minnesota
                                     JULIA LETLOW, Louisiana
                                     ------

              Malikha Daniels, Subcommittee Staff Director

                                 (iii)

                               __________
                               
\8\ Resigned from Congress April 1, 2022.


           Subcommittee on Livestock and Foreign Agriculture

                    JIM COSTA, California, Chairman

ABIGAIL DAVIS SPANBERGER, Virginia   DUSTY JOHNSON, South Dakota, 
JAHANA HAYES, Connecticut            Ranking Minority Member
J. LUIS CORREA, California           SCOTT DesJARLAIS, Tennessee
JOSH HARDER, California              VICKY HARTZLER, Missouri
RO KHANNA, California                DAVID ROUZER, North Carolina
CYNTHIA AXNE, Iowa                   TRENT KELLY, Mississippi
BOBBY L. RUSH, Illinois              DON BACON, Nebraska
STACEY E. PLASKETT, Virgin Islands   JAMES R. BAIRD, Indiana
ANGIE CRAIG, Minnesota               TRACEY MANN, Kansas
SANFORD D. BISHOP, Jr., Georgia      RANDY FEENSTRA, Iowa
------                               BARRY MOORE, Alabama
                                     ------

              Daniel Feingold, Subcommittee Staff Director

                                 ______

    Subcommittee on Nutrition, Oversight, and Department Operations

                 JAHANA HAYES, Connecticut, Chairwoman

JAMES P. McGOVERN, Massachusetts     DON BACON, Nebraska,  Ranking 
ALMA S. ADAMS, North Carolina        Minority Member
SHONTEL M. BROWN, Ohio               ERIC A. ``RICK'' CRAWFORD, 
BOBBY L. RUSH, Illinois              Arkansas
GREGORIO KILILI CAMACHO SABLAN,      SCOTT DesJARLAIS, Tennessee
Northern Mariana Islands             VICKY HARTZLER, Missouri
SALUD O. CARBAJAL, California        JAMES R. BAIRD, Indiana
AL LAWSON, Jr., Florida              CHRIS JACOBS, New York
ANN M. KUSTER, New Hampshire         MICHAEL CLOUD, Texas
JIMMY PANETTA, California            KAT CAMMACK, Florida
                                     ------

             Katherine Stewart, Subcommittee Staff Director

                                 ______

      Subcommittee on General Farm Commodities and Risk Management

                     CHERI BUSTOS, Illinois, Chair

ANGIE CRAIG, Minnesota               AUSTIN SCOTT, Georgia, Ranking 
SALUD O. CARBAJAL, California        Minority Member
TOM O'HALLERAN, Arizona              ERIC A. ``RICK'' CRAWFORD, 
AL LAWSON, Jr., Florida              Arkansas
SANFORD D. BISHOP, Jr., Georgia      RICK W. ALLEN, Georgia
------                               DAVID ROUZER, North Carolina
                                     TRACEY MANN, Kansas
                                     MARY E. MILLER, Illinois

              Joshua Tonsager, Subcommittee Staff Director

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                 Saturday, June 25, 2022--Coolidge, AZ

Bustos, Hon. Cheri, a Representative in Congress from Illinois, 
  opening statement..............................................  1623
O'Halleran, Hon. Tom, a Representative in Congress from Arizona, 
  opening statement..............................................  1625
Scott, Hon. Austin, a Representative in Congress from Georgia, 
  opening statement..............................................  1624

                                Speakers

Lanning, Kimber, Founder and Chief Executive Officer, Local First 
  Arizona/Rural Development Council, Phoenix, AZ.................  1627
Rodgers, Angie, President and Chief Executive Officer, Arizona 
  Food Bank Network, Phoenix, AZ.................................  1628
Aune, Carl, Ducks Unlimited, Tucson, AZ..........................  1630
Udall, Chris, Executive Director, Agribusiness and Water Council 
  of Arizona, Mesa, AZ...........................................  1630
Rushdan, Khalil, Social Justice Program Manager, Arizona Faith 
  Network, Phoenix AZ............................................  1632
Kitch, Tristin, Native American Programs Coordinator, VISTA, 
  Arizona Food Bank Network, Phoenix AZ..........................  1633
Sheppard, David, Laveen, AZ; on behalf of Arizona Faith Network..  1634
Steel, Kenneth, Healthy Communities Program Manager, Pinnacle 
  Prevention, Chandler, AZ.......................................  1635
Dierig, Ph.D., David, Manager and Plant Breeder/Geneticist, Agro 
  Operations, Guayule Research Farm, Bridgestone Americas, Eloy, 
  AZ.............................................................  1637
Hatley, Adam, producer, Mesa, AZ; on behalf of Arizona Cotton 
  Growers Association............................................  1638
Ogden, Ph.D., Kimberly L., Professor and Chair, Department of 
  Chemical and Environmental Engineering, University of Arizona, 
  Tucson, AZ.....................................................  1639
Smallhouse, Stefanie, President, Arizona Farm Bureau, Redington, 
  AZ.............................................................  1640
Thelander, Will, Partner, Tempe Farming Co.; Contract Grower, 
  Bridgestone Americas, Stanfield, AZ............................  1641
Boyle, Ph.D., James, Owner, Casa Grande Dairy Co., Casa Grande, 
  AZ.............................................................  1642
Yerges, Brian E., General Manager, Electrical District No. 3, 
  Maricopa, AZ; on behalf of Maricopa-Stanfield Irrigation and 
  Drainage District..............................................  1643
Becker, J.D., Maxine, Attorney Advocate, Wildfire, Phoenix, AZ...  1644
Cardenas, Ed.D., Jenni, Vice President of Student Services, 
  Central Arizona College, Coolidge, AZ..........................  1645
Rovey, Jerry, Partner, Flying R Farms; President, Arizona Cotton 
  Growers Association, Buckeye, AZ...............................  1646
McCoy, Maureen, Senior Lecturer, College of Health Solutions, 
  Arizona State University, Phoenix, AZ; on behalf of Higher 
  Education Food Security Coalition..............................  1647
Ollerton, Paul ``Paco'', Owner, Tierra Verde Farms; past 
  President, Arizona Cotton Growers Association, Casa Grande, AZ.  1648
Sugrue, Andrew M., Assistant Director of Policy & Advocacy, 
  Arizona Center for Economic Progress and Arizona Children's 
  Action Alliance, Phoenix, AZ...................................  1649
Medler, Robert, Arizona Government Affairs Manager, Western 
  Growers Association, Phoenix, AZ...............................  1650
Morales, Ricardo, Community Organizer, Chicanos Por La Causa, 
  Tucson, AZ.....................................................  1651
Simpson, J.D., Michelle ``MJ'', Staff Attorney, William E. Morris 
  Institute for Justice, Phoenix, AZ.............................  1651
Suarez, J.D., Devon, President, Suarez Forestry, LLC, Heber, AZ..  1652
Wang, Ph.D., Yadi, Founder and President, Vertical Resolutions; 
  Member, Leadership Council, Regenerate America, Tucson, AZ.....  1653
De Leon, Tamara, Executive Director, Rural Water Association of 
  Arizona, Flagstaff, AZ.........................................  1654
Caywood, Nancy, Coordinator, Caywood Farm Tours, Caywood Farms, 
  Casa Grande, AZ................................................  1655
Goodman II, Mitchell, Program Manager, Family Assistance 
  Division, Tohono O'odham Nation, Sells, AZ.....................  1655

                         Supplementary Material

The Listening Session in Coolidge, AZ: A Visual Retrospective....  1661

                   Thursday, July 7, 2022--Fresno, CA

Costa, Hon. Jim, a Representative in Congress from California, 
  opening statement..............................................  1677

                                Speakers

Jimenez-Sandoval, Ph.D., Saul, President, California State 
  University, Fresno, Fresno, CA.................................  1678
Errotabere, Daniel, Managing General Partner, Errotabere Ranches; 
  Member, Board of Directors, Westlands Water District, 
  Riverdale, CA..................................................  1683
Gilkey, Kirk, President, Gilkey Farm, Inc.; Member, Board of 
  Directors, California Cotton Ginners and Growers Association, 
  Corcoran, CA; on behalf of National Cotton Council.............  1684
McKean, Mark, Owner, McKean Farms, Riverdale, CA; on behalf of 
  National Cotton Council........................................  1686
Vanden Heuvel, Geoffrey, Director of Regulatory and Economic 
  Affairs, Milk Producers Council, Tulare, CA....................  1688
Medeiros, Melvin, Chairman, Western Area Council, Dairy Farmers 
  of America; Member, Executive Board, National Milk Producers 
  Federation, Layton, CA.........................................  1690
Peill-Moelter, Ph.D., Nicola, Director of Sustainability 
  Innovation, Office of the CTO, Vmware, San Diego, CA; on behalf 
  of Regenerate America..........................................  1692
McCarthy, Thomas D., General Manager, Kern County Water Agency, 
  Bakersfield CA.................................................  1694
Engstrom, Marc, California Director of Public Policy, Ducks 
  Unlimited, Sacramento, CA......................................  1695
Kaye, Julia, Carlsbad, CA; on behalf of Regenerate America.......  1696
Caylor, Perri, Menlo Park, CA; on behalf of Regenerate America...  1698
Cunha, Jr., Manuel, President, Nisei Farmers League, Fresno, CA..  1700
Matoian, Richard, President, American Pistachio Growers, Fresno, 
  CA.............................................................  1703
Schroeder, Jr., Ernie, Chief Executive Officer, Jess Smith & Sons 
  Cotton, Inc.; First Vice-Chairman, American Cotton Shippers 
  Association, Bakersfield, CA...................................  1704
Fernandes, Joey, Owner, Fernjo Farms; Board Member, Land O'Lakes, 
  Inc., Tulare, CA...............................................  1705
Mahoney, Gregory, Treasurer and National Outreach Chairman, 
  California Welfare Fraud Investigators Association, Mentone, CA  1707
Caples, Natalie, Co-Chief Executive Officer, Central California 
  Food Bank, Fresno, CA..........................................  1709
Gutierrez, Itzul, Senior Policy Advocate, California Association 
  of Food Banks, Oakland, CA.....................................  1710
Grant, Jim, Director, Social Justice Ministry, Diocese of Fresno, 
  Fresno, CA; on behalf of Catholic Relief Services..............  1711
Nelson, M.P.H., Alicia, Director, Wellness Services, Student 
  Health and Counseling Center, California State University, 
  Fresno, Fresno, CA.............................................  1712
Hildebrand, Allyson, Coordinator, The Amendola Family Student 
  Cupboard, California State University, Fresno, Fresno, CA......  1713
Payne, Eric, Executive Director, The Central Valley Urban 
  Institute, Fresno, CA..........................................  1715
Thaoxaochay, C. Lilian, Small Farms Community Educator, Small 
  Farm Workgroup, Cooperative Extension Fresno County, Division 
  of Agriculture and Natural Resources, University of California, 
  Fresno, CA.....................................................  1717
Kanter, Jessie, Assistant Specialist, Small Farms and Specialty 
  Crops, Cooperative Extension Fresno and Tulare Counties, 
  Division of Agriculture and Natural Resources, University of 
  California, Fresno, CA.........................................  1718
Dahlquist-Willard, Ph.D., Ruth, Small Farms Advisor, Cooperative 
  Extension Fresno and Tulare Counties, Division of Agriculture 
  and Natural Resources, University of California, Fresno, CA....  1719
Chandler, Carol, Member, Board of Directors, Western Growers; 
  Partner, Chandler Farms, L.P., Selma, CA.......................  1721
Watkins, Keith, Vice President, Farming, Bee Sweet Citrus, Inc., 
  Fowler, CA; on behalf of California Citrus Mutual..............  1722
Parsons, Jim, Partner, Parsons & Sons Farming, LLC, Ducor, CA....  1723
Borden, Tim, Sequoia Restoration and Stewardship Manager, Save 
  the Redwoods League, Fresno, CA; on behalf of Giant Sequoia 
  Lands Coalition................................................  1724
Smittcamp, William S. ``Bill'', President and Chief Executive 
  Officer, Wawona Frozen Foods, Inc., Clovis, CA.................  1726
LeMay, Ian, President, California Fresh Fruit Association, 
  Fresno, CA.....................................................  1727
Houlding, Kimberly, President and Chief Executive Officer, 
  American Olive Oil Producers Association, Fresno, CA...........  1728
Reelhorn, Jon, Owner and President, Belmont Nursery; Member, 
  Executive Committee, AmericanHort, Fresno, CA..................  1729
Cregan, Melissa, Agricultural Commissioner and Sealer of Weights 
  and Measures, Fresno County Department of Agriculture; Regional 
  Board Member, San Joaquin Valley, California Agricultural 
  Commissioners and Sealers Association, Fresno, CA..............  1730
Sooby, Jane, Senior Policy Specialist, California Certified 
  Organic Farmers, Santa Cruz, CA................................  1731
Montes, Benina, Managing Partner, Burroughs Family Orchards, 
  Denair, CA; on behalf of Regenerate America....................  1732
Johansson, James D. ``Jamie'', President, California Farm Bureau 
  Federation, Sacramento, CA.....................................  1734
Engelhart, Ryland, Co-Founder and Executive Director, Kiss the 
  Ground, Fillmore, CA; accompanied by Karen Rodriguez, Vice 
  President of Program Operations................................  1735

                         Supplementary Material

The Listening Session in Fresno, CA: A Visual Retrospective......  1739
Costa, Hon. Jim a Representative in Congress from California, 
  submitted article..............................................  1758
Engstrom, Marc, California Director of Public Policy, Ducks 
  Unlimited, submitted report....................................  1760
McKean, Mark, Owner, McKean Farms, Riverdale, CA; on behalf of 
  National Cotton Council, submitted statement...................  1784
Vanden Heuvel, Geoffrey, Director of Regulatory and Economic 
  Affairs, Milk Producers Council, submitted article.............  1784
Matoian, Richard, President, American Pistachio Growers, 
  submitted statement............................................  1788
Grant, Jim, Director, Social Justice Ministry, Diocese of Fresno, 
  Fresno, CA; on behalf of Catholic Relief Services, submitted 
  statement......................................................  1791
Borden, Tim, Sequoia Restoration and Stewardship Manager, Save 
  the Redwoods League; on behalf of Giant Sequoia Lands 
  Coalition, submitted policy brief..............................  1793

                  Friday, July 22, 2022--Carnation, WA

Plaskett, Hon. Stacey E., a Delegate in Congress from Virgin 
  Islands, opening statement.....................................  1803
Schrier, Hon. Kim, a Representative in Congress from Washington, 
  opening statement..............................................  1805

                                Speakers

Sandison, Derek, Director, Washington State Department of 
  Agriculture, Olympia, WA.......................................  1806
Hulbert, Ph.D., Scot, Associate Dean for Research, College of 
  Agriculture, Human, and Natural Resource Sciences, Washington 
  State University; Interim Director, Agricultural Research 
  Center, CAHNRS, WSU, Pullman, WA...............................  1807
Powers, Mark, President, Northwest Horticultural Council, Yakima, 
  WA.............................................................  1808
DeVaney, Jon, President, Washington State Tree Fruit Association, 
  Yakima, WA.....................................................  1809
Crnich, Stacey, Chief Executive Officer, Bonney Lake Food Bank, 
  Bonney Lake WA.................................................  1811
Kehne, Jay, Sagelands Heritage Program Lead, Conservation 
  Northwest, Omak, WA............................................  1811
Wilcox, Jim, Chairman, Wilcox Family Farms, Roy, WA..............  1812
Visser, Jeremy, Member, Board of Directors, Northwest Dairymen's 
  Association, Dairy Gold, Stanwood, WA..........................  1813
Mensonides, Ryan D., Co-Owner, Co-Manager, Chief Executive 
  Officer, Mount Rainier Creamery & Market, Enumclaw, WA.........  1814
Lane, Claire, Director, Anti-Hunger and Nutrition Coalition, 
  Seattle, WA....................................................  1815
Gail, Scott, Bio-Farm Manager, Spokane Conservation District, 
  Spokane, WA....................................................  1816
Meyer, Ty, Production Ag Manager, Spokane Conservation District, 
  Spokane, WA....................................................  1817
Vrablik, Jeremy, Owner, Cascadia Produce LLC, Auburn, WA.........  1818
Geissler, George L., Washington State Forester, Deputy, Wildland 
  Fire and Forest Health/Resiliency, Washington Department of 
  Natural Resources, Olympia, WA.................................  1819
Green, Marci, farmer, Green View Farms, Inc.; Past President, 
  Washington Association of Wheat Growers, Fairfield, WA.........  1820
Voigt, Chris, Executive Director, Washington State Potato 
  Commission, Moses Lake, WA.....................................  1820
Meiklen, Britany, Food Distribution Center Program Director, 
  Chelan-Douglas Community Action Council, Wentachee, WA.........  1821
Freytag, Tony, Executive Vice President, Crunch Pak, LLC, 
  Cashmere, WA...................................................  1822
Clark, Brian, Issaquah, WA.......................................  1823
Wong, Christina, Director, Public Policy & Advocacy, Northwest 
  Harvest, Seattle, WA...........................................  1823
Werkhoven, Jim, President, Werkhoven Dairy Inc., Monroe, WA......  1824
Pettit, Chris, Executive Director, Washington State Conservation 
  Commission, Olympia, WA........................................  1825
Gilliam, Lindsay, Executive Director, Carnation Farmers Market, 
  Carnation, WA..................................................  1826
Reseland, Angela ``Angie'', Farm Bill Coordinator, Washington 
  Department of Fish and Wildlife, Olympia, WA...................  1826
Redder, Lulu, Owner/Operator, Feral Woman Farm, LLC, North Bend, 
  WA.............................................................  1827
Doglio, Hon. Beth, Woodinville, WA; on behalf of Gretchen Garth, 
  Founder, 21 Acres..............................................  1828
Lewis, Nathaniel, Conservation Manager, Washington Farmland 
  Trust, Seattle, WA.............................................  1829
Murray, Todd, Director, Puyallup Research and Extension Center, 
  College of Agriculture, Human, and Natural Resource Sciences, 
  Washington State University, Puyallup, WA......................  1830
Lindemulder, Bobbi, Agriculture Program Director, Snohomish 
  Conservation District, Lake Stevens, WA........................  1831
Purdy, M.S., R.D.N., Mary, Seattle, WA; on behalf of Coalition 
  for Organic and Regenerative Agriculture.......................  1831
Roberts, Ansley, Farm Manager, 21 Acres, Woodinville, WA.........  1832
Gruber, Joe, Executive Director, University District Food Bank, 
  Seattle, WA....................................................  1833
Webster, Nick, Accounting Analyst, Community Action Council of 
  Lewis, Mason, and Thurston Counties, Lacey, WA.................  1834
Czyzewski, Aaron, Director of Advocacy & Public Policy, Food 
  Lifeline, Seattle, WA..........................................  1835
Ang, Hon. Kristin, Policy Engagement Director, Faith Action 
  Network, Tacoma, WA............................................  1835
Morgan, Kathryn ``Kat'', Associate Director for Puget Sound 
  Conservation, Washington Chapter, The Nature Conservancy, 
  Seattle, WA....................................................  1836
Neunzig, Linda, County Agriculture Coordinator, Snohomish County 
  Division of Conservation and Natural Resources, Everett, WA....  1837
Seelmeyer, Sara, Food Security Program Manager, United Way of 
  King County, Seattle, WA.......................................  1838
Wright-Soika, Marcia, Executive Director, FamilyWorks Food Bank 
  and Resource Center, Seattle, WA...............................  1839
Atkinson, M.S., R.D.N., C.D., Ben, Assistant Director, Child 
  Nutrition/Dietitian, Child Nutrition Services, Auburn School 
  District No. 408; Delegate, Washington State Academy of 
  Nutrition and Dietetics, Kent, WA..............................  1840
Simpson, J.D., Aimee, Senior Director of Advocacy & Environmental 
  Social and Governance, Puget Consumers Co-op Community Markets, 
  Seattle, WA....................................................  1840
Salzer, Tom, Executive Director, Washington Association of 
  Conservation Districts, Olympia, WA............................  1841
Reynolds, Thomas, Chief Executive Officer, Northwest Harvest, 
  Seattle, WA....................................................  1842
Lee, Ali, Woodinville, WA; on behalf of Gretchen Garth, Founder, 
  21 Acres; Coalition for Organic and Regenerative Agriculture; 
  Anne Schwartz, Owner, Blue Heron Farm..........................  1842
Hille, J.D., Keaton G., Real Estate & Construction Attorney, 
  Hanson Baker Attorneys, Bellevue, WA; on behalf of Ducks 
  Unlimited......................................................  1843

                         Supplementary Material

The Listening Session in Carnation, WA: A Visual Retrospective...  1847
Sandison, Derek, Director, Washington State Department of 
  Agriculture, submitted infographic.............................  1871

                 Monday, July 25, 2022--Northfield, MN

Bustos, Hon. Cheri, a Representative in Congress from Illinois, 
  opening statement..............................................  1873
Craig, Hon. Angie, a Representative in Congress from Minnesota, 
  opening statement..............................................  1875

                                Speakers

Peterson, Bruce, Owner, Far-Gaze Farms, Northfield, MN...........  1876
Peterson, Thom, Commissioner, Minnesota Department of 
  Agriculture, Pine City, MN.....................................  1877
Glessing, Dan, President, Minnesota Farm Bureau Federation, 
  Wavery, MN.....................................................  1879
Wertish, Gary, President, Minnesota Farmers Union, Renville, MN..  1879
Worth, Bob, President, Minnesota Soybean Growers Association, 
  Lake Benton, MN................................................  1880
Baack, Vince, Chief Business Officer, New Fashion Pork, North 
  Mankato, MN; on behalf of Minnesota Pork Producers Association.  1881
Syverson, Richard, Agronomy Manager, Syverson Family Farms; First 
  Vice President, Minnesota Corn Growers Association, Clontarf, 
  MN.............................................................  1882
Schlangen, Steve, Co-Owner, Schlangen Dairy; Chairman, Board of 
  Directors, Associated Milk Producers, Inc., Albany, MN.........  1883
Buck, Dave, Co-Owner, Bucks Unlimited; Member, Board of 
  Directors, Minnesota Milk Producers Association, Goodhue, MN...  1885
Zimmerman, John, Owner, P&J Products Co.; Secretary/Treasurer, 
  Executive Committee, National Turkey Federation, Northfield, MN  1885
Terry, Ed, Co-Owner, Terry Farms, Northfield, MN.................  1887
Legvold, Dave, Farmer, Legvold Farms, Northfield, MN; on behalf 
  of Land Stewardship Project; Clean River Partners..............  1888
Graner, K.C., Senior Vice President of Agronomy, Central Farm 
  Service, Kenyon, MN............................................  1888
Kleinschmit, Jim, Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer, Other 
  Half Processing SBC and Tree-Range Farms/Regeneration Farms 
  LLC, Cannon Falls, MN..........................................  1890
Mills, Deborah, Operator, Mills Dairy Farm; Vice President, 
  Minnesota Farmers Union, Goodhue County; Member, Board of 
  Directors, National Dairy Producers Organization; Member, Board 
  of Directors, Organization for Competitive Markets, Lake City, 
  MN.............................................................  1891
Hovel, Brad, Owner, Hovel Farms; Governing Board Member, 
  Minnesota Soybean Growers Association, Cannon Falls, MN........  1892
Wolle, Harold, Member, Corn Board, National Corn Growers 
  Association, Madelia, MN.......................................  1894
Kanten, Jim, Secretary, Minnesota Corn Growers Association, 
  Milan, MN......................................................  1894
Thalmann, Brian, Member, Corn Board, National Corn Growers 
  Association, Plato, MN.........................................  1895
Hokanson, Eric, Financial Officer, Compeer Financial, ACA, 
  Lakeville, MN..................................................  1896
Maier, Matt, Owner, Thousand Hills Lifetime Grazed, Clearwater, 
  MN.............................................................  1897
Clayton, Will, Senior Representative, Eastern Minnesota Region, 
  Pheasants Forever and Quail Forever, Mayer, MN.................  1899
Hoefs, Ruth, Le Center, MN; on behalf of Ducks Unlimited.........  1900
Gausman, Brad, Executive Director, Minnesota Conservation 
  Federation, St. Paul, MN.......................................  1900
Goldman, Sarah, Organizer, Regional Food Systems and Federal 
  Policy, Land Stewardship Project, St Paul, MN; on behalf of 
  Kristi Pursell, Executive Director, Clean River Partners.......  1901
Leach, Andrew, Sustainable Commercialization Associate, Forever 
  Green Initiative, Department of Agronomy and Plant Genetics, 
  University of Minnesota, St. Paul, MN..........................  1902
Krause, Charles, Owner, Krause Holsteins Inc., Buffalo, MN; on 
  behalf of Dairy Farmers of America.............................  1903
Moriarty, Colleen, Executive Director, Hunger Solutions 
  Minnesota, St. Paul, MN........................................  1904
Rychner, Anika, Senior Director, Community Action Center of 
  Northfield Inc., Northfield, MN................................  1904
Zaavedra, Kelsey L., Owner, Heirloomista, North Branch, MN.......  1905
Watters, Nate, Managing Partner, Keepsake Cidery LLP, Dundas, MN; 
  on behalf of Land Stewardship Project..........................  1906
Wallinga, M.D., David, Senior Health Officer, Food, Agriculture 
  and Health, Healthy People & Thriving Communities Program, 
  Natural Resources Defense Council, St. Paul, MN................  1907
Donkers, Gail, Member, Minnesota Farmers Union, Faribault, MN....  1908
Mosel, Darrel, Member at Large, Board of Directors, Land 
  Stewardship Project, Gaylord, MN...............................  1908
Viana, Jason, Executive Director, The Open Door, Eagan, MN.......  1909
Rice, Nathan K., Communications and Marketing Director, Kiss the 
  Ground, Maple Grove, MN........................................  1910
Buck, Ryan, Agent, Lakeshore Agency, Inc., Goodhue, MN...........  1910
Peterson, Mike, Owner, Twin Oaks Farm; Member, Minnesota Farmers 
  Union, Northfield, MN..........................................  1911
Blustin, Ilan, Owner, IB Livestock Co., Webster, MN; on behalf of 
  Minnesota 4-H Agriculture Ambassadors..........................  1912
Haslett-Marroquin, Reginaldo, Regenerative Agriculture Production 
  and Farm Manager, Salvatierra Farms; Founder and Co-Executive 
  Director, Regenerative Agriculture Alliance, Northfield, MN....  1912
Gardner, Nick, Director of Operations, Perennial Pantry, 
  Burnsville, MN.................................................  1913
Checkel, James, Owner, Checkel Farm, Kasson, MN..................  1914

                         Supplementary Material

The Listening Session in Northfield, MN: A Visual Retrospective..  1917
Wallinga, M.D., David, Senior Health Officer, Food, Agriculture 
  and Health, Healthy People & Thriving Communities Program, 
  Natural Resources Defense Council, supplementary material......  1938

                  Monday, August 22, 2022--Fremont, OH

Bustos, Hon. Cheri, a Representative in Congress from Illinois, 
  opening statement..............................................  1945
Kaptur, Hon. Marcy, a Representative in Congress from Ohio, 
  opening statement..............................................  1947

                                Speakers

Vashaw, Kirk, Chief Executive Officer, Spangler Candy Company, 
  Bryan, OH......................................................  1950
Logan, Joseph, President, Ohio Farmers Union, Kinsman, OH........  1952
Chase-Morefield, Julie, President and Chief Executive Officer, 
  Second Harvest Food Bank of North Central Ohio, Lorain, OH.....  1953
Andre, Nate, Owner, Andre Farms LLC, Wauseon, OH.................  1955
Myers, Bill, Owner, Myers Farms, Oregon, OH......................  1955
Herringshaw, Paul, Owner/Operator, Herringshaw Farms, Bowling 
  Green, OH......................................................  1956
Ward, Adam, Director, Government Affairs, College of Food, 
  Agricultural and Environmental Sciences, Ohio State University, 
  Columbus, OH...................................................  1957
Poulson, Hilary, Growing Forward Specialist, Farm Credit Mid-
  America, Archbold, OH..........................................  1959
Dean, Eli, Operator, Timberlane Organic Farms, LLC, Bellevue, OH; 
  on behalf of Ohio Ecological Food and Farm Association.........  1960
Logan, J.D., Tony, Principal Consultant, The Renewables Space, 
  LLC; former Ohio State Director, USDA Rural Development, 
  Columbus, OH...................................................  1963
Wise, Roger, Treasurer/Secretary, Ohio Farmers Union, Fremont, OH  1962
Askins, Vickie, Member, Ohio Farmers Union; Member, Lake Erie 
  Advocates, Cygnet, OH..........................................  1963
Drewes, Tyler, Operator, Drewes Farms; District 2, Board Member, 
  Ohio Corn and Wheat Growers Association, Custer, OH............  1965
Huffman, Angela, Co-Founder and Vice President, Farm Action; 
  Owner, Wide-Awake Farm, Wharton, OH............................  1966
Cunningham, Jerome C., Fremont, OH; on behalf of Sandusky County 
  Farm Bureau....................................................  1967
Woodall, Kristin, Director, Community Development Programs, Great 
  Lakes Community Action Partnership, Fremont, OH................  1968
Miller, Sheldon, Operator, Sheldon Miller Farms; Member, Ottawa 
  County Farm Bureau, Oak Harbor, OH.............................  1970
Buskirk, Kristy, Operator, Clay Hill Organic Farm; Member, Ohio 
  Ecological Food and Farm Association, Tiffin, OH...............  1970
Kichler, Emily, Cleveland, Ohio; on behalf of Farm Action........  1972
Jones, Jr., Robert ``Bob'', Co-Owner and Chief Executive Officer, 
  Chef's Garden, Huron, OH; on behalf of The IR-4 Project........  1973
Demaline, Tom, President, Willoway Nurseries, Inc., Avon, OH; on 
  behalf AmericanHort............................................  1974
Dake, Marissa, Director, Communications and Public Affairs, DNO 
  Produce, Inc., Columbus, OH....................................  1975
Davis, Kathy, Young Stock Manager, Ayers Farms Inc.; Member, 
  Dairy Farmers of America, Perrysville, OH......................  1976
Overmyer, Sheldon L., Owner, Shelamar Farms, Elmore, OH..........  1976
Goecke, Mark, District 4, Member, Board of Directors, Ohio 
  Cattlemen's Association, Spencer, OH...........................  1977
Gordon, Ken, Co-Owner and General Manager, Purple Plains Farm, 
  Plain City, OH; on behalf of IFYE Association of the USA, Inc..  1979
Baldosser, Gary L., Owner/Operator, Baldosser Farms Inc.; Region 
  5, Seneca County, Member, Board of Directors, AgCredit, 
  Republic, OH...................................................  1980
Inglis, Jim, Director of Governmental Affairs, Pheasants Forever 
  and Quail Forever, Upper Sandusky, OH..........................  1980
Nickol, Reece, State Policy Chair, Ducks Unlimited, Piqua, OH....  1981
Laubacher, Ronald, Operator, Laubacher Farms, Oak Harbor, OH.....  1982
Wilson, Mark, Farming for Cleaner Water Project Manager, American 
  Farmland Trust, Marion, OH.....................................  1982
Kuti, Ph.D., Morakinyo, Director, 1890 Land-Grant Programs, 
  Interim Dean, John W. Garland College of Engineering, Science, 
  Technology, and Agriculture, Central State University, 
  Wilberforce, OH................................................  1983
Wedemeyer, Karl, Owner, White Diamond Farm; Organization Rep, 
  2022 Executive Committee, Ohio Dairy Producers Association, 
  LaRue, OH......................................................  1984

                         Supplementary Material

The Listening Session in Fremont, OH: A Visual Retrospective.....  1987

 
                     A 2022 REVIEW OF THE FARM BILL

                     (PERSPECTIVES FROM THE FIELD)

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                        SATURDAY, JUNE 25, 2022

                  House of Representatives,
                                  Committee on Agriculture,
                                                      Coolidge, AZ.
    The Committee met at 11:00 a.m., M.D.T., at 8470 N. 
Overfield Road, Central Arizona College, Coolidge, AZ, Hon. 
Cheri Bustos presiding.
    Members present: Representatives Bustos, O'Halleran, and 
Austin Scott of Georgia.
    Staff present: Josh Tonsager, Ashley Smith, Carlton 
Bridgeforth, Victoria Maloch, Trevor White, and Detrick 
Manning.

  OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. CHERI BUSTOS, A REPRESENTATIVE IN 
                     CONGRESS FROM ILLINOIS

    Mrs. Bustos. I will give everybody a second to sit down and 
relax. I am really impressed with this turnout. This is nice.
    I'm Cheri Bustos, and I am a Member of Congress from the 
State of Illinois. I've served on the Agriculture Committee in 
the U.S. House of Representatives for 10 years now, and I am 
Chair of a Subcommittee called General Farm Commodities and 
Risk Management.
    And I have with me Austin Scott from the State of Georgia, 
who you are going to hear from in just a moment.
    I chair the Subcommittee. He is what is called the Ranking 
Member. And all that means is because Democrats are in the 
Majority I am the Chair, I am a Democrat. Republicans are in 
the Minority, just by a little bit, but that is who the Ranking 
Member is. He is the lead Republican.
    And then, of course, Tom O'Halleran is on our Committee. He 
is your Congressman, for anybody who lives in and around this 
area.
    As an editorial comment I do want to say I think you are 
really lucky to have a guy like Tom O'Halleran representing 
you.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. Did you know he does have some Illinois roots? 
He was a Chicago cop. My husband is the sheriff of our county, 
so I think that gives him a lot of street cred with me.
    This is a really history-making, in a sense, because we are 
doing a nationwide listening tour to prepare for the 2023 Farm 
Bill, and this is our very first stop. And we chose to come to 
Tom O'Halleran's district because, as a Member of the House 
Agriculture Committee, he wanted to make sure that I, as a 
Midwesterner, Austin as somebody from Georgia, understood the 
kind of farming that you do around here. And we really just 
want to get a full understanding.
    We are in full-on listening mode. We are here to listen to 
you. If you have questions, we can try to answer those, but we 
really would like to spend the time listening to you as much as 
possible.
    We have several people from the House Agriculture 
Committee, staff from the House Agriculture Committee. This is 
being live-streamed, so our millions and millions of viewers--
--
    [Laughter].
    Mr. O'Halleran. You laughed at that.
    Mrs. Bustos.--will be tuning in to watch all of this.
    A few housekeeping things. We would ask that you fill out 
those little cards in the back with your name and the 
information that the staff is telling you that we need. That is 
really for official reasons, so we can go back to that, and if 
we need to follow up with you. But we want to know what you 
think. If that is not comfortable for you, and you are not 
comfortable speaking out, then pull us aside, or you can always 
contact Congressman O'Halleran's office as well. But we want to 
hear from you.
    We have scheduled until 1:00, so about 2 hours, and we will 
use every bit of that. We would ask if you could keep your 
comments to around 3 minutes. I don't think we are going to be 
overly strict, but the point there is that we want to make sure 
that everybody has time to speak. That is just really important 
that we are hearing from everybody.
    We are calling this, A 2022 Review of the Farm Bill: 
Perspectives from the Field. So we will kick this off. It is 
now official, and all of this will be used to help us figure 
out what is working from the 2018 Farm Bill, what is not 
working, what do we need to stop, what do we need to start, 
what do we need to keep. That is really what this is all about.
    This is now the third farm bill that I have worked on since 
I have been in Congress, and so I am happy to have that 
background. Where I am from, we are corn and bean country, from 
the State of Illinois, and so the thing that I would hear about 
from our family farmers--keep in mind we have almost 10,000 
family farms in the Congressional district I represent, so it 
is a lot. But the number one thing I would always hear about is 
crop insurance. And when we started crop insurance, after 
having direct payments, the feedback was to keep crop 
insurance, that it was working. So I am very interested in 
hearing from all of you as well and what is most important to 
you.
    So with that, again welcome. Thank you so much for being 
here with us. And I would like to turn over the microphone to 
Congressman Austin Scott, from the State of Georgia, for his 
welcoming comments as well.

  OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. AUSTIN SCOTT, A REPRESENTATIVE IN 
                     CONGRESS FROM GEORGIA

    Mr. Austin Scott of Georgia. Thank you, Cheri and Tom. 
Great to be in your district. All four of my grandparents were 
involved in production agriculture, and none of their grandkids 
are. I think that is one of the challenges that we face as a 
country is who is going to be farming 10 years from now, 
because if you are not farming today you are not going to be 
farming tomorrow, and if you are not farming tomorrow what are 
we going to do for our food over the next couple of decades?
    I got a phone call from a farmer this past week, and I 
think this is an important issue, so if you will bear with me 
for a second. He has been farming for 40 years. He is a hog 
farmer in rural south Georgia. His supplier of soymeal had cut 
his allotment from two semi-loads a week to one semi-load a 
week. In the 40 years he has been farming this is the first 
time he has ever been rationed on his feed for his hogs, and 
like most of the rest of our farmers he buys from ``Big Ag'' on 
the supply side and he sells to ``Big Food'' on the other side, 
and somehow he is supposed to make a living in between on very 
small margins. And the supply chain disruptions that are 
occurring in our food supply chain have created unprecedented 
problems for those who are in production agriculture.
    As we push forward, there are a couple of things that we 
have to be very much aware of. One is our dependence on foreign 
sources for fertilizer, chemicals, and other things I think has 
put us in a dangerous position. If you look at what is 
happening with Ukraine and the Black Sea, Russia is the number 
one producer of nitrogen. Russia and Belarus are number two and 
three in potash.
    We should have never allowed ourselves to get into a 
position where we are dependent on them for our inputs into ag 
production, but we have, and we are going to have to work our 
way out of that, just like we are going to have to work our way 
out of being dependent on chemical production in China. So I am 
very worried about the supply chains and how fast we are able 
to address those issues.
    The other thing I want to mention with production 
agriculture, and then I will turn it over to Tom, if you will 
bear with me for just a second, what is happening in the courts 
with regard to the chemicals that we use is happening very fast 
and it is changing our ability to use environmentally sensitive 
practices like no-till in our ag operations. If you take 
Dicamba off the market, if you take glyphosate off the market, 
guess what? I can't use no-till anymore in production.
    And so one of the things that I think we have got to come 
to some agreement with as we push forward with the next farm 
bill is making sure that the courts take into account the 
impact on production agriculture and our food supply in the 
rulings that they issue in the courts.
    And with that I very much want to hear what you have to 
say, and I am looking forward to working with Cheri and Tom as 
we make sure we take care of production agriculture.

 OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. TOM O'HALLERAN, A REPRESENTATIVE IN 
                     CONGRESS FROM ARIZONA

    Mr. O'Halleran. Thanks for being here, everybody. I really 
appreciate it.
    A little history on me too, I guess. I come from a farming 
family, dairy farmers. They started out in South Dakota, around 
the Fargo area, and ended up down in Harvard, Illinois. And 
even I am not old enough to understand when we lost my 
grandfather's farm after the Great Depression, but that is 
where that Illinois connection comes in.
    Just quickly, you mentioned potash. Northern Arizona is 
full of potash. We have tons and tons, metric tons and 
everything, of it, and here we are worrying about potash from 
some foreign country. That is a problem. We have problems like 
that across our whole mining industry in America. That is a 
huge problem for all of us, and we are trying to make a 
difference in that area.
    I want to thank the Chair for being here today and the 
Ranking Member. Our Committee is one of the most bipartisan 
committees in Congress. We are made up of almost everybody on 
the Committee has some lineage back to farming, and especially 
family farms. That is really, truly something we talk about day 
in and day out, and the importance of not only keeping today's 
family farms but finding the workers and the heritage of the 
family farm through the family to keep it up and going on a 
continual basis.
    It is great to have staff here today to. You look at us and 
you go, well, it is good to be able to talk to a couple of 
Congresspeople here. That staff is there all the time, and they 
are our information source, and the object is obviously, as the 
Chair said, to get an education on how different is this than 
other sections of the country. And there is a difference, we 
know it, but to highlight that is important.
    The farm bill is the largest investment that Congress makes 
into the U.S. food and agriculture industry. We were all here 
for the 2018 Farm Bill, and I am glad to see that we are all 
here for this one. Through the 2018 Farm Bill, Congress 
expanded the broadband deployment that is ongoing, and also 
will be part of the bipartisan infrastructure bill (Pub. L. 
117-58, Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act), and it is 
extremely important.
    There are new challenges now, though, that we are focusing 
on again. Wildfire is one of those that this Committee, and not 
specifically this Subcommittee but the committee in total, 
dwells on, and obviously we all know how important it is not 
only to feed our fellow Americans and the rest of the world but 
also to make sure that we keep on top of that economy as a 
country.
    We are not spared. We have experienced the worst drought. 
You are going to hear a little bit about water today. 
Washington, D.C. has plenty of water. They are not experiencing 
a 1,200 year drought. And we are in the middle of a process 
where I have lived in Arizona now for almost 30 years, and a 
large majority of that has been during a drought. So my hat is 
off to anybody that is in the industry that has to address 
those issues. Whether it is rain coming from the sky or water 
coming up from the pump, there is a cost to that and a cost to 
agriculture in our area, and especially, you will find out 
today, Pinal County, which is one of the fastest-growing 
counties in America.
    So I am going to cut short my brief remarks here, that were 
too long, by my staff, and get to your remarks, which are the 
most important pieces of listening sessions, to be able to 
understand fully what you are going through. But please, don't 
be shy when it comes to disagreeing with what you think and 
what you want and what you need, because that is how we make 
change, and to create that change by listening to you.
    Thanks a lot.
    Mrs. Bustos. All right. Thank you, Congressman O'Halleran, 
for hosting us today. I also want to thank Central Arizona 
College for allowing us to use this beautiful space here. We 
appreciate it very much. And Officer Lawrence is in the back. 
She is here to make sure that we are safe and sound, so thank 
you, Officer Lawrence as well. We appreciate that.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. Okay. So what is going to happen now, the 
microphones are going to be moved to those two little X's 
there. Are we calling people to go up, Josh? I just want to 
make sure that I know the next step. Josh is with our 
Agriculture Committee staff.
    Mr. Tonsager. They are supposed to line up.
    Mrs. Bustos. Line up? Okay.
    Mr. Tonsager. And bring a card.
    Mrs. Bustos. Okay. Line up behind either microphone, and if 
you have a hard time standing then just maybe say you are in 
line or whatever. That is fine too. And bring your card.
    I have a lot of quotes hanging on my wall. One my favorite 
quotes is, ``Candor is a compliment. It implies equality.'' The 
next part is, ``It is how true friends talk.'' So consider us 
your true friends up here. We really do want candor. We want to 
be able to use the information that we are learning today, to 
be able to help shape the 2023 Farm Bill. So you can be as 
candid as possible.
    So with that, go ahead and get in line if you would like to 
do that. Again, if you have trouble standing maybe just say 
that you have got a space in line. And we are going to start 
with you.
    Ms. Lanning. Fantastic. Thank you, Representative 
O'Halleran. Thank you so much for hosting this here today.
    Mr. Tonsager. Sorry. I need to get the card.
    Ms. Lanning. Already? I have my notes on it.
    Mr. Tonsager. Oh yes. We are supposed to grab the card for 
Congressional records.
    Mrs. Bustos. She has notes on it, so if she just wants to 
read from her notes and maybe give it to you.

        STATEMENT OF KIMBER LANNING, FOUNDER AND CHIEF 
         EXECUTIVE OFFICER, LOCAL FIRST ARIZONA/RURAL 
                DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL, PHOENIX, AZ

    Ms. Lanning. I would love that. My name is Kimber Lanning 
and I am the CEO at the Arizona Rural Development Council. I am 
here to talk about three quick points. One is the Arizona Rural 
Development Council is part of the national organization called 
the State Rural Development Council. Our organization is called 
Partners for Rural America. We have representation from 
approximately 15 states, including Arizona and Illinois--we are 
not in Georgia yet but we are working on it--Maryland, 
Michigan, Pennsylvania, Washington, Iowa. We work together 
across the country in a very collegial, bipartisan manner.
    Our representation is required--it is a Federal 
designation--we are required to have Federal, state, local, and 
Tribal representation in each of our state councils. By design, 
our mission is to eliminate duplicative and to work across 
different governmental agencies and Tribal agencies to build 
collaboration.
    So I wanted to just highlight a couple of quick examples of 
the type of work we have done in the last year. We advocated, 
in the middle of COVID, for relief aid for our small businesses 
in our rural communities across Arizona. We were able to start 
with $10 million, which we were successfully able to distribute 
in increments to small businesses, to help them with everything 
from troubled debt relief to reimagining what their business 
plan could look like in the middle of a crisis. That number is 
now up to $43 million that we have been able to distribute 
statewide.
    In addition, we launched the Arizona Economic Recovery 
Center, which is designed to increase capacity in our rural 
communities, by deploying grant-writers, facilitators, project 
managers, financial experts, and others to help them be more 
successful at winning Federal, state, and foundation grants. We 
desperately need those dollars in our rural communities, and so 
that is what the Recovery Center is doing.
    Just to give you some numbers, we have spent $225,000 to 
date. We have won $6.4 million for our rural communities, and 
we are only just getting started.
    So the State Rural Development Councils have a $10 million 
allocation built into the farm bill. It has not been 
appropriated for the last 12 years. So I am here today to say 
that we are stronger than ever. We would love to partner with 
you and to consider helping us get through appropriations with 
the $10 million that is already allocated there.
    Thank you so much for your time.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Kimber. How about if we go like 
this. Is that good? We will go to this microphone, this 
microphone, this microphone. All right. So go ahead and 
introduce yourself if you would please.

        STATEMENT OF ANGIE RODGERS, PRESIDENT AND CHIEF 
   EXECUTIVE OFFICER, ARIZONA FOOD BANK NETWORK, PHOENIX, AZ

    Ms. Rodgers. Good morning. My name is Angie Rodgers. I'm 
the CEO of the Arizona Food Bank Network, so I am going to talk 
a little bit about the demand side of this conversation. I want 
to thank Congressman O'Halleran. We have worked very closely 
with you and your staff over the years, and I just really 
appreciate the invitation today.
    The Arizona Food Bank Network is a coalition of the 5 large 
food banks and about 1,000 locations across the state. We 
distribute food to all 15 counties, including the very remote 
parts of the bottom of the Grand Canyon.
    And I want to talk about three key solutions to hunger 
today. First, The Emergency Food Assistance Program and the 
Commodity Supplemental Food Program. These food boxes are 
critical to the demand that we are seeing right now. As you all 
know, you have seen pictures of the lines across the country of 
food bank demand. Normally we serve about 460,000 people each 
month. That doubled and even tripled at some point during the 
pandemic and already we are starting to reach high levels today 
because of what we are seeing in our lines.
    What I would like to encourage you to do is to increase the 
TEFAP baseline funding to at least $450 million a year, indexed 
to inflation. I will note that this food does not only help 
hungry people but TEFAP also has a strong impact on the farm 
economy, giving Arizona growers and producers an average of 27 
per dollar as opposed to 16 per dollar at food retailers. I 
would like to you authorize $200 million for storage and 
distribution and $15 million for TEFAP infrastructure grants.
    Second, the local food purchasing program. We 
wholeheartedly support the local food purchasing agreements and 
hope that Congress will be mindful of the potential damage that 
a hard stop to this program 2 years from now could have on 
local farm economies as well as low-income families. We in 
Arizona have been successful at securing a $500,000 
appropriation to help support this program and are looking 
forward to the USDA approving our nearly $5 million application 
to continue this program in Arizona. So far we have purchased 
more than 400,000 pounds of food from our small growers across 
six counties.
    And finally, I would be remiss if I didn't talk about our 
country's most effective anti-hunger program, SNAP. SNAP helps 
about 900,000 people in our state each month. About half of 
them are children. Various waiver flexibilities allowed for 
streamlined enrollment processes and simplified eligibility 
during the pandemic, and we would like to continue that, 
particularly for seniors, college students, immigrant families, 
and other vulnerable populations. We are also recommending an 
increase to SNAP benefits overall so that families have what 
they need to be able to purchase healthier foods.
    While increases resulting from the Thrifty Food Plan were a 
welcome step in that direction, we aren't going to end hunger 
by going from a $1.30 per person to $1.50 per meal.
    Anecdotally, the SNAP emergency allotments, which ended 
here in Arizona, were a game-changer for families living on the 
edge. One woman told me that the one thing she didn't have to 
worry about that month was groceries, which made for paying for 
childcare, rent, gas, and the electric bill much more possible.
    Finally, I understand the importance of work and helping 
people reduce the need for SNAP and other benefits. In 2018, I 
stood here, and the policy of the time limit for individuals 
seeking work was a subject of large debate. At the time, we 
expressed concerns to that policy which bear repeating. We have 
very little in the way of work employment and training 
programs. Nearly 300,000 people could be required to comply 
with work requirements and we only have 125 job training slots 
right now.
    Current services fall far short for helping participants 
get an education or improve employability. Please consider 
these time limits in conjunction with vital work supports in 
evaluating the goal of work and nutrition assistance programs.
    Thank you so much for your time today. I also want to 
recognize the incredible impact that P-EBT had on families and 
flag our concerns about the return of the SNAP 3 month time 
limit. I am happy to share additional comments through your 
email, and thank you for your time.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you. Tom is going to make some 
introductions, and then we will continue.
    Mr. O'Halleran. Yes. I would like to recognize Mayor Jon 
Thompson from Coolidge, who is here today. Jon, where are you 
at? There he is.
    [Applause].
    Mr. O'Halleran. It is great to be back in your community, 
Mayor. And the Honorable Charlene Fernandez, former legislator, 
who is now the State USDA Rural Development Director. Charlene.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. Thanks to both of you for being here. Sir, you 
are up next. Thank you.

      STATEMENT OF CARL AUNE, DUCKS UNLIMITED, TUCSON, AZ

    Mr. Aune. Thank you. I am the Public Policy Chair for Ducks 
Unlimited in the State of Arizona, and I really appreciate you 
all taking the time to come here and listen to us.
    Mrs. Bustos. What is your name?
    Mr. Aune. Carl Aune. One of the important things about the 
farm bill is conservation easements, as we look at not only the 
perpetuity of farmlands and the importance of that community 
but that community, how important it is for habitat 
conservation. So I am here to please ask you to take that into 
consideration when you all look at the farm bill. Thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you very much, Carl. Mr. Udall.

STATEMENT OF CHRIS UDALL, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, AGRIBUSINESS AND 
               WATER COUNCIL OF ARIZONA, MESA, AZ

    Mr. Udall: Thank you, Madam Chair, Representatives 
O'Halleran and Scott. I have to start out first by telling you 
that I have roots in Illinois. My great-great-grandpa, 
Christopher Layton, who I was named after, lived in Big Mound. 
His first job was scaring crows out of wheat fields in North 
Bedfordshire, England, before he emigrated. So we go back quite 
a while.
    Mrs. Bustos. I thought you were okay, but it was because of 
those Illinois roots. Good to see you.
    Mr. Udall. Thank you. My name is Chris Udall. I am the 
Executive Director of the Agribusiness and Water Council of 
Arizona. We were established back in 1978 to respond to 
proposed water legislation, which was our Groundwater 
Management Act. So we have been actively involved in that ever 
since. We later became the state affiliate to the National 
Water Resources Association, which has an office on the Hill. 
We are also very actively involved with the Family Farm 
Alliance. Our members serve on the board and advisory council, 
two entities that represent irrigated ag in 17 western 
reclamation states.
    I figure I better go off my notes or I will end up 
filibustering.
    Collectively, we meet regularly to discuss Federal 
priorities such as water infrastructure funding. We appreciate 
the support of Congress and the President signing the 
bipartisan infrastructure law last year which included water 
infrastructure for agriculture. And we worked with Western 
Water Infrastructure Coalition, Family Farm Alliance, NWRA, 
California Farm Bureau, Association of California Water 
Agencies, Western Growers, we worked with them and 220 
organizations signed on in support of this effort, this 
campaign, to get water included in the infrastructure bill. We 
led an Arizona coalition. It was great to work with Arizona 
Farm Bureau and others here locally to get that done.
    Your staff, Representative O'Halleran, I think we met with 
every Congressional office online at our board meetings. They 
were able to visit with our irrigation district managers. They 
were able to show what was needed as far as water 
infrastructure, to kind of bring them up into the 21st century.
    Other high priorities, of course, are addressing forest 
health, to promote healthy watersheds and their water supply 
capability, providing rural jobs, enhancing an environment for 
everyone and everything.
    Projects happen but not fast enough. I wanted to just 
paraphrase from Family Farm Alliance President Pat O'Toole, who 
spoke 2 weeks ago to the Senate Energy and Natural Resources 
Committee. Unscripted and from the heart, he basically said, 
``We need to quit nibbling at the problems and we need to start 
going larger scale to really address our needs in 
agriculture.''
    Another high priority, of course, is the farm bill. We have 
been actively involved in many of the farm bill discussions 
over the years, campaigning for additional funding for EQIP. 
The AWEP became the RCPP, something that our members have been 
able to use on a regional level to improve water quality, 
quantity. Pub. L. 83-566 is a big one. All those to improve 
efficiencies on the ground.
    NRCS and other agencies are great to work with, but I have 
heard from some of our growers and members that the various 
conservation programs and applications are cumbersome. I 
understand that only 16 percent of American farmers are 
involved in the farm program. It would be nice to see that 
number bumped up. We would like to see less paperwork and more 
applied conservation so the land can be improved upon.
    Farmers and ranchers need programs through NRCS that can 
assist with the purchase of infrastructure, including solar 
panels, pipeline materials, well drilling, tanks, gated pipe, 
and projects to develop water. These benefit food production, 
food security, our wildlife, and our wetlands.
    I don't know what you can do about environmental 
litigation, but it drastically slows up on-the-ground 
improvements or prevents it entirely. I could give you an 
example of our own family ranching operations, which we had for 
a century. We sold it because of the Mexican wolf 
reintroduction and threats of litigation. Our rangeland looked 
great but our carrying capacity was reduced on livestock 
because of fear of litigation. That really must end.
    With current drought conditions on the Colorado River and 
elsewhere across Arizona the time to get projects approved and 
accomplished is now and not 20 years from now. We need so many 
things 20 years ago. It is time to quit nibbling. We need to 
look out for the consumer with food security, which is part of 
our national security, and you can certainly help us with that.
    I appreciate your time, making a trip here to Coolidge, 
Pinal County. They could certainly use your help right now. 
Thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Mr. Udall.
    Sir, if you will introduce yourself and take it away.

 STATEMENT OF KHALIL RUSHDAN, SOCIAL JUSTICE PROGRAM MANAGER, 
               ARIZONA FAITH NETWORK, PHOENIX AZ

    Mr. Rushdan. Good morning. My name is Khalil Rushdan and I 
am the Programs Manager with the Arizona Faith Network. First 
off, let me thank you, Congressman O'Halleran, for inviting us 
to join you today, and then the rest of the Committee for 
hearing us out.
    We'll be talking about food insecurities and justice 
reform.
    The Arizona Faith Network's mission focus is criminal 
justice reform, and then our Social Justice Committee has 
worked with the Association of Food Banks and other partners to 
eliminate the SNAP drug felon ban here in Arizona. As you know, 
in 1996, Congress imposed lifetime bans for individuals 
convicted of a drug felony from receiving food stamps or cash 
assistance. In 2017, Arizona state legislators partially 
repealed the ban, allowing people to participate in specific 
drug treatment programs and agreed to random testing. If they 
did that they would be considered for SNAP benefits.
    Today, I want to ask you to fully repeal the ban 
nationwide. It undermines efforts by individuals striving to 
transition successfully into their communities and provide for 
their families. People reentering society face significant 
barriers already to employment, housing, health, and more. My 
colleague, David Sheppard, will get into the impacts of people 
who can't get access to SNAP.
    But I can speak directly to the hardships also and can 
share that there are a lot of people who are not able to buy 
food. Making food more accessible by reinstating SNAP 
eligibility not only addresses basic needs, it supports 
individuals' overall capacity to succeed.
    Even in ordinary times, formerly incarcerated people are 
confronted with too many legal barriers and other 
disqualifications as a result of their criminal record, and are 
far more likely to experience unemployment because of a 
criminal record. According to data released by the Bureau of 
Justice Statistics earlier this year, jobless rates among 
formerly incarcerated people have not improved as the economy 
had begun to recover.
    It is important to note that, on paper, asking people with 
prior drug convictions to participate in treatment programs may 
seem egregious, if, of course, you overlook the fact that they 
have already paid their debt to society and should have their 
rights fully restored.
    In reality, drug treatment and drug testing are a huge 
burden on people's time, money, and other resources. Going to 
rehab and IOP costs money. Leaving your job to drug test costs 
money. It requires transportation. It requires a job that will 
let you leave early just to go take those tests, and sometimes 
employers are not as lenient.
    So with that being said, police and drug law enforcement 
activity is typically concentrated in low-income communities of 
color, resulting in higher drug-related convictions and 
incarceration rates among Black and brown people as well as the 
disproportionate impact of policies such a lifetime ban on SNAP 
and other assistance. African American adults are five times 
more likely to be incarcerated, and Latinos are one to three 
more times likely to be incarcerated.
    Here in Arizona there has been an increase with women being 
incarcerated, but with that being said, we want you, as 
Congress, to federally eliminate the ban, to make SNAP 
accessible to people reentering the community after prison, 
which would arguably take time. It would really assist them, so 
thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, sir. I appreciate your comments. 
Please step up to the microphone.

          STATEMENT OF TRISTIN KITCH, NATIVE AMERICAN 
PROGRAMS COORDINATOR, VISTA, ARIZONA FOOD BANK NETWORK, PHOENIX 
                               AZ

    Mr. Kitch. Hello, everyone. My name is Tristin Kitch, and I 
am also with the Arizona Food Bank Network. I would be remiss 
if I didn't mention that I also have some Illinois roots. I 
attended the University of Chicago, and I graduated in 2019, 
and like many other people from the Midwest I am now in 
Arizona.
    Mrs. Bustos. Boo. I didn't like that part of it. I liked 
the Illinois roots.
    Mr. O'Halleran. Good job.
    Mrs. Bustos. Well, it's good to have you here this morning.
    Mr. Kitch. Thank you. As you heard from our CEO, Ms. Angie 
Rodgers, earlier, our organization is a statewide coalition of 
food banks with a vision of ending hunger in Arizona. We also 
work with a number of community-driven coalitions and Tribes 
around the state to address food security and food sovereignty. 
I am grateful to be able to speak to all of you today about the 
impact of the farm bill and Federal nutrition programs on 
Arizona's Tribal communities.
    We would like to pass on information that we have learned 
through our work with Tribes and through conversations we have 
had with program managers for the Food Distribution Program on 
Indian Reservations. According to a 2021 survey by the Food 
Research and Action Center and the Native American Agriculture 
Fund, 49 percent of Native Americans faced food insecurity 
during 2021. That is five times higher than the food insecurity 
rate faced by the general U.S. population. In addition, many 
Tribal communities are located an hour or more away from the 
nearest grocery store, and many Tribal members lack 
transportation that is required to get there.
    On top of that, according to a 2018 First Nations 
Development Institute report, staple items at reservation 
grocery stores are over $1.00 more expensive per unit than the 
same foods are at off-reservation grocery stores.
    These factors mean that a SNAP dollar does not go as far to 
provide nutrition assistance in reservation communities as a 
SNAP dollar does in urban communities. Additional support is 
needed to make sure the reservation communities receive the 
same Federal nutrition support as urban communities.
    Based on those conditions, it is critical for Tribal 
members to have as many options as possible to access healthy 
foods. Allowing individuals to dual enroll in both SNAP and the 
Food Distribution Program on Indian Reservations would go a 
long way to effectively address the high levels of food 
insecurity in Tribal communities.
    Additionally, the managers of the FDPIR program that we 
have spoken with are almost universally interested in being 
able to buy food from local food producers and to provide those 
to their clients. This supports Tribal growers and contributes 
to local economy. You may know that Arizona has more Native 
American farmers than any state in the country. Buying local 
enhances Tribes' ability to purchase healthy ancestral and 
traditional foods that help combat diabetes and other health 
programs in Tribal communities.
    Currently, only 8 out of the 276 Tribes benefitting from 
the Food Distribution Program on Indian Reservations are able 
to purchase local foods as part of their program. This was 
authorized during the 2018 Farm Bill. Expanding this program to 
all Tribes using FDPIR program and eliminating the matching 
requirement will improve food access and health in reservation 
communities around the country, contribute to Tribal economies, 
and promote Tribal sovereignty.
    Thank you all for your time.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you.

 STATEMENT OF DAVID SHEPPARD, LAVEEN, AZ; ON BEHALF OF ARIZONA 
                         FAITH NETWORK

    Mr. Sheppard. My name is David Sheppard and I don't know 
about farming or agriculture except that being born in 1944 in 
a small town in Texas I remember moving to a smaller town, in 
Shiloh, Texas, where we didn't have to worry about electricity 
or none of that type of stuff. We didn't have it and we didn't 
have a job because we drew water from the well and my 
grandparents and my parents did all the farming. They raised 
everything that we had, including the chickens, everything.
    So I moved to Arizona, though, in 1958, and the next thing 
that I learned about farming was at Arizona State Prison, in 
1964, because at that time we raised everything. We did all the 
farming. We picked the peas, the corn. We did everything, the 
slaughterhouses and all.
    So I did all of that time, and then this college right 
here, in 1968, I started in Florence and got 29 credits toward 
my degree. I made the dean's list and honor roll and all that 
stuff.
    I talk a lot about me because of the experience that I have 
had just in Arizona, coming from a segregated state to an 
integrated one. The only thing that was integrated in Arizona 
at the time was the Maricopa County Jail. I mean, that was 
segregated, the jail was. But anyway, being in prison and 
coming out, I have been out of prison now like 40+ years. And 
what I have noticed since I have been out is I have worked with 
people that were in prison. I have worked with people that 
needed their rights restored. I have worked with people that 
the barriers that people been going to prison has been a thing 
that has damaged us a lot.
    I was in prison with people that was doing life, and I 
didn't realize that coming out of prison I would have to do 
life. But coming out of prison I had to do life also because of 
all the barriers--housing, employment, and now food. Food 
should be accessible to everybody. It does not matter what the 
situation is. And even getting off parole or getting all that 
stuff in order to get it back I think is not the best way to 
go.
    I now work down at CASS. I don't work at CASS but I work 
down at that shelter. I am a freedom navigator, so I help 
veterans now that have been to prison get jobs, and I try to 
help them with housing and stuff like that. But my biggest 
problem is this whole thing about the SNAP program. I remember 
when food stamps were just a paper thing, a little dollar sign 
on paper and stuff like that. But I see people, and I work with 
people every day that food is a basic necessity. Some of the 
things are not necessary. Food is. And when you start to 
eliminate things, access at getting food because I have been 
convicting of something--I got my rights restored in 1985, so I 
don't have to worry about that particularly. But to do that, I 
think, is not the best way to go.
    I think that Congress and however this whole--politics is 
something I don't know a lot about either, but I know that the 
SNAP program is necessary. Food is necessary for those people. 
When people come out of prison they still have families. They 
come out and they want to start over again, so they want to 
raise their families in an environment that allows them to not 
go back. Food stamps can help that family also.
    It is very difficult to get jobs for people, for felons. 
Like I said, I don't know a lot about politics, but the first 
time I got out of prison in 1967, it was easy to get a job. 
People didn't even seem to discriminate as much as they do now. 
Of course, with the crime rate and all this stuff, now it's 
like that.
    But I'm just saying that people need to understand that 
food is one of the things that should not be touched. Access to 
it should not be touched, because a lot of that is going to 
cause people to go back. Sometimes after being out this long, I 
mean, when my back is up against the wall, I think about how I 
used to survive, and now I don't do that no more. I don't act 
on it. Food stamps also could do a lot for keeping people from 
going back to where they were before.
    Thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Mr. Sheppard.

    STATEMENT OF KENNETH STEEL, HEALTHY COMMUNITIES PROGRAM 
           MANAGER, PINNACLE PREVENTION, CHANDLER, AZ

    Mr. Steel. Hi. Thank you, Madam Chair, Representatives, and 
staff as well. My name is Kenneth Steel. I am the Healthy 
Communities Programs Manager at Pinnacle Prevention. We are a 
nonprofit based in Chandler, Arizona, but we do serve the 
entire state, and we are working to cultivate a just food 
system and opportunities for joyful movement for all Arizonans. 
In doing so, we have been administrating USDA nutrition-related 
programs for over 5 years, and we also convened the Arizona 
Food Systems Network, which is a broad community of advocates, 
practitioners, and leaders all across the state.
    In my comments this morning I would like to share some 
brief recommendations around the Gus Schumacher Nutrition 
Incentive Program, or GusNIP, and then the Senior Farmers' 
Market Nutrition Program, and also Climate-Smart Foodways.
    GusNIP, which is the farm bill's SNAP fruit and vegetable 
incentive program, which is known here in Arizona as the 
Double-Up Food Bucks Program, has had an amazing impact on 
nutrition security and farmer livelihood in our state's urban, 
rural, and Tribal areas. We want to ensure that funding 
continues for GusNIP while also reinforcing reduced or 
eliminated match requirements, just to make implementation and 
expansion of the program in an equitable way more possible.
    There is so much more room to grow with this impactful 
program, both in our state and across the nation. In our 
efforts to expand the program here, especially to grocery 
stores and to corner stores, smaller Arizona-grown stores, we 
have also recognized the need for infrastructure enhancements. 
So we propose the inclusion of additional set-aside funding 
under GUSNIP for infrastructure. That would help stores with 
their technology and point-of-sale enhancements. It would help 
with their cooling and refrigeration options. And even farmers' 
market sites are also in need of constant infrastructure to 
support the comfort of their customers and the quality of their 
products. Today is Saturday. A lot of farmers' markets in 
Arizona need shade structures, misters, other refrigeration 
elements as well.
    With Senior Farmers' Market Nutrition Program, currently 
there are a limited number of opportunities for our older 
adults and our elders when it comes to nutrition security. But 
the Senior Farmers' Market Nutrition Program under the farm 
bill is one of those small but mighty programs that really 
offers seniors local produce and also serves as an additional 
source of revenue for our direct-market farmers, which we are 
really focused on supporting.
    This SFMNP program is also another touchpoint for our 
seniors that continue to be isolated, and so we would love to 
encourage Congress to provide increased and permanent baseline 
funding for the program and then also to increase the maximum 
amount of the seasonal benefit up from $50 per season.
    Last, with Climate-Smart Foodways we are all feeling the 
threat of the climate crisis here in our state, on farmer and 
rancher livelihood and on the viability of agriculture and our 
local food sheds. The Food Systems Network has engaged over 150 
stakeholders around the state to develop an Arizona Statewide 
Food Action Plan and Climate-Smart Foodways rose to the top as 
one of the top four priorities.
    So with that we would love to see a way to have more 
innovation, to give farmers the tools that they need to be able 
to expand climate-smart practices. We have a lot of interest 
from farmers, from ranchers of all sizes, in soil health, water 
efficiency, working with one another, learning from indigenous 
farmers and the practices that they have done for generations.
    So with that we also fully support what has been proposed 
within the Agriculture Resilience Act (H.R. 2803) under the 
farm bill, and also see that as an important solution for the 
climate crisis.
    And with that I will conclude my comments. Thanks so much 
for your time and for your attention. Hope to continue the 
conversation another time.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you.

  STATEMENT OF DAVID DIERIG, Ph.D., MANAGER AND PLANT BREEDER/
             GENETICIST, AGRO OPERATIONS, GUAYULE 
         RESEARCH FARM, BRIDGESTONE AMERICAS, ELOY, AZ

    Dr. Dierig. Good morning. My name is Dave Dierig. I am the 
Manager and researcher for Bridgestone Agro Operations at the 
Guayule Research Farm down the road in Eloy, Arizona. Over the 
past 10 years, Bridgestone has invested over $100 million to 
establish a domestic source of natural rubber. We don't have a 
domestic source here. This has to be created, and this puts us 
at risk.
    I am here today with our collaborative partners from the U 
of A and the Arizona farming community to describe a 
significant opportunity for the Federal Government to help us 
achieve this objective. Natural rubber is a key raw material 
for many critical industries, including, defense, national 
security, transportation, medical supplies, medical devices. 
Globally, we use about 1 million metric tons of natural rubber 
every year, and we spend billions on the import, so it has a 
profound effect on the economy by depending on this foreign 
source.
    Natural rubber has been classified by the U.S. Government 
as a critical material. Synthetic rubber is used, but it just 
does not have the same performance and capabilities as natural 
rubber does.
    The entire world supply of natural rubber comes from one 
biological source. It is a rubber true. It is a clonal tree 
which makes it more susceptible because of the lack of 
diversity to other diseases, and it also comes from one 
geographic location, in Southeast Asia. So that is a risk, 
because of climate change, labor shortages, and geopolitical 
issues, similar to the fertilizer problem. If Taiwan ever got 
invaded, what would happen to our supply that comes into the 
U.S.?
    So this is an opportunity to introduce guayule as a desert-
native, drought-tolerant crop with capabilities that can thrive 
on as little as 2 to 2\1/2\ acre-feet of water. So this would 
help us alleviate the water crisis that we are facing here. It 
is a perennial crop with climate-smart capabilities, such as 
sequestering carbon, because the roots are in the ground for a 
long period of time, so there would be no-tillage practiced. It 
would reduce greenhouse gasses because we are not using as many 
chemicals, like pesticides or herbicides on the crop. And less 
soil erosion and dust pollution due to less acres that would 
have to be fallowed.
    Scaling guayule as a domestic rubber source requires 
planting hundreds of thousands of farm acres in conjunction 
with an expansion of industrial processing capabilities. As the 
new farm bill considers many responses from today, this would 
address the drought and support growers.
    So we are urging several policy options: investment into 
water-saving technologies to provide minimal water use without 
sacrificing yield; direct support to growers for needed 
investment and production; support for scaling commercial 
processing facilities to extract the rubber and other co-
products; promote domestic and export market opportunities for 
co-products from the resin and bagasse; and then increased 
investment into public research to improve rubber yield and 
related traits.
    Oh, one more thing. If you could get President Biden at the 
State of the Union message to say guayule, that would also be 
awesome. Thank you.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. I will leave that one up to Tom to get taken 
care of.
    I just want to do a time check. It is just a little bit 
before our 1 hour mark into this. We have one hour left. So 
take a look at the number of people in line and maybe make your 
comments timely as possible so we can get through to everybody. 
Sir?

  STATEMENT OF ADAM HATLEY, PRODUCER, MESA, AZ; ON BEHALF OF 
               ARIZONA COTTON GROWERS ASSOCIATION

    Mr. Hatley. Thank you, and I will make it brief. My name is 
Adam Hatley and apparently I am the first producer of the 
afternoon. My family and I farm east of Scottsdale on the Salt 
River, Pima, Maricopa Indian community. We have been farming 
there since 1976. We lease 3,400 acres, and currently growing 
cotton, corn, alfalfa, and organic leafy greens. Today I want 
to talk to you mainly about the cotton portion of the farm 
bill. I want to speak to you briefly about some issues that are 
important to my farming operation.
    While cotton prices are stronger than in recent years, 
higher input prices and severe supply chain issues have 
resulted in significant increases in production costs. Most 
producers are expecting a 25 to 40 percent increase in input 
costs for 2022, largely due to higher fertilizer, energy, and 
pesticide costs. As compared to a year ago, fertilizer prices 
have increased by 55 to 120 percent. Supply chain and 
logistical challenges have wreaked havoc on our ability to get 
necessary inputs and equipment parts while creating major 
disruptions in delivering cotton to our customers.
    As producers, we must have an effective safety net. This 
includes a commodity policy that provides either price or 
revenue protection for prolonged periods of low prices and 
depressed market conditions, similar to the PLC or ARC-CO that 
we currently have. It also must include a strong and fully 
accessible suite of crop insurance products that producers can 
purchase and tailor to the risk management needs, similar to 
STAX.
    The Non-Recourse Marketing Assistance Loans Program for 
upland cotton remains a cornerstone for farm policy for our 
industry, regardless of market conditions. The marketing loan 
is important to multiple industry segments to effectively 
market cotton and provide cash flow for the producers.
    There are important policy considerations for extra-long 
staple cotton or Pima cotton, which is grown here in Arizona. 
Overall, the ELS cotton competitive program and the ELS loan 
program should be maintained with potential enhancements in the 
next farm bill.
    And I may add, in conclusion, that since this was written 4 
days that the cotton prices have dropped 20 in the last 3 
days, which compounds the problem that I have already talked 
about.
    So I appreciate your time. Thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Adam. Austin had a comment in 
response.
    Mr. Austin Scott of Georgia. I just want to mention this 
because I want everybody in the room to recognize this. I know 
we are talking a lot about the food supply, and whether it be 
on someone's table who receives it from a food bank or someone 
who goes in the grocery store and buys it.
    We are in a position right now in our country where 90 
percent our food comes from 12 percent of the producers out 
there. I am not going to ask you revenue. If you have got 3,400 
acres I feel sure it is above the threshold where people want 
to stop providing crop insurance subsidies. But I want you to 
know, without America's larger farmers we are going to pay a 
whole lot more for our groceries, whether it is the food bank 
that is buying it to deliver it or whether it is us, as a mom 
and dad walking into the grocery store.
    And so, again, a number that I think you need to hear, 90 
percent of our domestic food supply comes from 12 percent of 
the farmers, and those farm families take a tremendous amount 
of risk, and I can tell you without crop insurance they would 
not have survived some of the past couple of years. And with 
the volatility in the commodity markets today and what is 
happening with the input costs, I think it is more important 
now than ever with protecting our domestic food supply.
    So thank you for what you and your family do.
    Mr. Hately. We are a family farm. My dad is 87, and he is 
semi-retired, so he takes Sundays off. So I appreciate your 
comments.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Adam, and thank you to your father 
as well.
    And just one response to what Austin just said. The name of 
our Subcommittee is General Farm Commodities and Risk 
Management. That is why it is so important, to the point that 
Congressman Scott just made, risk management is critically 
important, so this is an important conversation.

  STATEMENT OF KIMBERLY L. OGDEN, Ph.D., PROFESSOR AND CHAIR, 
     DEPARTMENT OF CHEMICAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEERING, 
               UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA, TUCSON, AZ

    Dr. Ogden Thank you. Thank you, Congresswoman, for being 
here today. I'm Kimberly Ogden. I am a Professor of Chemical 
and Environmental Engineering at the University of Arizona. And 
most people would ask, ``What is a chemical engineer doing 
here, talking about the farm bill?'', but many of us are 
interested in domestic supplies of bioproducts and biofuels and 
using those to replace the traditional petroleum products and 
our greenhouse gas footprint.
    Also, I have been a member of the Biomass Technical 
Advisory Board for USDA at one point, that was funded by the 
farm bill.
    Today I'm talking to you a little bit because my current 
research is funded by NIFA from USDA, and I am working on the 
guayule product.
    The title of the project is a ``sustainable, bioeconomy for 
arid regions,'' and that's what we are really interested in, 
and guayule hits all of the checkmarks for a bioeconomy in an 
arid region.
    As the project director for this, I have to wrangle the 300 
people that have participated in the project, everybody from 
high school interns to growers, undergraduates and graduate 
students, and faculty and extension agents. But what is 
important is that I keep everybody focused on the big goal, 
which is a sustainable bioeconomy for arid regions.
    Guayule is very interesting because you can get so many 
products from it, and we want it to be known as a climate-smart 
commodity. You can get the natural rubber that was mentioned, 
and nature just does a lot better than what us chemical 
engineers can do in terms of synthetic rubber. So we need 
natural rubber for national security, so all those jet planes 
that come down and so forth, they need natural rubber for our 
national security.
    We get latex from guayule, and I think COVID told us why we 
need a lot of latex and gloves. We also get resins. Natural 
resins, natural insecticides and pesticides all come from this 
one particular plant. And then from the bagasse we can get 
things like biofuels, that you can turn into jet fuel, and 
things like that. Or we make termite-resistant particle boards.
    So it is a very good commodity crop that we would like to 
be mentioned in the farm bill, and as was mentioned before, it 
takes 30 to 40 percent less water, and in our region, with the 
rural growers and the Tribal nations that are getting water 
rationing starting like now, it's extremely important for our 
region. Thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you.

   STATEMENT OF STEFANIE SMALLHOUSE, PRESIDENT, ARIZONA FARM 
                     BUREAU, REDINGTON, AZ

    Ms. Smallhouse. Good morning. My name is Stefanie 
Smallhouse. I'm President of the Arizona Farm Bureau. My 
husband and I farm and ranch. My kids are sixth generation. We 
raise beef cattle and have some forage crops, and we grow 
cactus on purpose, so we have a cactus nursery. It's hard to 
believe you have to do that in Arizona but sometimes you do.
    Thank you, Madam Chair, Congressman O'Halleran, and 
Congressman Scott. I know having been an advocate for 
agriculture for I guess I can say decades now the farm bill is 
a heavy lift, and I thank you all for your service on this 
Committee and the fact that this is a many-months-long process. 
And as you can clearly see, and you know, of course, from the 
audience here today, the farm bill touches everyone, not just 
farmers, which is what most of the public believes.
    I'm going to keep my comments fairly broad and conceptual 
with the exception of one specific area of attention.
    What we have found, today in agriculture, is that we are in 
a totally different world than the 2018 Farm Bill. Lots of 
things have changed, which is a challenge for you all and your 
Committee and going through and looking at all of those 
programs and saying, ``Okay, what needs to be tweaked, what 
needs to happen based on where we have been?''
    And one of those things is attention to regional 
differences. There are a lot of programs within the farm bill 
that are one size fits all. The world that we're living in, in 
Arizona, right now, with what's being called a mega-drought, 
has impacted all commodities, all different sectors, specialty 
crops. It has impacted our access to water. It has impacted our 
access to feed. It has impacted our commodity prices. And so a 
lot of the programs that we have used traditionally to offset 
those impacts are looked at, at a national level and not so 
much at a regional level.
    And so that is something, kind of a broad assessment, that 
I think would be very helpful for those programs that are most 
used in Arizona is what can we tweak to make them work better 
than in the last couple of years, given those regional 
differences.
    We had a lot of ad hoc programs that came out of the 
pandemic, and the market disruptions we had with trade. It's 
great to know that the government can bring something to offset 
a problem, but then we often end up with unintended 
consequences with those ad hoc programs, and that goes back to 
those regional differences and access to some of those programs 
where there wasn't enough knowledge in who needed the programs. 
It created some issues for some of our specialty crop growers 
here in Arizona.
    We are all well aware of the disruptions that have happened 
because of the pandemic, because of drought. Wildfires--we are 
obviously seeing a lot more intense wildfires in the Southwest 
and in Arizona, and this is impacting a lot of our ranchers and 
a lot of our rangeland production. Right now there are very few 
programs that I think could be integrated into farm bill 
programs to offset the losses that happened during wildfire. 
Right now, emergency watershed protection, it is a very slow-
moving program. It is very cumbersome. And a lot of times, here 
in Arizona, we get all of this water right after--well, we hope 
we get all this water, let me clarify--in our hopes to get 
water, it happens right after our wildfire season. And so what 
we end up with, we end up with a ton of money and a ton of 
resources going into a wildfire but then everybody picks up and 
leaves and there's nothing left.
    So the conservation title cost list, we need more 
flexibility. Right now there are a lot of people canceling 
contracts with the NRCS because the cost lists don't match 
inflation. So the offset is much more minimal than it was in 
the past.
    Specifically, I want to talk about creative solutions 
within the farm bill. And I know I have reached my time limit; 
I'm trying to talk fast. Within ELAP and LIP we are working 
with Congressman O'Halleran in looking at a coexistence program 
to help our ranchers offset. You heard earlier from a rancher 
who sold his ranch because of the Mexican wolf. Congressman 
O'Halleran is aware of this program. He is championing it for 
us, and we would just appreciate your support in that program.
    And I'll end with climate-smart agriculture. It's a big 
concern that that will be made a condition of participation 
instead of an incentive for participation, and in Arizona a lot 
of those techniques that are readily available around the 
country are not available here and are not applicable.
    Thank you very much.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Stefanie.

          STATEMENT OF WILL THELANDER, PARTNER, TEMPE 
           FARMING CO.; CONTRACT GROWER, BRIDGESTONE 
                    AMERICAS, STANFIELD, AZ

    Mr. Thelander. Hi. My name is Will Thelander, a third-
generation Arizona farmer out here in Pinal County. I'm 
currently working with Bridgestone and U of A people to bring 
guayule out here, so I'm farming and trying to help other 
farmers get involved in it.
    As they said, guayule is a great product for the arid 
region because it only uses 2 to 3 acre-feet of water. What's 
important to understand also is it is 2 to 3 acre-feet over the 
course of 12 months. So corn we grow out here for cows, it's 
120 day corn, so all the water is used in 120 days. Guayule can 
spread out the water, better use the rain when we do get in the 
monsoon. So it's a really unique crop that could be a 
complement to our current products, and if we could get help 
moving that along it would be great.
    As Dave mentioned, it is a 6 to 10 year crop, so it stays 
in the ground longer so you don't need as much tractor work, 
you don't need nearly the inputs you do of other things. So 
much better for carbon output because you're not running the 
tractors. And because the plant stays in the ground for so long 
it sequesters the carbon in the ground too, so that is a huge 
benefit.
    It also helps with wildlife because the plant is out there 
for 6 to 10 years. It creates a canopy. Bees, birds--it's a 
habitat that's not usually there. Because when you have a corn 
crop, you know, we come in, we cut it, and the habitat is gone. 
This habitat is there for 6 to 10 years. So that's a good one. 
I'll try not to take up too much time because they already kind 
of hit on our points.
    What could help us is help funding the projects we are 
working on with U of A, and then mainly infrastructure because 
wells are very expensive to drill. We lost basically all of our 
water from the CAP (Central Arizona Project) Colorado River 
this year. It's not going to be there next year at all, so we 
are all on ground pumps, and they are very expensive to put in.
    So those are the types of help we need to bring a new 
industry to the Southwest, and like they mentioned, not depend 
on Asia for our rubber is a huge strategic benefit to the 
country and the Southwest.
    Thank you for your time and listening. And I think you guys 
are going to be touring our farm later today, so say hi to my 
dad for me and tell him to finish those budgets.
    Mrs. Bustos. Are you going to be there?
    Mr. Thelander. No. I've got to go farm.
    [Laughter].

STATEMENT OF JAMES BOYLE, Ph.D., OWNER, CASA GRANDE DAIRY CO., 
                        CASA GRANDE, AZ

    Dr. Boyle. Good afternoon, Congressmen and Congresswoman. 
I'm Jim Boyle. I dairy farm at Casa Grande Dairy Company, which 
is 5 miles directly south of us here, so welcome to the 
neighborhood. We milk 3,500 cows there and farm about 1,000 
acres. And I bring that up because what I'm going to be 
discussing is a little bit on dairy milk, pricing, which causes 
everybody to glaze over.
    But the important point is traditionally dairy has had very 
hard caps on funding and the size of dairy operations that get 
the full funding. In the 2018 Farm Bill, there was a change in 
the pricing of Class I milk, which is fluid milk, and it was to 
the detriment of dairy producers across the country, 
particularly those in markets that sell a lot of fluid milk, 
like Arizona. We don't bring milk into Arizona. All of Arizona 
milk is produced here in the state, so we have a very large 
Class I market.
    Because of the pricing change in the 2018 Farm Bill, 
Arizona dairy farmers, we suspect, lost about $21 million in 
2020, due to just that simple change in the milk pricing 
system.
    Now you also have to understand there are only 50 of us in 
the state. We have large dairies. The West has always had large 
dairies. That differs from the Midwest, and that has always 
been an issue with dairy policy in D.C., where it's much more 
suited to smaller producers in the Midwest and Northeast.
    So when the Pandemic Market Volatility Assistance Program 
was introduced to rectify that it was capped at 5 million 
pounds of milk per year. That's about the equivalent of 220 
cows. The average dairy in Arizona has 3,000. We estimate we 
lost $21 million because of the Class I mover price. We were 
compensated with II.
    National Milk Producers and IDFA are working on the next 
farm bill to come up with a solution to this problem, but in 
the short-term we are asking the House, for Fiscal Year 2023, 
to rectify that cap that will allow the dairy farmers to recoup 
those losses greater than that 200 cow limit.
    In terms of risk management, the 2018 Farm Bill came up 
with a really great program, the Dairy Margin Coverage Program. 
It's a successful program. It works much better than the 
previous ones. But again, it's got that 5 million pound cap, 
which really limits its use with larger producers out West. So 
when we're looking at that in the next farm bill we would 
really ask you to consider raising that. Certainly, it doesn't 
have to be unlimited but it should, as every dairy in the 
country is growing, not just the West but even the Midwest now 
you see 2,000, 3,000, 4,000 cow dairies, that those producers 
should be able to take advantage of the risk management 
programs that smaller producers do as well.
    So thank you.

        STATEMENT OF BRIAN E. YERGES, GENERAL MANAGER, 
ELECTRICAL DISTRICT NO. 3, MARICOPA, AZ; ON BEHALF OF MARICOPA-
               STANFIELD IRRIGATION AND DRAINAGE 
                            DISTRICT

    Mr. Yerges. Brian Yerges, representing Maricopa-Stanfield 
Irrigation and Drainage District. If you hear an accent, it is 
true I am from Wisconsin. I grew up in a community of 1,000 
people. Rural is my background. I'm happy to be out here, 
though, in Arizona.
    Whether your perspective is historical drought, climate 
change, or maybe even tragedy of the commons, it comes down to 
this: we are in a water emergency. Our irrigation district has 
65,000 farmable acres. In Pinal County, the ag value is about 
$2.4 billion. We lost 70 percent of our CAP water this year and 
the remaining 30 percent next year, so we will have no Colorado 
River water.
    Our supplemental water is groundwater. We've been impacted 
by inflation immensely the last few years in terms of getting 
materials, supply chain, inflation costs related to our wells 
and infrastructure. But we do need to view this as an emergency 
situation.
    Manufacturing, how much of our country is our manufacturing 
in other parts of the world. I don't think we want to outsource 
our food and fiber. It's not just food insecurity. It's food 
security. And so that's the way we need to view this.
    With the loss of the CAP water we're also trying to work 
with our neighbors, the Ak-Chin Indian Community. There is 
concern with the loss of the Colorado Rover water that 
additional groundwater supplies in the Santa Rosa Canal will 
impact their water quality. So we are working with them as well 
as Congressman O'Halleran. Thank you for your support on 
various applications. We've been looking for Federal funding.
    But we need to find another way to get water off of the 
canal and distribute it through pipelines. We have over 11,000 
acres that have no water and many thousands of acres that have 
very limited water.
    And so we need infrastructure funding for wells and 
pipelines. That is the long-term solution. In the short-term, 
we need emergency funding for our ag producers. We talk about 
crop insurance, and that will certainly be helpful, but we need 
crop insurance for an extended period of time as we find 
solutions to get the infrastructure to catch up.
    So with that I want to thank you for all of your work. 
Thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. Where would the pipeline come from?
    Mr. Yerges. Sure. We have 174 wells within our district, 
and so when the system was developed we were using the Santa 
Rosa Canal to distribute groundwater and our CAP water. So we 
need to find alternatives ways to get the water where it's 
needed, so we need an expanded pipeline infrastructure program 
to connect wells, drill additional wells, and basically try to 
divert water off of the Santa Rosa Canal.
    Mrs. Bustos. Okay. Thank you.
    Mr. Yerges. Thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Brian.

STATEMENT OF MAXINE BECKER, J.D., ATTORNEY ADVOCATE, WILDFIRE, 
                          PHOENIX, AZ

    Ms. Becker. Hi. Good afternoon. My name is Maxine Becker. I 
am an attorney with the statewide antipoverty nonprofit 
Wildfire. We work closely with about 60 nonprofits across the 
state to help provide SNAP outreach to our folks across the 
state who need to know about SNAP and get enrolled. And I'm 
here to ask specifically for the farm bill to consider to 
reinstate the pandemic level of SNAP benefits for our poorest 
citizens.
    The average amount of a SNAP benefit per person was $127 
per month, and the pandemic relief provided another $92. I 
think as our partners at the Food Bank Network said it was 
really the first time we had a lot of folks reporting, ``We 
actually have enough that we can actually eat.''
    And, obviously, as farmers, in a farming community and the 
environment, not everything is interrelated. In Arizona we see 
poverty. It impacts every part of everyone's life. So we see 
that we have a housing crisis, where our rental costs have gone 
up almost 30 percent in 1 year.
    Our senior homeless numbers have gone up 25 percent in 1 
year. It is a silver tsunami of folks that we are seeing that 
we can't keep housed, because as rental prices go up their 
fixed incomes are not matching it. And we know that our SNAP 
program is the best antipoverty program that we have out there 
that keeps people just hanging on and fed and can help make the 
difference in those rents as they increase.
    Unfortunately, Arizona receives the lowest allotment of our 
LIHEAP funds. We only have enough money to provide for six 
percent of the need that we have.
    So every little bit of resources helps our most vulnerable, 
people who have disabilities on fixed incomes, our seniors, 
and, of course, children. We thank you for considering 
reinstatement of that allotment.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Maxine.
    All I was going to say is that we are at quarter after, so 
we have 45 minutes left. And just take a look at the line. So 
please be considerate of those behind you and try to keep your 
comments to about 3 minutes. Thank you.

 STATEMENT OF JENNI CARDENAS, Ed.D., VICE PRESIDENT OF STUDENT 
              SERVICES, CENTRAL ARIZONA COLLEGE, 
                          COOLIDGE, AZ

    Dr. Cardenas. My name is Jenni Cardenas, and first I'd like 
to thank you for holding this today, the listening session, and 
allowing citizens like myself an opportunity to speak and be 
heard regarding important topics such as SNAP.
    I have lived in this community for the better part of 40 
years and have worked both in elementary education and higher 
education, where I currently serve as the Vice President of 
Student Services here at Central Arizona College. I'm also 
happy that our Governing Board President, Evelyn Casuga, is 
here with us today as well.
    Growing up in Pinal County and working with youth and adult 
leaders for more than 2 decades I'm no stranger to the 
percentage of students with food insecurity in our education 
system. Unfortunately, this is a common challenge, both in 
Arizona and across the nation.
    CAC, like many other colleges, serves a very diverse 
student body. Even prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, food 
insecurity significantly impacted our learners. Once the 
pandemic began, however, we saw a disproportionate impact on 
our largest percentage of students, which are those who are 
first-generation and low-income students of color.
    In recent years, colleges have focused tremendous efforts 
on equity and eliminating barriers to access and success. This 
work has been done while maintaining academic rigor and 
excellent preparation for our students as they prepare for the 
workforce and prepare for universities.
    In spite of this work, however, the unprecedented demand 
for basic needs such as food over the last couple of years has 
left students, in some cases, forced to choose between whether 
they are going to eat or whether they decide to go into 
education and come to college. We know that college is a key 
pathway to economic mobility and well-being and that students 
who commit to being full-time college students are both 
retained at a much higher rate but also complete at a much 
higher rate than those attempting to do so part-time.
    The temporary exemption to the college student eligibility 
rule for SNAP benefits eliminated the need for countless 
students across the country to have to choose between food and 
their education or to split their time between working to 
juggle college life and working to put food on the table.
    Student services leaders across the state join me in 
support of permanently expanding SNAP eligibility to college 
students, recognizing that attendance in institutions of higher 
education is equivalent to work, thus fulfilling the 
eligibility requirement.
    As one college in the Maricopa Community College District 
stated, ``The scope of need has been unreal, but waiving the 
requirement has helped our students feed their families.'' We 
have seen the tremendous benefit to students this exemption has 
provided over the last year. Permanently expanding eligibility 
to college students will not only help them to meet the basic 
needs of our current students but also expand access to college 
for those students who didn't feel like it was an option for 
them previously.
    Thank you again for providing this opportunity. I 
appreciate the time. Thanks.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Jenni.

 STATEMENT OF JERRY ROVEY, PARTNER, FLYING R FARMS; PRESIDENT, 
        ARIZONA COTTON GROWERS ASSOCIATION, BUCKEYE, AZ

    Mr. Rovey. Committee Members, my name is Jerry Rovey. I'm 
from Buckeye, Arizona. I'm currently the President of the 
Arizona Cotton Growers. I farm about 2,500 acres of cotton, 
alfalfa, corn, wheat, along with my two sons and their wives in 
a family partnership under the name of Flying R Farms. I'm here 
to talk about some points about the farm bill that are not in 
the program but rather the programs have helped keep us in 
business that are outside the farm bill and what that means for 
the future.
    Since the passage of the 2018 Farm Bill, there have been 
several forms of other ad hoc assistance provided to the 
agriculture industry outside of the farm bill. Whether it is 
disaster assistance with WHIP, emergency relief programs, the 
Market Facilitation Program, or the COVID pandemic relief, two 
things are certain: they all were necessary for various reasons 
and commodities and they were separate from the farm bill 
because the existing policies and programs were not fully 
meeting the extraordinary unpredictable needs.
    As you well know, producers are also faced with a dramatic 
increase in production costs that have weakened traditional 
farm policy and crop insurance tools that protect revenue and 
yield losses. The sharp increase in costs translate into a 
significant decline in the effective safety net offered by the 
PLC reference price.
    As Congress plans the path toward the 2023 Farm Bill, 
additional funding is necessary to address the challenges both 
on the farm and throughout the supply chain. The dynamics faced 
by the agriculture industry continue to change, evolve, and 
become more volatile. With those changes, American farmers need 
a farm bill that has the resources to ensure that the American 
people and the world have a safe and affordable supply of food 
and fiber.
    Incidentally, I do have roots in Illinois. My grandparents 
came here in 1912 from a little place called Farmersville. You 
probably know where that's at.
    Mrs. Bustos. But that does go back a few years.
    Mr. Rovey. About 110. And my dad's relatives--I guess they 
are my second cousins--are still farming back there.
    Mrs. Bustos. Good to know. Thanks for sharing.
    Mr. Rovey. Thank you for your time.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Jerry. I appreciate it.

         STATEMENT OF MAUREEN McCOY, SENIOR LECTURER, 
          COLLEGE OF HEALTH SOLUTIONS, ARIZONA STATE 
         UNIVERSITY, PHOENIX, AZ; ON BEHALF OF HIGHER 
               EDUCATION FOOD SECURITY COALITION

    Mrs. McCoy. Hi. Thank you so much for the time today. I'm 
Maureen McCoy. I'm here on behalf of the Higher Education Food 
Security Coalition in Arizona, which consists of food pantry 
leaders in community colleges and universities. And I am going 
to echo what my fantastic colleague, Jenni, said. Twenty-five 
to 45 percent of our college students are food-insecure. This 
is definitely a growing problem that we need to address, and 
those SNAP waivers for college students was definitely a big 
piece of that. And I also ditto Jenni to continue that.
    Additionally, when I'm looking at the walls here and says 
``True Learning,'' no student can truly learn if they are 
thinking about when their next meal might come and knowing that 
it might not. So if we can do something to support that we will 
put our students in a much better spot and increase retention.
    Some additional ideas. Establish a work group between 
Department of Ed and USDA to address college student hunger, as 
the numbers are growing. Having one point of contact at each 
USDA regional office as an expert on college student SNAP 
participation, to help reduce barriers. Providing a method of 
direct certification for FAFSA (Free Application for Federal 
Student Aid) applicants with a parental contribution below the 
SNAP gross income threshold, to set up more students for 
success. It is hard enough to get students through FAFSA, so 
FAFSA then SNAP are a lot of barriers for students.
    Supporting projects connecting SNAP to state financial aid 
offices, just making sure that there are those conversations 
happening. Allow SNAP employment and training programs that 
enroll people in college-based programs that result in 
certifications or degrees to use a one-to-one match rate to 
draw down Federal funds. Creating a unit that has the sole 
function of inviting and timely facilitation of EBT 
applications and restaurant meal programs applications from 
colleges and universities that are using SNAP EBT on their 
campuses for students to purchase food.
    Allowing states to waive SNAP stocking requirements at 
campus stores would facilitate more certification of on-campus 
food retailers to accept EBT. And adding college students to 
the list of people who can purchase a prepared hot meal on a 
college campus that accepts EBT.
    Thank you so much.
    Mrs. Bustos. I appreciate you being solutions oriented, so 
thank you for those ideas, Ms. McCoy. Sir.

STATEMENT OF PAUL ``PACO'' OLLERTON, OWNER, TIERRA VERDE FARMS; 
                PAST PRESIDENT, ARIZONA COTTON 
              GROWERS ASSOCIATION, CASA GRANDE, AZ

    Mr. Ollerton. My name is Paul ``Paco'' Ollerton. I'm a 
current farmer here, a third-generation farmer, in Pinal 
County. And Representative Bustos, just so you know, I think 
I've been part of more farm bills than you have. That's how 
long I've been around. I'm on my 42nd cotton crop, and past 
President of the Arizona Cotton Growers.
    Mrs. Bustos. You've got me beat.
    Mr. Ollerton. Well, I'm not bragging, okay. But anyway, 
thank you for holding this listening session.
    Arizona and virtually all parts of the West are suffering 
from historic drought conditions. Farmers in our state and 
others are not only facing this issue due to Mother Nature but 
also due to severely restricted state water allocations as much 
of our water is drawn from the Colorado River.
    Farmers are always optimistic. Otherwise, we wouldn't be 
farmers. I'm optimistic that what we are seeing today will 
improve in the future. Unfortunately, the 1-in-4 rule 
implemented by USDA's Risk Management Agency dampens that 
optimism when it comes to insuring my crops. The 1-in-4 rule 
requires a grower to insure, plant, and harvest a crop in 1 out 
of the last 4 years to be eligible for prevented plant 
insurance. This is extremely problematic due to the current 
drought facing the West. The 1-in-4 rule was originally created 
for farmland that was never really farmed or farmable due to 
being too wet. Unfortunately, it was expanded to include 
drought.
    We have extremely productive and farmable land, and it has 
a long history of being so. If this drought lasts longer than 
an arbitrary number chosen by RMA, we will start losing the 
coverage unless a change is made at least for our irrigated 
crops.
    In my personal experience, and I can't remember the 
gentleman's name from Maricopa-Stanfield Irrigation District, 
but I farm in two CAP irrigation districts here in Pinal 
County. And in one district I have 45 percent of the allocation 
that I had last year. And the way it looks right now is I will 
have no water for that farm next year. The other farm, I have 
\1/3\ of what I had last year but I do have control of my wells 
and there is some groundwater, but I don't have enough water to 
farm the whole thing.
    The other thing I wanted to mention is I'm the current 
Chairman of the Arizona Environmental Quality Ag BMP Program 
for Air Quality, and as most of you are probably aware, you are 
in Pinal County and we've been declared a serious attainment on 
PM10 emissions. And I beg you, please, to keep the 
EQIP funding for air quality issues for us, to help us in the 
central part.
    Water and air are very critical to life, along with food, 
and I don't know which one is more important. But we have 
expressed our concerns to EPA because everybody wants us to 
just throw water. It is not available for our fixes for 
PM10 emissions.
    Thank you for your time today, and from standing here, you 
all have very comfortable shoes on, I noticed. It looks like 
you're going to do some walking today. Enjoy my part of the 
world, farming, and hopefully you've got lots of water to stay 
hydrated.
    Thanks again for coming.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Paul. Yes, we do have a lot of 
water.
    All right. What do we have? Seven left. Thirty minutes to 
go. Thank you.

 STATEMENT OF ANDREW M. SUGRUE, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF POLICY & 
  ADVOCACY, ARIZONA CENTER FOR ECONOMIC PROGRESS AND ARIZONA 
                   CHILDREN'S ACTION ALLIANCE

    Mr. Sugrue. I'll keep to the limit. Thank you, Members of 
Congress. My name is Andrew Sugrue. I am with Children's Action 
Alliance, which is an independent voice for Arizona's children 
at the capitol and in the community. I'm here today in 
partnership with Wildfire and the Arizona Food Bank Network to 
report out on the impact that the Title IV provisions of the 
farm bill could have. That is nutrition programs.
    I just want to start with a couple of statistics. We've 
been watching the rate of food insecurity, and complementing 
the stories that you've heard from folks all around Arizona, we 
have seen some statistics lately that have been pretty 
troubling. More than 1 in 10 Arizona families are now 
experiencing some level of food insecurity in the past 7 days, 
and that is of earlier this month.
    And Arizona households have also struggled to afford their 
usual expenses. That rate has climbed to 40 percent, and I 
regret to inform you that that is the highest that the 
household poll survey has recorded in the State of Arizona 
since it was used in 2020. Undoubtedly, this rate is higher for 
Hispanic and Latino households as well as Black households in 
Arizona.
    When it comes to anti-hunger programs, specifically SNAP, 
we know that hunger is a symptom of poverty and SNAP is one of 
the most effective anti-poverty tools available to us. 
Congress, through 2020 and 2021, made some really important 
changes to SNAP, including boosting the benefit, issuing 
emergency allotments, allowing the USDA to waive a lot of the 
rules, and a lot of these together helped families through the 
pandemic, through their bouts of food insecurity. So we want to 
thank you for issuing that and working on that over the course 
of the pandemic.
    I want to home in on one specific aspect of the farm bill 
with regard to SNAP, and that's the 3 month time limit for 
individuals on SNAP. As I am sure you are aware, those that are 
unemployed, between the ages of 18 and 50, that are working 
less than 20 hours a week, in households without children, are 
subject to a 3 month time limit for SNAP in cases where they 
don't have kids, in over a 36 month period. This is true time 
limit. It is not a work requirement. There is no obligation on 
the State of Arizona or any other state to assist those that 
are subject to the time limit to find a job, so it effectively 
cuts off benefits for individuals that are seeking employment. 
These are people that could be in really specific situations, 
like former foster youth, like folks with mental health issues, 
folks that are seasonal workers and the like, and we believe 
that this element of the farm bill should be re-examined.
    Thank you so much.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Andrew.

STATEMENT OF ROBERT MEDLER, ARIZONA GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS MANAGER, 
            WESTERN GROWERS ASSOCIATION, PHOENIX, AZ

    Mr. Medler: Good morning. I'm Robert Medler. I'm with 
Western Growers Association. We are a fresh produce association 
based out of California. We have members in Arizona, Colorado, 
New Mexico primarily, but throughout the western U.S. Our 
members grow a little over 50 percent of the fresh produce in 
the United States.
    Three things we would like to talk to you about today. 
First, the labor situation in our industry is critical. Farmers 
are not planting and instead are moving production to Mexico 
because of the lack of, and high cost of, available farm labor. 
As a result, we would like to see the farm bill provide some 
assistance. While we know the House of Representatives already 
passed a bipartisan immigration bill, which is awaiting Senate 
action, we believe this farm bill needs to dramatically spur on 
innovation around automating harvest and farm labor in our 
sector.
    Private companies in the fresh produce industry have taken 
it upon themselves to fund research into automation. Western 
Growers, as an association, has an innovation where we identify 
startup companies working on labor-saving technologies. Our 
sector is heavily engaged and highly motivated, but frankly, 
the speed of innovation is not fast enough nor is the breadth 
of what is being done.
    While we have many larger companies working on specific 
crops, we want to make sure innovation reaches producers of all 
sizes and crops. As a result, we believe that Congress needs to 
make a significant commitment to mechanization and automation. 
A number of existing programs within the farm bill already do 
this work but more needs to be done, significantly more.
    Second, and speaking of innovation, we also need to spur on 
innovation in crop protection products. As you all know, crop 
protection tools are facing serious threats, due to a series of 
losses but also, more importantly, changing consumer interests. 
Our crops do not have the large number of acres to drive 
private-sector research that our friends in the row crop world 
do. As a result, many products that we use have been developed 
as a secondary use of a row crop product, sometimes 10 years 
after development for row crop use, and then research begins to 
authorize use of that product for us, which takes years more.
    Our community needs more assistance in product development, 
both in terms of conventional products but also non-
conventional products, which is where it appears crop 
protection is headed. We cannot wait 10, 15, 20 years for new, 
non-synthetic crop protection tools. Again, the farm bill has 
programs to help assist with that type of research but more 
needs to be done.
    Finally, I want to highlight the issue of food safety. 
Western Growers members are committed to producing the safest 
food in the world, but as Members of this Committee know, 
farming is not done in hermetically sealed laboratories. As a 
result, food safety incidents do happen.
    As a result of the Food Safety Modernization Act (Pub. L. 
111-353), farms are under increasing regulatory scrutiny. 
Additional resources need to be provided to the produce 
industry, both in terms of technical expertise to implementing 
the resulting regulations but also funding for research and the 
new innovations which will make the food supply safer.
    Thanks so much for being here. I appreciate the time.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you.

STATEMENT OF RICARDO MORALES, COMMUNITY ORGANIZER, CHICANOS POR 
                      LA CAUSA, TUCSON, AZ

    Mr. Morales. Good morning, Representative Bustos, 
Representative Scott, Representative O'Halleran. Thank you for 
the invitation. I'm here to talk about the SNAP program. My 
name is Ricardo Morales, and I'm here on behalf of Chicanos Por 
La Causa.
    Following Chicanos Por La Causa's mission of economic and 
political empowerment, I'm here today on behalf of my 
organization and our President, David Adame, to support the 
removal of the 5 year bar that denies critical care and aid to 
people who are lawfully present in this country.
    In Chicanos Por La Causa, we are committed to protect 
immigrant families, and from firsthand I can tell you that we 
know the fear of legally permanent residents, DACA recipients, 
and victims of crime to apply for SNAP.
    Among the Hispanic community we serve there is a wrong 
perception that participating in SNAP could affect immigration 
status or the chances for becoming a U.S. citizen. We believe 
the lift of this ban will restore access to programs like 
Medicaid, CHIP, and SNAP for lawfully permanent residents, by 
removing the 5 year waiting period and other restrictions to 
Federal public benefits.
    Thank you for your time.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you for your brevity. Thank you, 
Ricardo.

       STATEMENT OF MICHELLE ``MJ'' SIMPSON, J.D., STAFF 
 ATTORNEY, WILLIAM E. MORRIS INSTITUTE FOR JUSTICE, PHOENIX, AZ

    Ms. Simpson. Good afternoon, Chair Bustos, Ranking Member 
Scott, and Congressman O'Halleran. Welcome. You are here in 
Arizona in June, so congratulations. Not many people can say 
that.
    My name is MJ Simpson, and I'm from the William E. Morris 
Institute for Justice. The institute focuses on inclusivity and 
accessibility to safety net programs for low-income Arizonans 
and our most vulnerable population of Arizonans. And I'm 
hitting a bit of clean-up here, I think, in that we want to 
advocate for lifting the drug felony ban that Mr. Sheppard 
talked about today. It is cruel to continue to punish folks who 
have done their time and to not have them have access to a 
basic human right, which is food.
    I'm also here to encourage you to lift the work-study 
requirement that was part of the pandemic relief for college 
students. There are not many universities or colleges that can 
actually satisfy the work requirements for college students 
that is required by the SNAP program, and so to continue that 
exemption will help bring an end to the starving student trope 
and make sure that our college students who are seeking a 
better life for themselves are also fed while they do that.
    In addition, what was just discussed, lifting the time 
limit ban for able-bodied adults without dependents. A 3 month 
limitation on, again, the basic human right of food, is cruel, 
and we need to re-examine that issue. They are not folks who 
are living off of the food stamps. They are trying to work. But 
this particular requirement inevitably is actually cruel.
    Also, lifting the bar for lawfully present immigrants in 
Arizona. A 5 year ban for folks who are here, who are 
contributing to society, who are contributing to our economy, 
but don't have access to simply human rights and access to food 
is something that we need to examine. There was a recent bill 
proposed in Congress. We hope that you support that.
    Finally, with respect to accessibility and inclusivity, we 
would like for you to lift any barriers for access to these 
life-sustaining programs by not having technology impede 
people's ability to apply for these benefits. For example, many 
people have talked about ID.me, which is something that the IRS 
was going to implement this year, and almost immediately took 
back because it has problems recognizing folks of different 
races, it has problems with even people using the technology 
and having access to the technology to comply with that 
program.
    So thank you again for being here. I have to say my only 
attachment to Illinois and Georgia, being a native Arizonan, is 
watching the Cubs on WGN and the Braves on TBS. So there you 
go. Thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, MJ.

 STATEMENT OF DEVON SUAREZ, J.D., PRESIDENT, SUAREZ FORESTRY, 
                         LLC, HEBER, AZ

    Mr. Suarez. Hello. Good afternoon. Thank you for holding 
this session. My name is Devon Suarez with Suarez Forestry. We 
are a logging company out of northern Arizona. We do forest 
restoration in the 4FRI footprint.
    I want to talk to you about two specific problems that I 
see in our industry in northern Arizona. The first one is the 
availability of acres that are available for us to treat, and I 
believe this puts our ability to treat acres and save forests 
in northern Arizona in jeopardy.
    It seems that the Forest Service is currently lacking the 
capacity or maybe the willpower to issue acres to be under 
contract for loggers like us to treat. A quick survey of the 
logging industry in northern Arizona, it seems like every 
logger only has less than 1 year, or about 1 year of contracts 
under contract.
    My company specifically works in the Kaibab and Coconino 
National Forests, and our section of the industry needs about 
13,000 acres per year. Last year, the Forest Service only 
released 7,000 acres. We are already at a deficit. If they are 
not releasing more, going forward, it puts us further into 
deficit, and we have to ask ourselves, how are we going to 
catch up?
    When 4FRI Phase 2 was rescinded it seems like the Forest 
Service didn't take into account the local industry at the 
moment. So now the potential bidders of that 4FRI Phase 2, it 
seems that instead of needing 13,000 now they have a new 
sawmill going into Belmont and we are going to need to add 
maybe an additional 5,000. So if we are going to need 18,000 
acres next year, going forward, where are these acres coming 
from? I think this is very concerning to companies like me.
    Another big issue for us is biomass. The Forest Service is 
requiring us to remove biomass from these projects where we 
don't have a market. So if we are required to remove this, and 
we are required to remove this in order to get new contracts, 
where do we take this? There is a small market in eastern 
Arizona, but it is prohibitively costly for us to take biomass 
to this facility.
    One last thing. We just experienced the Pipeline Fire in 
northern Arizona. My company was obviously at a standstill, 
wondering if we were going to be closed out of the forest, if 
we were going to be shut down. If they did shut down the forest 
it would be like a moment's notice, ``Hey, take you out of the 
forest.'' So if we would be able to get your assistance in 
finding ways to mitigate this problem. We do have fire 
mitigation programs, protocols in our program, so it's not like 
we're the general public that we're just out there, starting 
wildfires. We are out there trying to save the forest, and we 
are subject to these seemingly arbitrary deadlines.
    Thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you.
    Mr. O'Halleran. Before you leave today, could you talk to 
me for a second?
    Mr. Suarez. Yes. Thank you.

STATEMENT OF YADI WANG, Ph.D., FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT, VERTICAL 
 RESOLUTIONS; MEMBER, LEADERSHIP COUNCIL, REGENERATE AMERICA, 
                           TUCSON, AZ

    Dr. Wang. Hi. My name is Yadi Wang. I'm a first-generation 
farmer by heart. After graduating from chemical engineering and 
a Ph.D. in watershed management--in fact, my Professor was 
right there speaking earlier--people think I'm crazy getting 
into farming. But my father-in-law was a sixth-generation 
farmer in Indiana, and I learned everything from him, in 2015. 
He passed in 2016, in the field, at the age of 59. Everybody 
said, ``Early age.'' And I made my lifetime commitment to 
farming because it is a respected profession, first of all.
    Last week I was able to go to Representative Bustos' 
office, talking with USFS, and talking about dripless area 
conversation. It is a unique area. And we all know conservation 
is all unique location using different practices, but it is all 
on the same principle. And growers need help getting more 
access to EQIP programs, getting more funding, but not just 
more funding but funding that can have deferred loans, that can 
have the up-front capital cash flow to implement them. A lot of 
growers can't do that because there are a lot of operating 
loans and they have to pay the interest over time. So that is 
one area that producers across the nation all need help.
    I'm here representing Regenerate America, launched last 
month, and then by ``Kiss the Ground'' team, which is a movie 
on Netflix. If you haven't watched it we encourage you to watch 
it. It is talking about soil health across the region, like our 
nation. Representative Scott and a dear friend, White Oak 
Pastures in Clay County, Georgia, 25 years regenerative 
agriculture practice, 100,000 tons of CO2 sinking to 
the ground, flood mitigation. There is no flooding situation 
after 6" of rain every day. The neighbor has flood and runoff, 
and because of the cover crop, because of the roots, those are 
holding water that prevents those risk mitigation.
    And here in Arizona we have the same situation. When Pinal 
County cut water out, those fallow lands, that's where we get a 
PM10 issue. If we have cover crops, conservation 
cover on the surface, and then we are able to allow them--
there's no dust blowing. Two years ago I went to our farm west 
of Gila Bend. There was blowing dust everywhere. I had 
windshield brushing because I couldn't see anything. Today we 
are 380 acres working land all covered and no dust blowing, and 
conserve 350 million gallons of water by growing wheat, 
compared to alfalfa in our region. Alfalfa is a big water-
sucker. And we need to find a newer commodity to be able to 
solve big issues.
    I thank you for your time.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Mr. Wang.
    Okay. We are down to three people, 10 minutes.

 STATEMENT OF TAMARA DE LEON, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, RURAL WATER 
             ASSOCIATION OF ARIZONA, FLAGSTAFF, AZ

    Ms. De Leon. I'll be short. Well, I am short.
    [Laughter].
    Ms. De Leon. My name is Tamara De Leon. I am an 
environmental engineer and the Executive Director of Rural 
Water Association of Arizona. Thank you so much for the 
invitation.
    For those who don't know us, we provide technical 
assistance and support to small rural water systems all over 
Arizona, defining small rural water systems as systems that 
serve a population of 10,000 or less.
    I want to say that I generally appreciate this conversation 
that we are having. I have personally worked with other Federal 
and state funding programs, and it is kind of sad to see good 
initiatives go to waste just because those who wrote the 
programs didn't understand the hurdles or the need of those 
that really need that funding. So this is a beautiful 
opportunity.
    All I can suggest for this Committee is to consider, since 
water is kind of an important deal in this conversation, 
consider initiatives that promote robust programs for water 
loss prevention. The way I see it, it's like taking my car to 
the mechanic. I don't want him to look at the transmission 
first. I want to check all the O-rings. So water loss 
prevention is something that is easy. Our small systems really 
don't have the tools or the knowledge on how to do it. 
Organizations like ours can help them on that.
    So if you are interested we are here to help. We can talk 
and see how we can solve or do a little something to change 
this. Thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you so much.

 STATEMENT OF NANCY CAYWOOD, COORDINATOR, CAYWOOD FARM TOURS, 
                 CAYWOOD FARMS, CASA GRANDE, AZ

    Ms. Caywood. Hi. I want to thank you for being here. I 
really appreciate it. My name is Nancy Caywood and I represent 
Caywood Farms. We are a 90 year old farm, fifth generation, and 
I want to thank you, Representative O'Halleran, because you 
came out and visited it, and I hope you enjoyed the cookies.
    Anyway, we're concerned about water and infrastructure, and 
I've been listening to all of these food and nutrition programs 
and about them, and their missions are so important. But we 
can't help them accomplish their missions if there are no 
farms. So the bottom line is agriculture is freedom, and we 
need to sustain our farms. Nutrition does start on the farm.
    As we look at infrastructure money, we're with the San 
Carlos Irrigation District and we have to pay for 2 acre-feet 
of water whether or not it is received. Our rates just went up 
$29, and they can't deliver any water. Our canals were shut 
down about 3 weeks ago, and we're just not getting any water 
delivery whatsoever. So we are drying up. We cannot produce.
    We would like for you to consider maybe a provision in the 
farm bill to assist farmers that have to pay for water 
allocations whether or not if it is received to be paid to the 
farmers in order to help subsidize our water costs. Because we 
are going to lose it. This is attached to our water and taxes, 
and we're afraid we're not going to be farming too much longer.
    We know that the Colorado River is getting lower and lower, 
and the need for infrastructure money in our system is so 
important, because we can't even qualify for other water unless 
we have canal lining.
    Anyway, once again I want to thank you, and we need to 
sustain our farms. We need to preserve our farms. It is so 
important. Thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Nancy. Last but not least.

   STATEMENT OF MITCHELL GOODMAN II, PROGRAM MANAGER, FAMILY 
     ASSISTANCE DIVISION, TOHONO O'ODHAM NATION, SELLS, AZ

    Mr. Goodman. Good afternoon. My name is Mitchell Goodman. 
I'm from the Tohono O'odham Nation, Florence Village, right 
down the road. I work for the Family Assistance Division as a 
Program Manager and oversee food distribution program, burial 
assistance, general assistance, and LIHEAP relief program for 
energy assistance, so pretty much serving those in low-income 
or, like you said, the vulnerable population.
    I am just coming up to share we are thankful for our 
program being 2 hours, 1 hour away from the urban area to get 
sustainable food or having food on a consistent basis. We are 
thankful for programs. We know that during the pandemic we saw 
a lot of the effects with a lot of providers who have passed in 
homes, a lot of hardship with not being able to do education 
without the infrastructure in place for internet, to do online 
schools, doing telemedicine.
    We see a lot of our elders and youth and sole-parent 
families being affected during this time where food is the 
need. They are grateful when they come out to food banks, and 
when they do sign up. Right now we have about 400+ regular 
applicants, but the need is still out there. People call in. So 
there is that barrier of the process as far as acquiring and 
being eligible and being able to use electronic means or even 
getting right to our area. So we're trying to figure out those 
ways to reach the people and get the infrastructure in place 
and the resources in place, the funds, to reach our elders and 
our youth that are spread out through the nation.
    We have 34,000 members, and the nation is the size of 
Connecticut, so that is a large area to cover. We have six 
staff that are distributing food throughout the nation. And 
right there I just want to say if you use the seed as a 
metaphor, it's a blessing because it just continues to give 
with the right environment and the right support, the seed.
    I think back right now it was O'odham New Year, which is 
the picking of the baidaj, picking of the saguaro fruit, the 
cholla buds. And so we want to get back to being self-
sufficient and resourceful and sustainable by utilizing our 
environment. With the right funding and supports ultimately we 
won't have to just use processed foods or have the long-term 
effects of processed food, the toxins and things like that that 
affect our people. So that is the ultimate goal, to be 
sustainable, self-sufficient, and have small gardens.
    We have the co-ops, San Xavier Farm, but as far as even 
implementing our foods into food bank or commodity foods and 
having it where each community has their own gardens and can be 
self-sufficient and sustainable like that, the environment. We 
have mesquite beans. We have cholla buds. We have prickly pear. 
All the resources are around us. The grease or the shegoi is a 
medicine, the tea. It's all around us. It's just a matter of 
the resources to utilize those naturally growing goods and what 
our ancestors, all these thousands of years, survived off of, 
and how our families continue.
    Because I was thinking of Maslow's hierarchy of needs. The 
basic need has always been food. But with the changing of 
times, like they say, the top of the hierarchy is self-
actualization, and with the enterprises and the larger 
businesses, I think the ultimate goal is to share, give and 
donate, and it trickles down. So I think that right there, with 
the family environment, right now we are just able to use what 
we have and make it last. Don't live above your means. So I 
think that's the ultimate goal and value right there. If you 
have it, share it. So hopefully they can see that. That's goal.
    So I just wanted to share on that. Thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. All right. Thank you very much for those 
comments.
    All right, you guys. We are almost at the hour. I'm going 
to let Austin have a couple closing thoughts, then I will share 
a few, and then we're going to have your own Congressman close 
everything out. Congressman Scott.
    Mr. Austin Scott of Georgia. I want to thank you for taking 
time to come here on a Saturday. We're going to have a 
tremendous number of discussions on the food supply, whether 
that be how it gets to the grocery store, how it gets to the 
table through food banks or SNAP or other things.
    One of the big debates we're going to have is going to be 
on hot foods. I will tell you it makes no sense to me that you 
can buy a Kit Kat but you can't buy a rotisserie chicken. Some 
of the people back home called me the ``food police'' when I 
suggested that I do not think we should be allowed to buy candy 
bars with our SNAP benefits, not that I don't want a kid to 
have a candy bar. But I do think we have a serious problem with 
obesity in this country, and I think that we can do a better 
job by implementing not exactly what we have with WIC but 
systems that encourage the purchasing of more nutritional foods 
than we currently have.
    Dr. Wang, I wish you the best success, and if you are able 
to do like the gentleman with White Oaks Farms has done, you 
will create a niche market and you'll make a lot of money doing 
that.
    Dr. Wang. [Inaudible].
    Mr. Austin Scott of Georgia. Fair enough. But I do want to 
say this. If you go to his website, a pound of chicken is 
$25.59 for one pound of boneless chicken breast. We, in this 
country, 99 percent of Americans, including the one that's 
talking right now, can't afford to pay $25 a pound for chicken 
breasts. He has done a wonderful job building a business around 
a niche market in agriculture, and there are a few people that 
can pay $25 a pound for chicken. But Americans, as a whole, 
want to be able to walk into a store and pay $5 to $7 for a 
whole rotisserie chicken. I know in my family we do.
    So I do think we have to be very careful about making sure 
that when we talk about the food supply that we don't do things 
that create a scenario under which it's not affordable for the 
average Americans.
    Again, 90 percent of the food supply comes from 12 percent 
of the farms, and as we engage in the farm bill understand that 
it's somewhat of a game of sudoku. If you spend more money in 
one area that means there's less for another area, and finding 
that balance is a pretty tough job.
    So thanks for being here and sharing your thoughts, and I 
look forward to working with you.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Congressman Scott, for those 
closing comments.
    I just want to also say thank you to everybody for taking 
your time to come out here. Again, you're making history here. 
This is our first listening session. It's incredibly important. 
I look at everything from drought, labor issues, mechanization, 
automation, logs, first-generation farming, soil health, rural 
water systems, the rubber crop. I'm not using the right word on 
that but I'm very excited to learn more about that today. We're 
going to tour. But incredibly healthy, food insecurity. This is 
very, very helpful to us as we take a look at the 2023 Farm 
Bill.
    So I want to say thank you to everybody. I also want to 
reiterate my thanks to Central Arizona College for hosting us. 
Again, a beautiful location here. If we can have a round of 
applause very quickly for the college for being such great 
hosts.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. I want to thank the police force for making 
sure that everything went smoothly. Thank you so much to our 
police officers who are here today.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. And Congressman O'Halleran, thank you for 
inviting us to your district. We have a couple of tours that 
we're going to take before we go home. I think Congressman 
Scott is going to take the redeye. So we're going to be working 
pretty hard. I'm going to fly out first thing in the morning. 
But, I very much look forward to learning a little bit more 
about what is grown here in Arizona. Because if you're from 
Illinois or if you're from Georgia, this is also a learning 
experience for us.
    So with that let me turn it over to your hometown 
Congressman, Tom O'Halleran.
    Mr. O'Halleran. Well, I want to thank everybody for being 
here today also. It's a great thing to come out here and listen 
to you. Now we just have to do. Stop the listening, O'Halleran, 
and start doing.
    Chris, you started out when you talked about it's got to be 
faster, basically. We have to work faster at this stuff. We 
can't wait to bring a bill forward and an idea forward and a 
concept forward and then, 5 years later, still be bickering 
back and forth on how do we accomplish the ultimate goal of 
addressing public policy in a meaningful way. So that's one of 
the messages that I heard very loud and clear, a few times here 
today.
    Education. We are short of people in our workforce across 
the entire spectrum, and what we do know, and we should 
correlate to much more, is that when we have students out there 
that have to quit college because they have to go out and find 
a job because they aren't getting fed enough, or they can't 
afford housing and stuff, that is counterproductive to the 
overall goal and objective of getting the type of labor force 
that's competitive, not only here in our country but around the 
world, because that is where our adversaries are at.
    And I've got just something.
    Mrs. Bustos. Well, if you'll just read this.
    Mr. O'Halleran. I'm going to read that for you.
    Mrs. Bustos. When you're done.
    Mr. O'Halleran. I'm going to remind this Illinoisan that 
this district is larger than the State of Illinois.
    Mrs. Bustos. Really?
    Mr. O'Halleran. Yes, by 2,000\2\ miles. And you know the 
gentleman I have a debate with all the time, Culbertson, back 
in Illinois.
    Mrs. Bustos. Yes, I do.
    Mr. O'Halleran. And I also would like to say to Mr. Scott 
here that it was a pleasure talking to him on the plane a 
little bit last night, but he noted that it's a long plane ride 
out here. He's glad his is an hour and a half and mine is 5 and 
a half.
    But let's get back to this. We listened. You hold us to it, 
and that's the bottom line. We have to understand that we have 
to turn things over faster. It's been a frustration of mine, 
I'm sure yours also, both of you. You know, you come from a 
business background or a background that's structured very 
purposely to get things done, and then you go to Congress and 
you find this wave of ``Oh, we're interested,'' and ``Nope, I 
guess we're not.'' ``We're interested.'' ``Nope.'' Because 
other issues come around.
    We just have to get more done faster. This is the 
environment of our country. When you hear authority, integrity, 
and leaders from around the world saying, ``We can just do it 
faster. Just stick with us,'' we have to change.
    So this is why these listening sessions are so critically 
important. We aren't going to be able to change unless the 
people of America voice their concerns and push us harder and 
faster and being able to address the real issues that are 
affecting you, day in and day out, and make that a priority.
    So with that I really want to thank you. She is persistent, 
isn't she? That's why she's Chair.
    For those who didn't want to make their comments publicly 
the Agriculture Committee will be rolling the opportunity for 
farmers, ranchers, consumers, and taxpayers to share their 
thoughts on the various farm bill programs.
    That was a reading test, by the way, for her.
    Madam Chair, thank you very much. Thanks for being here.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thanks, everybody. I appreciate it.
    [Applause].
    (Thereupon, the listening session was adjourned at 1:05 
p.m., M.D.T.)
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          Hon. Austin Scott, a Representative in Congress from Georgia; 
        Hon. Cheri Bustos, a Representative in Congress from Illinois; 
        Hon. Tom O'Halleran, a Representative in Congress from Arizona
        
        
          Kimber Lanning, Founder and Chief Executive Officer, Local 
        First Arizona/Rural Development Council
        
        
          Angie Rodgers, President and Chief Executive Officer, Arizona 
        Food Bank Network
        
        
          Carl Aune, Ducks Unlimited
        
        
          Chris Udall, Executive Director, Agribusiness and Water 
        Council of Arizona
        
        
          Khalil Rushdan, Social Justice Program Manager, Arizona Faith 
        Network
        
        
          Tristin Kitch, Native American Programs Coordinator, VISTA, 
        Arizona Food Bank Network
        
        
          David Sheppard, Laveen, AZ; on behalf of Arizona Faith 
        Network
        
        
          Kenneth Steel, Healthy Communities Program Manager, Pinnacle 
        Prevention
        
        
          David Dierig, Ph.D., Manager and Plant Breeder/Geneticist, 
        Agro Operations, Guayule Research Farm, Bridgestone Americas
        
        
          Adam Hatley, producer, Mesa, AZ; on behalf of Arizona Cotton 
        Growers Association 
        
        
          Kimberly L. Ogden, Ph.D., Professor and Chair, Department of 
        Chemical and Environmental Engineering, University of Arizona
        
        
          Stefanie Smallhouse, President, Arizona Farm Bureau
        
        
          Will Thelander, Partner, Tempe Farming Co.; Contract Grower, 
        Bridgestone Americas
        
        
          James Boyle, Ph.D., Owner, Casa Grande Dairy Co.
        
        
          Brian E. Yerges, General Manager, Electrical District No. 3; 
        on behalf of Maricopa-Stanfield Irrigation and Drainage 
        District
        
        
          Maxine Becker, J.D., Attorney Advocate, Wildfire
        
        
          Jenni Cardenas, Ed.D., Vice President of Student Services, 
        Central Arizona College
        
        
          Jerry Rovey, Partner, Flying R Farms; President, Arizona 
        Cotton Growers Association
        
        
          Maureen McCoy, Senior Lecturer, College of Health Solutions, 
        Arizona State University; on behalf of Higher Education Food 
        Security Coalition 
        
        
          Paul ``Paco'' Ollerton, Owner, Tierra Verde Farms; past 
        President, Arizona Cotton Growers Association
        
        
          Andrew M. Sugrue, Assistant Director of Policy & Advocacy, 
        Arizona Center for Economic Progress and Arizona Children's 
        Action Alliance
        
        
          Robert Medler, Arizona Government Affairs Manager, Western 
        Growers Association
        
        
          Ricardo Morales, Community Organizer, Chicanos Por La Causa
        
        
          Michelle ``MJ'' Simpson, J.D., Staff Attorney, William E. 
        Morris Institute for Justice
        
        
          Devon Suarez, J.D., President, Suarez Forestry, LLC
        
        
          Yadi Wang, Ph.D., Founder and President, Vertical 
        Resolutions; Member, Leadership Council, Regenerate America
        
        
          Tamara De Leon, Executive Director, Rural Water Association 
        of Arizona
        
        
          Nancy Caywood, Coordinator, Caywood Farm Tours, Caywood Farms
        
        
          Mitchell Goodman II, Program Manager, Family Assistance 
        Division, Tohono O'odham Nation
        
        
          Hon. Austin Scott, a Representative in Congress from Georgia; 
        Hon. Cheri Bustos, a Representative in Congress from Illinois; 
        Hon. Tom O'Halleran, a Representative in Congress from Arizona


 
                     A 2022 REVIEW OF THE FARM BILL

                     (PERSPECTIVES FROM THE FIELD)

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                         THURSDAY, JULY 7, 2022

                  House of Representatives,
                                  Committee on Agriculture,
                                                        Fresno, CA.
    The Committee met at 10:00 a.m., P.D.T., at California 
State University, Fresno, 5241 N. Maple Ave., Fresno, CA, Hon. 
Jim Costa presiding.
    Member present: Representative Costa.
    Staff present: Daniel Feingold, Paul Babbitt, Victoria 
Maloch, Faisal Siddiqui, Lisa Shelton.

   OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. JIM COSTA, A REPRESENTATIVE IN 
                    CONGRESS FROM CALIFORNIA

    Mr. Costa. Good morning, everybody. I think we've got a 
good group of folks this morning, and we've got an ambitious 
schedule to have a listening session as it relates to the 
reauthorization of the 2023 Farm Bill that the Congress will 
take action on next year in the next Congress. But in the 
meantime, we are having listening sessions throughout the 
country.
    And as the Chairman of the Subcommittee on Livestock and 
Foreign Agriculture, I absolutely indicated that we had to have 
a listening session here in California, and I couldn't think of 
any better place than at my alma mater here at Fresno State. Go 
Dogs; right? So part of the Mountain West but who knows? Maybe 
part of the PAC-10, soon to be. So I'm putting a plug in there.
    But we're glad to have representatives from throughout the 
valley here, and I'll go into more detail about that. But I 
would be remiss if we did not begin by giving an opportunity 
for the President of our university here, Fresno State, to 
welcome us all at the campus and the important work that this 
campus does. And I want to brag a little bit.
    It's one of the premier universities, I think, in the West. 
Certainly, the Ag School is absolutely well-known for all of 
the academic products that it produces. We're on 2,000 acres. 
People forget the farm is right here, and not only the efforts 
with the dairy and the viticulture but the specialty crops, the 
ag science, the ag business, all of that is an important 
reflection of the number one agricultural state in the nation.
    So it's fitting and appropriate that we do it here at the 
university. President Saul Jimenez-Sandoval, my friend, the 
ninth President of Fresno State University. Think about it. 
Founded in 1911, and there have been nine Presidents of the 
University of California at Fresno State. So we're very proud 
of that fact.
    The President will go on to talk about all the other 
incredible things, the Kremen School of Education providing 
master's programs, that Sid and Jenny Craig School of Business, 
the Engineering School. The list goes on and on and on: 25,000 
students, of which over 70 percent are the first in their 
family to go to a university. Think about that. This university 
is doing what it's supposed to do here in our Valley and in 
California, and we're so proud of it.
    So without further ado, let's give a warm welcome, and he 
will give us a great greeting. The President of Fresno State 
University, home of the Bulldogs, President Dr. Saul Jimenez-
Sandoval. President. Mr. President.

     STATEMENT OF SAUL JIMENEZ-SANDOVAL, Ph.D., PRESIDENT, 
        CALIFORNIA STATE UNIVERSITY, FRESNO, FRESNO, CA

    Dr. Jimenez-Sandoval. Thank you so much. Thank you very 
much for that, and it's great to welcome you all to Fresno 
State. Fresno State, as Congressman Costa said, is the premier 
university not only in the region but also in the West. And I 
want to thank and recognize Congressman Costa for his 
leadership on issues that are so important to our agricultural 
community as well.
    As somebody who grew up on a farm and as somebody who has 
really a strong pulse of what's happening with agriculture in 
the region, this is an especially important meeting for me 
because agriculture in our Central Valley is the backbone of 
our economy. Think about it: 60 percent of everything we do 
economically here in the Valley is based on agriculture, and 
the other 40 percent is directly tied to that 60 percent.
    So with that, this is the type of forum that we need in 
order to really press the issues of water and labor that are so 
pressing to our farmers today, but not only to our farmers but 
also to our community as well.
    Food supply of California is now, of course, a national 
security issue, which, of course, is going to become also an 
international security issue. So more and more, the Central 
Valley is going to take a premier central role in what the 
future of California is going to become. We represent one 
percent, one percent of ag land in the U.S., and yet we produce 
25 percent of all agricultural products. That's it right there.
    But the other counterpart to that, of course, is that by 
the year 2050, we will be nine billion people in the world, and 
we will have to produce 60 percent more food--60 percent more 
food. That's quite a challenge for us. And the challenge then 
is exactly what we need to take on right now.
    This is our time. This is our moment in order to become 
aware of the value that the Central Valley provides not only to 
ourselves, to California, to the United States, but to the 
world as well. It's ours. This is our value, and that value, of 
course, comes with a price.
    The price then needs to be, again, those two main issues of 
water and labor. How do we resolve this issue then? We resolve 
it by better engineering. With better engineering on the farm, 
we get better products. We get more production on the farm. But 
at the same time, we also need better laws. We also need better 
legislation. We also need better policy that speaks to the 
reality of the farm and of the community. It's the community at 
the end that's at the stake of all of this.
    With this in mind, then, the Central Valley is crucial I'm 
going to say not only to the region but to California and to 
the United States. It's crucial to the future of California. 
There is no California without the Central Valley, and there is 
no California without the ag of the Central Valley.
    As a premier university, like the Congressman said, in the 
top agricultural region in the world, we are the most 
productive region in the entire world. What we have here is 
something so unique, so unique. You see other parts of the 
world. There are small farmers who are trying to produce, but 
they just don't quite do it because we have an incredible 
history of agriculture here, an incredible knowledge of 
agriculture here.
    Within this then, the repetition of Fresno State for 
applied research on agriculture and water are uniquely 
positioned to lead in strategies that directly address the 
issues facing our farmers. And again, this has to do with these 
two pillars that I'm going to present to you today. On the one 
hand, it's engineering. Better engineering in the farm means 
more production in the farm. And on the other hand, we have to 
speak about policy, of course.
    So with that, it's my honor then to welcome you to Fresno 
State. It is my honor now to give the forum to Congressman 
Costa. Thank you very much.
    Mr. Costa. Well, thank you very much. We've just heard from 
the big dog, home of the Fresno State Bulldogs, and President 
Saul, you are doing a terrific job and thank you very much for 
the leadership you provide for our university and all the 
schools contained within the university campus.
    And we obviously have a partnership and a friendship that 
speaks well of the President and he gives me directions and we 
were very proud Tuesday with Secretary Jenny Moffitt to 
announce a $20 million grant to the university to deal with 
dairy sustainability. And so, it's a good fit with the 
university, and it was good news to have her out here because 
she's no stranger here.
    And Karen Ross wanted to be here, and I think she's got 
someone from the Food Board here, although I've not seen Don 
Cameron here, but I know that he was going to try to be here. 
And--but obviously, Karen Ross does a terrific job on behalf of 
representing California agriculture and the Governor.
    So I want to kind of lay out the rules here so we 
understand before I make a few comments on how we're going to 
proceed. We began precisely at 10:00, and we will go until 
1:00. That is the plan.
    On behalf of the House Agriculture Committee Chairman David 
Scott from Georgia, I am pleased to chair this official 
committee listening session entitled, A 2022 Review of the Farm 
Bill: Perspectives from the Field, which all of you represent, 
but in my view, setting the table, literally and figuratively, 
the table that feeds America for the 2023 Farm Bill 
reauthorization.
    And I try my level best every day to be a strong advocate 
on behalf of not only California but American agriculture 
because food, as we all know, is a national security issue, as 
President Saul Jimenez-Sandoval indicated.
    This listening session will be to hear from you what's 
working and what's not working with programs. This is my fourth 
farm bill reauthorization since coming to Congress, and I want 
to hear and the Committee staff that is here wants to hear 
where you think we can make improvements in, in the 2023 Farm 
Bill reauthorization.
    Obviously, we represent the number one agricultural state 
in the nation, almost \1/2\ the nation's fruits and vegetables, 
20 percent of the dairy products in America, number one in 
citrus production, 70 percent of the world's almonds, 50 
percent of the world's pistachios. The list goes on and on and 
on with over 300 commodities that we produce here in 
California, making us the number one agricultural state, and on 
any given year, depending upon prices at the farm gate, it's a 
$46 billion to $50 billion a year industry.
    But we're going through difficult times, as we know. The 
three biggest challenges that we face, of course, are a 
reliable supply of water, a reliable supply of labor, and 
markets that have been constrained as a result of supply chain 
issues that provide a level playing field so that we can trade.
    And the farm bill has been modified over decades, but it's 
basically a safety net for American agriculture. I--my initials 
are J.C. and I wish I could make it rain, but we have extreme 
drought conditions and we have parts of our water system that 
are just not working right. They're broken.
    And we ought to be able to get a bipartisan immigration 
reform package, but that's remained elusive as well. And we're 
working very closely with the Administration to fix--we're not 
there yet but to fix the problems that we have with our ability 
to get ships to export our products.
    Forty-four percent of California's agriculture is exported, 
44 percent roughly. And if we can't get our products on these 
ships out of West Coast ports and otherwise, it's not fair 
trade.
    So these are among the major issues affecting, obviously, 
California agriculture but also affecting the entire country. 
So the safety net of the farm bill is critical to deal with a 
lot of these other related issues.
    We have multiple microphones that are set up here that we 
will listen from our witnesses. And hopefully, you've all 
signed in on your--the cards, the note cards. Hopefully, if you 
haven't grabbed one, you'll go over. We have staff there. 
You'll grab one, if you'd like to speak. I hope you'll all be 
able to speak because I'm here to listen.
    The cards ask for a bit of information that will help us 
organize the speaking order, and the staff will provide me that 
speaking order. And we'll ask you to fill out the note card and 
hand it back to the staff as soon as possible. They're going 
through them to organize them in speaking order.
    And what I'm principally interested in are the 12 titles in 
the farm bill. And I see a lot of agriculturalists here, but 
they involve commodity programs, including dairy conservation, 
Title II, Title III trade, Title IV nutrition programs, and I 
see a number of our nutrition advocates who are here and I'm 
looking forward to hearing their comments as well.
    My constituency, the 16th District, ranks number two. It's 
a real contradiction of sorts. One of the largest, wealthiest 
agricultural areas in the entire country, therefore the world. 
Yet, 24 percent of my constituencies are on SNAP, on food 
stamps, working poor, young and old alike, and everyone in 
between. So it's an interesting contrast when you think about 
it. So nutrition programs are critical.
    Credit. Farming's risky as it is, and Commodity Credit 
Corporation and providing insurance for us to have a safety net 
when prices are down are critical.
    Rural development. We've got to do more in rural 
development. We are making advances in broadband and other 
areas, but more needs to be done.
    Title VII research and related matters, land-grants, a lot 
of research that's going on. Title VIII forestry. We've seen 
the fires that have taken place that have been a result of a 
combination of factors, drought, climate change, and the air 
quality that I forget what university is outside of California 
noted that 2020 and 2021 were the worst air quality years in 
California history as a result of the fires.
    Now, the good news is, and I've talked with Secretary 
Vilsack about this, we're getting additional funding for the 
U.S. Forest Service that's under the USDA. And I hope that in 
the next 3 years we're going to do a better job in managing our 
forests, and I think we've got some people here that want to 
talk about that.
    Title IX energy, Title X horticulture, Title XI--I'm sorry. 
I combined both the commodity credit issue and crop insurance, 
but Title XI is crop insurance, and Title XII is miscellaneous.
    So we're looking forward to hearing on all of the above of 
those areas, but I think it's important that we hear your 
thoughts. The information from this listening session will 
become a part of the record. It will become a part of the 
record for the new farm bill, and as such, we require that you 
gather your name and your contact information, and when you 
begin your comments, please repeat your name and who you're 
representing and your contact.
    And we ask this because we're live streaming this. So the 
cameras you see here being live-streamed through the 
Agriculture Committee's YouTube channel, and it will also be 
available for viewing later on.
    So as I said, we have enough time to go into 1:00, which 
should be, I think, a good conversation. I'm going to try--I 
have Alexa Fox here, who's on my staff and has on her portfolio 
agriculture, among many other things.
    And for everybody who's going to be speaking, I want you to 
go through this carefully now. We're going to try to keep it to 
3 minutes. Raise the 3 minute sign. There we go. That's 3 
minutes. That's your start. Then when you're down to 1 minute, 
she'll put this up, and you got 1 minute. And then the last one 
will be 10 minutes, and we'll--I mean, 10 seconds. Excuse me. 
You probably would like to have 10 minutes, but it'll be 10 
seconds. And then we'll try to wind up in an orderly fashion.
    So we hope to get through this as effectively and as 
efficiently as we possibly can. But, we want to hear about your 
interests in the reauthorization of the 2023 Farm Bill. And I 
may ask you some questions. I'm known to do that on occasion, 
to get a little more detail.
    Anyway, let me just--and do we have the order in the first 
group that we're going to have? Okay. You have them here? So 
why don't we have them come up at this point in time? I think 
we've got four chairs here. Do we have four or we have three at 
this time?
    Okay. Geoffrey Vanden Heuvel, please come forward. Kirk 
Gilkey, Mark McKean. And were those all of them. Oh, one more. 
And Daniel Errotabere. So we'll--oh, Melvin Medeiros. We have 
five. Okay. I saw Melvin earlier. Where's Melvin? Oh, okay. 
And, Daniel, let's just get another chair. There's a chair over 
here. We've got five chairs there or--figure it out. It's not 
complicated.
    As you're getting seated and getting ready to go, I 
probably don't think I need to introduce myself, but I'm Jim 
Costa. I'm your Congressman for many of you here in the Valley. 
Like many of you, I'm a local guy, local schools, Houghton-
Kearney Elementary, San Joaquin Memorial, and Fresno State. I'm 
a third-generation family farmer. That is my primary source of 
income, and I'm very proud of that fact. But I don't farm the 
way my father did, and my father didn't farm the way his father 
did.
    And the incredible thing about those of you who put food on 
America's dinner table every night is that you understand that 
change is constant and change is hard, but change is constant. 
And that's why we've been able to remain competitive as the 
number one agricultural state.
    The Subcommittee that I chair focuses on livestock, dairy, 
trade, animal health, and international food assistance. And 
with this invasion, this horrific invasion of Russia in 
Ukraine, Samantha Powers thinks with the constraints, that we 
may see as many as 20 million people this year die of famine in 
northern Africa and the Middle East.
    And of course, it's--but I was a part of a German Marshall 
Fund conference last week, and I said, with regards to food 
security, which is what we're concerned about here, this is 
just a precursor. If there not--had not been the invasion, we 
would still--in the next 10 years, the question of food 
stability and the availability with the impacts of climate 
change are going to really make a difference as to whether or 
not we can feed nine billion people on this planet by the 
middle of the century.
    We got a little over seven billion. Some perspective: 200 
years ago, we had 1.7 billion people. And so, I really believe 
with the combination of factors that we're dealing with and the 
increased world population, that in the next 10 years, whether 
or not nation states can live together amicably is going to 
depend upon the availability of us managing the impacts of 
climate change and having water to grow our food.
    We all know here in the Valley where water flows, food 
grows. So we're very interested in the stakeholder focus here, 
the programs from nutrition to conservation to rural 
development, forestry, and many other issues. So please share 
your thoughts.
    And this is the second in the listening series. They were 
in Arizona, I believe, last week. We thank you for your input. 
So let me also introduce Blong Xiong, if you'll stand, please. 
He's with the USDA Farm Service Agency. He's the State 
Executive Director. Many of us know Blong when he was on the 
city council in Fresno. Thank you for being here, and thank you 
for your good work as Executive Director for the USDA Farm 
Service Agency.
    And there may be some other folks that are--have various 
roles and titles, and I will introduce you as I recognize you 
or someone tells me you're here.
    So, without any further ado, I think I've spoken more than 
I should have, but I'm really looking forward to hearing the 
comments. And so, let us begin with Dan Errotabere here. So 
you've got 3 minutes to give us your best thoughts.

   STATEMENT OF DANIEL ERROTABERE, MANAGING GENERAL PARTNER, 
             ERROTABERE RANCHES; MEMBER, BOARD OF 
       DIRECTORS, WESTLANDS WATER DISTRICT, RIVERDALE, CA

    Mr. Errotabere. Thank you. I appreciate the opportunity to 
speak to the--these hearings. I think they're extremely 
beneficial. And, Jim, I know you've covered a lot of these 
topics over the time, but as we move into this drought, a lot 
of things that weren't thought about in the past are certainly 
up in front of us now on it and particularly with----
    Mr. Costa. Dan, excuse me for a second. Please identify 
yourself and who you're representing here this morning.
    Mr. Errotabere. Yes. I'm Dan Errotabere. I'm representing 
probably a lot of organizations I'm on, but primarily on the 
water interests of Westlands and all growers who have these 
similar issues.
    Mr. Costa. I know you wear multiple hats.
    Mr. Errotabere. But no particular one. And so, under the 
new farm bill should include new programs for ecosystem 
restoration in the West. There is a direct nexus between ag 
production and water availability. Ecosystem restoration can 
improve the water supplies and water supply reliability.
    The current voluntary agreement that has been proposed by 
the State of California is a good example of that idea, and we 
hope the farm bill will can include funding for these programs 
that stretch out not only in the Delta estuary that a lot of 
the water projects depend on but also forest management that 
is, as we've seen in these large fires, it doesn't become 
unknown to a lot of people that, obviously, restoration should 
be--or management--forest management that helps not only the 
fires but to better yield water into the reservoirs that we all 
depend on, and particularly as climate change has become front 
and center to our conversation.
    And with all the crops that we grow and much of them are 
highest percentages of the U.S. supplies and the world 
supplies, it makes it more important that agriculture gets 
considered as a food security question on it.
    SGMA (Sustainable Groundwater Management Act) is on our 
doorstep, and it's becoming urgent that more investment in kind 
of a long-term certainty of water supplies that supply much of 
our crops become the issue on it.
    The stress on the family farm is pretty real here. You only 
have to look at the changing demographics of farming families 
to a lot of them are non-family to tell you that the stress is 
fairly high. So I appreciate the opportunity to make comments, 
and if you any questions, let me know.
    Mr. Costa. Well, thank you, Dan, always for your 
participation. What are you? Third generation now?
    Mr. Errotabere. I am third generation.
    Mr. Costa. Yes. And we want to keep the fourth generation 
going. And I spoke with Secretary Vilsack about the issue on 
the forestry and the impacts not just on the air quality and 
the fire but the loss of water. We estimated last year that 
because of the growth and lack of management of our forests, we 
lost about 700,000 acre feet of water last year, and we could 
sure use that this year.
    Mr. Errotabere. Well, and I was going to suggest that with 
SGMA and flow implication they're talking about maybe fallowing 
a million acres just to comply. So it's a pretty big deal.
    Mr. Costa. No. It is. It is. But, the good news is in the 
USDA's budget under forestry, we've provided about $2.2--$2.3 
billion for forest management each year for the next 3 years. 
So anyway, now, this is on my time, Alexa. So it's part of the 
conversation we're having.
    But so, Vilsack understands and I've told him this last 
year that we really--we've done a poor job, in my opinion, in 
the last couple of decades, it doesn't matter which 
Administration, in managing our forests, and we've got to do a 
much better job. And we now got some resources to do it, and 
we've got a guy from California who's heading the U.S. Forest 
Service who's very familiar with the problems we've had here 
with fires. So hopefully, we're going to make improvements 
there.
    Mr. Errotabere. Thank you.
    Mr. Costa. Next, is another family farming operation that 
I've known for many years through my family growing up in the 
large metropolitan area called Corcoran. Kirk Gilkey. Kirk.

STATEMENT OF KIRK GILKEY, PRESIDENT, GILKEY FARM, INC.; MEMBER, 
   BOARD OF DIRECTORS, CALIFORNIA COTTON GINNERS AND GROWERS 
ASSOCIATION, CORCORAN, CA; ON BEHALF OF NATIONAL COTTON COUNCIL

    Mr. Gilkey. Good morning, Chairman Costa, again, and good 
morning, everyone. My name is Kirk Gilkey, and I'm a third-
generation cotton farmer in Corcoran, California, which is in 
the middle of the San Joaquin Valley and about 60 miles 
directly south of this location. My grandparents emigrated from 
Canada to Corcoran in 1922, and the Gilkey family just 
celebrated 100 years of farming in Corcoran.
    I want to thank you for holding these hearings, and thank 
you for allowing me the opportunity to briefly speak on some 
issues that are important to maintaining the viability of my 
family farming operation.
    I believe that farming is an honorable profession. I 
believe farming and agriculture in general should be a valued 
industry in California and across the entire United States. 
Sometimes, especially in California, I think the value of 
agriculture is overlooked.
    Farmers are very effective environmentalists as the green 
plants and crops that we grow consume carbon dioxide and 
produce oxygen every day. The U.S. ag industry is the most 
responsible and highest producing farmers in the world. 
American producers minimize inputs and maximize yield, leading 
to a smaller carbon footprint.
    Hopefully, the 2023 Farm Bill will remain strong for all 
agriculture, and as I'm here today representing cotton, I'm 
hopeful that the 2023 Farm Bill will continue to support all 
cotton in the United States, including Extra Long Staple or 
Pima cotton.
    As producers, as you mentioned, we must have an effective 
safety net. This includes all commodity policy that provides 
either price or revenue protection for the prolonged periods of 
low prices and depressed market conditions. We producers need a 
continued Non-Recourse Marketing Assistance Loan to help with 
effective marketing and cash flow.
    This bill should also include a strong and fully accessible 
array of crop insurance products that producers across the 
Cotton Belt with different needs can purchase and tailor for 
their risk management.
    Federally supported prevented planting insurance has been 
very important to growers in this area due to the natural and 
legislative drought California currently endures. There are 
important policy issues for Extra Long Staple, ELS, or Pima 
cotton, which is grown mostly in California but also in 
Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas.
    Overall, ELS cotton competitiveness program and the ELS 
loan program should be maintained with potential enhancements 
in the next farm bill. The 2018 Farm Bill raised ELS loan rate 
from $0.82 per pound to $0.95 per pound. This rate should be 
examined and potentially increased in the 2023 bill.
    You've heard or will hear about the fact that fuel and 
fertilizer have more than doubled in price over the past year, 
putting more pressure and adding more challenges to the 
American cotton industry, along with all agriculture in the 
United States. Maintaining or increasing the ELS loan rate will 
help Pima producers face these challenges.
    Since the passage of the 2018 Farm Bill, there have been 
several forms of Federal assistance and programs provided to 
the agriculture industry outside the farm bill construct. 
Whether it was assistance to address weather related crop 
disasters as well as price declines due to COVID-19 pandemic or 
trade retaliatory measures, two things are certain.
    They all were necessary for various regions and 
commodities, and they were separate from the farm bill because 
the existing 2018 Farm Bill policies and programs were not 
fully meeting the extraordinary and unpredictable needs and 
challenges faced by U.S. agriculture.
    As I mentioned earlier, producers across the Cotton Belt 
faced dramatic increases in production costs. These increases 
weakened traditional farm policy and crop insurance tools that 
protect revenue and against yield losses.
    These sharp increases translate into a significant decline 
in the effective safety net offered by the Price Loss Coverage 
reference price. Considering the big increases in production 
input costs, the PLC reference price needs to be evaluated.
    As Congress plans the path forward for the 2023 Farm Bill, 
additional funding is necessary to address the challenges both 
on the farm and throughout the supply chain. With these new 
challenges, American farmers need a farm bill that has the 
resources to ensure that we remain viable and the American 
people and the world have a safe, reliable, responsible, and 
affordable supply of food and fiber.
    Mr. Chairman, I want to thank you for your time, and I want 
to thank you all for listening.
    Mr. Costa. Well, thank you very much, Mr. Gilkey. And I was 
a little generous on your 3 minutes.
    Mr. Gilkey. Thank you.
    Mr. Costa. But I think the points are well-taken. 
Certainly, this--Russia's invasion in Ukraine has impacted 
fertilizer costs, among other input costs that we are seeing. 
And, I've seen it in my own bills and stuff. So the input costs 
and, of course, the incredible diversity that we have here in 
California. Again, I remember when back in the 1990s, we had I 
think at the height 1.4 million acres of cotton in California. 
And today it's, I think, something around 170,000, plus or 
minus. It's less than 200,000. 150,000.
    Mr. Gilkey. Yes, 125,000.
    Mr. Costa. Yes. Well, it takes water to grow cotton, and 
obviously, that's been the challenge. But the Pima--I mean, 
different from the Kayla that we used to grow years ago and now 
we have organic cotton being grown, and so, again, change is 
constant. And for all of you on your testimony--and we do want 
to try to keep it to 3 minutes, if you can submit the written 
testimony, and we will use that as well as we're setting the 
table.
    And I intend to have separate conversations with the 
communities here that are representing the different interests 
and the different farm bill titles over the course of the next 
5, 6 months so that when next year comes around, we're 
prepared, and I can do my very best job to represent all of 
your interests as we go forward.
    Another family. What are you? Third, fourth generation, 
Mark McKean.
    Mr. McKean. Third.
    Mr. Costa. I remember your father well, but please begin 
with your testimony.

 STATEMENT OF MARK McKEAN, OWNER, McKEAN FARMS, RIVERDALE, CA; 
              ON BEHALF OF NATIONAL COTTON COUNCIL

    Mr. McKean. Thank you, Congressman. I'm a third-generation 
farmer. I farm in southwestern Fresno County with my wife and 
two sons. We farm quite an array of different crops there and 
both permanent and row crops.
    Thank you for holding this listening session. California 
and virtually all parts of the West are suffering from historic 
drought conditions, as you have mentioned. Farmers in our state 
and others are not only facing this issue due to Mother Nature 
but also due to severely restricted state and Federal water 
allocations.
    Couple this together with Sustainable Groundwater 
Management Act, and productive farmland is being fallowed. We 
are fallowing land on our own farm. This year we will receive 
between zero and a ten percent allocation of water on our 
different farms.
    Farmers are always optimistic. Otherwise, they wouldn't be 
farmers. I am optimistic that what we are seeing today will 
improve in the future. Moving forward it is critical that 
prevented plant coverage is maintained in crop insurance. We 
will also need additional flexibility with prevent plant. The 
current 1-in-4 rule implemented by USDA's Risk Management 
Agency in regards to prevent plant dampens that optimism when 
it comes to insuring crops.
    The 1-in-4 rule requires a grower to ensure plant and 
harvest a crop in 1 out of the last 4 years to be eligible for 
prevented plant insurance. This is extremely problematic due to 
the current drought facing the West. The 1-in-4 was originally 
created for farmland that was never really farmed or farmable 
due to being too wet. Unfortunately, this rule was expanded to 
include drought.
    We have extremely productive farmland, and it has a long 
history of being so. If this drought lasts longer than the 
arbitrary number chosen by RMA, we will start losing this 
coverage unless a change is made at least for our irrigated 
crops.
    I have two more specific issues I wanted to talk about. 
Under the EQIP, SWEEP (State Water Efficiency and Enhancement 
Program), and other programs, growers cannot start construction 
or implementation of a project or practice until notified by 
NRCS that the project is funded. Many times this notice is 
months, if not years in the coming. Producers simply cannot 
wait that long for a decision.
    I ask that the producers need only to complete the 
application before starting the project or practice. This would 
allow for the orderly progression of projects and not hold 
producers hostage as they try to continue their farming 
operations.
    I realize the port issue is not a farm bill issue, per se, 
however, an important issue to many other commodities. Although 
there is some improvement, exporting commodities is still an 
issue. We don't need promises here. We need direct action that 
solves the problem. And I want to thank you for being here 
today, Congressman.
    Mr. Costa. Well, thank you very much, Mark, and your 
testimony is well taken. The issue with the problems as it 
relates to the qualification standards, I will look at that 
with regards to RMA. That's important that we take that into 
account.
    And I raised the issue with USDA on the coverage on the 
2020 fire disaster. They included it in 2021 but not in 2020, 
and I think when you look at the histories that we've had of 
fires during the last 4 years, you need to go back at least 
until 2020. So a lot of these issues are regional, and we need 
to--you're well-taken to point that out.
    And on the supply chain issue--and we'll talk, I suspect, 
some more--and you're right. It's not part of the 
reauthorization. But Vilsack and I have had numerous 
conversations. The White House has put together a committee of 
three Secretaries, Transportation, Agriculture, and Commerce. 
And the pop-up ports I think is a good concept, but it's not 
fully operational.
    And we had some folks on Tuesday tell Under Secretary 
Moffitt what we needed to do to improve and to get these pop-up 
ports working in a way that could ensure that we have 
containers that we can fill to get our products to market, but 
we're still working on it. So thank you very much.
    Our next witness is a gentleman I've also had the honor and 
pleasure to work with going back to my days in Sacramento, a 
dairy farmer who's got a smile on his face because he sold his 
dairy and he's doing a little consulting now. Moved from Chino 
Valley to Visalia. Geoffrey Vanden Heuvel, who's well known on 
issues related to water and dairy. Mr. Vanden Heuvel.

STATEMENT OF GEOFFREY VANDEN HEUVEL, DIRECTOR OF REGULATORY AND 
      ECONOMIC AFFAIRS, MILK PRODUCERS COUNCIL, TULARE, CA

    Mr. Vanden Heuvel. Well, thank you, Chairman Costa, and 
thanks for the opportunity to participate in this farm bill 
listening session. My name is Geoff Vanden Heuvel, and I'm the 
Director of Regulatory and Economic Affairs for Milk Producers 
Council, which is a California dairy farmer trade association 
founded in 1949.
    As you mentioned, prior to taking this position, I was an 
active dairy farmer in southern California for 39 years.
    Given the limited time available this morning, I want to 
focus on two things in particular that are relevant to the 
upcoming farm bill discussion. First is on the safety net 
programs for dairy. The Dairy Margin Coverage Program is a very 
good safety net tool, but the vast majority of the benefit of 
the program is concentrated in the first 5 million pounds of 
milk a dairy farmer produces annually. Five million pounds is 
about what 250 cows produce.
    Mr. Costa. Which doesn't work very well in California.
    Mr. Vanden Heuvel. Exactly. Dairy farms in California are 
much larger than that on average. And so, while they receive 
coverage for a small part of their production through this 
program, the DMC fails as a safety net for most California 
dairy farms.
    We understand the financial and political constraints of 
raising the benefit level significantly higher than the 5 
million pounds. We accept the DMC at the 5 million pounds, and 
we would oppose raising it any further.
    On the other hand, the Dairy Revenue Protection Program, a 
subsidized crop insurance program overseen by USDA's Risk 
Management Agency which came into being in 2018, relatively 
recently, is a dairy safety net program that is not size 
discriminatory. I believe that this program provides the best 
return for the government dollar in providing risk management 
for dairy producers.
    The program has been quite successful in its initial 
rollout. It is a crop insurance product where the premiums are 
set by an actuarially sound formula, and the government 
subsidizes the premium with the producers paying the majority 
of the costs. The subsidy level for 90 and 95 percent coverage 
is 44 percent of the premium, which is paid by the Risk 
Management Agency.
    Those premiums have become larger in the last 2 years, and 
if additional funds could be found, increasing the premium 
subsidy by even five to ten percent would likely increase dairy 
farmer participation in the DRPP.
    If we just--just to get an idea on scale, if our goal was 
to get 70 percent of U.S. production covered in the DRPP, it 
would cost about $154 million to increase the premium subsidy 
by $0.10 per pound of covered milk per hundredweight. And I've 
got a little bit of that math I did hand in. I've got some 
notes attached to this, and there's a nice scale there and the 
math on how we came up with that number.
    Mr. Costa. Good. And we can submit that to the Committee 
for the record and get that information all in.
    Mr. Vanden Heuvel. All right. I'm just about out of time, 
but I want to talk about Federal Milk Marketing Orders. I did 
happen to watch the exchange that you had with Dana Coale at 
the hearing that you had in Washington.
    Mr. Costa. Right.
    Mr. Vanden Heuvel. We do need better data in our 
manufacturing costs. I think you talked to her about that. And 
so, we would support that, but it's important to remember that 
data cost studies inform policy. They shouldn't dictate policy.
    USDA has long held and the Federal Order program is 
tremendously successful program that's been around 80 years. 
It's allowed the dairy industry all over the country to grow 
and to prosper and to take advantage of its comparative 
advantages. But we don't think that USDA--we think that their 
policies should be adopted through the hearing process.
    Mr. Costa. Well, I agree and--but the data is a helpful 
tool, and we need to update it because of the various factors 
that go into the Federal Milk Marketing Order as we try to make 
it balanced to the regional needs across the country.
    Mr. Vanden Heuvel. We do. If I could, one--a very major 
significant event happened in the dairy industry in California 
in 2018 where we became part of the Federal Order program.
    Mr. Costa. Right.
    Mr. Vanden Heuvel. And just an update on that, Congressman 
Costa. You were key in making that possible for producers to do 
that. We believe that that added about $1 a hundredweight to 
California producer income.
    And the data for that is also in the notes that I 
submitted, and it's comparing the California all-milk price to 
the Federal--or mailbox price to the U.S. mailbox price during 
the last 40 months of the state order compared to the 40 months 
we've had since the Federal Order was implemented in November 
of 2018.
    And when you look at those comparisons, we were a $1.07 a 
hundredweight in the 40 months prior to the Federal Order on 
average behind the national mailbox price, and since the 
Federal Orders happened in California, we're within $0.06 of 
that nationally.
    Mr. Costa. Well, I'm glad that you mentioned that, Geoff. 
But, it's really a result of a lot of discussion by the 
California dairy industry to come together, and Congressman 
Valadao and myself and others helped carry the legislation to 
allow California to participate in the Federal Milk Marketing 
Order. And I think it's worked out.
    It's not the solution to all the problems, but I think it 
puts California on a more level playing field as it relates to 
how we led our pricing out for milk across the country.
    Okay. Winding up this panel here is a constituent of mine 
and another second, third generation, Melvin?
    Mr. Medeiros. Second. Second.
    Mr. Costa. Second generation dairy farmer. You call 
yourself from Layton or Riverdale?
    Mr. Medeiros. Oh, Layton. I'm on the right side of the 
island.
    Mr. Costa. Okay. Right. That's what I thought. Anyway----
    Mr. Medeiros. I got a rival sitting here next to me.
    Mr. Costa. Please identify yourself for the record, and 
let's try to keep it to 3 minutes.

 STATEMENT OF MELVIN MEDEIROS, CHAIRMAN, WESTERN AREA COUNCIL, 
               DAIRY FARMERS OF AMERICA; MEMBER, 
           EXECUTIVE BOARD, NATIONAL MILK PRODUCERS 
                     FEDERATION, LAYTON, CA

    Mr. Medeiros. You bet. Melvin Medeiros, dairy farmer at 
Layton, California. And I also am Chairman for DFA's Western 
Council, and I sit on the National Milk Executive Board. So 
pleasure to be here and, Congressman Costa, we really 
appreciate everything you do for the Valley's ag.
    So actually, we should--Geoff and I should have compared 
notes because one of the topics I wanted to talk about was DMC 
also. We recognize the improvements that's been made to DMC.
    We also understand that we need to go a step further. When 
you take a look at our industry and how it's--the consolidation 
has happened in the industry, not just in California but across 
the whole western United States, the size and magnitude of 
dairies, we need to make some changes to this program and make 
it more relevant for all producers.
    We feel that these programs are designed as safety nets and 
should be equitable for all sized producers and not just be 
catering to one size or another. So it's something that we'd 
like to be addressed and looked at, going forward.
    Mr. Costa. Well, I think the point that both of you made as 
it relates to the DMC program is important because it reflects 
the fact that you're sensitive to the 5 million pound cap 
because of the nature of dairy politics across the country.
    Mr. Medeiros. Oh, absolutely.
    Mr. Costa. It makes more sense, I think, to focus on the 
DMC as a means of addressing some of these challenges that 
we're facing than trying to lift the $5 million pound cap. 
Excuse me.
    Mr. Medeiros. Well, yes, because we want to keep this 
industry united, border to border, coast to coast. We're losing 
too many as it is, and we don't want a program to create 
division amongst producers. We feel it's important that we 
address it.
    Also, we talk about what works; right? So we're looking at 
the Market Access Program and the Foreign Market Development 
Program. Funding of those programs is crucial for our industry. 
It's crucial for exports and to keep developing our export 
markets. So we totally support those programs and hope funding 
can continue or increase in those programs.
    When it comes to nutrition, it is a big part of what we do, 
every one of us in agriculture. So we support the nutrition 
program. We support the dairy donation program where it was 
able to bring dairy producers and food banks together to feed 
needy families. So we hope we can continue those programs, 
going forward.
    And when it comes to sustainability, we take a look at 
sustainability and where we're at, especially California, and 
what we have achieved and where we need to be. We've set some 
pretty high goals here and to try to get to net-zero--
greenhouse neutral by 2050. And the dairy industry is taking 
some huge strides in trying to achieve these goals, but we 
can't do it without incentives.
    We know that, Congressman, you were able to visit a 
digester--pretty impressive digester the other day. And even 
though digesters don't fit every operation, we need the 
incentives to continue those projects. We also need incentives 
for manure management systems and the combination of those two 
not only bring us in compliance, but it also brings us with 
some energy sources for everybody.
    So we hope we can continue those programs. We hope we can 
increase those programs. And when we look at enteric emissions, 
we need a better track of getting those passed. It's cumbersome 
to get those products passed. Manufacturers don't want to go 
through that process because it's just like trying to get it 
through antibiotics or hormones. It goes through that same 
process where manufacturers are saying, ``Hey, we're going to 
take it to another country and we're going to get it done 
there.'' And so, it's kind of putting us behind the eight ball 
here in that situation.
    So we need to look at a better process of getting those 
products into our system to where we can tackle the enteric 
emissions problem. And I think I'm out of time. So again, thank 
you for your time, and appreciate the opportunity.
    Mr. Costa. Okay. Well, I want to expand on--and let me just 
mention a factor. As I referenced, I was at a conference in 
Brussels last week, and they asked me to speak on food security 
and climate change. And I referenced--and I see the President 
of California Farm Bureau here, Jamie. I thought I saw him back 
here somewhere. There. There you are.
    But in Ag Alert 2 weeks ago, they had a very good article 
about 119 digesters in California dairies. I think we've got 
about 1,200 dairies: 119, you can do the math. That's close to 
over ten percent of the dairies. But being able to handle the 
manure and the methane in such a way that they estimate it 
reduces over a million and a half cars taken off the road each 
year.
    So you think of what the contributions, and California 
agriculture, I think, is at the cutting edge in doing so many 
important efforts to improve our air quality, to deal with 
CO2 footprint, and the other factors that were 
facing. But, we've got to figure out ways that we can do 
better.
    That facility I went and looked at on Tuesday, they said 
that it took--what--8 years to get the permitting completed? I 
mean, that's crazy. We've got state of the art turnkey 
technology, and to take 8 years to get the permitting complete 
so that we could improve the air quality is--we got to do 
better. So anyway, thank you all. Let me announce the next 
panel.
    The next panel here is conservation, and we have the 
following. Manuel Cunha from the Nisei Farmers League, come 
forward. We've got Tom McCarthy from Kern County Water Agency, 
General Manager. We've got Marc Engstrom from Ducks Unlimited, 
Director of Public Policy. We've got Nicola Peill-Moelter, 
Regenerate America. We've got from San Diego--you've come a 
long ways. We've got Perri Caylor, a volunteer with Regenerate 
America, and Julia Kaye. Are all three of you are going to--
are--you're speaking for the other two folks?
    Ms. Kaye. Yes. The three of us, we haven't collaborated 
together on our comments, but we are all representing----
    Mr. Costa. And we're glad you're here.
    Ms. Kaye.--Regenerate America and we're glad you're here.
    Mr. Costa. You've come a long way. You drive this morning, 
or did you come in last night?
    Ms. Kaye. I'm a little bit of a wimp. I came in last night.
    Mr. Costa. Oh, okay. That's all right. I don't--are you 
Nicole?
    Dr. Peill-Moelter. I'm Nicola. Yes. I'm sorry. Nicola.
    Mr. Costa. Oh, Nicola.
    Dr. Peill-Moelter. Sorry. I have bad handwriting.
    Mr. Costa. Okay. No. That's fine. Well, we'll have you 
first with Regenerate America and then Marc, I believe, and 
Tom, and we'll get through this. Manuel Cunha who's our batting 
cleanup. Okay. Please begin.

     STATEMENT OF NICOLA PEILL-MOELTER, Ph.D., DIRECTOR OF 
   SUSTAINABILITY INNOVATION, OFFICE OF THE CTO, VMWARE, SAN 
           DIEGO, CA; ON BEHALF OF REGENERATE AMERICA

    Dr. Peill-Moelter. Thank you so much. Yes. I'm Dr. Nicola 
Peill-Moelter from San Diego. And thank you, Representative 
Costa, for this listening session and giving me the opportunity 
to share my thoughts today as not only a farm owner in 
Virginia, a consumer of food--and who isn't--a concerned 
citizen, and someone who's affected by the farm bill.
    I'm here also as a supporter of Regenerate America, which 
is a bipartisan coalition of farmers, businesses, nonprofits, 
and individuals. Together, we are amplifying the voices of 
farmers and ranchers to urge Congress to shift resources to 
make soil health and regenerative agriculture a key focus of 
the 2023 Farm Bill.
    Soil health is a vital solution for increasing farmer 
profitability, creating jobs, reviving rural America, securing 
our food supply chain, restoring biodiversity, cleaning our air 
and waterways, and addressing climate change.
    The evidence is clear that our current conventional farming 
and ranching practices present a national security threat in 
terms of our ability to feed our nation and sustain our health. 
We are losing soil at the rate of almost 6 tons per acre per 
year.
    Soil compaction from tillage and the use of chemical inputs 
that destroy soil microbiome mean that even late rains can 
result in flooding, runoff, and erosion, followed by drought 
and desiccated fields. Many of our aquifers have less than ten 
harvests left and produce salty water. These are significant 
and hidden costs to our food system we cannot afford.
    Furthermore, our current system is adding four percent to 
farm debt annually. How will we feed our nation, let alone the 
world without soil, water, or pollinators?
    Fortunately, there's a cost-effective solution. Thousands 
of farmers and ranchers across the U.S. are proving that the 
principles and practices of soil health and regenerative 
agriculture work everywhere to restore ecosystem health, build 
soil, provide economic prosperity and security to farmers and 
ranchers, increase plant nutrient density and livestock health, 
increase overall resiliency against flooding and increasing 
storms and droughts.
    America's farmers and ranchers and the institutions that 
support them urgently need our support with soil health focused 
regenerative policies that remove barriers and incentivize soil 
health and risk reduction through Federal crop insurance and 
lending, expand leading educational and technical service and 
implementation assistance for soil health systems, ensure 
equitable opportunity and access to all USDA programs, improve 
regional access to infrastructure processing and markets, 
increase farmland preservation and access, including for 
historically underserved producers, and increase access to 
healthy and regionally sourced foods.
    Thank you so much for this opportunity.
    Mr. Costa. Well, thank you, Doctor. And you are a professor 
at where?
    Dr. Peill-Moelter. I got my doctorate is in environmental 
engineering science at Caltech.
    Mr. Costa. Okay.
    Dr. Peill-Moelter. And I work in the high-tech industry.
    Mr. Costa. Oh, good. You talked about some of the 
importance of soil conservation. Are there any recommendations 
you have as it relates to the programs under the Title II that 
you would recommend that you could submit and testimony on 
areas where we could improve the ability to deal with 
challenges that you noted in your testimony about the loss of 
soils and their ability?
    I mean, clearly, we say where water flows, food grows, but 
if you don't have good soils, it can't happen.
    Dr. Peill-Moelter. Yes. We're happy to do that. And I'd 
also say it's beyond the conservation into the crop--Federal 
crop insurance to support farmers and ranchers who are 
transitioning. Yes.
    Mr. Costa. Good. Good. All right. I'm just trying to go in 
the order that you folks at--Tom McCarthy, I believe you're 
next, the Kern County Water Agency General Manager. Which 
General Manager are you now at this point in time in the 
history of the Kern County Water Agency?
    Mr. McCarthy. In the history, I think I'm approximately 
number six, I believe following Curtis Creel.
    Mr. Costa. Yes. I worked very closely over the years with 
Tom Clarke, and we miss him.
    Mr. McCarthy. Of course.
    Mr. Costa. In the days where I used to represent the Kern 
County Water Agency and we got a few things done.
    Mr. McCarthy. Yes. You both left quite a mark on water in 
California.
    Mr. Costa. Yes. Well, please begin, Mr. McCarthy.

 STATEMENT OF THOMAS D. McCARTHY, GENERAL MANAGER, KERN COUNTY 
                  WATER AGENCY, BAKERSFIELD CA

    Mr. McCarthy. Thank you. Again, my name is Tom McCarthy. 
I'm here representing Kern County Water Agency. We're a state 
water contractor here in California. Thank you for the 
opportunity to speak today.
    Given limited time, I'll stick to two key areas, the 
voluntary agreements and SGMA. As you know, the voluntary 
agreements are an agreement between water agencies, the State 
of California, and the Federal Government to bring regulatory 
certainty to water operations in California.
    Implementation of the voluntary agreements will require 
additional water available to the environment. Some of this may 
come from the market, but some of which could come from 
existing agricultural uses through fallowing irrigated land and 
reducing water supplies. Farm bill funding could mitigate 
adverse economic effects to farmers and farm communities as 
additional water is provided to the environment.
    The voluntary agreements will also result in substantial 
restoration of fishery habitat, which will include a number of 
opportunities to partner with the USDA and their conservation 
mission.
    Implementation of the California Sustainable Groundwater 
Management Act, or SGMA, will also require the retirement of 
thousands of irrigated farmland acres in California in order to 
bring water use in balance with supplies. Again, farm bill 
funding could help mitigate adverse economic effects to farmers 
in rural communities as SGMA is implemented over the coming 
years to bring water use and water supply in balance.
    Last, assuring both the VAs and SGMA are eligible for 
Federal cost-share funding through farm bill conservation 
programs, such as the Environmental Quality Incentives Program 
and the Conservation Reserve Program, would be extremely 
helpful in ensuring their success.
    We would also like to ask that Congress consider expansion 
of the conservation title to provide adequate funding and 
authority for USDA to partner with these efforts in California 
with state and local agencies. Thank you for the opportunity to 
speak today.
    Mr. Costa. Thank you. Thank you. And please give the Kern 
County Water Agency and the board members my regards. We, as I 
said, had a good working relationship in years past.
    I think your points are well taken. I've been a big 
supporter of the efforts to comply with the voluntary 
agreements because, unless we get that worked out, I don't 
think there's a chance that we can ultimately get the operating 
agreement in place so that we can implement SGMA successfully.
    And it's a challenge. It's a real challenge over the next 
10 years, even if we're able to get the VAs done, the operating 
agreement between the state and the Feds, and also therefore to 
then try to comply with SGMA and which I think is critical if 
we're going to keep agriculture in California.
    However, your point about making the conservation titles 
applicable in this instance is something that I really want to 
see what we can possibly do there because there are 
applications that can be done.
    And I was talking with another witness who's going to 
testify later this morning about using some of the programs 
that are under the Department of the Interior. And there's 
ought to be a way that we can use both funding levels, both in 
Interior and within USDA, to try to allow us to get our--using 
all the water tools, as I like to say, in our water toolbox, to 
allow us to make this successful in the 21st century. That's 
the challenge. So good points.
    All right. The next witness that we have is Marc Engstrom--
and we're moving cards around here--representing Ducks 
Unlimited, Director for Public Policy. And we're all or most 
are familiar with Ducks Unlimited around the country but 
principally here in the Valley, reflecting Grasslands Water 
District, which is the largest specific Flyway Wildlife Refuge 
in the Pacific Flyway between Canada and Mexico.
    And it plays a critical role between late October and late 
February, March for us to maintain our waterfowl. And with the 
efforts of conservation that are in mind, we appreciate that 
good work, and we'll look forward to hear testimony on the farm 
bill titles that you think will be most appropriate. And we'll 
try to keep it to 3 minutes because my staff is giving me a bad 
time here about I'm not--and they say I'm talking too much, 
which is usual. But go ahead, Mr. Engstrom.

   STATEMENT OF MARK ENGSTROM, CALIFORNIA DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC 
            POLICY, DUCKS UNLIMITED, SACRAMENTO, CA

    Mr. Engstrom. I will keep it to 3 minutes. I promise. Good 
afternoon, Chairman Costa, and thank you for holding this 
today. Again, for the record, my name is Marc Engstrom. I'm the 
Director of Public Policy here in California for Ducks 
Unlimited.
    Ducks Unlimited is the largest waterfowl conservation 
organization in the world, and to date, we have conserved over 
15 million acres of wetland and habitat. And I appreciate the 
opportunity to speak to you here today. We're proud of our long 
history partnering with ranchers, farmers to deliver 
conservation, and we look forward to continuing our work with 
you to sustain our natural resources and our rural communities.
    The conservation programs included in the farm bill are a 
key part of the safety net used by farmers and ranchers to 
maximize on farm efficiency and productivity and to maintain 
soil health, water retention, water quality, and wildlife 
habitat on their lands. Conservation is in high demand across 
the country, and we and our partners respectfully ask that you 
and your colleagues strengthen support for the most efficient 
and important conservation programs in the farm bill.
    We hope to see strong wetland and grasslands protections 
continued in the 2023 Farm Bill. We support strong funding for 
important working lands programs like Environmental Quality 
Incentives Program and the Conservation Stewardship Program.
    A robust Regional Conservation Partnership Program that 
benefits waterfowl habitat and soil health through voluntary 
collaborative conservation efforts like the Ducks Unlimited 
Rice Stewardship Partnership, of which I do have their annual 
report that I'd like to hand out to you after.
    Mr. Costa. We'll submit it for the record.
    Mr. Engstrom. Thank you. A robust Agricultural Conservation 
Easement Program, and this is a nationally popular program 
where demand far exceeds funding availability, and an improved 
Conservation Reserve Program through expanded grazing 
opportunities that improve wildlife habitat.
    And with that, I would like to--again, to thank you for 
holding this today and allowing us to give our remarks.
    Mr. Costa. Well, we appreciate your testimony and concise 
and to the point and within the 3 minutes. God bless you, and 
also, the fact that these conservation programs are so 
important in so many ways, if we're going to provide for the 
next generation of Americans the same sort of opportunities. 
And in a lot of areas, we got to try to do better. And 
certainly, your comments and your suggestions I will take into 
account.
    I'm not sure--who is Julia and who's Perri.
    Ms. Kaye. Julia.
    Mr. Costa. Okay. I'm just in the order and then it's Perri?
    Ms. Caylor. Perri. Yes.
    Mr. Costa. Okay. You'll be after Julia. Does that----
    Ms. Caylor. Thank you.
    Mr. Costa. And, Julia, you came from Concord?
    Ms. Kaye. No. I came from San Diego as well. Carlsbad.
    Mr. Costa. Oh, okay. Why does it say Concord here? 
Regenerative--Julia Kaye?
    Ms. Kaye. I put--it's--I'm from Carlsbad.
    Mr. Costa. No. Concord. No. Carlsbad. I'm sorry.
    Ms. Kaye. I'm pretty sure it said Carlsbad.
    Mr. Costa. Okay. You come up this morning or last night?
    Ms. Kaye. No. Actually, Nicola and I drove up this 
morning--I mean, last night and then halfway to Bakersfield.
    Mr. Costa. Well, welcome to Fresno.

STATEMENT OF JULIA KAYE, CARLSBAD, CA; ON BEHALF OF REGENERATE 
                            AMERICA

    Ms. Kaye. Thank you very much. Good morning. And first of 
all, I wanted to thank you also for hosting this important 
hearing. My name is Julia Kaye, and I'm a CPA. I've already 
covered that I live in San Diego. I'm here as a supporter of a 
Regenerate America.
    Nicola already alluded to this is a bipartisan coalition of 
farmers, businesses, nonprofits, and individuals raising our 
voices to ensure that the next farm bill shifts its resources 
and support towards regenerative agriculture. So I'm here to 
ask you guys to make soil health and regenerative agriculture a 
primary focus of the 2023 Farm Bill.
    My journey to becoming a soil advocate, because obviously 
an account--accounting in my world, I have not been around 
farmers or ranchers very much in my life, but it began several 
years ago when I was diagnosed with an autoimmune disease. And 
after my diagnosis, I began educating myself about nutrition, 
and that's when I discovered how many pesticides and other 
harmful chemicals are used in our food supply.
    Just one of those chemicals, glyphosate, used to kill 
weeds, began being used in the 1970s. By 1996, the U.S. was 
using about 15 million tons, and by 2016 the usage had 
increased to 280 million tons. Additionally, in 1960, the 
percentage of children with autoimmune diseases was zero. In 
2016, it was 52 percent, which really surprised me when I found 
that out. That's a huge percentage.
    With further research, I began to understand that the 
industrial and monoculture practices lead to so much 
degradation of our topsoil and a huge reduction in the nutrient 
density of our food. Soil health is a vital solution for 
increasing nutrient density in and for securing the resilience 
of our food supply, restoring biodiversity, cleaning our air 
and waterways, and addressing climate change, as well as 
increasing farmer profitability, creating jobs, and reviving 
rural America.
    Excuse me. Regenerative agriculture can increase economic 
resilience but also reduce erosion and the impacts from flood, 
drought, and pests without the use of harmful pesticides.
    Nicola already said all the asks that Regenerate America 
have, and we will provide that to you. But I did want to 
emphasize that in addition to the conservation role of the 
reviving the topsoil is also some of the Federal nutrition 
programs. And I know that's a large component of the farm bill.
    By making more regional and local markets and processing 
facilities and helping some of the smaller farmers in the local 
areas be able to make this transition and many of them want to 
but assisting them with programs would be very helpful for 
those programs as well. So I think there's a lot of crossover 
between the different areas.
    Mr. Costa. Right. Well, and we're going to be hearing, I 
hope, from some of these smaller farmers here this morning, but 
it's awful difficult in terms of scale of economy for them to 
qualify. And sometimes there are language barriers and other 
types of cultural barriers, but we're going to try to make it 
more user friendly in the next farm bill.
    The issue of maintaining soil composition and its ability 
to be sustainable is critical. I mean, if you can't--if you're 
not a steward of being able to do that, then your ability to be 
sustainable.
    Let me ask a question. I know regenerative--and you may 
want to answer it as well--has become a term that is now being 
used more widely. I've used sustainability since I've been 
doing this stuff forever, going back to my years in Sacramento. 
For me, it means the same. If it's not sustainable, whether 
it's our ability to maintain the quality and the environmental 
ability to produce, you can't continue to be successful. Do you 
see a distinction in the terms?
    Ms. Kaye. Yes. There is a distinction, and I think it's a 
very important one because our soils are so degraded at this 
point that we really need to rebuild them and replenish the 
amounts. We've lost so much of it.
    Mr. Costa. Well, I would like you to provide in written 
testimony----
    Ms. Kaye. Absolutely.
    Mr. Costa.--different examples of where you think the soil 
composition has eroded to levels of the point that you made, 
and we'll go from there. Okay?
    Ms. Kaye. Okay. Wonderful. Thank you so much for your time.
    Mr. Costa. Thank you. Well, thank you for your time. And 
Perri Laylor.
    Ms. Caylor. Caylor.
    Mr. Costa. Taylor. Okay. The T didn't----
    Ms. Caylor. It's Caylor with a C.
    Mr. Costa. Okay. Good. And from Menlo Park? Did I get that 
straight?
    Ms. Caylor. That's correct.
    Mr. Costa. Okay. I got my nephew lives in Menlo Park. So 
you drove over this morning?
    Ms. Caylor. I came to the Hilton last night.
    Mr. Costa. Okay. Well----
    Ms. Caylor. I'm a little bit of a late riser probably 
compared to most of the farmers in this room anyway.
    Mr. Costa. Well, welcome to Fresno and Fresno State.

    STATEMENT OF PERRI CAYLOR, MENLO PARK, CA; ON BEHALF OF 
                       REGENERATE AMERICA

    Ms. Caylor. Thank you. My name is Perri Caylor. As a 
suburban California resident from Menlo Park, that's 
Congressional District 18, a member of American Farmland Trust, 
and an advocate for the Regenerate America Campaign for Soil 
Health, I really appreciate this opportunity to share my 
thoughts as you prepare for the 2023 Farm Bill.
    I'm here today because I care about Americans having 
abundant, nutritious food and clean, fresh water. As you know, 
the future of these resources is imperiled. Farmland and the 
profession of farming are also at risk, threatened by failing 
soils, over-development, and changing weather patterns due to 
climate change, among other factors.
    As our state and the Southwest cope with a 1,200 year 
drought, I actually worry about whether the Central Valley will 
continue to be a producer of \1/4\ of the nation's food and 40 
percent of its fruits, vegetables, and nuts.
    To support the farmers who are feeding our nation and the 
world, we really need to reverse these ongoing threats, and we 
can do so if we rebuild soil health by making that a priority 
in the 2023 Farm Bill.
    On behalf of the Regenerate America campaign and its 
bipartisan coalition of farmers and ranchers, organizations, 
and ordinary people, I ask that you--that you within the farm 
bill allocate resources to six specific policy solutions that 
can help farmers produce healthier soils and build a brighter 
future for American farming and farm prosperity.
    I'll reiterate these six priorities briefly. One, expand 
access to education, technical service, and implementation 
assistance for soil health systems.
    Two, boost USDA program outreach to underserved and small 
farmers so that they can attain success through program use.
    Three, improve regional access to infrastructure processing 
and markets to build secure regional food webs and enable small 
processors and distributors to participate.
    Four, change Federal nutrition program purchasing 
requirements so that people have access to healthy and 
regionally or locally produced food.
    Five, increase farmland access for historically underserved 
farmers and especially the young farmers. Use conservation 
easements that can preserve working farmland and emphasize 
regenerative agriculture in succession planning.
    Six, remove barriers in Federal crop insurance and lending 
programs that restrict soil healthy practices. Add incentives 
that support soil health and risk reduction.
    So as you navigate the labyrinth of really difficult 
decision making you have ahead of you, I hope you'll be able to 
consider ways that the farm bill can rebuild the nation's soil, 
and this could be any number of ways. A land of vital, 
resilient soils will lead to positive outcomes for all 
Americans. We all envision a better future for ourselves and 
our families, for our communities, and those who will inherit 
the Earth.
    Thank you so much, Representative Costa, for your time.
    Mr. Costa. Thank you very much. The 18th District, is that 
Jackie Speier.
    Ms. Caylor. Anna.
    Mr. Costa. Anna?
    Ms. Caylor. Anna Eshoo.
    Mr. Costa. Oh, Anna's--well, both Anna and Jackie are good 
friends. But Anna's--originally has some of her Armenian family 
from Fresno. So she and I talk fondly about her memories of 
Fresno when her parents used to live here many years ago.
    Do you take distinction--I think the six areas that you 
referenced are important, and we'll look at that as good 
suggestions. I asked the question to the previous witness about 
the issue of, in your mind, distinctions between sustainability 
and regenerative. Do you have any comment on that?
    Ms. Caylor. Absolutely. As you mentioned previously, 
sustaining means continuing on the same path. So you can 
envision it as a straight line parallel to the----
    Mr. Costa. Well, I don't look at it that way.
    Ms. Caylor. Okay. Sorry.
    Mr. Costa. You know why? Because I don't farm the way my 
father farmed, and my father didn't farm the way his father 
farmed. Change is constant. I said that at the beginning. So to 
make an assumption that sustainability means that we're doing 
things the way we did them 20 years ago, 30 years ago, or 40 
years ago, I think is incorrect.
    Ms. Caylor. I think that we might be dealing a little bit 
with semantics here, and I apologize for misinterpreting what 
you said.
    So the way I'm interpreting what you're saying now is that, 
as you make these changes and the changes are constant, your 
family over generations has improved the soil or improved your 
practices.
    Mr. Costa. Well, we like to think so.
    Ms. Caylor. So that in itself would be regenerative.
    Mr. Costa. Yes.
    Ms. Caylor. And whatever practices----
    Mr. Costa. I think it's important that we have this 
conversation, and I'm not trying to be accusatory. I just want 
to get some clarity. And frankly----
    Ms. Caylor. I understand completely.
    Mr. Costa. And I think that that's important as we discuss 
the farm bill next year.
    Ms. Caylor. And full disclosure. I'm also a soil advocate 
with an English degree and no background in farming. So I come 
to this humbled by the presence of so many people here who are 
educating me with every word they say.
    Mr. Costa. Well, we all get educated. I get educated every 
day. I'm the co-chairman of the Soils Caucus and I don't have 
an English degree but I'm trying.
    Ms. Caylor. I think you probably know more about soil than 
I have learned in the last year and a half of my study. But to 
get back to the question that you asked, if you would give me 
another second or two.
    Mr. Costa. A second or two. We got--my staff is telling me 
to--let's keep it going. Go ahead. Quickly.
    Ms. Caylor. I sense that your family over time has improved 
the land. That is what regeneration is.
    Mr. Costa. Yes. Thank you.
    Ms. Caylor. It is improving the land and soil.
    Mr. Costa. But no. I think we've all got to improve. I 
mean, we have less than four percent of the state's population, 
and the same can be said nationwide, that is actively engaged 
in putting food on America's dinner table every night. I mean, 
it's kind of--our success is part of our challenge, I think.
    And when you look at--I mean, we're trying to feed people 
this year in parts of the world--and Vilsack and I've had this 
conversation--where we're seeing potential famine and food 
shortages. And it's costing us more to send the food there than 
the value of the food. I mean, something's wrong with that.
    Ms. Caylor. Yes.
    Mr. Costa. When you have people that are at a status where 
their famine could set in and it's costing us more to get them 
food than the actual value of the food itself. So there's a--
and we waste a lot of food here in America. I'm not going to 
get on my soapbox here, but we can do a lot better job. We 
waste so much food, whether it's in different ways, but we need 
to look at that as well.
    Ms. Caylor. Well, thank you, Representative Costa, for this 
conversation and for the opportunity to speak.
    Mr. Costa. Yes. You're passionate about it. I'm passionate 
about it. How about that?
    Ms. Caylor. Right on.
    Mr. Costa. Okay. Last on this panel, and he is a person 
that really in this area here needs no introduction. He's been 
a strong advocate, I think, his entire life on behalf of 
California agriculture. The President of the Nisei Farmers 
League, Manuel Cunha. Manuel.

   STATEMENT OF MANUEL CUNHA, Jr., PRESIDENT, NISEI FARMERS 
                       LEAGUE, FRESNO, CA

    Mr. Cunha. Thank you very much, Congressman. I appreciate 
the opportunity. First, I have a few accolades of thank you 
that need to be said because we do forget sometimes to say 
thank you to our Congressional folks.
    I want to again thank you, Congressman Panetta, for your 
efforts on the farm crop insurance in the appropriations, 
helping our agents. Our agents are the key to help many of our 
farmers to complete the applications, the forms, the 
information they need for the RMA, et cetera. So again, thank 
you very, very much for that opportunity, and it sits over in 
the Senate as we proceed forward. So thank you.
    Number two, it has a tremendous amount to do with 
everything that's going to be talked about today, and I have to 
say it because you know I will say it, is immigration reform 
must be a part of this entire farm bill discussion by all 
states to take care of those hardworking farmworkers that have 
been here for 30, 40 years and still haven't got temporary 
access. But yet we worry more about H-2A than we do about the 
people that have made things happen for 30 years.
    As well as the second part of the immigration is DACA 
(Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals), those kids that have 
been here since 2012 in that process. We need to get those 
people made whole.
    Number three is on this--this is a very different committee 
for me to be on. Usually, it's controversial in the sense of 
labor and immigration. But I will say that the farmers of this 
country and this state, especially California, have the 
toughest regulations than any other state.
    Our small farm size has gone from a 60 acre, 80 acre grower 
to a 200 to a 500 acre grower in the San Joaquin Valley, and 
that is all due to regulatory requirements coming out of 
Sacramento, the destruction of the 60 hour workweek to a 40 
hour work week, comparing farmworkers like bank tellers and 
like schoolteachers. School teachers work hard. Don't get me 
wrong. I was a teacher and a professor.
    So I do understand that, but we do have to have the tools 
in our toolbox, and that includes pesticides. Pesticides are 
not all bad. Our farmers are very responsible in how they use 
them. Without them, we couldn't feed the world at all because 
the insects would take over our forest and everything.
    If we want to talk about soil resiliency and all of that, 
then we better take care of the burning of our forests without 
forest management. The 450,000 acres that's up here at Shaver 
that the Congressman has toured and many others is a 
devastation of poor environmental people wanting, and we have 
to deal with that. So I think we need to start to take care of 
those areas.
    The last thing I will want to make sure in the EQIP funding 
is that we have $37 million in there for air quality, that we 
increase that to deal with that no agricultural burning will 
take place in 2024 in this Valley. There are only state and the 
only counties, eight counties that no longer will be able to 
burn at all. So we have to grind and chip. And when you have 
wire and metal that grows into these plants, it is very 
difficult to deal with.
    So the farmers do need the help. So we hope we can increase 
the $37 million in the farm bill to $50 million, which will 
help deal with agricultural burning. And again, thank you for 
everything you've done, Congressman, your staff and everybody, 
but also many of the other Congressional leaders.
    And again, I want to thank you on behalf of our agents. 
You've done one heck of a job in making that happen and it was 
way overdue and our agents will now be made whole and we get it 
through the Senate and get it to the President. I think that 
will be great.
    And the second is to get immigration done. And I know this 
is not the place, but thank you.
    Mr. Costa. Well, no. And I wish the Agriculture Committee 
was in charge of immigration reform, but unfortunately, we're 
not. But thank you for your passion always, Mr. Cunha, on all 
of the above. And we're still trying.
    I support comprehensive immigration reform and for DACA and 
for our DREAMers and it's just--it's--these are some of the 
hardest working people you ever meet in your lives. And the 
fact is that it's irresponsible that we don't have 
comprehensive immigration reform. The closest we came was 2013 
when John McCain and a bipartisan group of folks, we thought we 
were going to get it, but we couldn't bring it up for a vote in 
the House. Otherwise, a lot of these issues would have been 
addressed.
    The Air Resources Board here in the Valley that I was 
involved with many years ago when I was in Sacramento has 
programs that use both state and Federal funding. And I know 
for removal of orchards or vineyards, they provide support so 
that you don't have to burn to deal with the issues of the 
burning qualities.
    Is it your understanding that the ability to provide that 
support to--and obviously, the law is going to change, as you 
noted in your testimony. But does that solely rely on state 
funding, or do they participate in state and Federal funding?
    Mr. Cunha. Right now, we don't have--we--it's pure state 
funding through the $180 million we got for the ag burn.
    Mr. Costa. Okay. We might want to look at that. I could 
have participated, but----
    Mr. Cunha. We asked for another----
    Mr. Costa.--I mean, it was legally when I replaced my 
orchard 3 years ago, one of my orchards. And I chose not to 
because I didn't want to read in the newspaper that Costa was 
participating. So I paid for the grinding up of the chips on my 
own.
    Mr. Cunha. SGMA will give you that opportunity because we 
see more orchards going out because of the taking. So if we can 
get funding to help these farmers from the state----
    Mr. Costa. It's legal for me to participate in all these 
programs.
    Mr. Cunha. Yes.
    Mr. Costa. I choose not to because I don't want people to 
think that I'm supporting these programs and now----
    Mr. Cunha. But you're a farmer.
    Mr. Costa. I am.
    Mr. Cunha. And so, your land is just as important as 
anybody's.
    Mr. Costa. All right. Thank you all. Let me give you an 
order so people can know. The next panel is trade. And thank 
you all for your--thank you for those who came a long distance. 
Thank you for making the effort.
    And the next one is nutrition. So you get an idea, and it's 
11:30, and I think we're going to make it here before our 1:00 
deadline. So we will begin with trade, and then we will follow 
up with nutrition.
    For the trade panel, I have here before me, Mr. Richard 
Matoian. I have Joey Fernandes. I have Ernie Schroeder. And I 
think the three of those--I thought I saw Joey--okay. Here 
comes Mr. Schroeder, and here comes Mr. Fernandes.
    And then the next panel will be nutrition. So Mr. Matoian, 
you, like myself, have been around for a while.
    Mr. Matoian. Yes.
    Mr. Costa. So----

  STATEMENT OF RICHARD MATOIAN, PRESIDENT, AMERICAN PISTACHIO 
                      GROWERS, FRESNO, CA

    Mr. Matoian. Good morning, Congressman Costa. Thank you so 
much for putting this hearing together. I am here on behalf of 
American Pistachio Growers. My name is Richard Matoian. I am 
President of American Pistachio Growers. We are a trade 
association that represents pistachio growers and representing 
their interests in both the state and also the Federal level.
    Since 1976, the U.S. pistachio industry has moved from 
producing 1 million pounds of pistachios to a high of 1 billion 
pounds in 2021. A recent Rabobank analyst's analysis of the 
U.S. pistachio industry reports that pistachio farmgate value 
has grown six-fold over the last 15 years.
    At the end of this decade, we expect to harvest a 2 billion 
pound crop. Our current production is in the states of 
California, Arizona, and New Mexico. And I also understand our 
friends in Texas are dabbling in pistachios as well.
    Clearly, the number one problem for pistachio growers at 
this time is the drought and the reduction or elimination of 
access to state and Federal water. We urge your Committee to 
expand or adopt existing or new programs that will increase 
water supplies for our growers.
    The Market Access Program or MAP program, as it's called, 
has proven to be very successful in helping our industry 
promote overseas. MAP dollars, plus dollars that we put in as 
an organization, assist in promoting and marketing American 
grown pistachios throughout many of our export markets. Our 
largest export markets are China and the European Union.
    We recommend that the funding be increased to $400 million 
since the current level has been at $200 million for decades, 
and we believe this program has been of great benefit to 
opening export markets.
    The Specialty Crop Research Initiative program is also 
paramount for the pistachio industry. Increasingly, specialty 
crops are experiencing pest and disease problems because of 
international trade and climate change.
    We recommend an increase in program research funding. We 
also encourage the Committee to include the SCRI program 
matching funds waiver in the 2023 Farm Bill. This waiver is 
needed for those in the specialty crop industry, of whom a 
matching fund requirement is not attainable.
    In conclusion, we strongly encourage the continuation of 
these programs through the 2023 Farm Bill. Thank you for your 
time coming here and for listening to my comments.
    Mr. Costa. Well, thank you very much, Mr. Matoian, and for 
your good work and for your thoughtful comments regarding the 
2023 Farm Bill. And we'll--and continue the conversation.
    Our next witness is Ernie Schroeder, representing Jess 
Smith Cotton.
    Mr. Schroeder. Correct. Yes.
    Mr. Costa. Okay. Please, begin.

  STATEMENT OF ERNIE SCHROEDER, Jr., CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, 
 JESS SMITH & SONS COTTON, INC.; FIRST VICE-CHAIRMAN, AMERICAN 
          COTTON SHIPPERS ASSOCIATION, BAKERSFIELD, CA

    Mr. Schroeder. Thank you. Yes. My name is Ernie Schroeder. 
I'm the CEO of Jess Smith & Sons. We're a Bakersfield based 
merchandizing company for over 80 years. I am pleased to offer 
comments today on behalf of the American Cotton Shippers 
Association, where I currently serve as Vice-Chairman.
    So I have three short points I'd like to address today. 
First, on the supply chain disruption, U.S. cotton is 90 
percent exported and has been impacted by supply chain 
disruptions and poor service, creating tremendous risk for 
cotton merchandizers and making U.S. cotton competitive.
    We definitely applaud you, Chairman Costa, for the passage 
of the Ocean Shipping Reform Act of 2021 (H.R. 4996). We hope 
there's swift implementation from the FMC and are very grateful 
for the introduction of its companion, the American Port Access 
Privileges Act of 2022 (H.R. 8243), which you authored with 
Congressman Garamendi. So thank you very much for your support.
    Mr. Costa. We've been working closely together with a host 
of our other colleagues in a bipartisan fashion on this, and 
the support of California agriculture has been very critical in 
this effort, along with a lot of other folks.
    Mr. Schroeder. Correct. Yes. That's very important. We 
appreciate all the help you've been there.
    Second point, Pima cotton. Pima or ELS, Extra Long Staple, 
as you may see it written, this makes up about 80 percent of 
the cotton grown in California is Pima. It's a specialty crop. 
It's a very niche crop. No one else in the world can grow it 
like the farmers in San Joaquin Valley can.
    The issue with it, it does not have any price support. So 
if you look at upland cotton, when prices drop, they have a 
marketing loan gain and a loan deficiency payment, producer 
option payment. Pima does not. Pima has zero, and that's a 
tremendous problem. So when prices drop, that is something that 
we need to protect this, and in my opinion, that is the only 
way to protect the longevity of Pima grown out here.
    So when the new farm bill comes up, we are going to be 
working aggressively with yourselves, National Cotton Council 
in establishing a price support system for Pima of getting a 
loan deficiency payment or a producer option payment. That way 
it makes it very unison and similar with upland cotton. So that 
is something very, very important. So when you hear Pima, think 
price support in the new farm bill, please.
    Last point, getting some statutory support for the cotton 
merchandizers. Our members suffered catastrophic loss during 
the trade war and COVID-19. You yourself helped us out a lot 
with leading the letter to the Agriculture Secretary of trying 
to get us aid on our inventory and carrying costs. So we 
greatly appreciate that.
    We do request and hope to develop some policy, going 
forward, providing a safety net for our industry's risk 
managers who provide the liquidity and the support for the U.S. 
cotton industry.
    So it's been a pleasure to be here on behalf of the 
American Cotton Shippers Association, and we definitely support 
all the priorities established by the American Cotton Producers 
Group. I have some of my industry colleagues here, Mark McKean, 
Kirk Gilkey, that are going to be commenting later. And again, 
I thank you for allowing me to visit and share my comments, and 
I look forward to working with you in the new farm bill. Thank 
you very much.
    Mr. Costa. Well, thank you for your comments, and you may 
have missed them. Both Mark and Kirk testified earlier.
    Mr. Schroeder. Oh, okay.
    Mr. Costa. So but it doesn't hurt to reference that. The 
importance of dealing with the challenges we face are clearly 
pointed out in your testimony, and we thank you for that.
    Mr. Schroeder. Thank you.
    Mr. Costa. Last on this panel, but certainly not least, Mr. 
Joey Fernandes from Tulare.

STATEMENT OF JOEY FERNANDES, OWNER, FERNJO FARMS; BOARD MEMBER, 
                 LAND O'LAKES, INC., TULARE, CA

    Mr. Fernandes. Thank you, Congressman. Again, I am Joey 
Fernandes along with my wife and three sons dairy farm in 
Tulare, milking both Holsteins and Jerseys and----
    Mr. Costa. Which generation?
    Mr. Fernandes. I'm third. I call it two and a half. My 
grandfather went in and out of the business.
    Mr. Costa. I understand that.
    Mr. Fernandes. We're talking trade. I want to just 
reiterate, though, what my fellow dairy members had spoke to up 
here. Again, I applaud what we've done with risk management, 
but the improvements that we can make to DMC, I think, are just 
so critical.
    As it was mentioned earlier, the consolidation that's 
happening, and particularly for the dairy farmer in California, 
that safety net is fairly weak when you look at the size of our 
operations.
    But to that--and I had a lot here to talk about and 
understanding the time limit and looking at specifically the 
trade, I think that involved in trade is supply chain issues 
that we can't ignore that have been plaguing this dairy 
industry, especially in California.
    We've encountered challenges shipping our finished products 
to foreign markets. We rely on grain movement from the Midwest 
to feed our milking herds, and receiving timely and accountable 
services from major railway has really been a challenge.
    We've also encountered significant challenges with finding 
truckers to transport these goods. The supply chain challenges 
have cost us billions of dollars over the past years and higher 
just direct costs, reduced value, and additional labor costs 
and lost sales.
    I mean, with that, though, on the international scene, we 
applaud the leadership of both Congress and the White House on 
the recently passed Ocean Shipping Reform Act. On behalf of 
Californian producers and Land O'Lakes, we encourage swift 
implementation of the Ocean Shipping Reform Act to ensure 
agricultural producers have access to foreign markets, and we 
are able to address the global food security crisis.
    We also applaud the continued focus on public-private 
collaboration to make sure we create robust and innovative 
solutions that impact the entire supply chain ecosystem. We're 
pleased to be engaged in the U.S. Department of 
Transportation's FLOW (Freight Logistics Optimization Works) 
initiative, which is a public-private engagement that's a great 
example of how the government and industry can collaborate.
    And last, this lagging rail performance and disruptive rail 
service continues to impact agricultural operations throughout 
the state due to the sheer and big volumes of feed, fertilizer, 
and crop inputs that are required to sustain our state's 
agricultural productivity. And just ask policymakers to 
continue monitoring and addressing the various issues driving 
these performance challenges.
    And so much of trade involves food security, which is 
national security. Agriculture is a global business, and trade 
disruptions, along with inflationary pressures, directly impact 
our domestic production and profitability.
    Domestically, I would urge this Committee to focus and 
develop strengthened risk management mechanisms that enable 
producers to withstand the volatility of commodity markets 
within the economic environment.
    Globally, we should all be concerned with the current trade 
environment and its implication for food security, especially 
in developing and the least developed nations. At this critical 
moment, U.S. global leadership is needed to encourage and 
maintain trade policies that foster multilateral trade 
negotiations and collaborations.
    And again, I want to thank you this opportunity. I'm here 
speaking not only as a dairy farmer but a representative of 
Land O'Lakes, as a board member and a board member of National 
Milk. And thanks for this time. And in closing, I would just 
like to thank you again, Congressman Costa, for this 
opportunity.
    Mr. Costa. Well, thank you very much, Mr. Fernandes. And I 
want to thank all three panel members for your testimony. And 
obviously, we need to work on the above, on the supply chain 
issues, as already has been spoken, we've got it both--for our 
exports, we've got the problem with the empty containers, and I 
think we're getting better.
    You were at that meeting on Tuesday and that list of 
recommendations, Jenny Moffitt and I are going to be following 
through on that, that were made in terms of the pop-up efforts 
to figure out a way to fix this and make that concept work.
    But we've got the other problem, as you noted, in terms of 
the four to seven train loads a week that come in to California 
to supply our dairies and our poultry operations. So we're 
working on both ends of it, but we thank you for your 
testimony.
    And we'll begin with the next panel, which is nutrition. 
I'm trying to do better on this and moving things along. 
Allyson Hildebrand, please come forward. Natalie Caples, Itzul 
Gutierrez, Jim Grant--let's see here--and Gregory Mahoney. I 
think that is the list that I've got here on the nutrition 
panel. I hope I didn't leave anyone out. And so, just sit 
behind there and then we can go back and forth, whatever, 
however that works.
    I'm going to guess that your name--they don't have--Gregory 
Mahoney?
    Mr. Mahoney. Yes, sir.
    Mr. Costa. Okay. I'm just trying to go down the order here. 
Okay. Why don't we start with you, Gregory? And I know Jim 
Grant is over there. Your name is?
    Ms. Caples. Natalie.
    Mr. Costa. Hi, Natalie. How are you doing?
    Ms. Caples. I'm good. How are you?
    Mr. Costa. Good. Thank you for being here. And are you 
Itzul Gutierrez?
    Ms. Gutierrez. Yes.
    Mr. Costa. Good. I'm getting this figured out here. And, 
Allyson, okay. You're there. And I know Jim is behind Itzul. 
And we'll make it work. Okay. Mr. Mahoney, please go--begin 
with your testimony.

          STATEMENT OF GREGORY MAHONEY, TREASURER AND 
            NATIONAL OUTREACH CHAIRMAN, CALIFORNIA 
      WELFARE FRAUD INVESTIGATORS ASSOCIATION, MENTONE, CA

    Mr. Mahoney. Thank you. Good morning, Congressman Costa. 
Thank you for taking the time to listen to this important topic 
before us today. My name is Gregory Mahoney and I'm 
representing the California Welfare Fraud Investigators 
Association, or better known by our acronym of CWFIA. I am an 
executive board member and the National Outreach Chairman.
    Our organization has been in existence for over 50 years, 
and has been ensuring that program integrity within 
California's welfare system stays intact. Our members are the 
law enforcement and eligibility workers who meet with the 
recipients daily and see the end results of the policies 
created by Congress regarding the SNAP program.
    Our members are the subject matter experts in regards to 
the actual fraud being comitted and policy effectiveness. I 
myself work full time as a supervising fraud investigator with 
over 30 years of law enforcement experience. CWFIA is also a 
stakeholder with the California Department of Social Services 
and the USDA's Food and Nutrition Services.
    The topics which our organization would like to see 
addressed within the next farm bill are focused on 
strengthening the SNAP program wherein fraud can be measured 
and effectively combated. Additionally we'd like to emphasize 
that some of the current policies are having a negative effect 
on the recipients. Currently fraud within the SNAP program is 
not measured by any study nor accurate parameters which can 
show the flaws which our membership sees.
    CWFIA requests that the new farm bill to fund a definite 
study on the actual amount of fraud versus the error rate. The 
data which calculates the error rate does not capture the 
actual fraud rate. Our organization believes that the actual 
fraud rate is actually 20 percent or higher. We also request 
that the temporary waivers which were implement during the 
pandemic do not become permanent. These waivers are causing 
opportunities for desperate people to make false claims to 
obtain more aid than they're eligible for. Those false claims 
cause criminal charges.
    CWFIA further requests that the new farm bill does not 
extend the reporting time periods for the recipients to claim 
changes to their situations beyond the current 6 month time 
period. Expanded reporting time periods result in higher money 
loss levels which lead to criminal charges.
    Both of those last two points are important because we are 
watching the current policies make the SNAP program become a 
gateway for the recipient's first criminal conviction. With 
this current flaw, SNAP is failing to keep the tenet of 
assisting people to rise out of their poverty situations.
    Finally, CWFIA feels it's imperative that either dedicated 
funding to fraud investigative units or required ratio of 
investigators to recipients is necessary in the next farm bill. 
Currently the investigative units are undermanned and do not 
have resources necessary to complete their duties.
    I wish to thank you and your staff for your time and 
dedication to this topic and the upcoming farm bill. As always, 
CWFIA is ready and available to assist your legislative offices 
in any way needed. And we are free. So it's a comedy that--
accommodation that is rarely seen today. Thank you.
    Mr. Costa. Well thank you very--thank you very much, Mr. 
Mahoney, for your testimony. And you're based in----
    Mr. Mahoney. San Bernardino.
    Mr. Costa. San Bernardino. Okay. Well we'd like to--if you 
have some additional information. So when you say 20 percent, 
you're talking about statewide?
    Mr. Mahoney. That is correct.
    Mr. Costa. Okay. And submit that for the committee and so 
that we can get a better sense. And we will follow up with you.
    Mr. Mahoney. We had done a private study of our own years 
past. It actually came up into the 30 percent range. I state 20 
percent for error. A new study is probably due. But if we can 
pull one off before you start meeting in session, we will do 
so.
    Mr. Costa. Well that will be next year, so we'll talk some 
more. Natalie, is it Caples?
    Ms. Caples. Yes.
    Mr. Costa. Co-CEO for the Central California Food Bank. Is 
that correct?
    Ms. Caples. That's correct.
    Mr. Costa. Let me thank you and all of those associated 
with the food bank that I'm familiar with here that I've worked 
both in Fresno--I used to know the number off the top of my 
head. But as much as I think 40 percent of the people that are 
using the food bank had never been to a food bank in their 
lives.
    Ms. Caples. Yes. During the height of the pandemic we saw 
about 35 percent of the individuals we were serving 
[inaudible].
    Mr. Costa. And the good work--I mean nothing was perfect of 
course in the food box program and some of the other efforts. 
But I've been involved and supportive of the food bank program 
here for a long time. And I want to thank you for your good 
work. Please open on your testimony.

   STATEMENT OF NATALIE CAPLES, CO-CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, 
            CENTRAL CALIFORNIA FOOD BANK, FRESNO, CA

    Ms. Caples. Thank you so much. Good morning. My name is 
Natalie Caples and I'm the co-CEO of Central California Food 
Bank located here in Fresno, California. In central California, 
one in four adults and one in three children are food insecure.
    We are the largest hunger relief organization in our region 
serving Fresno, Madeira, Kings, Tulare, and Kern Counties. And 
we work with over 300 feeding sites including community 
organizations, faith based partners, schools, and healthcare, 
serving 350,000 neighbors each month, a 25 percent increase 
from pre-pandemic levels.
    During the pandemic there was unprecedented Federal support 
to swiftly meet the need of neighbors who require emergency 
food support, some for the first time ever. That response 
included investments in vital nutrition programs like TEFAP and 
SNAP. Because of that Federal support and the expansion of food 
bank feeding programs, we were able to distribute over 52 
million pounds of food, and neighbors were able to access the 
support they needed to get back on their feet.
    In recent months however, rising prices for food, gas, and 
many basic needs, combined with the winding down of Federal 
support, has increased pressure on families, leaving many 
seeking emergency food assistance once more. At the food bank 
we're working diligently to meet the sustained need, but we're 
doing so with a 42 percent cut in food available through The 
Emergency Food Assistance Program, TEFAP, from just last year.
    Pricing, transportation challenges, and manufacturing 
delays, resulting in roughly half of our monthly loads being 
canceled, have contributed to the decreased food availability 
through this program. And although we've increased our own food 
purchasing budget to continue to meet the demand, we simply 
can't make up the difference on our own, and increased 
purchases over a long period of time will not be sustainable 
for our food bank and many sister food banks across the State 
of California.
    As current economic conditions continue to make access to 
affordable food more difficult for our neighbors, we need your 
help to meet the need of food assistance over the long-term, 
and specifically we need more TEFAP. TEFAP has provided 
critical support to food banks, and we would not have been able 
to meet the need without the large investments made. Converting 
back to pre-pandemic levels in the farm bill will leave food 
banks ill prepared to meet the demands in our communities.
    Considering the current economic conditions, I'd ask that 
the farm bill should include additional mandatory funding for 
TEFAP food. And TEFAP mandatory funds should be authorized at 
least $450 million per year in the next farm bill. TEFAP 
storage and distribution funds should increase to reflect the 
actual distribution needs to $200 million per year. And TEFAP 
infrastructure grants should remain at $15 million per year.
    Additionally TEFAP bonus commodity purchases provide 
support for agriculture markets when support is needed, and 
provides the nation's food banks with access to additional 
healthy food. Congress should ensure that USDA retains the 
authority to purchase bonus commodities in times of high need 
for emergency food relief, in addition to times of low 
commodity prices so that the program is responsive to excess 
supply and excess demand.
    And additionally, and I know I need to wrap up, I urge you 
to permanently strengthen SNAP by basing benefit allotments on 
the Low Cost Food Plan instead of a Thrifty Food Plan, removing 
the cap on the shelter deduction, and increasing the minimum 
benefit level, and better accounting for medical expenses 
incurred by SNAP participants who are older or have 
disabilities.
    Thank you for your leadership. I know that you are a big 
supporter of TEFAP and SNAP. And we hope to work with you in 
the future on these improvements.
    Mr. Costa. Thank you. And we appreciate your advocacy and 
the good work that you do for those most in need. And we'll 
continue to work together. Your points are well taken. Itzul 
Gutierrez, you are next.

          STATEMENT OF ITZUL GUTIERREZ, SENIOR POLICY 
  ADVOCATE, CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF FOOD BANKS, OAKLAND, CA

    Ms. Gutierrez. Thank you. Yes. Hi. My name is Itzul 
Gutierrez, Senior Policy Advocate at California Association of 
Food Banks. We represent our 41 member food banks across 
California. Thank you so much for holding this session today 
and giving us the opportunity to speak.
    I also want to say thank you for your leadership on SNAP. 
SNAP is our most effective anti-hunger tool, bringing $11 
billion in Federal food benefits, $20 billion in total economic 
activity, and 272,000 jobs statewide. There's also Disaster-
SNAP, known as D-SNAP, which helps in times of disaster such as 
floods or fires, which are unfortunately becoming a yearly 
occurrence.
    One of the most important features overlooked is that D-
SNAP is only available under certain circumstances, and has not 
included drought. And when that happens, it causes extreme 
economic hardship in the Valley. But it doesn't destroy 
infrastructure like fires or hurricanes. The farm bill needs to 
recognize drought for the impact it has for food and farm 
economy that is the life blood of this region.
    I heard food banks talking about how SNAP is only $5.50 a 
day, even after the Thrifty Food Plan increase. And you can't 
buy much food with that. And that's especially true for us in 
this district, a rural area where families and seniors need to 
drive far to the store and are paying extra. We need to think 
about this as you mentioned, 24 percent of people in district 
who are on SNAP, we need to have a real conversation in the 
farm bill on what an adequate benefit looks like in a region 
like this, and improve equitable access to the benefits.
    Why do we have special rules blocking access to our 
neighbors in need? College students and immigrants are 
contributing to the Valley economy. Restrictions on college 
students here at Fresno State and immigrants who are powering 
the economy in the Valley, the breadbasket that puts food on 
the table for America.
    All this can be fixed. SNAP benefits need to be made 
adequate, not cut or restricted. And we need to talk about this 
in the farm bill as it is an opportunity to make a strong farm 
bill that will fight hunger. Thank you.
    Mr. Costa. Well thank you, Ms. Gutierrez for your passion 
and your advocacy on behalf of people who need food. I 
appreciate it. You came from Oakland?
    Ms. Gutierrez. I actually live in Santa Rosa. Our offices 
are based in Oakland, so I came from up there.
    Mr. Costa. Okay. Well thank you. Another advocate and a 
person who I've had the pleasure to work with over the years, 
Jim Grant, with Catholic Relief Services, who is always 
focused. And I appreciate your efforts. Mr. Grant, please begin 
your testimony.

       STATEMENT OF JIM GRANT, DIRECTOR, SOCIAL JUSTICE 
MINISTRY, DIOCESE OF FRESNO, FRESNO, CA; ON BEHALF OF CATHOLIC 
                        RELIEF SERVICES

    Mr. Grant. Thank you. Good morning. My name is Jim Grant. 
Today I'm speaking on behalf of Catholic Relief Services, a 
ministry to the world which serves in 100 countries, 130 
million people.
    As we speak, 13,000 people will die today of starvation, 
and 9.9 percent of our world's population, 811 million people, 
will be alive but undernourished. Thank you for this chance to 
speak on behalf of the world. We continue to see that because 
of the conflict in Ukraine, along with the lingering impacts of 
COVID-19, and all the other crises like the Horn of Africa 
drought, mean that millions of people today are not only going 
to go to bed hungry, but they will now be at risk of dying 
because of lack of access to food.
    During this time of an unprecedented and dire food 
insecurity in the whole world, it's critically important to 
reauthorize and expand the flexibility and efficiency of life 
saving international programs authorized in the 2023 Farm Bill, 
given that the work that it does towards ending hunger for the 
people most marginalized and vulnerable is very successful.
    Let me focus on four hunger issues that this addresses. 
First, to continue to champion support to reauthorize four 
existing international programs in the bill. They include Title 
II Food for Peace, which includes the ability to use the 
Community Development Fund for non-emergency Title II programs.
    Second, the McGovern-Dole Food for Education. This program 
provides school lunches for children who would get no other 
food that day. Third, Food for Progress. This program helps to 
strength value chains for vanilla, chocolate, and coffee, in 
other countries. Finally, Farmer to Farmer. This program 
leverages the agricultural knowledge here in the U.S., by 
connecting expert volunteers to U.S. funded programs around the 
world.
    The second way to address hunger globally is to expand the 
flexibility and the efficiency of international programs in the 
2023 Farm Bill, specifically the Food for Peace, Title II, and 
the McGovern-Dole Food for Education program. Catholic Relief 
Services, USAID, and USDA, and others, have offered their 
suggestions at the April hearings which you conducted. And I 
hope that you will continue to work with these agencies to find 
smart solutions at this dire time in our world when funding 
will be an issue, but the needs are only greater than ever. 
Thank you very much, Congressman.
    Mr. Costa. Thank you very much, Mr. Grant, for your concise 
and focused testimony. And we appreciate your passion always. 
The next--I hope I have this correct--Allyson Hildebrand?
    Ms. Nelson. Actually I think my card was lost. Alicia 
Nelson?
    Mr. Costa. Okay. Alicia Nelson. And you are representing 
who?
    Ms. Nelson. I'm representing Fresno State college students. 
I am the Director of Wellness Services and our Food Security 
Project----
    Mr. Costa. Is that part of the CalFresh Program here at 
Fresno State?
    Ms. Nelson. Yes. The Food Security Project is--or CalFresh 
is one of the initiatives under our----
    Mr. Costa. Okay. And Allyson is the Coordinator?
    Ms. Nelson. That is correct.
    Mr. Costa. Okay.
    Ms. Nelson. She'll speak right after me.
    Mr. Costa. Oh, okay. There we go. All right. Please.

    STATEMENT OF ALICIA NELSON, M.P.H., DIRECTOR, WELLNESS 
  SERVICES, STUDENT HEALTH AND COUNSELING CENTER, CALIFORNIA 
                   STATE UNIVERSITY, FRESNO, 
                           FRESNO, CA

    Ms. Nelson. Thank you. Again, my name is Alicia Nelson. I 
am the Director of Wellness Services in our Food Security 
Project here at Fresno State. College students across the 
country are struggling to afford food and other basic needs. A 
study in 2018 showed that the food insecurity rate here on our 
Fresno State campus was 43.7 percent. And we assume that that 
has increased based off of the pandemic.
    Students are often forced to choose between necessary 
school supplies and basic needs like food. At Fresno State, 57 
percent of our undergraduate students are Pell eligible, and 77 
percent of undergraduate students receive some form of 
financial aid. That percent increases to 85 percent when we 
look at our full time first year students.
    Basic needs support for students have increased on our 
campus each year. And this past year we've served 20--we had 
two--I'm sorry. We had 20,261 visits to our on campus food 
pantry. We've also supported in the last 3 years over 2,000 
students to apply for CalFresh or SNAP benefits. And we've also 
seen our emergency grants have supported over 1,000 students 
just this year.
    Because we see a significant utilization of our basic needs 
programs, we know that there is a need for CalFresh or SNAP on 
our campus. And streamlining the eligibility requirements is 
necessary. During the pandemic, one of the best things for our 
students here was changing the EFC and work study criteria, 
which nearly doubled the amount of Fresno State students who 
are eligible for CalFresh.
    Food insecurity impacts students' mental and physical 
health, and their academic performance, making it challenging 
for some students to complete their degree. Therefore I urge 
you to consider updating the eligibility requirements to 
consider attending an institution of higher education a form of 
qualification, just as work.
    And also consider passing the H.R. 1919, EATS Act of 2021 
(Enhance Access To SNAP Act of 2021), which would address the 
inequalities college students have on the SNAP rules and to 
expand eligibility for SNAP for college students. Thank you.
    Mr. Costa. Thank you very much. I appreciate your 
testimony. And keep up the good work here at Fresno State. Now 
I think we have Allyson Hildebrand. Is that correct?
    Ms. Hildebrand. Right. Now it's my turn.
    Mr. Costa. All right.

  STATEMENT OF ALLYSON HILDEBRAND, COORDINATOR, THE AMENDOLA 
 FAMILY STUDENT CUPBOARD, CALIFORNIA STATE UNIVERSITY, FRESNO, 
                           FRESNO, CA

    Ms. Hildebrand. Good afternoon, everyone. I'll try to keep 
it short. But my name is Allyson Hildebrand. I am the CalFresh 
Coordinator here at Fresno State. And I'll be speaking on 
Fresno State students specifically, but advocating for higher 
education students as a whole.
    As my colleague mentioned, we have high rates of food 
insecurity on our college campuses. And Fresno State is no 
different. And we can assume based on the students who are 
utilizing our basic needs services that we do have a lot of 
students who are eligible for CalFresh or SNAP benefits. But I 
want to speak on another group that I interact with on a daily 
basis. And that is the group of students who are not eligible.
    As I speak with them, doing outreach assistance, helping 
them with their applications, we will go through the criteria, 
which is complex and it is inequitable. A lot of these students 
cannot work the work rule requirement which is 20 hours a week. 
And a lot of them do not meet the rest of the student 
requirements when it comes to the student criteria.
    As of now, besides this work rule, there are other student 
exemptions that can make a student eligible. Specifically, I 
want to focus on two of them, as mentioned that work rule, and 
the added exempted program. When it comes to working, a lot of 
students cannot work. And that can be due for a variety of 
reasons that we cannot assume. It could be personal due to 
kids. It could be financial reasons. And it can be due to the 
academic workload.
    When it comes to the added exempted programs, we appreciate 
all the efforts done to make sure that we can expand the amount 
to students who are eligible by adding specific programs or 
majors that will increase the amount of students who can apply 
for CalFresh and get those benefits.
    However when we are considering which programs get added as 
an exempted program, it's a complex system of needing to meet 
specific employment and training requirements. And essentially 
the ultimate goal of adding these programs is to say that in 
this specific major these students are becoming more 
employable.
    But I want to make two arguments in reference to what I've 
just said. When it comes to the work limit, school is work. And 
a lot of these students are not only working hard in the 
classroom, but they go home and have to work as well. And 
again, we can't make an assumption as to why they aren't able 
to fulfill this 20 hour work requirement.
    And then when it comes to these added exempted programs, 
and picking and choosing which ones make a student more 
employable, I would like to say that it is all the students who 
are attending college. They've made a decision to go through 
their programs. They're all gaining skills both academic and 
personal that will make them more employable when they 
graduate.
    Because of this we know students again have a high rate of 
food insecurity. And we want them to be happy and healthy in 
their journey. So I highly urge you to consider moving forward, 
that when looking at student eligibility, so long as they meet 
the basic criteria, that we make it to where if a student is in 
higher education that is enough to be considered eligible when 
it comes to the student exemption eligibility rules.
    Mr. Costa. Well thank you, Allyson. And I appreciate your 
point of reference. If you could provide to the committee at 
some later date the snapshot on the CalFresh program as it 
relates to the 23 state university campuses in California? 
Because I think it would be important to get a sense of how 
many of the 23 campuses--and I suspect a lot of it's similar, 
the total percentages, numbers. Okay?
    Ms. Hildebrand. All right. Thank you. I'll try to see if I 
can get that data since a lot of it is actually dissimilar from 
campus to campus and is not [inaudible].
    Mr. Costa. Yes. No. Well you're--I'm sure you're very good 
at this.
    Ms. Hildebrand. Well I appreciate that very much. Thank you 
for allowing me to speak today.
    Mr. Costa. All right. Thank you. We'll have our next panel 
on Title VI, Rural Development. And we have Eric Payne; we have 
Jessie Kanter, I believe; Lilian Thaoxaochay, I think. I hope I 
got that right, Lilian. And Dr. Ruth Dahlquist-Willard. Are 
those--well if they're outside, that's a problem. Because I 
can't hear them. Please ask them to come in. A little patience, 
Eric.
    And let me note, I mentioned earlier that Secretary Karen 
Ross and I spoke yesterday. She was going to be out of state 
this week. And even though Don Cameron had intended to be here, 
I got a note, he probably doesn't want me to say this, but he 
broke his foot and will not be here. But he'll submit his 
testimony on behalf of Secretary Karen Ross. And he will I'm 
sure have testimony for the Committee as to the snapshot that 
the Department of Food and Ag--and they're so involved in so 
much of what we're discussing here today.
    Okay. We've got Eric. We've got--are you Lilian?
    Ms. Thaoxaochay. Yes.
    Mr. Costa. Wonderful, Lillian. And are you Dr. Ruth 
Dahlquist-Willard? Okay. And am I leaving someone out here? Oh, 
Jessie. Hi. Is it Kanter?
    Ms. Kanter. Yes.
    Mr. Costa. Okay. Eric Payne, please begin.
    Mr. Payne. Good evening, Congressman----
    Mr. Costa. It's--it's just afternoon. It's not evening yet.
    Mr. Payne. Oh.
    Mr. Costa. I've got another appointment this evening. And 
if it's evening, I'm in trouble.

STATEMENT OF ERIC PAYNE, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, THE CENTRAL VALLEY 
                  URBAN INSTITUTE, FRESNO, CA

    Mr. Payne. Eric Payne, Executive Director of The Central 
Valley Urban Institute. We are a regional nonprofit that 
focuses on poverty alleviation between Kern County, Kings 
County, Tulare County, Fresno County, and Madera County, and 
Stockton to the north.
    As we would like to celebrate your efforts and your hard 
work in Washington, D.C., to fight on behalf of the 16th 
Congressional District, and all that you do to elevate our 
voices here in the Central Valley, I'm both thankful that you 
are both my personal congressional member, as well as a 
champion for the work that we do in our region. So thank you.
    Mr. Costa. Flattery will get you everywhere. Please, 
proceed.
    Mr. Payne. As we look at rural economic development and the 
nexus between the farm bill, we recognize that there are 
veterans who are freezing on our streets, diabetics forgoing 
insulin due to skyrocketing prices, and millions working two 
and three jobs while remaining in poverty. These deplorable 
conditions are not inevitable. They are created by an unjust 
system. We can fix that system if we choose to do so.
    Just this past year the number of Americans below the 
Federal poverty line fell by nearly 45 percent as a result of 
coronavirus relief bills like the American Rescue Plan (Pub. L. 
117-2). Such results raised the questions, if we can cut 
poverty by 45 percent, why not shoot for 100 percent. Some of 
the things that we can begin to do is analyze an increased 
language access to better engage outreach, educate, and better 
understand the diverse needs of our community, specifically 
among the native tongues of Punjabi and southeast Asian 
community dialects such as Hmong and Cambodian.
    Rural communities have seen a mass exodus of banks, 
negating their Community Reinvestment Act (Pub. L. 95-128) 
obligation. And it prevents current banking and mortgage 
related discrimination, including but not limited to the 
discriminatory actions as a result of artificial intelligence 
and automated data analytics to better increase rural home 
ownership and small business opportunity, by increasing access 
to capital for low- to moderate-income, and low-low-income 
based households.
    We can increase the appropriation for Brownfield 
remediation and superfund sites to increase and conserve ag 
land. We can provide development incentives for businesses that 
provide healthy foods, specifically grocery stores, farmers' 
markets, in predominantly Black and Brown neighborhoods, to 
address increasingly prevalent fast food swamps and experiences 
of all people regardless of ethnicity, race, gender, or sexual 
orientation.
    We can enact Federal policy to adopt a K-12 Black studies 
curriculum that introduces students to concepts of race and 
racial identity. We can accurately depict historic racial 
inequities and systemic racism that honors Black lives, fully 
represents the contributions of Black people in society, and 
advances the ideology of Black liberation.
    We can identify and address the impact of environmental 
racism on predominantly Black communities, including but not 
limited to unequal exposure to pollutants associated with 
roadway and heavy truck traffic, oil drilling, drinking water 
contamination, and current or former heavy industrial, other 
related pollutants in Black and Brown neighborhoods.
    That requires funding, and to fund planting of trees to 
create shade equity, and to minimize heat islands in Black and 
Brown neighborhoods, and increase funding for wildfire 
mitigation, and to create a pathway for diversity to those that 
are formerly incarcerated within the forestry department----
    Mr. Costa. Eric?
    Mr. Payne. Yes.
    Mr. Costa. I appreciate your passion.
    Mr. Payne. Sorry.
    Mr. Costa. No. That's okay. I'm trying to be generous to 
everybody's time. I told one of the witnesses earlier on that 
while my initials are J.C., I can't make it rain. And you're 
going on some of the issues that will not be a part of the 2023 
Farm Bill. And while I appreciate your passion, as always, we 
want to try to confine your testimony to the farm bill, 
something that I can do maybe something about. So if you would 
please close.
    Mr. Payne. Absolutely. Thank you. To summarize my 
sentiments, increasing access to your SNAP program, 
specifically eliminating those barriers for those who are 
formerly incarcerated, to give them a leg up.
    Mr. Costa. Got it. Thank you.
    Mr. Payne. Thank you.
    Mr. Costa. Thank you very much. And for all the witnesses 
here, we have a lot of interests--I have a lot of interests. 
But my focus today is on the farm bill next year. That's why I 
want to give everybody a chance to talk about that. And by the 
way, I think we have Denise and Shelly here representing 
Senator Feinstein's office. And Luis Martinez representing 
Senator Caballero's office. If you raise your hand so we all 
know you're here. Thank you.
    Lilian, you'll have to help me, Thao----
    Ms. Thaoxaochay. Thaoxaochay
    Mr. Costa. Thaoxaochay. Okay. Good.
    Ms. Thaoxaochay. It's the X and the Y, it trips everyone 
up.
    Mr. Costa. All right. That's okay. I'm learning every day, 
as I said. Representing Fresno Small Farms Program, right?

   STATEMENT OF C. LILIAN THAOXAOCHAY, SMALL FARMS COMMUNITY 
                EDUCATOR, SMALL FARM WORKGROUP, 
 COOPERATIVE EXTENSION FRESNO COUNTY, DIVISION OF AGRICULTURE 
  AND NATURAL RESOURCES, UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, FRESNO, CA

    Ms. Thaoxaochay. Yes. Again, my name--thank you for having 
us today and thank you to all representatives who are here. My 
name is Lilian Thaoxaochay. I've been with the UC Cooperative 
Extension Small Farms Program for about 18 months now.
    My family has farmed in the Central Valley for over 30 
years. And actually I'm a seventh generation farmer, despite 
their best efforts to send me away to college. I have both a 
bachelor's and a master's degree from Stanford and UC Santa 
Cruz in anthropology. And they were like, how is this useful 
both for my family as well as my job. And one of the ways it's 
useful is that I'm able to talk about how our histories of 
resistance and revolution have a lot to do with our passion for 
the land. And basically just the desire as refugees and 
immigrants----
    Mr. Costa. It's your heritage. So many of the farm families 
around here are immigrants past and immigrants present.
    Ms. Thaoxaochay. Yes.
    Mr. Costa. It's part of your culture.
    Ms. Thaoxaochay. Absolutely. And it----
    Mr. Costa. And you know what they say, they can't take the 
farm out of the farm girl.
    Ms. Thaoxaochay. Yes. And our goal at the end of the day is 
to set down roots, is I think what I tell folks about all of 
the----
    Mr. Costa. So let's focus on the farm bill.
    Ms. Thaoxaochay. Yes. So all the communities who come to 
Fresno are interested in setting down roots. But in the 
Southeast Asian community only 20 percent of folks actually own 
their farms. The rest of them lease land. So land access, as 
has been pointed out, is a tremendous issue, going forward.
    But one thing that both the renters and the leases that we 
work with have in common is difficulty getting over paperwork. 
So again, from anthropology, their literacy and their native 
languages is kind of hit or miss. They're more likely to read 
and write in English. But we could all use some help figuring 
out some of the legal jargon.
    And so that's been what my job has been at least the last 4 
or 5 months, is helping folks navigate access through things 
like a grower whose water--two and a half weeks ago ran out of 
water. So even just figuring out how to get help for her home 
domestic water use, as well as her farm, it took 2\1/2\ weeks 
of just being on the phone constantly translating. And she's--
she was able to get water yesterday. So she doesn't have to 
haul water from another source.
    So again, I was hired through CDFA CUSP funding. And there 
are six other community educators throughout this state at the 
moment. We speak a total of approximately eight languages.
    Mr. Costa. Eight?
    Ms. Thaoxaochay. Not including Spanish. Or including 
Spanish, not including English because that's what we all share 
in common. But again, we are wildly understaffed. There is a 
report due this--to mark the 1 year----
    Mr. Costa. Yes. I'm very interested getting that material 
submitted in the testimony----
    Ms. Thaoxaochay. When it's ready----
    Mr. Costa. You're with the Ag Extension Service, right?
    Ms. Thaoxaochay. Yes. CDFA CUSP, they will have the 
report----
    Mr. Costa. And so you act as a translation and others with 
the Farm Services Agency, FSA?
    Ms. Thaoxaochay. No. We work with the UC Davis Ag and 
Natural Resources. And so we're separate. And we're funded 
through CDFA's CUSP program----
    Mr. Costa. But that's another barrier----
    Ms. Thaoxaochay. That is.
    Mr. Costa.--and challenge that small farmers have with 
language barriers.
    Ms. Thaoxaochay. Yes. And I know in the last farm bill 
there was a goal to understand why small scale growers didn't 
access some of the federally available programs especially made 
through the last farm bill. I hope that work continues. I'm 
happy to--I'm excited to read that report actually in my new 
capacity.
    But I think, as you mentioned earlier, right, none of us 
farm like the generation before us. That comes with a desire 
for change, but as well as a response to the times. Like this 
drought, a lot of growers are changing the way they farm from 
like flood irrigation to drip. And there are some struggles to 
understand both what is the science and what is the practice of 
this.
    My colleague, Jessie, will talk a little bit more about how 
the programs that exist pay for some of the funding--some of 
the needs, but not all of them. And so my particular 
[inaudible] more staff or access to language for folks, because 
that's been one of the biggest hurdles is just language access 
for individuals.
    Mr. Costa. Thank you. Got it. Jessie Kanter?
    Ms. Kanter. Yes. Thank you.
    Mr. Costa. With UC Cooperative Extension, correct?
    Ms. Kanter. Yes. That's correct.
    Mr. Costa. You're at the Kearney Station?
    Ms. Kanter. Yes. I do a lot of work at Kearney.
    Mr. Costa. I got to get out there soon. I haven't been 
there in a while.

 STATEMENT OF JESSIE KANTER, ASSISTANT SPECIALIST, SMALL FARMS 
               AND SPECIALTY CROPS, COOPERATIVE 
 EXTENSION FRESNO AND TULARE COUNTIES, DIVISION OF AGRICULTURE 
  AND NATURAL RESOURCES, UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, FRESNO, CA

    Ms. Kanter. Yes. It's a good place. But, yes, my name's 
Jessie Kanter. And as mentioned, I work with UC Cooperative 
Extension Small Farms Program. So I work very closely with 
Lilian. And my background is in soil science. So I've helped 
with a lot of the implementation of some of the state and 
Federal programs around soil conservation and how do we 
increase the health of our soils.
    And I think it's really important that there's funding for 
these programs in the farm bill reserved for historically 
underserved farmers. But again, kind of reiterating that this 
idea of representation without consideration for what resources 
someone might start with or access to language services, is not 
quite getting at the equity piece that these programs require.
    And so again, decreasing language barriers is one of the 
asks. And I think the other big thing too is thinking about how 
can these programs also include access to resources to 
implement some of these practices so it's not just paying for 
compost, or cover drop seeds, or whatever it might be, but also 
how do they get the equipment and technical support needed to 
actually implement them.
    And then the other thing with that too is really honing in 
on the application process. Applications, while efforts have 
been made to streamline them, are still pretty onerous for 
small scale historically underserved farmers to access the 
benefits. And so hoping that that can also be taken into 
consideration.
    And then finally, as Lilian mentioned, a big thing is land 
access with a lot of these historically underserved farmers. 
And it's really hard to implement some of these conservation 
programs when you don't own your land. Because something like 
building healthy soil takes a really long time.
    And so one of the things that we've talked about, as 
mentioned before, as land is fallowed with drought, can we 
think about how to kind of repurpose some of this land. And I 
know conservation or putting it back into native habitat has 
been one of the things that's mentioned.
    But the other thing that we kind of invite you to think 
about as well is can some of this land be transitioned to 
farmers who have historically not had access to land, to plant 
more drought tolerant or diversified cropping systems that use 
less resources, but also benefit the local community. So thank 
you.
    Mr. Costa. Okay. Thank you very much. And I'll have to get 
out there to the Kearney Station sooner than later. Maybe in 
August I'll have some time. On this panel, last certainly but 
not least, is Dr. Ruth Dahlquist-Willard, small farm advisor, 
is that correct?
    Dr. Dahlquist-Willard. That's right. I'm a small farmers 
advisory with US Cooperative Extension. And Jessie and Lilian 
also work with my program.
    Mr. Costa. So you're out of the Kearney Station too?
    Dr. Dahlquist-Willard. We're actually based in Fresno 
County. We work out of Kearney a lot----
    Mr. Costa. Oh, okay. Got it.
    Dr. Dahlquist-Willard.--but we have an office in Fresno 
County, the Cooperative Extension.
    Mr. Costa. Yes. When I was in 4-H, I used to visit that.
    Dr. Dahlquist-Willard. That's great.
    Mr. Costa. Just a few years ago.

    STATEMENT OF RUTH DAHLQUIST-WILLARD, Ph.D., SMALL FARMS 
  ADVISOR, COOPERATIVE EXTENSION FRESNO AND TULARE COUNTIES, 
                  DIVISION OF AGRICULTURE AND 
         NATURAL RESOURCES, UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, 
                           FRESNO, CA

    Dr. Dahlquist-Willard. Well thank you again for the 
opportunity to speak. I think that the previous speakers have 
given a really good big picture of the need for greater equity, 
inclusion, and access in USDA programs, for small scale and 
socially disadvantaged farmers. And we all work as technical 
assistance providers for a number of different state and 
Federal programs.
    And I think maybe I can comment on some of the details of 
those that could be improved for access. One of those is the 
crop insurance. So there's the NAP program, which has some of 
the farmers that we work with have been able to access, but not 
many. Partly because it's one crop at a time and it doesn't 
work for a diversified farm. It's also often the reward for 
getting all the paperwork in isn't considered sufficient for 
the amount of work that it takes.
    There's also the Risk Management Agency Whole Farm 
Insurance, which is a newer program, which I think is very 
promising for diversified small scale farms. And yet there's a 
gap in how to access it because it's not offered through the 
FSA office.
    So that's just one example of how maybe programs could be 
streamlined and improved with gaps identified and addressed, so 
that like there's this Whole-Farm Insurance Program, but it's 
through RMA, so you have to go through a private insurance 
agent. The FSA office can't necessarily recommend one over 
another. So there's a gap in technical assistance for how can 
farmers access that program.
    So that's something that could be addressed through more 
technical assistance or some kind of modifications to that 
program that would allow FSA staff to connect farmers to agents 
that can offer it. But just one example of how the devil's in 
the details of whether people can actually access the program.
    So I just want to mention that I know there has been many 
conversations over the years about how to improve access, how 
to make programs more accessible. There has been a lot of 
technical assistance funded through the section 2501 program 
and other programs like that. And sometimes it takes I think a 
lot of people sitting in a room and just hashing out the boring 
details of where the gaps are and where the barriers are to 
make the programs more accessible.
    So I just want to offer that we and our--also there are 
many nonprofit partners that can be brought into the 
conversation, are very willing to help with that, if there's a 
desire for really looking at the programs and identifying how 
they can be better accessed by farmers that currently aren't in 
the loop as much.
    Mr. Costa. Terrific. I appreciate it very much, all four of 
you. Thank you for your time and your testimony. And we'll move 
on here. Many of you have been waiting here since we started, 
10:00 this morning. And you're probably wondering where we are 
in the lineup here. We're trying to go through in an orderly 
fashion. And Title VII is research and extension. And for that 
we'll have Carol Chandler, who's been patient, and Keith 
Watkins, who I hope is still here. And Jim Parsons. That will 
deal with the research and extension. We have three witnesses 
there.
    And then we have forestry. And given all the challenges we 
had, I thought we'd have more folks here. But we have one 
witness on forestry on Title VIII. And then the big group is 
horticulture, obviously specialty crops and the like. And we 
have a series of folks that are part of that. And we will be 
looking forward to hearing you.
    And then we have Title XI and XII. But we're getting there. 
So be patient. And Carol Chandler, let's begin with you. You've 
worn many hats over the years. And you and I worked together on 
a whole lot of different stuff. Please begin.

         STATEMENT OF CAROL CHANDLER, MEMBER, BOARD OF 
  DIRECTORS, WESTERN GROWERS; PARTNER, CHANDLER FARMS, L.P., 
                           SELMA, CA

    Ms. Chandler. Yes. We have. Good afternoon and thank you so 
much for this opportunity. I'm Carol Chandler. I farm with my 
family in the Selma area. We grow citrus, almonds, and wine 
grapes. And I'm here today as a board member of the Western 
Growers, and to talk about and focus on three areas.
    The first being our labor situation. And the lack of and 
cost of available farm labor has caused us to look for 
assistance in the farm bill. And I know the House of 
Representatives has already passed a bipartisan immigration 
bill, which is awaiting Senate action. But we believe the farm 
bill needs to dramatically spur on innovation around automating 
harvest and farm labor in our sector.
    For example, on our farm we've had to transition away from 
high labor crops like raisin grapes and tree fruit, in order to 
go to more mechanized crop--able to harvest more mechanized 
crops. And so private companies in the fresh produce industry 
have taken it upon themselves to fund research, such as Western 
Growers with their innovation center in the Salinas area, where 
we identify startup companies working on labor saving 
technologies.
    Our sector is heavily engaged and highly motivated. But 
frankly the speed of innovation is not fast enough. And we want 
to be sure innovation reaches producers of all sizes and crops. 
Second, innovation in crop protection products is important to 
us. Our community needs assistance in production, in the 
product development, both in terms of conventional products, 
but also non-conventional crop protection products.
    It appears that a major focus within the world of crop 
protection is to develop non-conventional biologically based 
products. That's where lots of the research is headed. We 
cannot wait 10, 15, or 20 years for new non-conventional crop 
protection tools. We need to be part of the cutting edge there 
to have more tools in our toolbox. Again, the farm bill has 
programs to help assist in that type of research, but more 
needs to be done.
    Finally, we know that Congress is looking to determine ways 
to make the farm bill safety net more effective in order to 
reduce the size and scope of disaster programs. For the product 
industry, that means a focus on crop insurance. For some of our 
industry who have products who will want to work with Congress 
to make those products more effective, such as covering 
shallower losses for orchard crops with insurance policies.
    For those crops that do not have any crop insurance 
products, our focus will be both on how to create effective 
universal products that would help everyone, as well as how to 
make it easier to develop new crop insurance products for 
individual crops. Thank you.
    Mr. Costa. Thank you very much. Next is Mr. Keith Watkins.

STATEMENT OF KEITH WATKINS, VICE PRESIDENT, FARMING, BEE SWEET 
            CITRUS, INC., FOWLER, CA; ON BEHALF OF 
                    CALIFORNIA CITRUS MUTUAL

    Mr. Watkins. Thank you. Thank you for the time to speak 
today, Chairman Costa. I'm here representing the California 
citrus industry. My name is Keith Watkins. I'm a citrus grower 
and Vice President of Farming for Bee Sweet Citrus in Fowler, 
with operations in Fresno, Tulare, Kern, San Luis Obispo, and 
Imperial Counties.
    I also serve as Vice Chairman of the California Citrus 
Mutual, a Board Member and Treasurer of the Citrus Pest and 
Disease Prevention Committee, and a past board member of the 
Citrus Research Board. We appreciate you coming to Fresno to 
hear the needs of citrus growers and the agriculture industry 
as we struggle to maintain global competitiveness and safe 
affordable food for a healthy diet.
    The single greatest challenge facing the citrus industry is 
the deadly disease citrus greening, Huanglongbing, or HLB. In 
Florida, the presence of HLB in commercial citrus groves has 
led to the removal of hundreds of thousands of acres, and a 
decline in production capacity from roughly 250 million boxes 
to around 50 million boxes today.
    Florida was once the nation's largest citrus producing 
state. Now with HLB present, Florida citrus growers and rural 
economies are faced with extreme hardship. And the only 
solution is to find a cure. Here in California we have been 
fortunate to keep HLB out of commercial citrus orchards through 
the diligent work of the Citrus Pest and Disease Prevention 
Committee, the Citrus Division of the California Department of 
Food and Agriculture, industry partners, extension education, 
and outreach programs.
    [Inaudible] outreach programs and cooperative growers and 
residents in southern California, where the disease is 
confirmed and spreading in residential areas. The citrus 
industry is diligently working to prevent the movement of Asian 
citrus psyllid, ACP, a vector that transmits HLB from one 
quarantine area to another. Bee Sweet Citrus ourselves, we've 
invested over $1.3 million to build a wash line on the Central 
Coast that we could treat the citrus before moving it here to 
the San Joaquin Valley, so we wouldn't move ACP, to minimize 
the risk.
    A vital part of the fight against HLB comes from the farm 
bill. The farm bill supports the citrus disease subcommittee 
and dedicated $25 million per year to the USDA NIFA to bring 
top researchers across the country to find a cure. On behalf of 
the California citrus industry, I respectfully request that 
funding for the important program be continued in the upcoming 
farm bill.
    We desperately need a cure, which is the focus of the NIFA 
funding, and the ultimate solution that can restore the lost 
production and maintain the competitiveness of the U.S. citrus 
industry. We greatly appreciate the support and cooperation of 
Congress and our administrative partners. And we look forward 
to continuing this vital public-private partnership in the 
future. Thank you for your time.
    Mr. Costa. Well thank you for very much, Mr. Watkins, in 
representing California's citrus industry in so many facets 
that you enumerated. I know over the 18 years, and then even 
before then, the importance that these disease programs have 
played in terms of trying to deal with eradication of various 
kinds, not only of disease, but like Med flies and other 
challenges that we have felt. You know Mr. Casey Cramer?
    Mr. Watkins. Yes. I do.
    Mr. Costa. Do you think he does a pretty good job?
    Mr. Watkins. I'm not sure if he works for us or I work for 
him sometimes.
    Mr. Costa. I think he does a pretty good job.
    Mr. Watkins. Yes. I think so too.
    Mr. Costa. Okay. Mr. Jim Parsons, you're the last in the 
last panel, and then we're going to get to horticulture here, 
folks. Be patient. Be patient. Mr. Parsons?

STATEMENT OF JIM PARSONS, PARTNER, PARSONS & SONS FARMING, LLC, 
                           DUCOR, CA

    Mr. Parsons. Good afternoon, Congressman Costa. I 
appreciate you being here today. I want to include research--I 
think Mr. Watkins was talking about it. And it's important to 
me also. I do raise citrus, but I am a grain farmer, dryland 
grain farmer. I am the third generation here on the farm. The 
fourth generation is at home harvesting and working. Of course 
I'm working also.
    Mr. Costa. Yes.
    Mr. Parsons. It seems like research never gets the funding 
that it should. It seems like I'm always coming back to D.C. to 
talk, to get more funding for research. It seems like it always 
gets the short end of the stick in the farm bill. The farm bill 
says that it can have so much monies, but they never get it to 
them. For some reason it is not funded, fully funded. This last 
year I think about--I'm not sure--it just got a lot more 
funding than it has in the past. And I do appreciate that.
    Mr. Costa. We're trying.
    Mr. Parsons. That's good. The other thing I wanted to talk 
about is crop insurance. I use it. I wish it was a little more 
lucrative in the wheat.
    Mr. Costa. Yes.
    Mr. Parsons. And I understand why some of the areas that I 
farm in, I can't get crop insurance. I put up with it. I don't 
like it, but I put up with it. But that's the nature of 
farming.
    Mr. Costa. Yes, it is.
    Mr. Parsons. And there's some of us down there that aren't 
doing it. I am going to say that I'm going to backtrack a 
little bit. I'm glad that Congress and the Senate has seen to 
put money towards getting the Friant-Kern Canal repaired. It is 
going on.
    Mr. Costa. Been working on that for a while.
    Mr. Parsons. Yes. Yes. You have. I want to thank you for 
being here today. I do appreciate----
    Mr. Costa. Makes it easier than you having to come to 
Washington.
    Mr. Parsons. Well it's cheaper. Let's put it that way.
    Mr. Costa. That too. That too. Now I come home almost every 
week and I--this is home. Thank you for your testimony, Mr. 
Parsons. I appreciate it very much.
    Mr. Parsons. You're welcome.
    Mr. Costa. And whether it's in Washington or here, I'm 
always there. Okay?
    Mr. Parsons. Okay. You'll probably see me next September.
    Mr. Costa. All right. I look forward to it. I look forward 
to it. All right. For those of you who are in the horticulture 
panel, we have forestry. But the good news is we only have one 
person on the forestry. So Mr. Tim Border?
    Mr. Borden. Tim Borden.
    Mr. Costa. Borden. Okay. With Save the Redwoods League. And 
we've got some legislation we're working on as we speak.

 STATEMENT OF TIM BORDEN, SEQUOIA RESTORATION AND STEWARDSHIP 
  MANAGER, SAVE THE REDWOODS LEAGUE, FRESNO, CA; ON BEHALF OF 
                      GIANT SEQUOIA LANDS 
                           COALITION

    Mr. Borden. Yes. We do. And I'd love to speak to some of 
that today too because I think it could be part of the farm 
bill. So thank you for having us here. I'm Tim Borden, Sequoia 
Restoration and Stewardship Manager for Save the Redwoods 
League. And I'm representing our nonprofit and the Giant 
Sequoia Lands Coalition, which are dedicated to protecting the 
globally unique giant sequoia.
    Today wildfires exacerbated by drought, climate change, and 
practices of fire exclusion, are occurring at a frequency and 
severity that if allowed to continue at the current rate could 
wipe out our irreplaceable and magnificent giant sequoia 
groves. Today's wildfires are killing large mature trees, which 
is largely unprecedented. Since 2020, we have lost 20 percent 
of all giant sequoia on the planet to fire.
    We know what to do to meet this emergency. The League and 
our partners have advocated for multiple solutions. One, we 
must allocate the funding and resources needed to conduct fuel 
reduction treatments based on silvicultural and ecological 
goals, [inaudible] burns and cultural burns led by indigenous 
practitioners.
    Two, we need more time in the calendar year for forest 
treatments, pile burning, and broadcast burning is acceptable. 
Three, Federal agencies need an increased ability to quickly 
share resources in the form of skilled people, equipment, and 
materials. Four, we need a streamlined permitting process for 
the Endangered Species Act, and the National Historic 
Preservation Act, while upholding species protection and 
cultural resource protection.
    Five, we need a paid, on-call, skilled workforce for active 
management and prescribed fire available year round. And six, 
our society needs to recognize and support the wisdom and skill 
of indigenous communities in forest stewardship and cultural 
burning. We need their stewardship active on the land with 
fewer barriers to access.
    I'd like to submit this brief, Save the Giant Sequoias: 
Emergency Actions for 2022-2023, which outlines the solutions 
in depth into the record for this listening session. So on to 
the answer, House Resolution 8168, the Save Our Sequoias Act, 
recently introduced and cosponsored by yourself, includes these 
provisions and is a solution to the crisis. This is the 
blueprint to follow. The provisions outlined in it should be 
considered a priority for inclusion in the 2023 Farm Bill.
    The Save Our Sequoias Act is supported by a broad range of 
environmental groups, including the Tule River Indian Tribe, 
Environmental Defense Fund, Center for Climate and Energy 
Solutions, Outdoor Industry Association, and Save the Redwoods 
League. It also includes supporters from the broader 
agricultural community, including the Association of California 
Water Agencies, California Cattlemen's Association, California 
Farm Bureau, and the California Forestry Association.
    This bipartisan group of supporters understands the 
cascading benefits of protecting these groves and the 
surrounding forest. This bill would help prevent the 
catastrophic wildfires that have plagued California, provide 
safe consistent sources of water for our neighbors, including 
those in the farming and ranching communities, and provides the 
best drinking water in the world. It will provide cleaner air 
to breathe, and it will continue to draw millions of visitors 
every year to our Valley, to visit and be inspired by these 
ancient giants. There is a reason visitors to the Fresno 
airport emerge into a giant sequoia grove.
    In conclusion, we need to include the provisions in House 
Resolution 8168, the Save Our Sequoias Act, into the 2023 Farm 
Bill. Thank you very much.
    Mr. Costa. Thank you, Mr. Tim Borden, for your advocacy. 
And we'll submit that for the record. And please bring that 
forward. And I think any of us who have ever spent any time 
with sequoia redwoods, wherever the groves you visited, humbles 
you when you put it all in perspective. And we had a bipartisan 
group visiting a grove that I had not visited before. And it 
was a good experience. And we do have bipartisan support. And 
I'm very hopeful that we're going to move that forward. Thank 
you.
    All right. Our next group here, our folks that have been 
waiting very patiently, a panel ten, Title X, the farm bill. 
Although I suspect with horticulture and especially crops who 
have some other things they want to mention. But try to keep it 
within 3 minutes. Ian LeMay, representing California Fresh 
Fruit Association; Bill Smittcamp, representing Wawona Frozen 
Foods; Kimberly Houlding, representing the American Olive 
Producers Association; Jon Reelhorn, representing Belmont 
Nursery.
    Let's see, we got some more folks here. Some are going to 
have to sit in seats right behind there and we'll go--Melissa 
Cregan, our Fresno County Ag Commissioner; Jane Sooby, 
representing CCOF outreach and policy. And then we have two 
witnesses, hopefully one of them can cover the field, from the 
Burroughs Family Orchards. And I've got--I'll let them decide 
which one of the individuals wants to testify. Benina Montes 
or--my handwriting--my reading of the handwriting is not that 
good, clearly.
    Let's begin. Okay. You guys switched up the order on me. 
Mr. Smittcamp, Bill, please begin. Then followed by Ian LeMay, 
and Kimberly, and Jon, and our Ag Commissioner, and we'll just 
make it work. And Jane. Mr. Smittcamp?

STATEMENT OF WILLIAM S. ``BILL'' SMITTCAMP, PRESIDENT AND CHIEF 
    EXECUTIVE OFFICER, WAWONA FROZEN FOODS, INC., CLOVIS, CA

    Mr. Smittcamp. Congressman Costa and team, thank you for 
the opportunity to speak with you today about the Farm Bill 
2023. It gives me great opportunity to talk to you. I'm Bill 
Smittcamp, President and CEO, Wawona Frozen Foods, located 
right here in Fresno County.
    Mr. Costa. Third generation.
    Mr. Smittcamp. Third gen---I'm second, my kids are third, 
and my grandchildren that are working right now are fourth.
    Mr. Costa. Good.
    Mr. Smittcamp. Thank you. At Wawona Frozen Foods we grow 
and process over 125 million pounds. And for the past 35 
years--excuse me--we have been honored to partner with USDA 
serving families and specifically the USDA National School 
Lunch Program, providing over 100 million frozen fruit cups 
annually to the school program.
    We believe households are best served when they have access 
to all forms of nutritious foods. We know that the USDA 
nutrition programs have been successful in bringing fresh 
fruits to the recipients. However there's an opportunity to 
include and promote frozen foods to enhance these programs, and 
help ensure families have access to high quality nutrition 
throughout the year, regardless of their geographic location.
    Number one, feeding programs intended to increase produce 
consumption should promote all forms of produce, fresh, frozen, 
canned, and dry. And I would be remiss if I didn't say American 
grown. Speaking of frozen fruit industry, we believe we are the 
safety net for the fresh industry. Ourselves as well as 64 
outside growers that deliver to Wawona Frozen Foods and fresh 
packing houses, consider that freezing is a natural [inaudible] 
for the fruit.
    Data indicates that many consumers do not eat more product 
because they do not know how to prepare it. Frozen vegetable 
are peeled, trimmed, ready to cook, with easy to follow cooking 
instructions. In addition, research shows that the nutritional 
value of frozen fruits and vegetables are equal to and in some 
cases better.
    Fresh frozen promotes a sustainable food system, especially 
one that minimizes food waste. Frozen foods are critical to 
fighting food waste due to the frozen shelf life and pre-
portioned servings that help individuals prepare the 
appropriate amount for each meal.
    We often hear also in number three, we often hear due to 
the lack of freezing and freezer capacity across the nation, 
schools, food banks, and pantries, that these outlets don't 
have the capacity that we need to have. In conclusion, we would 
just like to make sure that the language in the farm bill 
accepts all forms, and that we also try to build-out and get 
infrastructure for freezers in our local food banks across the 
nation.
    Mr. Costa. I think those are all good suggestions. And your 
family have been tremendous advocates over the years. I was 
able to get some donations of some of these frozen containers 
or trucks to some of our food banks in past years. They were 
surplus that were being recycled from grocery operations and 
other operations. And those have worked out fine. But we do 
need to increase capacity. And I will continue to do whatever I 
can on my end.
    Mr. Smittcamp. Great. Thank you, sir.
    Mr. Costa. Okay. Mr. Ian LeMay, California Fresh Fruit 
Association. Good to have you here.

   STATEMENT OF IAN LeMAY, PRESIDENT, CALIFORNIA FRESH FRUIT 
                    ASSOCIATION, FRESNO, CA

    Mr. LeMay. I appreciate it. Good afternoon. My name is Ian 
LeMay and I serve as the President of the California Fresh 
Fruit Association. CFFA represents growers and shippers of 13 
permanent fresh fruit commodities here in the State of 
California. Those commodities are peaches, plums, nectarines, 
apricots, table grapes, apples, pears, persimmons, 
pomegranates, blueberries, cherries, figs, and kiwis.
    Our growers are based as far as Lake County in the north, 
and as far south as Coachella Valley. And we've been advocating 
on their behalf for 86 years. We appreciate the opportunity to 
make comments today regarding the 2023 Farm Bill. It goes 
without saying that the farm bill is an extremely important 
piece of legislation for our members, and with each 
reauthorization brings with it renewed hope and expectation for 
our industry.
    At a minimum it is our members' belief that Congress should 
approach this reauthorization with a goal of maintaining 
baseline funding. But in all truth, we know that U.S. growers 
deserve a bolstering of resources that can help propel our 
industry towards a sustainable and competitive future. Global 
consumers rely and trust the U.S. agriculture industry more 
than any other agricultural production region in the world.
    The production of our food and fiber is not only a national 
security issue, but a global security issue. We have the 
opportunity to fortify that security with the reauthorization. 
And it is CFFA's hope that Congress will be bold enough to make 
the meaningful investment necessary to meet that moment.
    We have comments on multiple Titles today. With regards to 
Title I, the California Fresh Fruit Association is a proponent 
of the creation of a permanent disaster relief program. That is 
with a focus on our changing climate and the way it impacts 
California growers. Title II, California Fresh Fruit is a 
proponent of the continuance of funding for programs like EQIP, 
which has helped us create efficiencies in our irrigation and 
other conservation practices.
    As it was stated earlier with regards to Title III, we are 
a proponent of the doubling of MAP funding. It is an over-
prescribed program, but one that has significant success, and 
one that requires equal if not more investment from industries 
like ours, so that we can go out and market our fresh 
nutritious produce across the globe.
    Nutrition was touched on today. We are proponents of the 
fortifying and bolstering of SNAP, as well as TEFAP. Just this 
year California stone fruit has been a recipient of a Section 
32 purchase, which has been extremely helpful and pivotal as we 
have continued to have slow downs at the ports, and have 
created inability for us to move our fruit on a global scale.
    One fix to Section 32 and TEFAP would be instead of a low 
cost bid award, we would like to see through the farm bill a 
change to a best value assessment. We think that, one, that 
would create a supply of better quality produce into the 
programs, but also in turn help to foster and fortify growers 
who are sending fruit into those programs.
    With regards to research and innovation, we need to invest 
not only in research, but applied elements of new technologies, 
to innovate and create safer work environments within our 
collective industry.
    And last on Title XI, which is crop insurance, it has been 
an imperative tool for our commodity sector and one which we 
would like to see the continuance of, the fortifying of funding 
for, as well as the availability of expanding crop insurance to 
multiple commodities. Again, we'll submit further comment into 
the written record, but appreciate the opportunity to comment.
    Mr. Costa. And we always look forward to the further 
information and material you can provide us. You done good, 
Ian. Proud of you. Give your family my best.
    Mr. LeMay. Thank you, Congressman.
    Mr. Costa. All right. Next, Kimberly Houlding, another 
family operation, but representing today the American Olive Oil 
Producers Association. And I did not realize you're now 
President and CEO. Congratulations.

 STATEMENT OF KIMBERLY HOULDING, PRESIDENT AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE 
                  OFFICER, AMERICAN OLIVE OIL 
               PRODUCERS ASSOCIATION, FRESNO, CA

    Ms. Houlding. Thank you. Thank you, Congressman Costa. My 
name is Kimberly Houlding. I am the President and CEO of the 
American Olive Oil Producers Association. Congressman Costa, on 
behalf of the American Olive Oil Producers Association members, 
we would like to thank you for your continued support of our 
industry.
    And today I would really like to share with you some 
tremendous news and a milestone for us. After 2 years of 
collaborating with our organization, the North American Olive 
Oil Association that represents importers, and Deoleo, the 
largest producer of olive oil in the world, yesterday we 
submitted a standard of identity citizens' petition to the FDA 
for the first ever mandatory olive oil standard in the U.S.
    Mr. Costa. Hooray.
    Ms. Houlding. Yes. It has been a tremendous amount of work. 
But our farmers know that consumers' trust in the olive oil 
which they purchase is absolutely paramount to driving demand, 
which will increase investment in our U.S. olive oil industry 
and throughout rural communities in the U.S. So we truly see 
this as a win/win for consumers and farmers alike, if the FDA 
will adopt this.
    Thank you for indulging me. I will now turn to my comments 
to the farm bill. We're continuing to review our opportunities 
for our growers in the 2023 Farm Bill, and look forward to 
submitting some additional comments at a later date. But I 
would like to highlight that the specialty crop research 
programs and the Specialty Crop Research Initiative program 
specifically, continues to be vital to supporting the growth of 
our U.S. olive oil industry.
    I will take a moment to echo Richard Matoian's comments 
regarding the matching funds. The rules that changed when the 
implementation of the last farm bill came in partway through 
the grant cycle actually required us to withdraw our petition 
and not be able to submit a full grant, because it was 
impossible for us to come up with those matching funds. So 
that's a really important fix that we look forward to in this 
cycle.
    As well, important tools such as risk management, and 
recovery tools like crop insurance, and for our growers outside 
of California that do not have the crop insurance availability, 
especially the NAP and TAP programs are incredibly important 
for them. Although olives are positioned, as you know, as a 
drought tolerant crop and use only part of the water that many 
other tree crops use, we still face challenges especially when 
it comes to freeze.
    Although our farmers utilize all the tools available to 
them, they fall short in a year like this in which we 
anticipate losses to exceed $30 million because of the 
devastating freeze that occurred in our state at the end of 
February. I understand that the House Appropriations Committee 
passed disaster assistance placeholder language for $10 million 
for disasters occurring in 2022. I would implore you and the 
Committee to support an increase in funding and provide 
determinant disaster relief to include freeze damage. Thank 
you.
    Mr. Costa. Thank you very much, Kim. And Jon, you're next.

    STATEMENT OF JON REELHORN, OWNER AND PRESIDENT, BELMONT 
 NURSERY; MEMBER, EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, AmericanHort, FRESNO, CA

    Mr. Reelhorn. Thank you. Jon Reelhorn, Belmont Nursery, 
Fresno, California. I'm representing AmericanHort, our national 
nursery association. I serve as Vice Chairman. Thank you for 
letting the landscape and nursery association be a part of this 
hearing. As we talk enough a lot about food, but I want to 
remind us all that trees, and flowers, and shrubs in our 
landscapes are certainly part of our crops here in California.
    California is a top state in horticulture sales, selling 
$2.6 billion in farmgate value in 2019. Our industry does what 
we can to step up and address practical and applied research 
and development challenges through our own research and 
foundation, Horticulture Research Institute. However, long-term 
and more basic needs exceed our capacity to self-fund. And we 
look to key Federal key programs for leverage and partnership.
    A few of the programs that have supported our industry in 
California and throughout the nation include the Specialty Crop 
Research Initiative, the Specialty Crop Block Grant Program, 
and the successful Plant Pest and Disease Management and 
Disaster Prevention Program, as well as the National Clean 
Plant Network.
    I would concur with the pistachio and the olive message 
here that virtually all USDA administered grant programs that 
require the awards to be matched at some level is a challenge 
to us. And so fixing that would be very appropriate.
    And finally, finding ways to mitigate pest and disease is a 
top priority for the horticulture industry. The National Clean 
Plant Network is a major success story, now considered as 
crucial infrastructure serving high value crop sectors with 
high consequence pathogen threats. Improved access to clean 
plants for nursery crops such as tree fruit, citrus, berries, 
grapes, and roses, enhances the competitiveness of these 
sectors, benefitting growers, entire market chains, and 
ultimately American consumers.
    As an industry of stakeholders we intend to advance policy 
and funding proposals in the context of the next farm bill that 
allows clean plant centers to continue to serve the grower 
community into the future. Thank you.
    Mr. Costa. Thank you very much, Jon. I appreciate it. And 
we'll continue this conversation. Our very own Fresno County Ag 
Commissioner, Melissa Cregan. And help me wind up here because 
we've got about four more witnesses in the span time.

           STATEMENT OF MELISSA CREGAN, AGRICULTURAL 
COMMISSIONER AND SEALER OF WEIGHTS AND MEASURES, FRESNO COUNTY 
                  DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE; 
          REGIONAL BOARD MEMBER, SAN JOAQUIN VALLEY, 
CALIFORNIA AGRICULTURAL COMMISSIONERS AND SEALERS ASSOCIATION, 
                           FRESNO, CA

    Ms. Cregan. All right. I'll try to be within time. Good 
morning or actually good afternoon at this point now, Chairman 
Costa. My name is Melissa Cregan. I am the Fresno County Ag 
Commissioner and Sealer of Weights and Measures. Today I have 
the privilege to be representing all of California's 58 
counties through our professional association, the California 
Agricultural Commissioners and Sealers Association.
    CACASA is requesting your favorable consideration for two 
important policies for the 2023 Farm Bill. First, the Plant 
Protection Act. Chairman Costa, your leadership was 
instrumental in developing bipartisan support in the U.S. House 
in passing language in the 2008 Food, Conservation, and Energy 
Act (Pub. L. 110-234) that amended the Plant Protection Act, 
and initiated a pest and disease program that has been 
incredibly successful.
    The program was continued in the 2014 and 2018 Farm Bills. 
Congress authorizes a total of $750 million in the 10 year 
budget baseline for these programs. USDA is required to make 
the funds available from the Commodity Credit Corporation in 
the amount of $750 million per year beginning in Fiscal Year 
2018 and each fiscal year thereafter.
    The program is administrated by USDA Animal and Plant 
Health Inspection Service. Each year, states, universities, and 
other stakeholders, enter into cooperative agreements with 
APHIS to receive funds for peer reviewed targeted projects that 
identify high risk pest pathways, and are used to support the 
U.S. Comprehensive Coordinated Network of local, state, and 
Federal partners, combating pests and diseases.
    Since Fiscal Year 2018, the total funding requested for 
pest and disease projects submitted to USDA APHIS has exceeded 
$100 million in all but 1 fiscal year. Given the program's 
overwhelming success, we are urging Congress to authorize the 
Plant Protection Act Program at $100 million each year.
    Second, you may have noticed we have one of our best four 
legged inspectors here with us today, Brodee, he's a little 
hyper this morning, alongside his very capable handler, Kaitlyn 
Demott. Brodee and Kaitlyn work in Fresno County and in 
[inaudible] and surrounding counties including Tulare, Merced, 
and Stanislaus.
    Each day Brodee and Kaitlyn, along with 12 other teams 
throughout California, conduct interior agricultural canine 
inspections in warehouses, mail and package facilities, to 
detect a range of invasive pests and diseases like citrus 
greening, and fruit flies, and other prohibited agricultural 
items.
    This team just returned from the USDA National Detector Dog 
Training Center in Newnan, Georgia It takes 7 weeks and up to 
$25,000 to conduct initial training for both a dog and its 
handler, and over 2 months of acclimation work before the team 
becomes fully functional once they return home.
    That's why we believe it is imperative that the U.S. funds, 
builds, and maintains the infrastructure pipeline necessary to 
provide an adequate supply of dogs and handlers needed to focus 
on interior U.S. pathways, to protect our nation's agricultural 
industry and the environment. There is tremendous need for a 
more formalized domestically focused agricultural canine 
inspection program, with an adequate standalone mandatory 
authorized level of annual funding. We appreciate your 
consideration and look forward to future dialogues on these 
policies.
    Mr. Costa. Well let's talk more about this, okay?
    Ms. Cregan. Absolutely.
    Mr. Costa. What's the dog's name?
    Ms. Cregan. Brodee.
    Mr. Costa. Is Brodee going to testify?
    Ms. Cregan. Well Brodee would love to meet you afterwards. 
But I think he snuck in a little testimony earlier and I 
apologize for that.
    Mr. Costa. Okay. Well that qualifies. Jane Sooby. Jane, 
please come forward. And then we have--I don't know who's going 
to determine to testify--thank you, Bill--between the Burroughs 
Family Orchards. But we'll have one of you. But we can't have 
both of you. Time does not allow. Okay. Jane?

 STATEMENT OF JANE SOOBY, SENIOR POLICY SPECIALIST, CALIFORNIA 
           CERTIFIED ORGANIC FARMERS, SANTA CRUZ, CA

    Ms. Sooby. Yes. Thank you. Thank you, Congressman Costa for 
hosting this really important listening session. It's been 
fascinating and a lot of important topics have been discussed. 
I'm Jane Sooby with California Certified Organic Farmers, CCOF. 
We represent 3,000 organic farms, ranches, dairies, and food 
businesses across the United States--across California, and 
another 1,000 operations across the U.S.
    Mr. Costa. And growing.
    Ms. Sooby. Yes, indeed. That's one of our big points. We 
hope the 2023 Farm Bill expands USDA support for organic, 
because organic farming and ranching have key roles to play in 
meeting the demands of our modern food system, as you know.
    Because organic food must be grown and raised using 
ecological methods and biological inputs, organic farming and 
ranching is climate-smart and resilient agriculture. Organic 
practices sequester carbon, reduce greenhouse gas emissions, 
and build healthy soils, as shown by data collected by long-
term comparison studies at UC Davis.
    You may be interested to know that the top organic 
commodity in California is dairy. And various specialty crops 
fill in the rest of the top ten. California is the largest 
organic producer in the United States, and accounts for 36 
percent of organic production. Consumer demand for organic 
products is strong and growing. Here in California, organic ag 
commodity sales were $12 billion in 2020. And in 2021 organic 
processed products reached sales of $34.5 billion. It's a 
little known fact.
    We are excited to hear more about USDA's vision for an 
organic transition program that provides farmers with more 
tools for going organic, and how such a program will fit into 
the farm bill. Organic represents an economic opportunity that 
more and more farmers are interested in pursuing.
    To support and expand organic production, our farm bill 
priorities include increasing organic certification cost-share 
reimbursements. Certification cost-share has been an important 
tool in making certification affordable for small-scale and 
socially disadvantaged producers; providing financial, 
educational, and technical support for farmers and ranchers who 
wish to transition to organic; building small-scale and organic 
livestock slaughter infrastructure; and significantly increased 
funding for organic research, education, and technical 
assistance which will benefit all farmers.
    This is probably the most important farm bill that we've 
seen in our lifetimes. The next 6 years will be critical in 
addressing the climate and economic challenges we face. Farmers 
and ranchers are hard working and innovative. We've got to 
build on that innovation and come up with creative solutions, 
putting organic farming at the forefront. Thank you very much.
    Mr. Costa. And I couldn't agree with you more. Keep up your 
good work. Last on this panel is the Burroughs Family Orchards. 
And you are----
    Ms. Montes. Benina.
    Mr. Costa. I'm sorry?
    Ms. Montes. Benina Montes.
    Mr. Costa. Glad to meet you.
    Ms. Montes. You too.
    Mr. Costa. Please begin----
    Ms. Montes. I think you've spoken with my folks----
    Mr. Costa. Yes. I have.
    Ms. Montes. Well thank you for hosting this----
    Mr. Costa. You have a passionate mother.

         STATEMENT OF BENINA MONTES, MANAGING PARTNER, 
BURROUGHS FAMILY ORCHARDS, DENAIR, CA; ON BEHALF OF REGENERATE 
                            AMERICA

    Ms. Montes. That's right. You know it. You don't forget 
her. I'm a farmer from Merced County. And we raise organic 
almonds, walnuts, olives, and sheep, on 1,200 acres. We've been 
farming organically for over 17 years, and are the first 
certified regenerative organic almond farm in the world. We 
follow five principles, no- or low-tillage, keeping the soil 
covered, having diversity, not using synthetic pesticides, 
herbicides or fertilizers, and integrating grazing livestock.
    I'm here to speak on behalf of Regenerate America, a 
national bipartisan coalition of farmers, businesses, 
nonprofits, and individuals, alongside thousands of farmers and 
ranchers across the country. We're asking you to make soil 
health and regenerative ag a primary focus in the 2023 Farm 
Bill which we've heard many times today.
    We would specifically ask that you support these six soil 
health focused and regenerative policies that will expand 
leading education, technical service, and implementation 
assistance for soil health systems; ensure equitable 
opportunity and access to all USDA programs; improve regional 
access to infrastructure, processing, and markets; increase 
access to healthy and regionally sourced food; increase 
farmland preservation and access, including for historically 
underserved producers; and remove barriers and incentivize soil 
health, and risk reduction through Federal crop insurance and 
lending.
    I've seen the benefits of soil health and regenerative farm 
agriculture on our operation, including increased resilience, 
not just economic, also reduced erosion, and impacts from 
drought and pests, increased climate resilience and 
biodiversity, and increased soil organic matter. For example, 
our increase in soil organic matter in the past year has led to 
an increase in water holding capacity on our farm, of more than 
4 million gallons.
    Our entire coalition is ready to work with you on the farm 
bill. And I appreciate your time today.
    Mr. Costa. Well thank you for your testimony. We look 
forward to working with you and the organic farming throughout 
the country. And please give your mom and dad my regards there 
in Merced County. And I still hope to get up there and see it.
    Ms. Montes. Any time you're welcome.
    Mr. Costa. Okay. Thank----
    Ms. Montes. Can I just add one quick thing? Years ago when 
we were at the farmers' market, some of these programs where 
people came with cards to be able to purchase food. I think it 
was through like EBT. Fresh fruits and vegetables were on 
there. But we had meat, we had almonds, we had olive oil, and 
eggs. And none of those products were able to be purchased 
through the card. And I'm not sure if that has been changed. 
But that was just one comment----
    Mr. Costa. I think there have been modifications to that. 
But let us get back to you on that----
    Ms. Montes. I just wanted to make sure because at the time 
I was like this is----
    Mr. Costa. We'll follow up and get back to you. We've got 
your card here.
    Ms. Montes. Awesome. Thank you.
    Mr. Costa. Okay? Okay. A gentleman has been waiting very 
patiently, Mr. Jamie Johansson, President of the California 
Farm Bureau, which I and so many other thousands of farmers in 
California are members of.
    And he's checked conversation and trade programs, but 
representing California Farm Bureau. He could speak on all 12 
titles of the farm bill. And it's good to have you here. And 
thank you for your patience. And a regular back in Washington, 
D.C., and testify with some regularity before the House 
Committee there as well.

     STATEMENT OF JAMES D. ``JAMIE'' JOHANSSON, PRESIDENT, 
       CALIFORNIA FARM BUREAU FEDERATION, SACRAMENTO, CA

    Mr. Johansson. Thank you, Congressman. And thanks to 
Chairman Scott for allowing you to have this hearing out here. 
I am Jamie Johansson, President of the California Farm Bureau. 
I'm also a farmer up in Butte County, farm olives and citrus.
    Speaking on crop insurance, as well as bringing in disaster 
relief programs, California's farmers, ranchers, and foresters, 
are all too familiar with changing weather conditions, 
including but not limited to changing hydraulic conditions that 
result in cyclical reoccurring drought and catastrophic 
wildfires that are burning more intensely and no longer limited 
to a season.
    Excuse me. With the impacts of disaster only intensifying, 
disaster and crop insurance programs have been an essential 
part of keeping farmers whole. With such a diverse set of 
commodities and practices in California, we must remain focused 
on improving and expanding these programs.
    As of May 22nd, the Congressional Research Service 
estimated that only about 80 specialty crops were covered 
through crop insurance programs, from the roughly 400 
agricultural commodities grown here in California. We must find 
solutions to overcome limitations inherent in the current 
system, and provide RMA with the necessary tools and structures 
they need to close this gap.
    Additionally, California Farm Bureau supports adequate 
funding levels for programs such as ELAP, Livestock Indemnity 
Program, Livestock [inaudible] Disaster Program, and Tree 
Assistance Program, Dairy Margin Coverage Program, and others. 
We also should recognize two--and highlighting the only 80 of 
the 400 crops grown in California being covered, the 
difficulties of getting crop insurance for these crops covered 
here.
    We were happy to see a pilot program started in Florida for 
strawberries introduced in California. In meeting with the RMA 
Administrator and other crop insurance salespeople, we're 
disappointed to hear that that program has not been well-
received in terms of people signing up. And certainly it is 
because, as we know in agriculture, and as what we certainly 
know in California agriculture, one size doesn't fit all. So we 
need those resources to adjust these crops, not just to how 
they're grown in the Southeast or in the Midwest, but how we 
farm in California.
    As you've heard continually about those crops that aren't 
covered, depend on the whole farm plan, a very difficult 
program to understand, one that isn't readily available unless 
there's been recent change in terms of the number of crop 
insurance agents who deal with that program. But we need to 
simplify--continue to simplify that program to make up--to 
cover that hole that exists for a lot of us in the specialty 
crop world there as well.
    So with that, thank you for your time. I do want to throw 
in there too that the crop insurance program should be for risk 
management. Risk management based on markets and production on 
the historical farmland production. We are very much in favor 
and we have a lot of thoughts on the conservation program and 
expanding those. And certainly known as more active in 
conservation programs offered through the farm bill than the 
California farmer.
    And in fact, one of the most popular one is EQIP. Been 
around for a while. And greatly utilized by California farmers. 
In 2020 alone, 408,000 acres, treated acres under the EQIP 
program, were in California. And there were 1,473 active EQIP 
programs in California. Those two are separate titles. And 
they're separate titles for a reason.
    And so going back to the crop insurance, we must preserve 
the integrity of the crop insurance program while also 
expanding our conservation program. And I know it was mentioned 
earlier up here, maybe--that maybe the two could meet. But we'd 
be strongly against that, that we maintain the integrity of the 
crop insurance program as a risk management tool.
    Mr. Costa. Well thank you. Thank you very much, Jamie, for 
that good testimony and pointing that out. I think it's 
important as we go forward. And I know that we're going to 
continue to work together as a leader on behalf of California 
agriculture and the California Farm Bureau. We'll look forward 
to your continuing input as we set the table for next year's 
farm bill reauthorization.
    And I always am excited when you and your friends come to 
Washington. It's a little easier today.
    Mr. Johansson. Yes. Thank you.
    Mr. Costa. Okay. Thank you very much. All right. We have 
two last witnesses on Title XII on miscellaneous. And I'd like 
them to come forward. And if you'll be kind enough to--we have 
Karen Rodriguez from the Kiss the Ground VP Program Operations, 
which is based in Los Angeles. And I have never heard before 
the Kiss the Ground VP Program. Looking forward to hearing more 
about that.
    Actually we have two witnesses. Are you going to both 
cover, because--all right. And Mr. Ryland Engelhart. You can 
stay forward there if you want to add a couple comments. But 
the last, but certainly not least. Thank you for being here. 
And coming all the way from Los Angeles.

         STATEMENT OF RYLAND ENGELHART, CO-FOUNDER AND 
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, KISS THE GROUND, FILLMORE, CA; ACCOMPANIED 
    BY KAREN RODRIGUEZ, VICE PRESIDENT OF PROGRAM OPERATIONS

    Mr. Engelhart. Yes. Thank you so much for the time and for 
making this listening session happen. My name is Ryland 
Engelhart. And I am one of the co-founders and the Executive 
Director of a nonprofit organization called Kiss the Ground----
    Mr. Costa. Mr. Engelhart, could you pause for a moment? For 
all of you who have been here, I would be remiss if I did not 
thank the House Agriculture Committee staff who have come here. 
And you see them kind of squirreling because they're trying to 
catch a--I think it's a 2:00 or 2:30 flight. So they have to 
get back on their plane.
    But Lisa, and Victoria, and Daniel, and I'm probably 
leaving some--Don Grady looks like, Paul, and--Faisal, who sat 
next to me last night. Thank all of you. Let's give them a 
round of applause for--obviously without their participation, 
we couldn't make this possible. Have a safe flight back to 
Washington. And I'll see you next week. I'm sorry, Mr. 
Engelhart. Please go ahead.
    Mr. Engelhart. Thank you. So as I said, I'm the Executive 
Director of a nonprofit organization started in Los Angeles 
called Kiss the Ground. Our mission is to awaken people to the 
possibilities of regeneration, specifically focused on the 
importance of healthy soil and regenerative agriculture, as the 
basis of a healthy infrastructure for society.
    And we produced a film that came out on Netflix about a 
year and a half ago, it's been seen about six million times, 
bringing the awareness and the importance of soil health to a 
broader audience. And so I'm here today because we've launched 
and are part of a campaign called Regenerate America. Soil is 
our common ground.
    And the objective of the campaign is to get the general 
public really in support of soil health and regenerative 
agriculture. And really driving awareness for that to bring the 
importance of that for our 2023 Farm Bill, such that we can 
reallocate funding towards the importance of soil health. For 
instance, I know that at this point there's about maybe one 
percent of the funding in the farm bill that is going to 
conservation and helping rebuild healthy soil.
    As we are seeing prices of fuel, as we're seeing fertilizer 
prices going up, it's never been a better time to focus on a 
resilient agricultural system. And focusing on soil health and 
regenerative agriculture, we see that as the biggest priority. 
I'm not here today speaking as a farmer or rancher, but both my 
sister and my father are small-scale specialty crop farmers 
here in California in Solano County and Filmore in Ventura 
County.
    And so, yes, we're here to share that our request to you, 
and to Congress, and to those that are deciding on how the 
funding will be allocated for the 2023 Farm Bill, that there is 
a big strong focus on soil health and regenerative agriculture.
    And specifically touching policies or titles in the farm 
bill, expanding and leading education around technical service 
and implementation assistance for soil health system, ensure 
equitable opportunity and access to all USDA programs, improve 
regional access to infrastructure and processing and markets, 
increase access to healthy and regional sourced food, increase 
farmland preservation and access including historically 
underserved producers, and remove barriers and incentives for 
soil health risk reduction through Federal crop insurance and 
lending.
    Mr. Costa. Terrific. And you can share any additional 
thoughts you might have in terms of written testimony to the 
Committee. Karen, do you have any additional thoughts you'd 
like to add that would complement his?
    Ms. Rodriguez. Yes. Absolutely. Just, you know, context is 
different for all Americans across the whole country. But I 
know that soil health really can address many of the challenges 
that we're facing today. And especially like in my community, 
the communities that I come from, it's nutrition and food, it's 
resilience of our ecosystems. And as a country it's just time 
to really tend to that.
    And so I just see a lot of opportunity. And there are so 
many answers to many of the things that we face. All of the 
things that Ryland touched on, they help, we're a resilient 
people. Humans are resilient. Farmers are resilient. But 
without the support in the farm bill for the health of soil, 
those barriers are just getting bigger.
    We can see it in our every day life today. And so this is 
just--it's just time to refocus and put the tending to life----
    Mr. Costa. I agree. And food is a national security issue. 
But it's a world security issue. And with climate change and 
other factors that we're dealing with, it's critical that we 
try to do our very best on the farm bill. And I said I think on 
the outset, a lot of the challenges and the titles that you 
referenced here have played an important role. And this 
information you give us is helpful for me and I think for the 
other Committee Members as well.
    We're going to have a problem with the baseline funding. 
Because a lot of these programs are oversubscribed. And 
Chairwoman Debbie Stabenow, Senator Stabenow from Michigan and 
I had a conversation about this several weeks ago. And we're 
trying to figure out how we can increase the baseline funding 
on some of these programs that have worked very well and that 
have been oversubscribed.
    And we want to make other modifications based upon 
suggestions that you've made to us today and others have. And 
so flexibility is I think what we're trying to do. And the farm 
bill tends to be historically one of the more bipartisan pieces 
of legislation we work on. And Lord knows we're going to need 
that next year when we're trying to put this together. So thank 
you.
    Mr. Engelhart. Can I ask one question?
    Mr. Costa. No. Go ahead.
    Mr. Engelhart. Our objective with Regenerate American is to 
create a bipartisan coalition. We have over about 75 groups 
that are signed on----
    Mr. Costa. Okay. And the question.
    Mr. Engelhart. And the question is, how can we, gathering 
public support, back you up to make the decisions and move the 
levers that you have access to--how do we----
    Mr. Costa. Well I mean it's a continued conversation. And 
keep us apprised of and updated, as with everybody. That's how 
this process works. And we're very accessible. We try to do our 
best. And I really appreciate everybody's testimony here today. 
And we'll do our very best in the next Congress to reauthorize 
the farm bill in a way that satisfies and reflects the needs of 
not only our nation, but the world.
    Because American agriculture really is--provides the 
leadership in so many of these areas. Whether you call it 
sustainable or regenerative, the fact of the matter is that I 
don't think any other place in the world do they do it any 
better in providing, and producing, and processing, and 
providing for our consumers the highest quality and nutritious 
food anywhere in the world.
    And if our eating habits were better and we wasted less 
food, it would be a reflection of that. But that's part of our 
own determination. And we have to teach kids in schools and 
that's why--we didn't talk about it today, but the school lunch 
and breakfast program for many kids is the best meal they get 
of the day.
    And we need to continue to work on that and teach good 
eating habits, which is so critical. As my mother used to say, 
``An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.'' And it all 
begins with eating healthy.
    And so anyway, thank all of you. Thank you for your time, 
your patience. I didn't quite stick to the 1:00 thing. But it 
was important for me to listen to all of you. And I am--mother 
nature is calling--I'm going to make a quick pitstop here, but 
I will be available if you want to talk a little bit after I do 
that. Okay? Thank you. This listening session is now over. I'm 
supposed to say a few magic words here.
    I thanked all of you. And now we do this, and for those who 
didn't get a chance to testify, the Agriculture Committee is 
publicly looking on rolling out a link and a portal that we can 
take further testimony, information on, for consumers, for 
farmers, dairymen and dairywomen, and all of those who are 
interested in the various farm bill programs.
    So there will be an opportunity to provide further 
information through the portal and the links that we can all 
participate in as we set the efforts for next year's 
reauthorization. And I would be remiss if I did not thank my 
alma mater, one of the premier universities in this country, 
home of the Bulldogs, Fresno State, for hosting us here today 
and allowing us to use their facilities.
    Thank you very much. And now the listening session is 
finished. What's that? Somebody left a tie. How would I know 
that? I mean, geez. I'm just trying to make this hearing go 
well.
    (Thereupon, the listening session was adjourned at 1:15 
p.m., P.D.T.)
    [Material submitted for inclusion in the record follows:]
                         Supplementary Material
     the listening session in fresno, ca: a visual retrospective *
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    * https://www.flickr.com/photos/houseagdems/albums/
72177720300213765.


          Alexa Fox, Senior Legislative Assistant for Mr. Costa.; Hon. 
        Jim Costa, a Representative in Congress from California; Daniel 
        Feingold, Staff Director, Subcommittee on Livestock and Foreign 
        Agriculture 
        
        
          Saul Jimenez-Sandoval, Ph.D., President, California State 
        University, Fresno
        
        
          Daniel Errotabere, Managing General Partner, Errotabere 
        Ranches; Member, Board of Directors, Westlands Water District
        
        
          Kirk Gilkey, President, Gilkey Farm, Inc.; Member, Board of 
        Directors, California Cotton Ginners and Growers Association; 
        on behalf of National Cotton Council
        
        
          Mark McKean, Owner, McKean Farms; on behalf of National 
        Cotton Council 
        
        
          Geoffrey Vanden Heuvel, Director of Regulatory and Economic 
        Affairs, Milk Producers Council
        
        
          Melvin Medeiros, Chairman, Western Area Council, Dairy 
        Farmers of America; Member, Executive Board, National Milk 
        Producers Federation
        
        
          Nicola Peill-Moelter, Ph.D., Director of Sustainability 
        Innovation, Office of the CTO, Vmware; on behalf of Regenerate 
        America 
        
        
          Thomas D. McCarthy, General Manager, Kern County Water Agency
        
        
          Marc Engstrom, California Director of Public Policy, Ducks 
        Unlimited
        
        
          Julia Kaye, Carlsbad, CA; on behalf of Regenerate America 
        
        
          Perri Caylor, Menlo Park, CA; on behalf of Regenerate America 

        
        
          Manuel Cunha, Jr., President, Nisei Farmers League
        
        
          Richard Matoian, President, American Pistachio Growers
        
        
          Ernie Schroeder, Jr., Chief Executive Officer, Jess Smith & 
        Sons Cotton, Inc.; First Vice-Chairman, American Cotton 
        Shippers Association
        
        
          Joey Fernandes, Owner, Fernjo Farms; Board Member, Land 
        O'Lakes, Inc.
        
        
          Gregory Mahoney, Treasurer and National Outreach Chairman, 
        California Welfare Fraud Investigators Association
        
        
          Natalie Caples, Co-Chief Executive Officer, Central 
        California Food Bank
        
        
          Itzul Gutierrez, Senior Policy Advocate, California 
        Association of Food Banks
        
        
          Jim Grant, Director, Social Justice Ministry, Diocese of 
        Fresno; on behalf of Catholic Relief Services
        
        
          Alicia Nelson, M.P.H., Director, Wellness Services, Student 
        Health and Counseling Center, California State University, 
        Fresno
        
        
          Allyson Hildebrand, Coordinator, The Amendola Family Student 
        Cupboard, California State University
        
        
          Eric Payne, Executive Director, The Central Valley Urban 
        Institute
        
        
          C. Lilian Thaoxaochay, Small Farms Community Educator, Small 
        Farm Workgroup, Cooperative Extension Fresno County, Division 
        of Agriculture and Natural Resources, University of California
        
        
          Jessie Kanter, Assistant Specialist, Small Farms and 
        Specialty Crops, Cooperative Extension Fresno and Tulare 
        Counties, Division of Agriculture and Natural Resources, 
        University of California
        
        
          Ruth Dahlquist-Willard, Ph.D., Small Farms Advisor, 
        Cooperative Extension Fresno and Tulare Counties, Division of 
        Agriculture and Natural Resources, University of California
        
        
          Carol Chandler, Member, Board of Directors, Western Growers; 
        Partner, Chandler Farms, L.P.
        
        
          Keith Watkins, Vice President, Farming, Bee Sweet Citrus, 
        Inc.; on behalf of California Citrus Mutual
        
        
          Jim Parsons, Partner, Parsons & Sons Farming, LLC
        
        
          Tim Borden, Sequoia Restoration and Stewardship Manager, Save 
        the Redwoods League; on behalf of Giant Sequoia Lands Coalition 

        
        
          William S. ``Bill'' Smittcamp, President and Chief Executive 
        Officer, Wawona Frozen Foods, Inc.
        
        
          Ian LeMay, President, California Fresh Fruit Association
        
        
          Kimberly Houlding, President and Chief Executive Officer, 
        American Olive Oil Producers Association
        
        
          Jon Reelhorn, Owner and President, Belmont Nursery; Member, 
        Executive Committee, AmericanHort
        
        
          Melissa Cregan, Agricultural Commissioner and Sealer of 
        Weights and Measures, Fresno County Department of Agriculture; 
        Regional Board Member, San Joaquin Valley, California 
        Agricultural Commissioners and Sealers Association
        
        
          Kaitlyn Demott, Handler; Brodee, Agricultural Detector K-9
        
        
          Jane Sooby, Senior Policy Specialist, California Certified 
        Organic Farmers
        
        
          Benina Montes, Managing Partner, Burroughs Family Orchards; 
        on behalf of Regenerate America
        
        
          James D. ``Jamie'' Johansson, President, California Farm 
        Bureau Federation
        
        
          Ryland Engelhart, Co-Founder and Executive Director, Kiss the 
        Ground; Karen Rodriguez, Vice President of Program Operations
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Submitted Article by Hon. Jim Costa, a Representative in Congress from 
                               California


[https://www.agalert.com/story/?id=15850]
Commentary: Dairy farmers are working to address climate issues
Issue Date: June 1, 2022

By John Talbot

    Each year we use the month of June to recognize our dairy farm 
families and the delicious, nutritious foods they help bring to the 
table. On the heels of Earth Day, we are leaning into the topic of 
dairy sustainability for this year's Dairy Month celebration to 
showcase California dairy's commitment to slowing climate impacts.
    Our state remains one of only two major global regions to establish 
a statutory mandate to reduce methane from the dairy sector and is on 
track to meet its ambitious target of a 40% reduction in manure methane 
by 2030.
    California dairy farm families have a long commitment to providing 
products that keep the state's finite resources and environmental 
balance in mind. For example, the amount of water used per gallon of 
milk produced has decreased by more than 88% over a 50 year period, due 
to improved feed crop production, water use efficiency and the use of 
byproducts as feed ingredients.
    Dairy is the leading agricultural product in California, making it 
crucial to the well-being of the fifth-largest economy in the world. 
However, California's dairy sector, which includes 1.7 million dairy 
cows, accounts for only 4% of the state's total greenhouse gas 
emissions.
    That's due to California dairy farmers' continued strides in 
reducing methane emissions through investment and innovation. According 
to a 2020 study published in the Journal of Dairy Science, greenhouse 
gas emissions per gallon of milk produced in California have decreased 
by more than 45% over the past 50 years.
    The use of anaerobic digesters, which turn manure methane into 
renewable electricity, renewable natural gas or hydrogen fuel, are 
driving much of this progress. California has roughly 206 digester 
projects capturing methane from 217 dairy farms, with 89 digesters 
currently in operation and the rest in various stages of development.
    Over the next 25 years, collective dairy methane reduction projects 
across California, including digesters and alternative manure 
management projects, are estimated to reduce more than 55 million 
metric tons of greenhouse gases. That's an annual emissions reduction 
equal to taking more than half a million cars off the road.
    At Calgren Dairy Fuels in Pixley, biogas from cow manure collected 
at 16 Tulare County dairies is converted to renewable compressed 
natural gas, or CNG, and introduced directly into the Southern 
California Gas Co., which serves 21.7 million customers.
    Phase one of this dairy digester pipeline cluster is capturing 
150,000+ tons of carbon dioxide equivalent greenhouse gases and 
displacing more than 3 million gallons of fossil fuel-based 
transportation fuel annually. The CNG is made available as a near-zero 
emissions fuel for heavy-duty trucks, replacing existing fossil-fuel 
diesel.
    Another step is innovation to reduce methane emissions from the 
source. Researchers at the University of California, Davis, are 
conducting studies to help dairy farmers adjust their cows' diets. For 
example, diets that include alfalfa, flax and other plants high in 
omega-3s such as seaweed have shown to reduce enteric methane from 
cattle digestion.
    Cattle have a unique digestive system that enables them to unlock 
nutrients from plants in a way we cannot. This means dairy cows can 
upcycle byproducts of food and fiber production that are inedible for 
humans, minimizing waste and reducing emissions from landfills. These 
byproducts, including almond hulls and citrus pulp, account for upward 
of 40% of a California dairy cow's diet in the state.
    Dairy farms are also focused on water-smart management practices. 
Water recycling is commonplace on California dairies, with the same 
drop of water used four to five times.
    Clean water cools milk tanks and is then used to water and wash the 
cows. The same water heads to a holding pond for storage, where it is 
used multiple times to flush manure out of barns, becoming rich with 
plant nutrients such as nitrogen. It is then blended with irrigation 
water to ``fertigate'' crops in the fields.
    Dairy farmers experimenting with drip irrigation to grow feed crops 
are using 47% less water while increasing crop yields. Regenerative 
agriculture practices such as crop rotation and no-till farming are 
also critical.
    Farmers depend on cows for their livelihood. To produce high-
quality milk, dairy cows must be healthy and cared for, which is why 
farmers focus on a nutritious diet, appropriate veterinary care and 
healthy living conditions. In turn, cows produce one of the healthiest 
and most sustainable products on the market.
    Because 99% of the dairy farms in California are family-owned, many 
of these sustainability practices have been passed down from generation 
to generation and improved upon over time.
    The time-tested, future-forward approach of the Golden State's 
dairy industry is focused on continued success on its journey toward 
climate neutrality and--ultimately--net-zero emissions.

          (John Talbot is the CEO of the California Milk Advisory 
        Board. He may be contacted through [email protected].)

          Permission for use is granted, however, credit must be made 
        to the California Farm Bureau Federation when reprinting this 
        item.
                                 ______
                                 
   Submitted Report by Marc Engstrom, California Director of Public 
                        Policy, Ducks Unlimited


Rice Stewardship_Annual Report 2021
          ``Louisiana NRCS has taken measures to adapt, grow capacity, 
        and serve landowners, producers, and partnerships. All while we 
        remain committed to our motto, `Helping People Help the 
        Land'.''
                                Chad Kacir, NRCS State Conservationist.


          Pictured: (left to right) Chad Kacir, NRCS, Hine Unkle, Rice 
        Producer.
Leadership Message
U.S. Rice Production in the New Millennium--Change Prevails
    The USA Rice-Ducks Unlimited Rice Stewardship Partnership reached 
an important milestone in 2021 and that is over 1,000 individual and 
unique farms served for the betterment of working ricelands, water, and 
wetland wildlife. One might ask ``is this significant progress since 
our inception in 2013''? Please allow us to put things into 
perspective.
    Based on research by nationally known agricultural economist, and 
friend of the rice industry, Dr. Nathan Childs, change indeed prevails 
in today's U.S. rice industry. As the total number of farms growing 
rice declined 52% from 9,627 in 1997 to 4,637 in 2017 (most recent 
Census), total planted rice acres also dropped from about 3.5 to 2.5 
million acres. However, the average acres of rice per farm expanded 
significantly now up to over 600 acres per year. And yields per acre 
are at an all-time high. Therefore, Rice Stewardship has reach 22% of 
farms in operation today and these farms are aggressively growing more 
acres and witnessing unprecedented yields.
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    (Statistics from: McBride, William D., Sharon Raszap Skorbiansky, 
and Nathan Childs. U.S. Rice Production in the New Millennium: Changes 
in Structure, Practices, and Costs, EIB-202, U.S. Department of 
Agriculture, Economic Research Service, December 2018).
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    Dr. Childs and colleagues go on to explain that the most 
significant change in rice production technologies in the new 
millennium is the introduction and adoption of new rice seed varieties. 
Southern rice producers increasingly planted hybrid and non-genetically 
modified herbicide-tolerant seed. Precision farming technologies also 
proliferated, especially the use of yield monitors, global positioning 
systems for rolling equipment (e.g., spray rigs), automation for 
stationary equipment (e.g., irrigation wells), and more. The adoption 
of new technologies in rice farming pushed per-acre production costs 
higher, but as rice yields also increased, higher costs were offset. 
Rice Stewardship is proud to have RiceTec Seed Company and Horizon Ag 
as long-time financial sponsors and technical advisors. And indeed, 
increasing technology efficiencies on the farm are a mainstay of our 
everyday operation.
    Another mainstay of our everyday operation is the Rice Stewardship 
field staff and the technical assistance provided to rice producers and 
the USDA Natural Resources Conservation Service (NRCS) Field Offices. 
In this annual report you will see more on the depth and diversity of 
this field team, from our veterans to our ``Women of Rice'', from 
expertise in program administration, to irrigation, to advancing 
technology as detailed above.
    Indeed, change prevails in the world today and within our U.S. rice 
industry. And Rice Stewardship embraces this change. May we not rest on 
our laurels and successes with the first 1,000 rice farms served but 
remember we have another 3,000+ farms in front of us. We thank the 
NRCS, our supply-chain financial sponsors, and many other in-kind 
supporters, for the progress made to date. Let us continue the 
momentum, the economic and environmental impact, through tomorrow and 
beyond. And let us all remember what is good for rice is good for 
ducks!



 
 
 
Jeff Durand                          Al Montna
Co-Chairman                          Co-Chairman
 

Women of Rice
By Emily Austin, Communications Specialist, Ducks Unlimited


          Pictured: Michaela Lee.

    Rice is one of the world's most important crops. Each year the U.S. 
rice industry distributes nearly 40 million pounds of rice around the 
world to combat food insecurity. Rice is also important to waterfowl, 
providing critical habitat in the most important migration and 
wintering landscapes of North America. The USA Rice-Ducks Unlimited 
Rice Stewardship Partnership (Rice Stewardship) has been working side-
by-side with rice producers to help keep farms producing quality crops 
and vital habitat.
    This overall effort is done thanks in no small part to all those 
who work behind the scenes making sure producers have the technical 
assistance, guidance, and access they need. Technical assistance is 
provided by 18 dedicated Conservation Specialist, including our Women 
of Rice: Misty Adams, Amy Carr, Michaela Lee, Megan Martin, Annie 
Pearson, and Emily Woodall. ``The people who work behind the scenes of 
Rice Stewardship are not always who you think they are,'' said Scott 
Manley, DU Director of Conservation Programs. ``We have a very diverse 
group of individuals, including six women, who work tirelessly to 
ensure our producers have the resources they need to sustain the future 
of rice.''
    Amy Carr, who works with producers in south Arkansas, has been part 
of the rice team for 3 years. Her work includes spending time with farm 
families and helping them work towards improved irrigation practices. 
``I have been involved with agriculture in one form or another all my 
life,'' Amy said. The daughter of a farmer and an avid sportsman, it is 
clear to see that conservation is a passion of Amy's, not just 
personally, but professionally as well. ``I grew up here, my family is 
here, I've known some of these producer families my whole life. When I 
retired from Bayer, I knew I still had a lot to give back to my 
community. When I had an opportunity to help producers through Rice 
Stewardship, there wasn't a moment's hesitation. I knew this was 
something I needed to do.''
    Covering north Arkansas is Misty Adams, mother of five, who is also 
working on her degree in Ag Business at Arkansas State University. 
``Being able to help producers enhance their farms as well as provide 
habitat for migrating waterfowl has been an amazing experience,'' said 
Misty. ``Being part of a program that allows me to not only have a 
positive impact on my community, but also spend time with my family and 
further my education, has truly been life changing.'' Misty has been 
able to work with producers to make better use of surface water for 
irrigation via strategically placed tailwater canals and pumps.
    Rice Stewardship wouldn't be the program it is today without the 
leadership of USA Rice and the technical assistance and support they 
provide. ``Working for USA Rice gives me a unique perspective when it 
comes to Rice Stewardship,'' said Emily Woodall, Manager, Rice 
Conservation Services for USA Rice. ``Being a voice for our producers, 
hearing what they need, and being able to secure additional 
conservation funding has been very rewarding.'' Emily, who has been a 
part of the program since 2017, works with state Natural Resources 
Conservation Service (NRCS) offices and other Partnership staff to 
ensure rice producers are receiving the financial and technical 
assistance they need as well as ensuring grant reporting requirements 
are being met.
    Michaela Lee, who joined the Rice Stewardship team in 2019, works 
with producers in south Louisiana. ``When I joined USA Rice and DU in 
May of 2019, I never imagined the impact our work would have for 
producers,'' Michaela said. Her work with the rice growers of Acadia 
Parish includes surveying fields for irrigation land leveling, taking 
measurements for grade stabilization structures, providing technical 
assistance for management practices such as nutrient management, 
reduced tillage and pest management. ``I truly love working with 
farmers helping them better their business. Seeing growers become more 
successful through programs such as Rice Stewardship assures me that we 
are using practices that are best suited to make their operation 
improve and grow each year.''
    One of the most important behind the scenes part of Rice 
Stewardship involves mapping and data processing. This is where Megan 
Martin and Annie Pearson come in. ``We have been working on a new 
method of winter water classification of rice fields,'' Megan said. 
``Here, we are evaluating if it plausible to use satellite imagery to 
determine if fields have water, rather than having our field staff make 
visits to our growing list of farms, to determine if every single field 
is holding water.'' The finished product would ideally be a report for 
each farm depicting where fields are flooded. While this project is 
still in the experimental stage, Megan is hopeful that this will be the 
future of winter water classification. Megan, who joined Rice 
Stewardship in 2020 after finishing her master's degree at Mississippi 
State University, has also been working on a project to determine the 
return on investment for surface water irrigation systems.
    ``All the data we collect each year from producers helps the 
program evolve,'' said Annie Pearson. Annie started as an intern 
working on Rice Stewardship in 2019. She recently earned her bachelor's 
degree from Delta State University and currently serves a vital role as 
part of the Rice Stewardship team. ``In order to have a sustainable 
program, we must follow the data and make adjustments along the way.'' 
Growing up in the Mississippi Delta surrounded by farms, Annie learned 
a lot about agriculture. ``Rice Stewardship has allowed me to work with 
some really great producers. Being able to work with and help those 
producers is truly fulfilling.''


          They are daughters, sisters, wives, and mothers. They are 
        scientist, surveyors, economists, and producers . . . they are 
        the Women of Rice.
For the Rice Producer
Diversification of Technical and Financial Resources
By Scott W. Manley, Ph.D., Ducks Unlimited, Director of Conservation 
Programs

    Today's world is no stranger to diversification. Financial 
diversification means lowering your risk by spreading money across and 
within different asset classes, such as stocks, bonds, and cash. It's 
one of the best ways to weather market ups and downs and maintain the 
potential for growth. Agricultural diversification, that is growing a 
diverse selection of crops, can expand your markets and offset 
commodity price swings. Overall, the economic picture improves with 
strategic crop diversification. With our goal of conserving working 
ricelands, water, and wildlife, we too must diversify our technical and 
financial resources for you, the rice producer. Beyond our foundational 
progress with the USDA Regional Conservation Partnership Program 
(RCPP), here's how we are diversifying our efforts today.

    Our Efforts:
Cooperative Agreements for Technical Assistance
    The technical assistance needed for rice producers and NRCS program 
delivery has far outstretched the 13 RCPP awards to date. To weather 
the up-and-down support of these various projects over the years, the 
NRCS has awarded Rice Stewardship cooperative agreements for added 
technical assistance in Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Texas. 
Here contributions from our financial sponsors are leveraged for 
additional NRCS technical assistance funds to purely support boots-on-
the-ground. The total value of the cooperative agreements in place is 
$2.5 million and will help ensure support to producers and NRCS Field 
Offices through 2024.
Louisiana's Deepwater Horizon Nutrient Reduction Strategy
    The next decade will host unprecedented opportunities for the Gulf 
Coast rice industry to benefit from the Deepwater Horizon remediation 
funding streams. What is called the Louisiana Trustee Implementation 
Group is developing restoration projects and plans to accomplish the 
significant work needed for the Gulf. Development of these projects is 
guided by an Implementation Plan finalized in 2016 as part of the legal 
settlement with British Petroleum. We have received the first award of 
$5.3 million to improve water quality by reducing nutrient runoff from 
crop and grazing lands through targeted implementation of conservation 
practices in critical areas within select watersheds. We will remain 
vigilant to additional Deepwater Horizon opportunities in the coming 
months and years ahead.
California's Drought Relief Waterbird Program
    In response to extreme drought-related concerns for Pacific Flyway 
waterbirds, the California Rice Commission has teamed up with the 
California Department of Water Resources (DWR) to fund a special $8.0 
million Drought Relief Waterbird Program. This program seeks to create 
waterbird habitat through the operation of groundwater wells to winter 
flood rice fields for migratory birds. In normal years the rice 
industry provides roughly 270,000 acres of post-harvest flooded rice 
and 7 to 10 million migratory waterbirds have learned to rely on these 
surrogate wetlands. Current drought conditions have restricted surface 
water use and we expect that without any additional programs there will 
only be 20% of normal flooded rice acres this year. In partnership with 
DWR the Commission will increase the number of flooded acres for 
migratory waterbirds with this critical program. Given the significant 
need for habitat and the constrained timeframe this program will be 
rolled out on an expedited schedule in early fall 2021.


          Photo: calrice.org.
        
        
          Photo: calrice.org.
A Message from the California Rice Commission
By Paul Buttner, Manager of Environmental Affairs

    This year we expanded our habitat work to accomplish new innovative 
wildlife habitat conservation outcomes. These efforts were implemented 
jointly by our two California Rice organizations working 
collaboratively to benefit the Pacific Flyway--the California Rice 
Commission and the California Ricelands Waterbird Foundation 
(Foundation).
    We've been able to do all this work with significant support from 
NRCS and by leveraging our Foundation's donor contributions to attract 
even more investments. Our current NRCS-supported activities include 
cutting-edge work through our newly branded conservation program 
delivery system called Bid4Birds, the use of winter-flooded rice fields 
to grow salmon with the goal of increasing their survival out to the 
Pacific Ocean, and efforts to increase sustainable funding sources for 
the Foundation.
    Using funds from our many donors, we've expanded our core mission 
of providing world class habitat on flooded rice for shorebirds. We now 
have the dedicated services of Luke Matthews, our waterbird biologist, 
working for the California Rice Commission who oversees our increasing 
number of projects. He and our conservation partners visit our project 
sites regularly to monitor field conditions and ensure that our donors' 
investments result in high quality habitat for all birds that benefit 
from programs. Our plans for next year include a renewal of our salmon 
work to pilot-test the new interim conservation practices on full-scale 
farms, our first coordinated effort to provide quality nesting cover 
habitat throughout the full nesting season, and expanded efforts to 
double our shorebird habitat acres in the spring and fall seasons.

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           Here is what we've accomplished over the past year
 
    b Ongoing habitat enhancement projects including 3,500 acres of
     shorebird habitat through Bid4Birds and 1,000 acres of nesting
     waterfowl habitat through RCPP.
 
    b Continuation of Phase I of our $1.4 million salmon habitat pilot
     project with University of California-Davis and our conservation
     partners to develop techniques to use winter-flooded rice fields to
     help salmon. We had great results from our 2020 field work, where
     there was a four-fold increase of our rice-field reared salmon
     making it safely to the ocean over our controls (no rice field
     rearing). Our dedicated project website, www.salmon.calrice.org,
     includes great photos and video clips of our field work on this
     project along with a full listing of our many donors including NRCS
     and Syngenta.
 
    b Initiation of our Drought Relief Waterbird Program with California
     Department of Water Resources in response to extreme drought-
     related concerns for Pacific Flyway waterbirds.
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          More information about California Rice activities can be 
        found at www.CalRice.org and www.CalRiceWaterbirds.org.

          Luke Matthews, left, works with producers to monitor field 
        conditions. He oversees many projects to ensure that our 
        donors' investments are being used to benefit all birds.
        
        
          Photo: calrice.org.
Brandon Bauman
Arkansas' Grand Prairie Producer
By Emily Austin, Communication Specialist, Annie Pearson, Rice 
Technician, Ducks Unlimited

    Located just outside Stuttgart, Arkansas, Bauman Farms is a prime 
example of how Rice Stewardship works to sustain rice production 
through conservation of land, water, and wildlife resources. ``When I 
first started farming, I rented some land not far from where we are 
today. It was a crop share that needed a lot of conservation 
improvements,'' said Brandon Bauman. ``I went to the NRCS to ask for 
help.'' Brandon learned about Environmental Quality Incentives Program 
(EQIP) and Conservation Reserve Program (CRP) and began working on 
improving irrigation practices based on their recommendations.
    ``My dad was a farmer, and I grew up watching him work the land. 
When I graduated from college, I used my father's equipment to work the 
farmland I was renting at the time.'' Brandon said. Eventually Brandon 
was able to buy his own equipment and in 2014 when his father retired 
from farming, Brandon took over 100% making Bauman Farms a seamless 
7,000 acre operation.
    Working the land and being able to see the link from farm to table 
has been an inspiration to Brandon. ``Being a part of something from 
the beginning, seeing it take hold and grow, is what farming is all 
about. I've also been involved with Rice Stewardship since its 
beginning. The impact it has had on countless farmers and in turn 
consumers has been nothing short of amazing.''


          Photo: calrice.org.

    ``There are a lot of mouths to feed around the country and around 
the world, that depend on rice,'' Brandon said. ``We have to be 
responsible with the resources we have. Rice Stewardship helps farmers 
develop best practices when it comes to preparing the soil and 
irrigation practices. Practices that we can implement, improve upon, 
and sustain year after year.'' Practices like using surface water 
reservoirs for irrigation. ``Thanks to targets and goals set forth in 
Rice Stewardship, our farm operates with more than 50% surface water 
irrigation.''
    Brandon believes in being able to tell the story of working the 
land and being able to leave it better than he found it. He feels it is 
important to align with partners who hold true to this vision and 
support sustainable farming practices by overcoming challenges. One of 
the biggest challenges farmers face in Arkansas centers around 
groundwater decline therefore making surface water irrigation 
techniques so important.
    Part of telling the story of farming and ensuring the future lies 
in educating the next generation. ``An unexpected opportunity came out 
of COVID quarantines and lockdowns. We had a captive audience to teach 
about rice farming.'' Brandon explained that when local schools 
shutdown in-person learning, students were looking for something to do, 
so he hired them to work on the farm. ``It became a bit of a 
competition among the students. They would post on social media about 
what they were doing that day in the fields. There were a lot of kids 
who would never have thought about farming, out here doing just that.''
    In addition to his work with Rice Stewardship, Brandon works with 
other producers by serving on the Riceland Foods Board, a role he has 
held for 9 years. He is also very involved with USA Rice and an active 
member of the Arkansas County Soil and Water Conservation Board. 
Brandon uses these various positions to help share perspectives on the 
relationship between rice and ducks.


          Photo: Bauman Farms.

        ``There are a lot of mouths to feed around the country and 
        around the world, that depend on rice.''
                                                        Brandon Bauman.
A Message From Louisiana NRCS
By Chad Kacir, NRCS State Conservationist


          Chad Kacir, NRCS State Conservationist, with Kona and 
        Bureaux.

    As we wind down 2021 and prepare for the new year, I'm looking 
forward to new beginnings and continuing with the great work that we 
accomplished in 2021. Together, we emerged on the other side of the 
challenges of COVID-19 stronger, wiser, and more connected to each 
other and to the land than ever before. Louisiana NRCS has taken 
measures to adapt, grow capacity, and serve landowners, producers, and 
partnerships. All while we remain committed to our motto, ``Helping 
People Help the Land.''
    Although I'm not new to NRCS, I am relatively new to Louisiana. I 
began my tenure as the Louisiana State Conservationist in December of 
2019. I'd like to share my conservation story with you. I grew up in 
the south Texas town of Victoria, Texas, graduated from Texas Tech 
University with B.S. in Agricultural Economics. It was while working in 
a private sector position that I realized I was missing out on my 
passion for agriculture, and eventually owned and operated a successful 
cow-calf operation. It was during those years I was introduced to NRCS 
and learned first-hand about the technical expertise and cost share 
assistance it provides to farmers, ranchers, and forest landowners.
    I also learned about the integral role the local Soil and Water 
Conservation Districts (SWCD) play in the delivery of conservation 
practices to private landowners. I was so impressed with NRCS and my 
local SWCD and the services they provided to me, I decided to pursue a 
career with NRCS. My first job was as a soil conservationist at two 
locations in Texas. Next, I became the District Conservationist in 
Oahu, Hawaii, and then the Assistant State Conservationist for field 
operations in Oklahoma. When the opportunity to come to Louisiana 
presented itself, my wife and I were excited to make the move!
    One of the major accomplishments that NRCS has achieved since I 
arrived in Louisiana is an adjustment to the internal organization of 
our offices throughout the state. To better serve our producers, 
ranchers, and forest landowners, we made some operational adjustments 
by standing up Louisiana Resource Units (LARUs). This system groups 
local field offices into areas each with a District Conservationist, a 
lead planner, soil conservationist and each area having access to 
specialists who can assist landowners with specific resource concerns. 
This adaptation of organizational structure allows our 44 offices 
located throughout the state to be more flexible and better able to 
assist customers quickly.
    Another major accomplishment is the recruitment and on-boarding of 
additional NRCS staff to better serve our customers. Over the last 
year, more than 50 new employees have started or are continuing their 
careers with Louisiana NRCS. We have been fortunate to hire the best 
and the brightest from within Louisiana and from across the U.S. Each 
of these new employees brings a fresh perspective along with a desire 
to assist producers and provide excellent customer service.
    Last, we are extremely proud of the NRCS Pathways Program (student 
internship) that attracts a diverse group of students from universities 
across the state and country to learn about natural resources 
conservation as a student intern. During internships students learn 
about NRCS and explore potential careers while still in school and 
receiving a stipend, an extremely important perk for college students! 
Our hope and the goal of Pathways is students who intern with Louisiana 
NRCS will become the next generation of conservation professionals.
    These are just a few of the Louisiana NRCS accomplishments over the 
last 2 years. None of which would have been possible without the 
dedication and professionalism of the 202 employees located across the 
state. My belief is that if we operate and function as a team, we can 
provide the most up-to-date conservation information and expertise to 
our customers. As the eighth State Conservationist for Louisiana, my 
commitment is to you, our customers, and partners, as we continue the 
legacy of strong conservation in our state. My door is always open. 
Please do not hesitate to reach out to me with ideas, questions, or 
concerns.


          Photo: calrice.org

          ``Over the last year, more than 50 new employees have started 
        or are continuing their careers with Louisiana NRCS. We have 
        been fortunate to hire the best and the brightest from within 
        Louisiana and from across the US. Each of these new employees 
        brings a fresh perspective along with a desire to assist 
        customers and provide excellent customer service.''
                                Chad Kacir, NRCS State Conservationist.
The Schiurring Family
Texas Gulf Coast Producer
By Slade Schiurring; Lance Cheung, USDA Photographer; Mary Smith, 
Wharton County SWCD; Dennis Neuman and Raul Villarreal, Ducks Unlimited

    Since 1910, four generations of the Schiurring family have 
harvested rice on the 3S Ranch near El Campo in Colorado and Wharton 
counties. The family grows approximately 1,500 acres of long grain rice 
annually and markets through American Rice Growers, Inc.
    Third generation, J. Brent Schiurring, was one of the first farmers 
to grow organic rice and helped start the organic movement in Texas.
    Besides rice farming, the family runs a waterfowl hunting operation 
on the ranch dating back to the late 1940s. They helped pioneer 
commercial waterfowl hunting in their local area of Texas. ``Rice 
farming and duck and goose hunting go hand-in-hand. What is good for 
rice, is also good for ducks,'' said owner and fourth generation 
producer Slade Schiurring. ``We flood about 1,500 to 1,800 acres a year 
for the hunting operation. Tens of thousands of wintering waterfowl 
including ducks, geese and sandhill cranes, roost and feed on our farm 
and neighboring farms each year.''
    The Schiurring's use conservation programs to improve their rice 
fields, boost production and waterfowl populations, all the while 
increasing their efficiency and reducing fuel costs. ``I was lucky 
enough to carry on our family history of rice farming and our waterfowl 
hunting operations alongside my mom and dad after I graduated from 
Texas A&M University in 2016,'' Slade said. ``I have served on the 
board of the Wharton County Soil and Water Conservation District (SWCD) 
since 2019 and have been a local Ducks Unlimited volunteer since 
2010.''
    The family received conservation technical and financial assistance 
from the NRCS through the Environmental Quality Incentives Program 
(EQIP) to implement land leveling for efficient use of irrigation 
water. The family also created additional wildlife habitat through the 
Conservation Stewardship Program (CSP). Both efforts were part of a 
larger effort by NRCS and the Rice Stewardship Partnership.
    ``Land leveling and improving our rice farms would be nearly 
impossible due to the cost of building the infrastructure on our fields 
and farm for rice production,'' said Slade. ``Each bench levee we 
construct has two to three aluminum water control structures to help 
control water levels in each bench cut. Land leveling and installing 
these permanent water structures not only saves on water usage and the 
overall cost of water, but also on labor and time as well. We now can 
use rainfall better than ever because we can hold more rainfall due to 
bigger and better levees and not having to deal with blow outs causing 
water loss on conventional levees adding to our advantage savings on 
all of the above.''
    After harvest is complete, Slade always leaves crop residue in the 
fields. This helps protect the land from wind and water erosion but 
also provides food for wintering waterfowl. The residue aids in 
conserving soil moisture, increasing water infiltration, and improving 
soil tilth.
    ``We have also done a lot of work with DU, NRCS, and Texas Parks & 
Wildlife Department through the Texas Prairie Wetland Project (TPWP),'' 
said Slade. ``TPWP is a key program for waterfowl conservation 
alongside the larger Rice Stewardship Partnership that is helping to 
create and restore the loss of wintering waterfowl habitat on the Gulf 
Coast of Texas.''
    ``The Schiurring's are one of more than 100 Texas rice farming 
families voluntarily participating in the Rice Stewardship,'' said 
Kirby Brown, conservationist outreach biologist for DU. ``Through these 
partnerships, we can target NRCS program funding to assist producers in 
conserving water for irrigation, improving water quality, and providing 
habitat for waterfowl, shorebirds, wading birds, raptors and many other 
wildlife species. These valuable conservation incentive programs are a 
win-win-win for rice producers, NRCS, the public, and particularly our 
wetland wildlife.''
    Outstanding conservation efforts were recognized in 2019 when the 
Wharton County SWCD honored Slade as their Outstanding Farmer of the 
Year. Slade said he wants to be able to pass the rice farming operation 
onto his future children one day. He, along with his ancestors, knew 
that taking care of the land is the best way to ensure this family's 
legacy continues.

          ``Rice farming and duck and goose hunting go hand-in-hand. 
        What is good for rice, is also good for ducks.''
                                                      Slade Schiurring.


          Photo: USDA.
Trusted Advisor: Bob Young
By Emily Austin, Communication Specialist, Annie Pearson, Rice 
Technician, Ducks Unlimited

    What is it like to make natural resources conservation in 
agriculture a major part of your life for over forty years? If you 
spend much time with Rice Specialist Bob Young, you will come away with 
an understanding of his passion and commitment to helping producers and 
wildlife alike. Bob shares his knowledge and experiences with rice 
producers, partners, fellow employees, and others on an almost daily 
basis.
    As a teenager, Bob worked on a family member's farm where he 
developed a love for the land and recognized that more attention needed 
to be given to agricultural land use. Bob began his career with the 
NRCS in the summer of 1979 as a technician while attending Arkansas 
State University (ASU). After graduating in 1982 with a Bachelor of 
Science in Agriculture, Bob went to work for the Louisiana NRCS. Over a 
6 year period as a soil conservationist and district conservationist, 
Bob was instrumental in expanding no-till farming and worked on 
watershed projects for flood and erosion control and water quality 
improvement. Returning to Arkansas in 1988 Bob was promoted to Area 
Resource Conservationist. One of Bob's proudest achievements was 
bringing small farmers and the community together to form one of the 
best farmers' markets in the state on the ASU campus. Bob was promoted 
to the Assistant State Conservationist for Field Operations in 2010 
where he managed a multidisciplinary team throughout northeast 
Arkansas.
    Although Bob retired from NRCS in 2014, he worked as an agronomist 
under contract with them and managed the farmer's market. He also 
formed and managed agreements with a nonprofit corporation to provide 
contract employees to the NRCS in multiple counties.
    In August of 2015, Bob was hired on with Rice Stewardship. Bob is 
passionate about Rice Stewardship and finds the program very rewarding. 
When asked what he would consider the biggest challenge with Rice 
Stewardship Bob said, ``not enough funding''. He sees many good 
projects on the farms he works with go unfunded every year. When asked 
what advice you would have for rice producers, Bob commented that he 
would like to see more rice producers thinking about managing at least 
a portion of their farm for ducks. Rice fields contain highly 
nutritious food for waterfowl. Ducks dabble in the shallow water for 
waste grain, weed seeds, and aquatic invertebrates. ``I feel blessed to 
have enjoyed conservation work for over forty years. Rice Stewardship 
fits my life and provides a great deal of satisfaction knowing that I 
get to help others that believe conservation in agriculture will 
provide sustainability for future generations''.


          Photo: Emily Austin, Ducks Unlimited.
Trusted Advisor: Dave Wissehr
By Emily Austin, Communication Specialist, Annie Pearson, Rice 
Technician, Ducks Unlimited


          Photo: NRCS.

    Dave Wissehr has been part of Rice Stewardship as a Rice Specialist 
for more than 6 years. ``It was opening day of the Missouri 2015 early 
teal Season. I was in our local grocery picking up ingredients to make 
stir-fried teal for dinner that night,'' Dave recalls when thinking 
about how it all started. ``My phone rang it was an unknown number, but 
I decided to answer it anyway, it was Mark Flaspohler, Director of 
Conservation Programs with Ducks Unlimited in Missouri. He wasted no 
time offering me a job with Rice Stewardship as a Rice Specialist.''
    Raised in South St. Louis, Missouri, Dave graduated from St. John 
the Baptist Catholic High School and then went on to complete course 
work for a degree in Ecology/Wildlife Management from Lindenwood 
College in St. Charles, Missouri.
    Dave worked for 35 years with the Missouri Department of 
Conservation (MDC) in a variety of positions. In 1986 he moved to 
Southeast Missouri as a Private Lands Specialist for the Department, 
working extensively with landowners in an eleven-county area. During 
this time much of his work was assisting farmers as they applied for 
and navigated their way through programs like the Conservation Reserve 
Program (CRP), Environmental Quality Incentive Program (EQIP) and 
Conservation Stewardship Program (CSP).
    After retiring from MDC, Dave went to work for the NRCS. This 
position allowed Dave to work with landowners who enrolled in the 
Wetland Reserve Program (WRP), later known as Wetland Reserve Easement 
(WRE) program.
    Dave is a people person. Well known to producers, NRCS staff and 
other related agency partners, he does his best to see all program 
participants at least twice yearly. As well as being versed in rice 
production it doesn't hurt that he can talk ``ducks''. Rice producers 
are often duckaholics too!
    In his current role as a Rice Specialist, Dave works with NRCS 
staff and rice farmers in nine counties, promoting conservation and 
encouraging rice producers to apply for assistance through farm bill 
programs. Dave attends field days, often serving as an instructor, 
promoting program practices that assist rice farmers as they increase 
production while reducing costs and improving natural resource 
conservation. Program and field monitoring is also a significant part 
of Dave's responsibilities. Over the last 3 years he has assisted in 
the development of a satellite-based monitoring system which will 
hopefully reduce staff field time and miles.
    We know that Dave is greatly trusted by rice producers and NRCS 
staff and is a significant player in the Rice Stewardship Partnership 
in Missouri.
Out First Thousand Producers Salute Our Rice Stewardship Top-Tier 
        Financial Sponsors
    This year marks an important milestone for Rice Stewardship and 
that is 1,000 individual farms served for the betterment working 
ricelands, water, and wildlife habitat.
    These first 1,000 farms, their owners, operators, workforce, and 
surrounding rural communities, salute our top-tier Rice Stewardship 
financial sponsors, who have collectively contributed over $7.7 million 
towards their support.


Farm Credit Associations of Arkansas
By Emily Woodall, USA Rice, Manager of Rice Conservation Services

    The Farm Credit Associations of Arkansas, the largest single ag 
lender in the state, is the first agricultural lending entity to invest 
in the Rice Stewardship Partnership. Arkansas is the largest rice-
producing state in the country with many rice producers receiving loans 
through the Farm Credit Associations of Arkansas and serving on the 
respective boards of these member-owned associations.
    ``The Farm Credit Associations of Arkansas is one of the premiere 
ag lenders in our state that is truly customer-focused'' comments Jeff 
Rutledge, a rice producer from Jackson county and a member of the 
AgHeritage Farm Credit Services Board. ``As an organization, they are 
committed to protecting their customers best interests, sustaining our 
natural resources, and ensuring we as producers can remain profitable. 
This commitment is demonstrated in their contribution to the Rice 
Stewardship Partnership's efforts.''
    The Farm Credit Associations of Arkansas understands the importance 
of ensuring the success of the state's rice producers. They recognize 
the positive financial impact that implementing voluntary conservation 
practices have on producers' livelihoods, but also recognize that these 
practices can often be costly and risky to implement.
    Greg Cole, CEO and president of AgHeritage Farm Credit Services 
states, ``Conservation practices can deliver economic value for not 
only farmers, but also local communities, landowners, and their 
financial partners. The Farm Credit Associations are excited to support 
this work, expanding voluntary conservation opportunities for our 
members and Arkansas' rice farmers.''
    ``This financial support will aid the Partnership in delivering our 
Regional Conservation Partnership Program (RCPP) projects on the 
ground.'' stated Josh Hankins, USA Rice Director of Grower Relations 
and Rice Stewardship Partnership. ``These funds allow us to continue to 
offer the technical assistance and outreach that is necessary for these 
projects to succeed.''
    The Farm Credit Associations of Arkansas are part of the national 
Farm Credit System which has supported rural America since 1916. In 
Arkansas, each of the four independent associations is owned by its 
members and serves a different part of the state. Farm Credit of 
Western Arkansas serves the western region, AgHeritage Farm Credit 
Services serves the central region, Farm Credit Midsouth serves the 
eastern region, while Delta, Agricultural Credit Association, serves 
customers in the state's four most southeastern counties. Collectively, 
their 11,000+ members include both traditional and non-traditional 
farmers, rural homeowners, livestock operators, and landowners.


          Photo: Farm Credit Associations of Arkansas.
Developing Surface Water for On-Farm Irrigation in the Mid-South
Phase I Results
By Scott W. Manley, Ph.D., Ducks Unlimited, Director of Conservation 
Programs

    Over the last several years the NRCS in Arkansas, Louisiana, and 
Mississippi, in collaboration with many partners, has worked tirelessly 
with agricultural producers to improve irrigation efficiencies and 
reduce groundwater use. Programs like the Environmental Quality 
Incentives Program (EQIP) have been used to provide financial and 
technical assistance for practices such as irrigation water management, 
pump improvements and automation, soil moisture sensors, and more, all 
to reduce groundwater withdrawals while maintaining crop yields. Much 
progress has been made.
    The next primary strategy for reducing groundwater use is more 
effective use of available surface waters for irrigation. Natural 
rivers, bayous, oxbow lakes, and drainage canals, along with 
constructed tailwater and on-farm reservoir storage (where feasible), 
all provide an ample source of irrigation waters that can be used first 
and foremost each growing season. Turning to available surface-water 
irrigation offers significant relief for groundwater resources. This 
coupled with efficiencies as stated above are the combined solution for 
stressed groundwater resources.
    Over the last 2 years Rice Stewardship staff worked with Louisiana 
and Mississippi NRCS to hold EQIP sign-ups for surface water irrigation 
development and improvements. The table on the next page details 
general statistics and importantly, the amount of time these irrigation 
projects will take to pay for themselves, based upon surface water 
replacing groundwater use. Or in other words, what is the return on 
investment for the total project cost, and then just the producer's 
portion of that total cost.
    Our Phase I results show that even if surface water replaced 
groundwater 100%, payback time for total project cost would range from 
14 to 17 years in the Mississippi Delta, and 6 to 7\1/2\ years in 
Southwest Louisiana. However, with significant financial assistance 
from the NRCS and EQIP, the producer's out-of-pocket expense would be 
recovered in 54 years in the Delta and 52\1/2\ years in Southwest 
Louisiana.
    As the proportion of annual irrigation supplied by surface water 
decreases, the payback time significantly increases. Based on our Phase 
I results it appears that any irrigation project supplying less than 
25% surface water per year takes an excessively long period of time to 
return our investment.
    From the 85 projects under our Phase I efforts, we learned much 
more about producer's perceptions and developing surface water 
irrigation projects. First, abundant surface waters need be in close 
proximity. Anything more than a quarter mile was deemed impractical to 
develop. Approximately 75% of producers were already experimenting with 
surface water irrigation and ready to expand their visions to more 
volume and more acres. And 70% of producers intended to convert their 
project acres to full surface water supply turning to groundwater only 
in the driest of years.
    We have initiated Phase II of developing surface water for on-farm 
irrigation in the Mid-South. We plan to add another 80 projects by the 
end of 2023. Our current analyses have many assumptions such as crop 
rotations, ratios of surface and groundwater used, and differences in 
pump efficiencies based on pump type and size, fuel source, and static 
water levels. But we look forward to perfecting our rate of return on 
investment analyses going forward, and importantly, learning about 
overall project effectiveness and impact from our leading producers.


          Using surface water for irrigation allows rice fields to 
        cleanse sediment and nutrients from water bodies such as this 
        Louisiana bayou.
Surface Water for Irrigation--Return on Investment
Phase I Results

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Project General Totals
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                                                                                            No. of    Total Acres  Total Costs    Producer      Annual
                                                                                           Projects                                 Cost      Irrigation
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Mississippi Delta                                                                                 72       18,658  $11,137,942  \1\ $2,547,  \2\ 352,254
                                                                                                                                        147     AC-IN/AC
 
Southwest Louisiana                                                                               13        4,810   $1,303,442  \3\ $426,17   \4\ 95,228
                                                                                                                                          2     AC-IN/AC
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Project Payoff Time in Years by Total and Producer Only Costs
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                                                        100% Surface
                                                         75% Surface
                                                         50% Surface
                                                         25% Surface
                                                 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                     Total       Producer      Total       Producer      Total       Producer      Total       Producer
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Diesel \5\                                               14.1          3.2         18.8          4.3         28.2          6.5         56.5         12.9
Electric \6\                                             17.4          4.0         23.2          5.3         34.7          7.9         69.5         15.9
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Project Payoff Time in Years by Total and Producer Only Costs
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                                                        100% Surface
                                                         75% Surface
                                                         50% Surface
                                                         25% Surface
                                                 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                     Total       Producer      Total       Producer      Total       Producer      Total       Producer
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Diesel                                                    6.1          2.0          8.1          2.7         12.2          4.0         24.4          8.0
Electric                                                  7.5          2.5         10.0          3.3         15.0          4.9         30.0          9.8
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\1\ Producer cost is a portion of total cost and in the Mississippi Delta averaged 23%.
\2\ Annual irrigation requirements based on an acre rotation of 40% rice, 40% soybeans, and 20% fallow. Base irrigation amounts published by Massey, et
  al., 2017, Long-term measurements of agronomic crop irrigation made in the Mississippi delta portion of the lower Mississippi River Valley. Irrigation
  Science 35: 297-313.
\3\ Producer cost is a portion of total cost and in southwest Louisiana averaged 33%.
\4\ Annual irrigation requirements based on an acre rotation of 40% rice, 20% crawfish aquaculture, and 40% fallow. Base irrigation amounts published by
  Baisakh, et al., 2019, Developing rice varieties suitable for alternative irrigation regimes in Louisiana, LSU AgCenter Winter Research Bulletin. W.R.
  McClain and R.P. Romaire, 2007, Louisiana Crawfish Production Manual, LSU AgCenter Publication #2637.
\5\ Diesel pumping plant costs based on farmgate fuel price of $2.50 gallon.
\6\ Electric pumping plant costs based on power charge of $0.13 per kilowatt hour.

Financials 2020-2021
Rice Acres Impacted


          RCPP = Regional Conservation Partnership Program EQIP = 
        Environmental Quality Incentive Program CSP = Conservation 
        Stewardship Program.
Financial Support
(July 1, 2019-June 30, 2020)


Where the Money Goes


          Financial reporting does not include in-kind contributions of 
        time and talent.
Thank You To Our Leading Financial Supporters


In-Kind Supporters
          We sincerely [appreciate] the time and talent offered by so 
        many in-kind supporters, without whom, Rice Stewardship could 
        not be such a success.

 
 
 
Ag Council of Arkansas               Louisiana Rice Growers Assn.
Agri-Drain [Corporation]             Louisiana Rice Mill
American Carbon Registry--Winrock    Louisiana Rice Research & Promotion
 International                        Board
Applied Geosolutions                 Louisiana State University AgCenter
Arkansas Assn. Conservation          Lower Colorado River Authority
 Districts
Arkansas Chapter--The Nature         Lower Mississippi Valley Joint
 Conservancy                          Venture
Arkansas Farm Bureau                 Lower Neches Valley Authority
Arkansas Natural Resources           Mars
 Commission
Arkansas Rice Federation             McCrometer
Arkansas Rice Research & Promotion   Mississippi Rice Research &
 Board                                Promotion Board
Audubon Texas                        Missouri Department of Conservation
Bay City Chamber of Commerce and     Missouri Rice Producers Group
 Agriculture
Bunge North America                  National Black Growers Council
Californa Rice Commission            National Watershed Coalition
Californa Rice Research & Promotion  Northern California Water Assn.
 Board
Central Valley Joint Venture         Syngenta
Chambers Liberty County Navigation   Texas A&M AgriLife Extension
                                      Service
City of Eagle Lake, TX               Texas A&M Institute for Renewable
                                      Natural Resources
Coastal Bend Groundwater             Texas A&M Wintermann Rice Research
 Conservation District                Station
Colorado County SWCD                 Texas Parks & Wildlife Department
Colorado County, TX                  Texas Rice Producers--CWIC
Delta Council                        Texas Rice Producers Legislative
                                      Group
Delta F.A.R.M.                       Texas State Soil & Water
                                      Conservation Board
Delta Wildlife                       Texas Water Resources Institute
Eagle Lake Chamber of Commerce       The Climate Trust
Entergy                              The Landscape Flux Group
Enviromental Defense Fund            The Rice Foundation
Field to Market                      Unilever
Garden Highway Mutual Water Company  USA Rice Council
Gulf Coast Joint Venture             USA Farmers
Gulf Coast Water Authority           USA Rice Merchants' Assn.
Independent Cattleman's Assn.        USA Rice Millers' Assn.
Kellogg's                            Wharton County SWCD
Louisiana Department of Agriculture  White River Irrigation District
 and Forestry
Louisiana Department of              Yellow Rails and Rice Festival
 [Environmental] and Quality
Louisiana Department of Wildlife
 and Fisheries
 

          ``We thank the NRCS, our supply chain financial sponsors, and 
        many other in-kind supporters, for the progress made to date. 
        Let us continue the momentum, the economic and environmental 
        impact, through tomorrow and beyond. And let us all remember 
        what is good for rice is good for ducks!''
                Jeff Durand, Producer and Co-Chairman, Rice Stewardship


          Photo: calrice.org.

          Thank You . . . for your support and dedication to conserving 
        our Nation's working ricelands, water, and wetland wildlife.
        
        
          Photo: calrice.org.
For More Information Please Contact

 
 
 
          Ducks Unlimited                          USA Rice
Scott Manley                         Josh Hankins
[email protected]                    [email protected]
601.956.1936                         501.398.6678
   www.ducks.org/ricestewardship               www.usarice.com
 

                                     
                                     
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Submitted Statement by Mark McKean, Owner, McKean Farms, Riverdale, CA; 
                  on behalf of National Cotton Council
    Thank you for holding this listening session. California and 
virtually all parts of the West are suffering from historic drought 
conditions. Farmers in our state and others are not only facing this 
issue due to Mother Nature, but also due to severely restricted state 
and Federal water allocations. Couple this together with SGMA and 
productive farm land is being fallowed. We are fallowing land. We will 
receive between zero and 10% of normal on our farms
    Farmers are always optimistic, otherwise we wouldn't be farmers. I 
am optimistic that what we are seeing today will improve in the future. 
Moving forward it is critical that prevented plant coverage is 
maintained in crop insurance. We also need additional flexibility with 
prevent plant. The current 1-in-4 rule implemented by USDA's Risk 
Management Agency in regards to prevent plant dampens that optimism 
when it comes to insuring crops. The 1-in-4 rule requires a grower to 
insure, plant and harvest a crop in 1 out of the last 4 years to be 
eligible for prevented plant insurance. This is extremely problematic 
due to the current drought facing the West. The 1-in-4 rule was 
originally created for farmland that was never really farmed or 
farmable due to being too wet. Unfortunately, it was expanded to 
include drought. We have extremely productive and farmable land, and it 
has a long history of being so. If this drought lasts longer than an 
arbitrary number chosen by RMA, we will start losing this coverage 
unless a change is made, at least for our irrigated crops.
    I also have two more specific issues.

  (1)  Under the EQIP, SWEEP and other programs growers cannot start 
            construction or implementation of a project or practice 
            until notified by NRCS that the project is funded. Many 
            times this notice is months if not years in the coming. 
            Producers simply cannot wait that long for a decision. I 
            ask that the producer need only to complete the application 
            before starting the project or practice. This would allow 
            for the orderly progression of projects and not hold 
            producers hostage.

  (2)  I realize the port issue is not a farm bill issue, however [it 
            is] an important issue to many commodities. Although there 
            is some improvement, exporting commodities is still an 
            issue. We don't need promises here we need direct action 
            that solves the problem.

    Thank you for allowing me to speak to you today
                                 ______
                                 
Submitted Article by Geoffrey Vanden Heuvel, Director of Regulatory and 
                Economic Affairs, Milk Producers Council


[https://www.milkproducerscouncil.org/post/mpc-provides-testimony-on-
dairy-safety-net-programs-federal-milk-marketing-orders-at-farm-bill-
list]
MPC Provides Testimony on Dairy Safety Net Programs, Federal Milk 
        Marketing Orders at Farm Bill List
Geoff Vanden Heuvel, Director of Regulatory and Economic Affairs


    Yesterday, Representative Jim Costa (D-16) hosted a listening 
session entitled ``A 2022 Review of the Farm Bill: Perspectives from 
the Field'' at California State University, Fresno. I provided 
testimony at the session, which was designed to gather input from 
farmers, agricultural businesses and consumers as lawmakers prepare to 
draft a new farm bill.
    Below are my prepared remarks submitted to the Committee. You can 
also watch my remarks here.\1\
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    \1\ https://youtu.be/_Jrqtv4W-Xc?t=4170.
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U.S. House Agriculture Committee Listening Session
July 7, 2022, Fresno, CA
Remarks of Geoff Vanden Heuvel, Director of Regulatory and Economic 
        Affairs, Milk Producers Council
    Chairman Costa and Members of the Committee.

    Thank you for the opportunity to participate in this farm bill 
listening session. My name is Geoff Vanden Heuvel. I am the Director of 
Regulatory and Economic Affairs for Milk Producers Council, a 
California dairy farmer trade association founded in 1949. Prior to 
taking this position I was an active dairy farmer in Southern 
California for 39 years.
    Given the limited time available I want to focus on two things in 
particular that are relevant to the upcoming farm bill discussions.
Safety Net Programs
    The Dairy Margin Coverage (DMC) program is a very good safety net 
tool but the vast majority of the benefit of the program is 
concentrated on the first 5 million pounds of milk a dairy farmer 
produces annually. 5 million pounds is about what 250 cows produce 
annually. Dairy farms in California are much larger than that on 
average, and so while they receive coverage for a small part of their 
production through this program, the DMC fails as a safety net for most 
California dairy farms. We understand the financial and political 
constraints of raising the benefit level significantly higher than the 
5 million pounds. We accept the DMC at 5 million pounds and oppose 
raising it any further.
    The Dairy Revenue Protection (DRP) program, a subsidized crop 
insurance program overseen by USDA-Risk Management Agency is a dairy 
safety net program that is not size discriminatory. I believe this 
program provides the best return for the government dollar in providing 
risk management for dairy producers. The program has been quite 
successful in its initial roll out. It is a crop insurance product 
where the premiums are set by an actuarial sound formula and the 
government subsidizes the premium with producers paying the majority of 
the costs. The subsidy level for 90% and 95% coverage is 44% of the 
premium is paid by the Risk Management Agency. Those premiums have 
become larger in the last 2 years and if additional funds could be 
found, increasing the premium subsidy by 5-10% would likely increase 
dairy farmer participation in the DRP. Assuming our goal was to get 70% 
of U.S. production covered in the DRP, it would cost about $154 million 
to increase the premium subsidy by 10 per cwt. of covered milk. See 
Note #1.
Federal Milk Marketing Orders
    I am a huge supporter of the Federal Milk Marking Order program 
(FMMO). Dairy farmers need to sell their milk every day to a buyer that 
does not have to buy it every day. This fundamental imbalance in market 
power means there needs to be a referee. We are very appreciative of 
Congressman Costa's vital assistance in facilitating the adoption of an 
FMMO in California. This has made a meaningful difference in California 
producer income. See Note #2. 


    The FMMO system has been around for over 80 years. In my view it is 
one of the most successful government market regulatory programs in our 
country. It has allowed the dairy industry to innovate and grow. Over 
the decades, many regions have been able to exploit comparative 
advantages to build their dairy industries. The main reason for the 
success of the FMMO program is that it does not pick winners and 
losers. It does not dictate milk prices; it discovers the value of milk 
from prices established in the free market and then converts those 
prices into a pricing structure that is used for pricing producer milk. 
And just as important, for all uses of milk, except Class I beverage 
milk, the enforcement of those milk prices is voluntary. As the dairy 
industry continues to grow, which is a sign of health of the industry, 
it is true that the percentage of milk formally covered by the Federal 
Orders is decreasing, but this is not a sign of failure. In fact, the 
prices established by the FMMO for the various classes of milk are 
vital benchmarks used by the industry to establish contracts and 
pricing relationships between producers and processors even for milk 
that is not regulated by the FMMO.
    The FMMO system is probably due for a little updating, but not 
reforming. The basic structure of pricing milk based on its ultimate 
usage is still a valid concept. Class I beverage milk, which is 
formally regulated by the FMMO system, while declining in market share, 
is still a huge usage of milk in America. The Class I formula would 
benefit from some thoughtful examination by USDA and the industry. The 
formal USDA hearing process is the best place for that to occur. As for 
the other classes of milk, the longstanding USDA policy of having a 
single national price surface for milk used in manufactured products is 
very important. We have a national and international market for 
manufactured dairy products and the government should not put 
themselves in a position of picking winners and losers in the regional 
competition for market share.
    There is a need for better data so that USDA can carry out their 
function of updating the pricing formulas. Currently USDA does not have 
the legal authority to mandate access to manufacturing cost data. The 
manufacturing cost studies that USDA has commissioned lack credibility 
because participation is voluntary. We would support Congress giving 
USDA authority to access manufacturing plants cost data. And we would 
support providing funding for USDA to regularly conduct and update 
studies which would track the product yields and manufacturing costs 
from plants that participate in the mandatory dairy product price 
reporting program.
    The final point we want to emphasis is that while getting accurate 
data is critical, the purpose of that data is to inform policy, not 
dictate it. For over 80 years USDA has had the job of balancing the 
interests of the producers, the processors, and the public. They do 
this through an open hearing process where all interested parties can 
participate. While the amount of time it takes to do a hearing can be 
frustrating, we have found through the decades that the results of this 
process are a regulatory program that is stable and accepted by the 
industry. That stability allows the industry participants to plan and 
the market to work.
    Thank you for the opportunity to participate in this important 
process.

Geoff Vanden [email protected]
Tulare, CA
Note #1
    Cost to increase Dairy Revenue Protection crop insurance premium 
subsidy by 10 per cwt.
    220 billion pounds of annual US milk production = 2.2 billion cwts.
    A 10 per cwt. increase in the premium subsidy on 70% of that 
volume = (2.2 billion  .70)  10 = $154,000,000
Effective Percentage of U.S. Milk Production Covered by Dairy Revenue 
        Protection by Quarter
        
        
          Chart ID: 56.
          Source: USDA RMA.
Note #2
    California became a Federal Milk Marketing Order as of November 1, 
2018.
    USDA has published the Mailbox Milk Price for individual states and 
a composite All FMMO monthly number for many years.
    The California Mailbox price for the 40 months since November 2018 
averages $17.93
    The average All FMMO Mailbox price for that same time period is 
$17.99 a difference of 6 per cwt.
    The California Mailbox price for the 40 months preceding November 
2018 averaged $15.41
    The average All FMMO Mailbox price for the 40 months preceding the 
start of the CA FMMO is $16.48 a difference of $1.07 per cwt.
    Conclusion: The CA FMMO increased mailbox prices for California 
producers by an average of $1 per cwt.
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 Submitted Statement by Richard Matoian, President, American Pistachio 
                                Growers
    The American Pistachio Growers (APG) is pleased to have the 
opportunity to submit our views for the 2023 Farm Bill. Since the 
enactment of the 2018 Farm Bill, the U.S. pistachio industry has 
significantly increased production, sales and capital investment, and 
we expect this trend to continue through the life of the next farm 
bill. The new farm bill is of great interest to the U.S. pistachio 
industry, and we look forward to working with you, Chairman Costa and 
your colleagues on the House Agriculture Committee, as you draft this 5 
year legislation that impacts every sector of the U.S. agriculture 
industry.
    Since 1977, the U.S. pistachio industry has moved from producing 1 
million pounds of pistachios to a high of 1 billion [] pounds in 2021. 
A recent Rabobank analysis of the U.S. pistachio industry reports that 
pistachio farm-gate value has grown six-fold over the past fifteen 
years. At the end of this decade, we expect to harvest a 2 billion 
pound crop. In 2000, there were approximately 96,308 pistachio acres; 
today there are 406,766 bearing acres with 111,128 non-bearing acres 
that will soon come into production. Our current production is in 
California, Arizona, and New Mexico.
    APG is a grower and processor trade association representing the 
interests of the U.S. pistachio industry. We are governed by a 
democratically elected board, comprised of 18 members. The mission of 
our organization includes nutrition and health research, food safety, 
marketing (both domestic and international), and government relations.
    Today we want to share with you our industry's thoughts on general 
issues our industry experiences and some of the specialty crop programs 
in the existing farm bill.
Water/Drought
    The drought situation in California, [Arizona] and New Mexico where 
pistachios are being grown is catastrophic. We recognize the lack of 
rain and snow melt is the root cause of the drought but we urge your 
Committee to consider new programs that USDA could implement.
Pest and Disease Pressure
    A significant [] pest facing the California tree nut industry 
(almonds, pistachios and walnuts) is the navel orangeworm. This 
devastating pest causes losses from harvest and all the way to the 
domestic and export markets. The navel orangeworm feeds on immature 
nuts and the pest damage directly leads to aflatoxin and other 
mycotoxin contamination and grade standard problems. With increased 
navel orangeworm damage, our pistachio industry knows that aflatoxin 
contamination increases, which leads to increased rejections at our 
global export markets' borders. Aflatoxin is highly regulated across 
the world, and our industry employs all tools available to combat this 
contamination. Our tree nut industry has partnered with USDA to 
establish a pilot program to suppress and hopefully eradicate the navel 
orangeworm; we hope this pilot program is, additionally, an avenue to 
reduce pesticide use in pistachios. The NOW pilot program and 
subsequent ARS research is a high-priority for our industry.
    With climate change, we believe pest and disease pressures will 
rise along with temperature. For example, we are seeing the navel 
orangeworm move into areas where previously the pest was not a concern. 
We encourage the House Committee on Agriculture to increase research 
directives and funding for specialty crop industries as they battle 
increased temperatures, pests and disease.
Trade
    When the Uruguay Round was implemented, we believed non-tariff 
barriers would be removed. Unfortunately, certain countries are 
interpreting the Sanitary and Phytosanitary (SPS) rule incorrectly 
resulting in impediments to our pistachio exports. Trade rules are 
administered government to government, and we have to depend on USDA 
and USTR to represent our distributors. Routinely, pistachios, other 
specialty crops and crops from other countries exporting to Europe are 
experiencing SPS barriers. It seems every month the EC announces a new 
regulation that makes exports more difficult and forces changes in 
production practices in California.
    We are pleased with the cooperation we have received from USDA and 
USTR, and we urge your Committee to adequately staff and fund the 
offices responsible for removing these unfair trade barriers. You and 
your staff are to be congratulated for working with USDA and USTR and 
bringing the WTO compliance problem to the attention of your friends in 
Europe.
Market Access Program
    The Market Access Program (MAP) has proven to be a very helpful 
resource to our industry. We found it difficult to break into many 
Iran-dominated markets like Europe because of the direct trade 
competition, but the MAP, plus APG dollars, assisted in promoting and 
marketing generic pistachios throughout Europe. MAP funds also assist 
in competing against Iranian pistachios in Asia, particularly in China. 
China is now our number one export market, followed closely by the 
European Union.
    We understand the budgetary limitations of the Congress, but we see 
this program as an important tool in achieving our nation's policy to 
increase exports. A decade ago, the Administration's trade objective 
was to see U.S. agriculture exports increase by 50 percent over 5 
years. I'm proud to report our pistachio exports increased during the 
last 10 years by 97.5 percent.
    We appreciate the reorganization of the farm bill trade programs in 
the 2018 Farm Bill and recommend that the MAP program emphasize generic 
promotion. We recommend also that the funding be increased to $400 
million since the current level has been $200 million for decades. 
Inflation and rising input costs take considerable bites out of the 
available program funds.
Foreign Market Development Cooperator Program
    The Foreign Market Development Program (FMD) aids the U.S. 
agriculture industry in creating, promoting and expanding long-term 
export markets. We encourage the House Committee on Agriculture to 
continue to support this program, which is essential to specialty crop 
businesses. The FMD program is vastly different than MAP, and therefore 
we also encourage the Committee to keep these programs intact and 
separate.
Technical Assistance for Specialty Crops
    The U.S. pistachio industry has encountered various trade barriers 
to our exports. Our pistachio industry has been able to use Technical 
Assistance for Specialty Crops (TASC) for problems encountered. We have 
worked diligently throughout the years to eliminate export trade 
barriers, and TASC has proven to be helpful in defraying many of the 
costs that amass when dealing with these issues. The annual National 
Trade Estimate report provides an insight on foreign governments trade 
barriers. We emphasize the word ``government'' because this is a 
government-to-government issue to be resolved with assistance by the 
impacted crop industry. We encourage the continued support by the House 
Committee on Agriculture of this very important program for the 
specialty crop industry.
Emerging Markets Program
    In the last decade, developing countries, especially India, have 
emerged to offer new trade opportunities for pistachios. In India there 
is a strong and growing middle-income consumer class that has the 
ability to purchase our products. These consumers are health-conscious 
buyers prepared to purchase quality U.S. products. Additionally, export 
credit and insurance programs are a necessity if specialty crops are to 
participate and benefit from the relatively new WTO trade rules. We 
greatly appreciate the Administration's renewed efforts in removing 
foreign sanitary and phytosanitary barriers, but if small- and medium-
size exporters are to benefit, new export programs are and will be 
necessary.
Sanitary & Phytosanitary and Quality Export Insurance Program Study
    The fruit, vegetable and tree nut industry exported in excess of 
$11 billion in 2021. For most exports, the shipments are delivered to 
the foreign buyer without any problem. Occasionally, a container is 
prevented from entering the foreign country because of an alleged 
Sanitary or Phytosanitary issue or quality problem, despite being 
cleared for export by the various U.S. Government inspections. If the 
container is prevented from entering the country, this can amount to a 
serious financial problem. (The current supply chain problem is 
contributing to product rejections.) A destroyed container could 
bankrupt a business, and since the Federal Government is encouraging 
small- and medium-sized businesses to export, these businesses need an 
insurance program. We envision a study that would determine the extent 
of SPS or quality problems, and creation of a self-funding export 
insurance program and its premium.
Tree Assistance Program
    In 2017 U.S. pistachio growers experienced a natural disaster when 
some 30,000 acres of pistachio trees were removed because of an unknown 
disease. Many of the growers who lost their pistachio acreage were 
small farmers. The farm bill's Tree Assistance Program provided 
assistance to small pistachio growers who could not have recovered 
their losses without the program. We urge Congress to continue the 
program.
Section 32 Bonus Buy Purchases
    The Section 32 Bonus Buy program purchase of fruits, vegetables and 
tree nuts helps our schools, food banks hospitals and growers and we 
urge the expansion of the program.
Specialty Crop Research Initiative
    The Specialty Crop Research Initiative (SCRI) is paramount for the 
pistachio industry. Increasingly specialty crops are experiencing 
increased pest and disease problems because of international trade and 
climate change. The California tree nut industry is losing 
approximately $800 million each year because of the navel orangeworm 
pest; pistachio growers incur an expense of $500 per acre for navel 
orangeworm prevention. This pest is not only a cost to the pistachio 
industry but also a loss of Federal and state tax revenue. We recommend 
an increase in SCRI funding authorization and appropriation; we also 
encourage the Committee to include the SCRI matching funds waiver in 
the 2023 Farm Bill. This waiver is needed for those specialty crop 
industry members of whom a matching fund requirement is not attainable.
Plant Pest and Disease Management and Disaster Prevention Program 
        (Plant Protection Act Section 7721)
    The U.S. pistachio industry, along with other California tree nut 
industries, combats the navel orangeworm, which causes loss of product, 
sales and consumer confidence. The navel orangeworm damage is directly 
linked to aflatoxin and other mycotoxin contamination. The U.S. 
pistachio industry and other California tree nut industries worked with 
APHIS and ARS to secure a PPA Section 7721 grant to research the 
effectiveness of a sterile insect release pilot program within APHIS. 
The APHIS Sterile insect release pilot program endeavors to suppress or 
eradicate the navel orangeworm in the same manner as the pink bollworm 
in cotton. The PPA Section 7721 program and funds are an important tool 
for the specialty crop industry, and we encourage the continuation of 
this program as it is currently written. We encourage the House 
Committee on Agriculture to increase the funding of this program.
Conclusion
    In conclusion, we strongly encourage the continuation of these 
programs through the 2023 Farm Bill. Pistachios represent a significant 
part of the U.S. specialty crop industry, and our challenges are vastly 
different than those of program crops. Fruit, vegetable and tree nut 
producers work without the same safety net of program crops, and yet 
our competition continues to increase annually both in the U.S. and 
foreign markets, with more imports reaching U.S. shores.
    We thank you for this opportunity to present our thoughts on farm 
bill programs, and we look forward to working with you further as this 
process moves toward completion.
                                 ______
                                 
 Submitted Statement by Jim Grant, Director, Social Justice Ministry, 
  Diocese of Fresno, Fresno, CA; on behalf of Catholic Relief Services
    Thank you, Congressman Costa for this opportunity to continue 
conversing about the farm bill reauthorization work you and your 
office, as Chairman of the Livestock and Foreign Agriculture 
Subcommittee, are doing. I would like to thank you specifically for 
holding an oversight hearing on the international food assistance 
programs this spring and for championing programs like Food for Peace.
    As a Catholic following Pope Francis' call to hear and respond to 
the Cry of the Earth and the Cry of the Poor, I speak today for 
Catholic Relief Services, a global ministry serving over 130 million 
persons in 100 countries. As we speak, today 13,000 people will starve 
to death, while 9.9% of the world's population, about 811 million 
people, will remain alive, but undernourished.
    We continue to see global hunger levels rise. The conflict in 
Ukraine, along with the lingering impacts of COVID-19, and other crises 
like in the Horn of Africa drought mean that millions of people are not 
only going to bed hungry every night, but they are now at risk of dying 
from lack of access to food. During this time of unprecedented and dire 
food insecurity in the world, it is critically important to reauthorize 
and expand the flexibility and efficiency of lifesaving international 
programs authorized in the 2023 Farm Bill given they work towards 
ending hunger for the people most marginalized and vulnerable.
    I'd like to focus on addressing hunger globally in the farm bill in 
two ways:

    First, I'd like to continue to champion support to reauthorize four 
existing international programs in the 2023 Farm Bill. This would 
include:

   First: Title II Food for Peace, including the ability to use 
        the Community Development Fund for non-emergency Title II 
        programs.

     This program supports emergency food assistance and 
            non-emergency programs to help communities recover and 
            build resilience to face the impacts of the crisis.

   Second: McGovern-Dole Food for Education.

     This program provides school lunches to children 
            around the world. For many children, as you know, it is the 
            only meal they will get in the day.

   Third: Food for Progress.

     This program helps strengthen value chains for 
            vanilla, chocolate, and coffee in other countries.

   And finally, Farmer-to-Farmer.

     This program leverages the agriculture knowledge here 
            in the U.S. by connecting expert volunteers with U.S.-
            funded programs around the world.

    The second way to address hunger globally is to expand the 
flexibility and efficiency of international programs in the 2023 Farm 
Bill, specifically with Food for Peace Title II and the McGovern-Dole 
Food for Education program.

   Catholic Relief Services, USAID, USDA and others offered 
        their suggestions in the April hearing, and I hope that you 
        continue to work with these agencies to find smart solutions 
        that will help us fight hunger around the world, and I am happy 
        to continue to share more information on these areas.

    Thank you again for your time and the work you continue to do to 
prevent and end hunger here at home and around the world.

    I also have a summary of improvements here, in case you want these 
in the back pocket (i.e., if there are questions or additional 
clarification), but the Government Relations team felt best to 
structure the 3 minutes most specifically around the points above.

   Related to Food for Peace Title II programs, it would be 
        important to increase the cost efficiency and ability to 
        respond to the different needs of communities participating in 
        Food for Peace Title II programs and allow for increased 
        sustainability activities and interventions. This includes a 
        request for full flexibility of funding for Title II non-
        emergency resources.

    In terms of the McGovern-Dole Food for Education program, a key 
improvement would be expanding Local and Regional Procurement 
activities to enhance sustainability.

   This improvement is needed in Food for Peace Title II 
        because:

     USAID does not have enough flexibility within the 
            Title II funding to allow its programs to be tailored to 
            the needs of each individual community. Current budget 
            category constraints required for Title II funding make it 
            difficult for USAID to cover the costs of quality program 
            design and increasingly expensive emergency logistics needs 
            at the same time as the non-emergency programs. The 
            availability of the Community Development Fund, which is 
            fully flexible, can help relieve some of these issues in 
            the non-emergency programs, but there are not enough of 
            these funds to address all the issues. Ideally, funding 
            would be available for multi-sector support activities such 
            as creating savings groups, helping farmers improve 
            resource management, or working with new moms on nutrition 
            for themselves and their baby.

   This improvement is needed in Food for Peace Title II 
        because:

     Since Fiscal Year 2020, McGovern-Dole has been 
            combined with Local and Regional Procurement (LRP) to allow 
            McGovern-Dole programs to source food locally thereby 
            supporting sustainable connections with local agricultural 
            producers and markets within and around communities and 
            enhancing the dietary diversity of school meals by 
            including local produce. Local and regional procurement 
            activities are important to ensure there is an increase in 
            nutritious food available to students (like eggs, fruit, or 
            leafy greens). These activities also help local schools and 
            farms create the lasting ties needed to successfully budget 
            for food grown to meet a school's needs over the course of 
            a school year. Following a change in the 2018 Farm Bill, it 
            has been easier to purchase food locally and regionally. 
            However, it has become more difficult to prioritize the 
            activities that support the farmers with growing and the 
            schools with learning to run the program. I'd like to 
            encourage Congress and USDA to find a way to separately 
            support these other activities without taking away from the 
            current nutrition and education successes the program is 
            achieving.

    Thank You for your incredible support and for being a steadfast 
partner with CRS!
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     Submitted Policy Brief by Tim Borden, Sequoia Restoration and 
   Stewardship Manager, Save the Redwoods League; on behalf of Giant 
                        Sequoia Lands Coalition
Save The Giant Sequoias:Emergency Actions for 2022-23


          Cover: A prescribed fire is conducted in Yosemite National 
        Park's Mariposa Grove to reduce the buildup of vegetation that 
        could fuel severe wildfires. Prescribed fires are one of the 
        priority methods for reducing fuels to save giant sequoias.
          Photo by Kristen Shive, National Park Service.

          For more than 100 years, state and Federal policies have been 
        to extinguish almost every Sierra Nevada fire as soon as it 
        ignites; fire suppression and historic land management 
        practices have resulted in unnaturally high numbers of trees in 
        giant sequoia groves. Combined with longer fire seasons driven 
        by drought and climate change, the dense forests create a 
        tinderbox in our groves.
        
        
          Wildfire at Black Mountain Grove in Giant Sequoia National 
        Monument has killed 50 mature giant sequoias. To reach into the 
        trees crowns, fire likely took advantage of unnaturally high 
        fuel loads resulting from decades of fire suppression. Unlike 
        its coast redwood cousins that can resprout from living roots, 
        when a 2,000 year old giant sequoia dies, it is gone forever.
          Photo by Linnea Hardlund.
Severe Wildfire Has Killed 20% of Giant Sequoias, World's Largest Tree 
        Species
An unprecedented challenge
    An estimated 20% of all the mature giant sequoias in the world have 
been lost since 2015, when wildfire magnitude and severity sharply 
increased in California's Sierra Nevada. Many of these trees were more 
than 1,000-3,000 years old. As wildfires in the West have reached 
unparalleled severity, they pose an existential threat to giant 
sequoias, some of our most iconic national treasures. Having thrived 
through countless fires over millennia, thousands of these trees have 
perished in today's climate-driven fires. Thankfully, elected officials 
and policymakers can protect the remaining giant sequoias with 
immediate policy and legislative action. Save the Redwoods League, our 
partners, and other giant sequoia land managers must treat 2,000 acres 
in the most at-risk groves before the 2023 fire season.
Tinderbox in the groves
    Incredibly large and majestically tall, the breathtaking giant 
sequoias grow naturally only within a narrow range in the Sierra Nevada 
extending from Placer County Big Trees Grove in the north to Deer Creek 
Grove in the south. These groves have a rightful place alongside our 
country's greatest natural wonders such as the Grand Canyon and 
Yellowstone National Park.
    Today, most ancient giant sequoias live in Giant Sequoia National 
Monument and Sequoia & Kings Canyon National Parks, with nearly 80% of 
the naturally occurring sequoia range in these two parks. Almost all 
the roughly 78 naturally occurring groves are managed by ten state, 
Federal, and county agencies and the Tule River Tribe. Most recently, 
Save the Redwoods League secured the protection of the Alder Creek and 
Red Hill properties, the largest remaining private giant sequoia 
forests.
    Between natural fires and Indigenous cultural fires across 
millennia, giant sequoias evolved to thrive with low- to moderate-
intensity fires occurring every 8-15 years. The protective bark of a 
mature tree can be up to 2 thick, and fire helps their cones open and 
release seeds, fostering reproduction. However, for over 100 years, 
state and Federal policies have been to extinguish almost every Sierra 
Nevada fire as soon as it ignites; this suppression and historic land 
management practices have combined to create unnaturally high densities 
of understory and midstory trees in giant sequoia groves.

          Old-growth giant sequoias need our help if they are to 
        survive.

    Combined with the drier conditions and longer fire seasons 
associated with drought and climate change, the result is a tinderbox 
in our groves. Severe fire entering these dense groves burns up through 
the younger trees and into the canopies of mature sequoias, killing 
them. Unlike its coast redwood cousins that can resprout from living 
roots, when a 2,000 year old giant sequoia dies, it is gone forever.
    In 2020, the Castle fire killed 10-14% of all mature giant 
sequoias. The following year, the KNP Complex fire and Windy Fire 
killed another 3-5% of these magnificent trees. That's an estimated 
total of 19% of all giant sequoias killed in only 14 months.
    Scientists and park officials predict more catastrophic fires in 
the years ahead. Old-growth giant sequoias need our help if they are to 
survive. Organizations that steward giant sequoias must proactively 
manage all giant sequoia groves at a landscape level, but for the next 
few years they must focus efforts on the groves at greatest risk.
Giant Sequoia Groves At Highest Risk from Wildfire


          These groves have not burned from wildfire since 2015 so are 
        expected to have the highest fuel loads and therefore need 
        priority treatment.
          Map produced by Save the Redwoods League. Map 2022 using ESRI 
        software.
          The most at-risk giant sequoia groves that urgently need 
        treatment before the 2023 fire season, according to an initial 
        League analysis of groves that haven't burned since 2015. 
        Ongoing research will likely change this map slightly. All the 
        groves will need treatment in the next 5 years.
Goal: Treat 2,000 Acres in the Most At-Risk Groves Before the 2023 
        Wildfire Season
Saving the sequoias
    The priority now must be to reduce the unnatural buildup of 
vegetation in the groves using the following methods:

   Removal by hand crews or using machinery, with subsequent 
        safe burning of vegetation piles.

   Prescribed burning--carefully planned and executed fires 
        managed by experts.

    State and Federal agencies, as well as Tribes, have conducted this 
type of management for years, but not nearly at the necessary scale. 
Where it has been used, it has worked spectacularly.
    As fire ravaged other sequoia groves in 2021, the beloved Giant 
Forest in Sequoia National Park and Trail of 100 Giants in Giant 
Sequoia National Monument survived with little damage to the trees 
because of fuels management and prescribed burning.
Funding
    It is estimated that fighting wildfire costs more than 30 times as 
much as preventative land care and prescribed burning. The estimated 
cost to fight the 2020 SQF Complex (Shotgun and Castle) fire is $144 
million alone.
    These are the funding steps needed to save giant sequoias:

  1.  Appropriate $500 million over 5 years to treat at least 60,000 
            acres of the most vulnerable giant sequoia groves and 
            provide treated buffer zones around them.

  2.  Allocate funds from the Federal Infrastructure Investment and 
            Jobs Act for reducing wildfire risk in the wildland-urban 
            interface and for ecosystem restoration targeting grove 
            treatments in appropriate areas.

  3.  Allocate funding toward reforestation of fire-damaged groves to 
            avoid type conversion to shrubland.

  4.  Support the California Blueprint, which proposes $2.7 billion 
            over several years to bolster ``critical wildfire 
            resilience programs to increase the pace and scale of 
            forest health activities and decrease fire risk,'' and 
            target some of this funding specifically for giant sequoia 
            grove resilience treatments.
All hands on deck
    As a society, we simply cannot allow the loss of 5-15% of giant 
sequoias every year. At that rate, the natural range of these 
spectacular giants will be gone in our lifetime. This emergency calls 
for a united response.

          To prevent the loss of the world's spectacular remaining 
        giant sequoias, we urge giant sequoia land managers, elected 
        officials, and policymakers to take action on funding, 
        personnel, policy changes, and fuels reduction now.
        
        
          Crews reduce fuels at a property next to Calaveras Big Trees 
        State Park.
          Photo by Save the Redwoods League.
Personnel and resources
    Treating so many groves in such a short time will require a huge 
number of personnel and a high degree of coordination. Crews must be 
ready to deploy when those conditions are favorable. Lining up these 
resources requires the following:

  1.  Living wages for the Federal workforce.

  2.  Full time, year-round Federal fire and restoration crews. Build a 
            pipeline of employees and train this workforce.

  3.  Funding to develop and support the Tribal workforce.

  4.  Support for nonprofits and private entities to engage in forest 
            restoration efforts.
Policy and permitting
    To save the giant sequoias, a consensus on policies and permitting 
is needed among giant sequoia land management agencies. Agreement is 
also needed on the following actions for useful application of 
permitting processes to ensure that work can be completed in time:

   Expedite projects by supporting designation of an Emergency 
        Action as defined in the Federal Infrastructure and Jobs Act 
        that allows USDA Forest Service projects to move quickly by 
        expediting environmental review under the National 
        Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) and other statutes. Employ 
        Categorical Exclusion designations (for compliance with NEPA) 
        and programmatic Biological Assessments (for Endangered Species 
        Act compliance), where appropriate for groves on Federal lands 
        to speed up administrative approvals.

   Return stewardship roles to Tribes, which have managed land 
        for thousands of years.

   Promote Prescribed Burn Associations, which help private 
        landowners obtain skilled crews to conduct burning on their 
        lands. Enhance the flexibility for existing contractors to 
        conduct prescribed burn activities.

   Approve wider burn windows and more flexibility from the 
        California Air Resources Board and local air districts so that 
        more prescribed burns are allowed when conditions are safe.
A future for the giant sequoias
    The protection of California's giant sequoias is at the heart of 
the American conservation movement. During the Civil War, President 
Abraham Lincoln signed The Yosemite Valley Grant Act, transferring 
Federal lands in Yosemite Valley and nearby Mariposa Big Tree Grove to 
the State of California, ``upon the express condition that the premises 
shall be held for public use, resort, and recreation, and shall be 
inalienable for all time.''
    Amidst the challenges of his time, Lincoln took action to secure 
the giant sequoias for future generations. That same opportunity is in 
the hands of giant sequoia land managers, elected officials, and 
policymakers right now.


          Yosemite National Park and its Mariposa Grove of Giant 
        Sequoias were protected for future generations by President 
        Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War. Today, giant sequoia land 
        managers, elected officials, and policymakers have the chance 
        to protect the world's remaining giant sequoias in their native 
        range.
          Photo by Aflo Co. Ltd./Alamy Stock Photo.
        
        
          A crew conducts prescribed burning in 2019 to reduce fuels 
        next to Calaveras Big Trees State Park. Treating the most 
        vulnerable giant sequoia groves before the 2023 wildfire season 
        will require a huge number of personnel.
          Photo by Anthony Castanos.

          The survival of old-growth giant sequoias depends on help 
        from giant sequoia land managers, elected officials, and 
        policymakers now.
        
        
          Giant sequoias face down a 2020 wildfire in California's 
        Sierra Nevada. Since 2015, severe wildfire in these mountains 
        has killed 20% of all the world's mature giant sequoias.
          Photo by Max Forster, @maxforsterphotography.
Save the Redwoods League
          Save the Redwoods League is one of the nation's longest-
        running conservation organizations, and it has been protecting 
        and restoring redwood forests since 1918. The League has 
        connected generations of visitors with the beauty and serenity 
        of the redwood forests. The nonprofit's 29,000 members have 
        enabled the organization to protect more than 216,000 acres of 
        irreplaceable forests in 66 state, national, and local parks 
        and reserves. For information, please visit 
        SaveTheRedwoods.org.
        
        
Garrison Frost,
Director of Communications
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111 Sutter Street
11th Floor
San Francisco CA 94104
[email protected]
415-820-5837
SaveTheRedwoods.org


 
                     A 2022 REVIEW OF THE FARM BILL

                     (PERSPECTIVES FROM THE FIELD)

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                         FRIDAY, JULY 22, 2022

                  House of Representatives,
                                  Committee on Agriculture,
                                                     Carnation, WA.
    The Committee met at 10:00 a.m., P.D.T., at Remlinger 
Farms, 32610 N.E. 32nd Street, Carnation, WA, Hon. Stacy E. 
Plaskett presiding.
    Members present: Representatives Plaskett and Schrier.
    Staff present: Malikha Daniels, Lyron Blum-Evitts, Detrick 
Manning, and Carlton Bridgeforth.

  OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. STACEY E. PLASKETT, A DELEGATE IN 
                  CONGRESS FROM VIRGIN ISLANDS

    Ms. Plaskett. Good morning, everyone. Let me stand up. Good 
morning, everyone. Good morning. Thank you, guys, for coming 
out here this morning. I'm going to sit down. I'm hoping you 
all can still see me as I am seated.
    I want to thank you for joining us today. It's great to be 
here in Washington State. This is my first visit. I'm an East 
Coast girl. So, I'm thoroughly, thoroughly impressed with the 
beauty and the warm welcome that I've received thus far from 
the people of Washington.
    On behalf of the House Agriculture Committee and our 
Chairman, David Scott of Georgia, I'm very pleased to be here 
to chair this official Committee listening session entitled, A 
2022 Review of the Farm Bill: Perspectives from the Field. I 
want to thank my good friend and colleague, Congresswoman Kim 
Schrier for hosting this event.
    So, the purpose of this hearing is to hear from you about 
what is and what is not working in the farm bill, the 2018 Farm 
Bill, as we're preparing ourselves to begin drafting the next 
farm bill and to guide and inform the Agriculture Committee on 
the policy discussions in our next reauthorization policy.
    As you can see, we have two microphones set up in the room, 
and when we're ready, I'll call upon the audience members, four 
at a time, to line up behind those microphones to speak.
    I want to also recognize a couple of people in the audience 
and thank them so much for being here. Derek Sandison, Director 
of Washington State Department of Agriculture, George--yes. We 
can--George Geissler, Washington Department of Natural 
Resources State Forestry, Roylene Comes At Night, Washington's 
Deputy Equal Opportunity Officer for USDA, and Ben Thiel, USDA 
Risk Management Agency, Spokane Regional Director.
    So, if you would like to speak and did not pick up a note 
card, one of these note cards on the way in, the staff that's 
here, the Agriculture Committee staff can provide you with one. 
Please complete your note card and hand it back to the staff 
member as soon as possible. This will place you in the queue to 
offer public comment. And know that the public comments will be 
part of the official transcript and the official record as 
well.
    The information from the listening session will become part 
of the record to prepare for the new farm bill, and as such, we 
will require your name, contact information, and whether you're 
speaking to your experiences or on behalf of an organization.
    For everyone's awareness, the listening session is live 
streamed to the Agriculture Committee's YouTube channel and 
will be available for viewing later. We have enough time to 
keep this going until 12.00 p.m., until lunch time, which 
should allow for some great conversation and not to become 
``hangry''.
    In order to hear from as many people as possible, please 
keep your comments to two minutes. That way everybody can get a 
chance to speak. We will have a timer running and a staffer 
holding up a sign that says, ``Time is up,'' if you go over 
your 2 minutes. While we will be flexible, as flexible as 
possible, we really want to hear everyone's comments.
    Before we turn it over to you, myself and the Congresswoman 
will take a moment for brief opening remarks. So, let me begin, 
and then, of course, we're going to let your Congresswoman be 
the last voice you hear before we begin.
    As I said, my name is Stacey Plaskett, and I represent the 
Virgin Islands in Congress, and I'm the Chair of the 
Biotechnology, Horticulture, and Research Subcommittee. The 
U.S. Virgin Islands is a small district, and it's located in a 
tropical climate.
    Our local farmers produce various crops, which include many 
tropical crop varieties. So, I appreciate the opportunity to 
see completely different climate and farming operations here in 
the Pacific Northwest. We have a markedly different crop 
production and other types of agriculture.
    While the Biotechnology, Horticulture, and Research 
Subcommittee is responsible for specialty crops, apiculture, 
organic agriculture, pest management, research, education, U.S. 
cooperative extension, and biotechnology, during this listening 
session, we want input on all titles of the farm bill, so not 
just those that are related to our Subcommittee--my 
Subcommittee.
    I know we will have stakeholders with interest in programs 
ranging from nutrition to conservation, rural development, crop 
insurance, dairy, specialty crops. We want to hear it all. 
Thank you for taking the time to be with us today during the 
third in a series of listening sessions.
    I just want you all to know that the high esteem with which 
Members hold your Congresswoman, Kim Schrier, and her voice has 
really been strong on the Agriculture Committee. She makes it a 
point to speak and ask questions that are related to the issues 
that are important to this district, what you all are 
experiencing, how we can be helpful.
    And many Members want the Agriculture Committee to come to 
their districts, but we think that this is really important. 
Kim's voice has been really strong that we need to come out 
here and provide some support and input from you all. And 
that's why we're here today. So, thank you, Congresswoman 
Schrier, and let's hear what you have to say about your 
district and the people here and what we can expect.

  OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. KIM SCHRIER, A REPRESENTATIVE IN 
                    CONGRESS FROM WASHINGTON

    Ms. Schier. Okay. Here's your little taste of Congress. 
Thank you, Madam Chair.
    Good morning, everyone, and welcome. It is so nice to see 
so many friends here today from all over the state. I am so 
delighted that you all made the trek because this is your 
opportunity to speak directly with the House Committee on 
Agriculture about what you would like to see in the 2023 Farm 
Bill.
    I am excited that you get to meet our Subcommittee Chair, 
Representative Plaskett, who, as you just heard, comes from the 
Virgin Islands. Couldn't be more different. Yes. Welcome.
    Joining us today, as you heard, are leaders in Washington, 
including Washington State Department of Agriculture Director 
Derek Sandison. Thank you for being here. Farmers, ranchers, 
dairy farmers, those who protect and manage our wild lands, 
including foresters, rangers, and forest landowners, 
conservation district experts, people who manage farmers' 
markets, food banks, fight hunger, and more.
    I think I've spoken already this morning with 
representatives from every one of those groups, and I'm very 
excited that you, Madam Chair, will get to hear about their 
experiences and what they need.
    The Pacific Northwest is a very unique region. I'm going to 
highlight, as you saw driving in here, our abundant forests but 
also that Washington grows more than 300 crops and mostly 
specialty crops. We also, just on the other side of the 
Cascades, have the most prized hay in the world, Timothy Hay. 
And also, on the other side of the Cascades, we boast the apple 
capital of the world and I would say also the cherry capital of 
the world.
    The farm bill is a huge undertaking. It's really all-
encompassing, agricultural research, trade, foreign market 
access, crop insurance, other programs to limit risk, forestry 
and conservation programs, rural development, housing, rural 
broadband, FSA and extension programs to support farmers, SNAP, 
and other nutrition programs.
    So, this is a tremendous opportunity for all of you to have 
your voices heard, to bring your comments to the table. And as 
the only Member of the Agriculture Committee from the Pacific 
Northwest, I want to welcome you, Chair Plaskett, to today's 
listening session.
    I hope everybody gets a chance to speak today. If you 
don't--and I'll be quiet in just a second here. If you don't, 
we have your papers, and we will get back to you and factor 
those comments in, as you already heard. So, welcome, and I 
yield to you, Madam Chair.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you. Thank you so much. I'm going to--
we've received some cards already, and so I figured I'll call 
people up four at a time for the cards that we have. Does that 
make sense? And then if there are any other additional 
comments, people can come after that.
    Ms. Schier. Can we just--how can we make sure that if 
questions pop up, do we have--can somebody from ag staff come 
to the front so that if somebody raises their hand, you can see 
them? Does that--does that work so you know how to how to get a 
card if you need one?
    Ms. Plaskett. Sure.
    Ms. Schier. Thank you. Excellent.
    Ms. Plaskett. Okay. So, Derek Sandison, Scot Hulbert, Mark 
Powers, and Jon DeVaney.
    Mr. Sandison. Good morning.
    Ms. Plaskett. Good morning.

    STATEMENT OF DEREK SANDISON, DIRECTOR, WASHINGTON STATE 
             DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE, OLYMPIA, WA

    Mr. Sandison. Well, thank you, Congressman Plaskett, for 
making the trip out here. It's a long way, I'm sure, but it is 
a beautiful part of the country, as I'm sure your Virgin 
Islands are as well.
    I want to also thank Congressman Schrier for making this 
possible. She's been so active in the agricultural world and 
everything agriculture since coming on board. And we're really 
appreciative of her work.
    We provided for you--I hope it's there, but kind of a 
little placard of--it kind of gives you a snapshot of 
Washington agriculture. We grow over 300 crops and commodities. 
We do that in about 37,000 farms. So, we have farms of all 
sizes, scale, down to very small few-acre farms to 2,000+ acre 
farms. So, it's, again, very--kind of a very diverse 
agricultural industry.
    Those 300 crops and commodities, as Congresswoman Schrier 
pointed out, many of them are specialty crops. And we're very 
appreciative of the work you're doing in the farm bill and 
making sure that some of the important titles are going to be 
either improved or otherwise modified to make sure that it's 
really serving U.S. agriculture and, selfishly, the farmers in 
our state; right?
    So, though we have, as you'll see, Washington State 
University, our important research land-grant university, we 
have industry reps, food bank representatives. We have hunger 
advocates, community members that are here to provide more 
detailed information than I will. I'm just doing the overview 
here.
    But certainly, we're a trade dependent state. The trade 
title Market Access Program's extremely important, conservation 
programs, [inaudible] in terms of providing wildlife habitat 
and protecting sensitive species. EQIP, more recently Public 
Law 83-566. We've got a major program in central Washington, 
Columbia Basin, in that that's receiving funding through that.
    Nutrition title, we learned in the pandemic that meant we 
really needed the nutrition title. But we know now more about 
the importance of SNAP as a foundational element and how we can 
better move food assistance from within our own local 
communities.
    Research, I mentioned WSU. We need to stay on the cutting 
edge, and with 300 crops and commodities, you need a WSU having 
your back.
    Horticulture, the Specialty Crop Block Grant program. I 
know Representative Schrier hosted an event up in Wenatchee 
last winter and there was an outpouring of support for that 
program from industry.
    So, again, that's just a--just--I'm just touching on some 
of the major issues. But really appreciate you being here and 
welcome to Washington and thank you for the opportunity.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you.
    Ms. Schier. Thank you.
    Dr. Hulbert. Just keep going?
    Ms. Plaskett. Yeah.

STATEMENT OF SCOT HULBERT, Ph.D., ASSOCIATE DEAN FOR RESEARCH, 
              COLLEGE OF AGRICULTURE, HUMAN, AND 
          NATURAL RESOURCE SCIENCES, WASHINGTON STATE 
          UNIVERSITY; INTERIM DIRECTOR, AGRICULTURAL 
           RESEARCH CENTER, CAHNRS, WSU, PULLMAN, WA

    Dr. Hulbert. Okay. I'd like to thank the Congresswoman for 
the opportunity to describe what some of Washington State 
University's priorities for the farm bill. I'm Scot Hulbert. 
I'm the Associate Dean for Research for the College of Ag, 
Human, and Natural Resource Sciences. So, I'm just representing 
the ag research at WSU.
    I'm just going to focus on two things today. One of them is 
Federal funding programs that WSU competes for ag research to 
support the ag in the state and our stakeholders, and the other 
one is the ag research infrastructure.
    The latter, I'm going to let Todd Murray cover that more. 
He's also here from WSU and he's one of the directors of our 
research and extension centers. We've also provided a letter 
concerning the ag infrastructure, and a lot of the stakeholders 
here are probably signatories on it.
    Ms. Plaskett. Are you guys saying it's good? It's bad? You 
need more? Less?
    Dr. Hulbert. We need ag infrastructure funding.
    Ms. Plaskett. Okay.
    Dr. Hulbert. Really, yeah. That's probably our biggest 
priority. We're kind of actually pretty fixated on it since the 
Build Back Better (Pub. L. 117-169) kind of gave us a taste of 
the possibility of getting infrastructure funding to repair our 
ag infrastructure. So, we've--with Representative Schrier can 
tell you we've been kind of fixated on it last--since then.
    But I'm going to talk about some of the Federal programs 
for funding that we rely on pretty heavily. Mostly, these are 
USDA NIFA program, National Institute of Food and Agriculture. 
It's competitive grants. WSU competes pretty well for this 
funding because our priorities are pretty well aligned with 
NIFA.
    Some of the grants that we have from NIFA now support 
development of new crop varieties that are adapted to our 
region, robotics to save labor in a lot of our specialty crops 
that are really labor intensive, genomics research to assist us 
in developing new varieties of plants and animals, precision 
agriculture techniques that help us apply the correct amount of 
inputs across the landscape where we need it and not where we 
don't need it.
    Helps us conserve water and fuel, a lot of high carbon 
inputs like fertilizers and pesticides and stuff. It helps us 
manage our pests and diseases and improves the health of our 
farm animals and also trains the next generation of ag 
researchers and farm managers.
    So, within NIFA, as Derek said, SCRI is a really important 
program to us because a lot of our ag is especially crop 
oriented. So, WSU supports renewing and making permanent 
programs that require direct mandatory farm bill funding like 
SCRI, especially crops research initiative.
    And we would support increasing--okay. My time is already 
up. So, boy, two minutes goes fast. So, along with SCRI, the 
AFRI programs are really, really important too. So, thank you.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you. And just remember, as you said, 
you have a letter, but if there's much more information you'd 
like to submit, please know that the record does stay open for 
ten days for the hearing for you all to submit written 
testimony as well.

 STATEMENT OF MARK POWERS, PRESIDENT, NORTHWEST HORTICULTURAL 
                      COUNCIL, YAKIMA, WA

    Mr. Powers. Good morning, Madam Chair. Good morning, 
Representative Schrier. My name is Mark Powers. I'm the 
President of the Northwest Horticultural Council. That's a 
trade association that represents the growers and shippers of 
apples, pears, and cherries here in Washington State and the 
greater Pacific Northwest.
    Our growers are under incredible economic pressures that 
are basically changing their businesses, and I'd like to point 
out a couple of those. One would be wage rates, which I know 
are not directly under the farm bill, but it's 60 to 70 percent 
of our cost structure. And basically, one example that I can 
point out to you is under the adverse effect wage rate in 
Washington State has increased roughly 64 percent over the past 
decade, which is significant.
    That pressure, combined with some of the retaliatory 
tariffs that we're experiencing in overseas markets where we 
export roughly 25 to 35 percent, given any particular year, are 
really hurting us.
    Traditionally, tree fruit growers have not relied on the 
farm bill for direct payments. That's no surprise. But it is 
different from some of the other commodity programs. Instead, 
we've relied on research, pest and disease programs, market 
development programs, those kinds of things to keep us 
competitive and innovative. And that's how we compete.
    And so, those investments are very important. A lot of them 
had their genesis in the Specialty Crops Competitiveness Act of 
2004 (Pub. L. 108-465) but not all. For instance, the Market 
Access Program is one that we utilize. It's very successful, 
and it helps us to promote overseas. We're hoping to see a 
doubling of funding for that program.
    Also, the TASC program, Technical Assistance for Specialty 
Crops, relatively small at $9 million but still very targeted 
and very effective.
    In addition, when we switch to the Title X and horticulture 
organics, our growers are all in on organics. 90 percent of the 
nation's organic apples are produced in Washington State. 
Having said that, there are some revisions or some reforms to 
the National Organic Program and OSB that are being 
contemplated. Some of those we support, some of those we do 
not. There's more detail in our--in my written testimony.
    The plant pest and disease issue is also critically 
important. We have an epidemic here of little cherry disease 
that we're hoping to have Congresswoman Schrier's already 
helped us with initially to get some funding there. That's 
causing all kinds of program problems.
    In conclusion, the farm bill programs are significant value 
to tree fruit growers here in Washington State. We urge the 
continued funding of those that I have mentioned and others 
such as a Specialty Crop Research Initiative, Specialty Crop 
Block Grants, Whole-Farm Crop Insurance, Tree Assistance 
Program, and others. Thank you for this opportunity.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you.

  STATEMENT OF JON DeVANEY, PRESIDENT, WASHINGTON STATE TREE 
                 FRUIT ASSOCIATION, YAKIMA, WA

    Mr. DeVaney. Good morning. Thank you, Madam Chair and 
Representative Schrier. My name is Jon DeVaney. I'm the 
President of the Washington State Tree Fruit Association based 
in Yakima. We represent the growers, packers, and marketers of 
apples, pears, cherries, and other tree fruits here in the 
State of Washington.
    Those crops taken together represent about 28 percent of 
the state's farmgate agricultural production value. So, 
specialty but not minor.
    I'd like to start by thanking you and your colleagues in 
Congress for your past support of disaster assistance. We've 
had some extreme weather and other issues that agriculture are 
used to dealing with, but these have been some extreme events. 
We really appreciate your help and support there.
    Disaster programs, though, do still need improvement, and 
we encourage you to work with the Department to provide greater 
flexibility on assessing damages. Often, the damages on 
specialty crops are not fully known until after harvest is 
complete, or in the case of crops like pears and apples, which 
go into storage, sometimes months or even a year later. So, we 
do encourage you to work with the Department on that issue.
    While disaster assistance is largely reactive, we prefer to 
be out in front of solving problems ahead of time through 
scientific research and innovation. Our orchardists make 
significant investments in research through their mandatory 
assessments they vote in on themselves through the Washington 
Tree Fruit Research Commission.
    Just this last year, we invested $4.5 million in research 
projects ranging from food safety to pest and disease control 
and response, and the development of new technologies, 
including labor saving automation.
    The Specialty Crop Research Initiative in the farm bill has 
been extremely important in leveraging those grower investor 
dollars to make sure that programs are effective and can be 
deployed quickly. We do ask that you maintain this program and 
that you restore the waiver of the 100 percent match 
requirement, which will allow emerging issues to be dealt with 
quickly before additional matching dollars can be located.
    At least as successful as the Specialty Crop Research 
Initiative has been the Specialty Crop Block Grant program, 
which is both flexible and impactful in dealing with a variety 
of industry issues, whether that's research, training for 
growers and their employees, marketing of products and 
promotion, and pest and disease response.
    This program is already oversubscribed. The State of 
Washington added $16 million in applications last year for $4 
million in funding. So, we do ask that you maintain that and 
extend that program but not expand the definition of specialty 
crops to further dilute the limited sources of funds that are 
already available.
    Finally, as Mark Powers mentioned, farm labor is the single 
largest variable cost for orchardists in our state, as well as 
being increasingly difficult to secure. It's hard to attract 
and retain those folks. Labor challenges alone are forcing many 
growers out of business.
    Our industry is prioritizing automation and labor-saving 
technologies, and we encourage you to work with USDA to 
prioritize and expedite research projects in technology 
deployment. I provided some additional information in my 
written comments, and again, thank you very much for the 
opportunity to speak with you today.
    Ms. Plaskett. May I ask you a question?
    Mr. DeVaney. Of course, Madam Chair.
    Ms. Plaskett. When you talk about labor challenges, can you 
describe some more what some of those challenges?
    Mr. DeVaney. Yes. We require a large labor pool of short-
term seasonal workers to harvest fruit crops, which if you--
sometimes as much as--or as little as a day late of your target 
harvest date, the crop's quality suffers or you may not even 
have a marketable crop.
    But in an economy with very low unemployment and lots of 
year-round, perhaps indoor job opportunities available, it's 
hard to find people who are looking for seasonal work, combined 
with changes in our immigration policy.
    So, we really need to make sure both that we have workable 
guestworker programs, as Mark Powers alluded to, like the H-2A 
program that can function better, but also that we are 
investing in labor efficiency and automation so that we can 
provide growers some alternatives to trying to find people on a 
short-term basis.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you. Thanks.
    Mr. DeVaney. Thank you very much.
    Ms. Plaskett. While we call up the next four people, I've 
been asked to have no applause between so we can get to as many 
people as possible. Okay. Stacey Crnich or Cronich? I can't 
tell from this. Jim Wilcox, Jeremy Visser, and Ryan Mensonides. 
Thank you.
    Ms. Crnich. Hi.
    Ms. Plaskett. Hi. Good morning.

  STATEMENT OF STACEY CRNICH, CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, BONNEY 
                 LAKE FOOD BANK, BONNEY LAKE WA

    Ms. Crnich. Good morning. Thank you so much, Chair 
Plaskett, and we're representing Representative Schrier's 
district, a project that we call The Market that is a food 
security community-based project that is a free grocery store.
    We're on a farm in East Pierce doing some innovative 
things, and I could tell you a lot about some of the funding 
streams that have been made available to us to connect us 
deeply to agriculture and the farmers in our area, but I think 
it would be better if I told you who that was impacting and 
what that looked like.
    So, in June of 2020, a farmers' market truck pulled up, 
Tacoma Farmers Market, through a program mobilized through 
Pierce County Economic Development called Fresh Express. And I 
remember when the doors opened of that truck and I looked 
inside and saw all the fresh produce. A seed was planted, and I 
thought, this is how this should always be. This is how the 
story should have always been.
    And when I took the raspberries and the blackberries and 
the blueberries out of the truck, I went immediately to a 
customer and showed them to her, and she cried. And I thought, 
I can't ``unknow'' this. Her access to those, it did not exist. 
And she said, you mean I can have all? And I said, of course.
    And then the next week when I saw her, she brought me the 
jam that she made, and we had a conversation about food that 
changed the narrative and the entire landscape and my 
perspective on what we were doing in food security forever. I 
can't unknow that. We were talking about food, not about the 
lack of but a universal language that all of us speak.
    So, when we moved out to the farm in East Pierce, I wanted 
to make a statement about how deeply rooted we were in 
protecting--oh, my goodness. I've got so many stories. So, we 
work with local farmers, and as my farmer Pat from Mom's 
Microgreens tells me, the supply chain doesn't break down when 
the supply chain is 20 away.
    Our work with Mecarios Acres, where we're able to curate 
pork and beautiful animals and preserve every last bit of that 
animal and have people of all cultures see things that they 
want to prepare for their families. When people come into the 
market and tell me, Stacy, this is what my doctor wants me to 
eat. You have the things my doctor wants me to eat. I feel so 
special when I'm here.
    I just can't unknow these things, and I want all efforts to 
continue to forge, fortify, and sustain those relationships 
with local farmers to continue forever. Thank you so much.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you. Now you know how Kim Schrier and I 
feel when we only have one minute on the floor.

   STATEMENT OF JAY KEHNE, SAGELANDS HERITAGE PROGRAM LEAD, 
                CONSERVATION NORTHWEST, OMAK, WA

    Mr. Kehne. Thank you for this time to speak today. My name 
is Jay Kehne. I work for Conservation Northwest for the last 13 
years. I live in Omak, Washington. Prior to that, I worked for 
the Department of Agriculture Natural Resource Conservation 
Service for 31 years. It's all just too much fun to give up.
    I'm here to talk today about what the 2018 Farm Bill did 
that affects CRP and particularly safe acres in Douglas County. 
I've been working with ranchers and farmers my whole--both 
careers, and this really could have a negative effect starting 
in 2023.
    The waiver that used to exist that allowed crop acres to be 
put into CRP and SAFE--SAFE is a program that came after CRP--
that waiver was done away with in the 2018 Farm Bill. Starting 
in 2023, if that waiver is not fixed in the next farm bill, up 
to 73,000 acres of prime CRP ground that supports three 
endangered species in Washington State, sage grouse, sharp 
tailed grouse, and pygmy rabbits could come out.
    So, this would have a huge effect on the community. Right 
now, these dollars coming in the community to ranchers help 
support them. It helps support the wildlife that we're very 
much interested in, and it helps support the community. So, it 
could have a very negative effect.
    The legislation struck the broad waiver language that 
allowed a county to crop plant acreage enrolled in CRP to 
exceed 25 percent and makes only Conservation Reserve CRP 
eligible for the waiver, when previously, SAFE was also 
eligible.
    The two requests that I have would be that Congress 
reinstate the cap waiver for state acres for wildlife 
enhancement in the next farm bill. And two, to take Section B 
of Section 1244(f), which says operators would have a 
difficulty complying with conservation plans are not allowed 
for the waiver. That needs to be changed to, or that grounds 
exist that are beneficial for water quality, have benefits for 
wildlife, which these acres clearly do, then that waiver would 
be allowed.
    I have a legislative video that we produced with four or 
five ranchers and farmers that talk about this that I could 
supply for you. And I have any opportunity to come and help 
explain this in Washington, D.C. I'd be glad to do that.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you.
    Mr. Wilcox. Good morning.
    Ms. Plaskett. Good morning.

STATEMENT OF JIM WILCOX, CHAIRMAN, WILCOX FAMILY FARMS, ROY, WA

    Mr. Wilcox. Thank you very much, Chair Plaskett and you, 
Congresswoman Schrier, for being here. And Congresswoman 
Schrier, I want to publicly thank you for all the help you've 
given us in the past.
    I'm Jim Wilcox from Wilcox Family Farms. We're a business 
that has been around for about 115 years. I'm the retiring 
third generation, and we want to keep going. Unfortunately, 
we're right in the middle of a real disease crisis. I'm sure 
all of you have heard about the avian flu. And frankly, we 
don't sleep at night. This has the ability and the potential to 
put us out of business.
    In this country and Canada so far, between 35 and 40 
million birds have been euthanized because they've contracted 
the avian flu. And so far, there really isn't much that can be 
done for it.
    I'm asking you folks in Congress to support our state and 
our national extension services and our land-grant colleges in 
having the resources that can come up with a vaccine or a 
solution to this problem.
    Every person that consumes eggs has felt the impact of this 
because the shortages due to the euthanizations causes 
shortages and that results in higher prices. So, it's a problem 
for all of us, and I would ask your consideration. Thank you 
very much.
    Ms. Plaskett. Mr. Wilcox, what do you grow on your farm?
    Mr. Wilcox. Well, we grow eggs. We produce eggs. We--our 
eggs are mostly cage free and pasture, and we grow a lot of 
crops that they consume as they're moved on a periodic basis 
from paddock to paddock.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you.
    Ms. Schier. Madam Chair, if you go to Costco in Washington 
State, you will see Wilcox Eggs, and they take the hen houses 
around to different areas of pasture every day.
    Ms. Plaskett. Okay.

         STATEMENT OF JEREMY VISSER, MEMBER, BOARD OF 
   DIRECTORS, NORTHWEST DAIRYMEN'S ASSOCIATION, DAIRY GOLD, 
                          STANWOOD, WA

    Mr. Visser. Hello. Thank you for the opportunity. My name 
is Jeremy Visser. I am a fourth-generation dairy farmer in 
northwest Washington representing Dairy Gold, the marketing and 
processing subsidiary of Northwest Dairymen's Association, 
which consists of now 350 dairy farm families across 
Washington, Oregon, Idaho, and Montana. We operate 11 plants 
throughout the Northwest.
    Ten years ago, there were 550 family farms that were in 
that organization. Through the last passage of time, it's been 
a difficult slog. It's a lifetime commitment to be in the dairy 
business, and everyone who's in it enjoys it and chooses to do 
it every day. We have a passion for caring for our cows, our 
crops, our land, and our people that help us get it done.
    I'd like to thank you for additions to the farm bill 
through the Dairy Revenue Protection Program. It's been a very 
useful tool that farmers can choose to protect their milk price 
and use forward contracting tools that are also authorized in 
the farm bill. Very helpful.
    And like most crop insurance, those things allow farms to 
use any quantity of protection. As a family farm would grow, 
they would be able to insure more of their milk.
    The one program that doesn't change with time is the Dairy 
Margin Coverage Program, which has been a very useful program 
for those who use it. It allows price stability and in terrible 
margin periods. It was great during 2020.
    That program, unlike all Title I farm insurance programs, 
has a cap that has really stopped a lot of farms from being 
able to use the benefits of that. And if you could look into 
making it more size neutral or something that could accommodate 
all farms and all people who choose to purchase it. Thank you 
very much for the opportunity.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you.

         STATEMENT OF RYAN D. MENSONIDES, CO-OWNER, CO-
  MANAGER, CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, MOUNT RAINIER CREAMERY & 
                      MARKET, ENUMCLAW, WA

    Mr. Mensonides. Good morning. Thank you guys for the time 
letting us come up and speak. My name is Ryan Mensonides. My 
wife Haylee and I own and operate an organic dairy farm in 
Enumclaw, Washington, about an hour away. We are the poster 
children for new farming programs.
    We got an FSA loan to start our farm, buy cows, and to buy 
our farm. We have spent almost $500,000 for the EQIP program to 
improve our nutrient management programs with the farm that was 
old and outdated. We are starting a creamery here.
    We just received a rural development grant for some of the 
infrastructure so that we can provide local products to our 
local community. We are also recipients of the Value-Added 
Producer Grant that we'll use once we start going. So, 
literally, any place that we can try to take advantage to get 
going.
    We are an anomaly. I come from a long line of dairy 
farmers, but my wife and I started from scratch, which is 
really weird in the dairy industry. You can ask anybody in it. 
Oddly enough, I grew up about 15 minutes away from Jim Wilcox. 
My dad and him used to trade corn. When somebody didn't get 
corn, they would bring truckloads back and forth. And I know 
Jeremy very well because at a time I was with Dairy Gold as 
well. We are also members of Organic Valley.
    A couple other things before she gives me the 30 second 
deal. The margin protection or the revenue protection program 
for dairy does not have anything for organic, and that's 
frustrating because for us then it's not a useful tool because 
it's basically just like going down to the casino and gambling 
because it doesn't really affect any of our margins.
    So, right now, the dairy--conventional dairy market is 
doing very well, and organic is getting crushed because our 
cost of inputs are through the roof and our price hasn't 
changed. So, I would love to have something looked at for that.
    I would love for the FSA programs that we are beneficiaries 
of to increase their levels because the dollar amounts for 
purchasing farms aren't keeping up with the dollar amounts of 
actual retail and real estate.
    The other thing is in infrastructure, we're building a 
processing plant so that we can actually produce local and sell 
local. There is nothing in any of these programs to buy 
equipment, and equipment is going to be 70 to 80 percent of our 
cost. So, if you guys could look into something like that, that 
would be very helpful. Thank you for the time.
    Ms. Plaskett. May I ask a question?
    Mr. Mensonides. You can ask lots. I got all kinds of 
answers.
    Ms. Plaskett. One of the things that we've spent quite a 
bit of time on the Committee is how to bring new farmers in. We 
know that many farmers are becoming more mature and that we 
need to bring in a younger crop of farmers.
    Which one of you mentioned so many--and I'm so glad that 
you were able to avail yourselves of these programs. Which ones 
have been the most helpful for you as a new farmer, and have 
there been impediments to the process to actually get the loans 
or the grants?
    Mr. Mensonides. Yes. So, to your point, I'm considered a 
young farmer and I'm 42 and I've been doing it for ten years. 
That's kind of crazy.
    Ms. Plaskett. Well, I'm older and I consider myself young.
    Mr. Mensonides. But you get what I'm saying? I think the 
average age of the dairy farmer is 69. So, it is--to your 
point, you are correct. We have an issue. In Washington in 
general, land values are through the roof. It doesn't matter if 
you're on this side of the state or the other side, that is an 
impediment.
    What has been an impediment for us in the program? We're 
actually trying to work through the SBA right now. I know 
that's not specific to agriculture, but SBA is run through 
financial institutions.
    Ms. Plaskett. Yeah.
    Mr. Mensonides. And I'm in the middle of that process right 
now, and it's been a year-long process. Those funds are very 
hard to access, and it's very hard to get that through them--
through the SBA right now.
    I don't know how to improve that. Like I said, we're in the 
middle of the process. The guy I'm working with, with the bank 
I'm working with has been really working his tail. But I think 
some of the constraints on that program need to be improved. 
That would probably be a good place to sit down with someone 
like myself and the bank in the future somehow like that.
    And the other big thing for us, like with starting off, 
literally, we bought cows and rented a farm. The dollar 
amounts, while they were raised the last farm bill, still 
weren't raised enough, at least for out here on the West Coast. 
So, there are these programs, but they're not substantial 
enough to buy enough property or buy enough to produce to 
sustain yourself. I guess that's the best answer I could give 
you on that.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you.
    Mr. Mensonides. Thank you.
    Ms. Plaskett. Okay. Next group is Claire Lane, Scott Gail, 
Ty Meyer, and Jeremy Vrablik.

 STATEMENT OF CLAIRE LANE, DIRECTOR, ANTI-HUNGER AND NUTRITION 
                     COALITION, SEATTLE, WA

    Ms. Lane. All right. I'm shrimpy. Hello and welcome to 
Washington State and thank you so much especially to 
Representative Schrier. My name is Claire Lane and I'm Director 
of our statewide Anti-Hunger and Nutrition Coalition. And I 
want to talk today about how SNAP eligibility works in the farm 
bill and doesn't work for hungry people in our communities.
    Washington's SNAP program--thank you. Washington's SNAP 
program is actually known as a model for other states, and I'm 
proud of what our state agency and our state legislators have 
done to ensure that we maximize all the opportunities in the 
farm bill to feed hungry neighbors and to provide effective job 
training and doing savvy nutrition education. But there are 
still real barriers to SNAP.
    Our coalition is asking this committee to examine how the 
next farm bill can do more to lower barriers to eligibility for 
low-income people everywhere. Adults who don't have kids faced 
unconscionable time limits on SNAP. They're only able to get 
SNAP for 3 months every 3 years unless they can document they 
worked 20 hours a week every week.
    This puts enormous pressure on homeless people, people with 
seasonal jobs, people with variable work schedules or gig work, 
and more. The Improving Access to Nutrition Act of 2021 (H.R. 
1753) would reduce hunger for these very vulnerable adults so 
they can focus on getting ahead and not just getting food on 
the table.
    Similarly, I think you'll hear a little more about this. 
Low-income college students must also document 20 hours of work 
each week to qualify for SNAP, as well as being enrolled at 
least half time and meeting all of other income requirements. 
Most low-income college students do work, but too often this 
rule means hungry students don't get the help they need to 
successfully complete school and get ahead. The EATS Act (H.R. 
1919, Enhance Access To SNAP Act of 2021) would change that.
    The current farm bill also allows other populations to be 
barred entirely from SNAP, even though they struggle with 
hunger. Native Americans who receive commodity foods through 
the Food Distribution Program on Indian Reservations are barred 
from also receiving SNAP.
    There is no other population that has to choose between 
their food bank and SNAP. Native people in Washington face some 
of the highest rates of food insecurity, and they shouldn't 
have to make this choice.
    Despite the SNAP ban in the farm bill, Washington was the 
first state to lift the bar for legally residing low-income 
immigrants from getting food stamps.
    But just as in other states who do this, Washington has to 
pay for that ourselves. If you live in the U.S. legally, where 
you were born or how long you've lived here shouldn't dictate 
whether you have enough food to eat. And the LIFT the BAR Act 
of 2021 (H.R. 5227, Lifting Immigrant Families Through Benefits 
Access Restoration Act of 2021) would do this.
    There are other significant barriers, but I just want to 
say thank you so much in the last farm bill for protecting 
SNAP, and we encourage you to do more this next go around. 
Thank you.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you.

STATEMENT OF SCOTT GAIL, BIO-FARM MANAGER, SPOKANE CONSERVATION 
                     DISTRICT, SPOKANE, WA

    Mr. Gail. Hello. We can make this go up. My name is Scott 
Gail. I'm the Bio-Farm Manager from the Spokane Conservation 
District. I was asked to come here and speak on behalf of the 
bio-farming program, which is kind of interesting. I do 2 day 
talks, and I'm more nervous here than I am doing my 2 day 
talks.
    Following are some comments we had from a recent farming 
podcast. ``Don't get into farming. We can't make a living. Move 
to town. It's all negative. Are we actually looking for 
solutions? Then in the same sentence we say, why don't the 
young people come back to the farm? Why doesn't anybody come 
back to farming? Why do we need a farm bill if there are no 
farms?''
    ``What do we want? Any and all of you in the ag industry, 
what do you want? Do you want people to farm? Do you want to 
save the farm? Why would kids come back and farm if all we do 
is complain and tell them how hard it is?''
    But there's a group of us, and we're looking for solutions. 
We want to save our small-town communities. They have 
hospitals, schools. They have homes. They have infrastructure, 
and we're banding them at record rates. We knew it was going to 
be hard, and hard times aren't coming. They are already here.
    We were running on razor thin margins. So, what did we do? 
We started the bio-farming group, a group of like-minded 
individuals, all with a common goal and tenets. How do we cut 
chemical use by 50 percent?
    And we've done it on trials. How can we farm a different 
way? What is that way? We're developing an entirely different 
farming system, and the roadblocks are monumental.
    Today we have two groups, 26 members. We own or lease 
150,000 acres that we directly control every input that goes 
into it. We've spent well over $\1/4\ million of our own money 
on regenerative trials. Why? Because the current system is 
broken.
    Our soil health is an indicator of our nation's health and 
it has fallen apart. We are the sickest, most medicated first-
world country on the planet. What can we do?
    What can our group do? We can steward the soil. What is our 
ethos, our meaning of life? I believe, like Marcus Aurelius, it 
is to live in accord with nature, but we need help. That's 
where you guys come in.
    We thought we could just cut things out, chems and 
fertilizers, but the system, the soil is so broken it can't 
take it. We actually need to put more into the system to grow 
healthy plants, and those healthy plants will fix our soil.
    We need you to come to our Farm and Food Symposium November 
9th and 10th in Spokane where we unpack what we did this year, 
the successes, the failures, and what we are going to do next 
year.
    We need you to help us with carbon-based products that will 
help us transition to regenerative practices. Come join us. 
Thank you very much.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you. Any time you put Marcus Aurelius 
and the Agriculture Committee together, you got me. George 
Geissler. Oh, sorry. One more. Yes.

     STATEMENT OF TY MEYER, PRODUCTION AG MANAGER, SPOKANE 
               CONSERVATION DISTRICT, SPOKANE, WA

    Mr. Meyer. No problem. Thank you very much for hosting this 
hearing. My name is Ty Meyer, and I'm the Production Ag Manager 
for the Spokane Conservation District. So, we appreciate the 
opportunity to be here.
    I've been working with farmers for 20 years, focused on 
direct seeding and no-till farming, and that's been a big part 
of our programs over the years working on conservation. As 
Scott said, we've established a regenerative ag program in 
2019, and the farmers are really working to solve challenges 
with their soil and plant health on their farms.
    As a conservation district employee, I've seen the benefits 
of investing in soil health and regenerative agriculture. The 
producers we are working with have seen promising results and 
some failures throughout the last 3 years, but the benefits of 
making those changes are clear.
    They've seen the ability of their system to manage climate 
changes better than in the past. They've been able to reduce 
input costs and increase profitability. They have become 
believers in the need to produce high quality, nutrient dense 
food for society.
    I'm here to ask Congress to prioritize soil health and 
regenerative agriculture by making it the emphasis of the farm 
bill. More specifically, we ask that you focus on soil health 
building practices on the land and providing technical 
assistance to farmers wishing to transition their farms.
    More education is needed to help producers understand why 
they should change and how this can impact their farms and the 
people they are feeding. Barriers to Federal crop insurance 
need to be removed when implementing cover crops and other 
biological approaches in dryland agriculture.
    The importance of this transition to regenerative 
agriculture is immeasurable, but the impact will be 
transformative, if we can build healthy soil on our farms 
leading to healthy, nutrient dense food and a healthier 
society, as our food takes on the characteristics of the 
regenerated soils.
    We support the Regenerate America Coalition that's been 
built to work with you on this farm bill. Simply stated, we 
must do more at a quicker pace, and I thank you for the 
opportunity.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you. We have George Geissler. Oh, I'm 
sorry.
    Ms. Schier. Jeremy.
    Mr. Vrablik. That's good.
    Ms. Plaskett. Oh, this is Jeremy. Okay.
    Mr. Vrablik. I'm Jeremy.
    Ms. Plaskett. Okay. Thank you.

   STATEMENT OF JEREMY VRABLIK, OWNER, CASCADIA PRODUCE LLC, 
                           AUBURN, WA

    Mr. Vrablik. Madam Chair, Congresswoman Schrier, thank you 
for this time. I'm going to speak towards barriers to access 
that I believe should be addressed in the farm bill. I have two 
topics under that.
    My company, Cascadia Produce, has the unique perspective of 
having been awarded the USDA Farmers to Families award back in 
2020 and 2021. And we are now currently very honored to be 
working with the WSDA under the We Feed WA pilot program.
    What we have learned from the transition from a Federal 
program into a state program is that, while the Federal program 
worked out very well for some, it was really focused more 
towards larger farms.
    And with the We Feed WA program, what we found is that 
directing funding to the state to be able to use those funds 
with the farms that they know through either aggregators or 
directly to those farms, allows farms like Sky Island Farms, 
Bill Thorne, who made a delivery to our warehouse yesterday and 
thanked us because he was going to throw in the towel and we 
were about to lose another farm.
    And because of the payments that came from the state 
program, he's continuing to farming, and we're continuing to 
purchase produce from him. We have a number of small women-
owned BIPOC farms that we work with that we're able to redirect 
this Federal funding through the state to them to encourage 
these farms to continue to do what they do.
    The second barrier to access is a little more technical, 
although it definitely drives into a barrier as well, which is 
the single audit requirement of receiving more than $750,000 in 
Federal funding at a time. If you reach that threshold, you 
then have to hire an auditing company to go through and look at 
your books, and it can cost $20,000 to $30,000 to $40,000 to do 
it. And for a small organization to do that, it's a significant 
dollar amount for sure.
    The OMB at one time did waive the requirement under the 
Farmers to Families Program. That requirement was waived for 
all of us as award holders. And so, I believe that through 
discussions with the OMB and entering it into the farm bill, 
having a waiver for small, BIPOC, women-owned, socially 
disadvantaged farms and producers to not have to go through the 
single audit would benefit them greatly. Thank you.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you. Okay. George Geissler, Marci 
Green, Chris Voigt, and Britany Meclan or Miker. I can't read 
that.

  STATEMENT OF GEORGE L. GEISSLER, WASHINGTON STATE FORESTER, 
DEPUTY, WILDLAND FIRE AND FOREST HEALTH/RESILIENCY, WASHINGTON 
                     DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL 
                     RESOURCES, OLYMPIA, WA

    Mr. Geissler. So, good morning, Congresswoman. This is 
George Geissler. I'm the Washington State Forester. I'm also 
the deputy supervisor over DNR's wildland fire programs. I have 
to admit, I was not planning on talking today. So, you're going 
to get George Geissler off the cuff and talking about farm 
bill. But that's okay.
    I mean, basically, what I'd really like to highlight is the 
importance of the farm bill to Washington's forest, as well as 
Washington's wildland fire preparedness. One of the big 
components in the farm bill is really the good neighbor 
authority.
    That was authorized a few years ago, and with the amount of 
funding that's now coming through related to IIJA (Pub. L. 117-
58, Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act) and National Forest 
funds, here within the state, we've done about 30 major 
projects and they range everywhere from forest harvesting to 
forest restoration, even road restoration, and we're getting 
more and more involved.
    One thing that we do here in Washington State is working 
with our Federal partners. Really, we like to take on that 
their problems are our problems. So, when working with them 
directly related to authorities like Good Neighbor, we're 
trying to fill the gaps where the Forest Service cannot meet, 
whether it's a road engineer, a timber engineer, or any of 
those type of positions, and really so that we can increase the 
pace and scale on the landscape.
    Other things that really have helped that are in that are 
the cross-boundary funding that you would receive. There are 
Stevens funds within the farm bill. Those amounts have gone 
down over the years, but it is critical that that is something 
that allows for, again, cross-boundary work.
    And then just the basics of what is in the cooperative 
forestry programs, working, getting the funding we utilize EQIP 
and other forms of funding to get landowners work on the ground 
as well as recover from after disasters. Individual landowners 
can apply for funding through the farm bill that allows them to 
reforest their lands.
    So, there's a lot in the forestry title there, and I work 
with the Congressmen all the time. And so, any time that you 
need help, we are very glad to come out and explain and work 
through any of the forestry title with you. Thank you.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you.

STATEMENT OF MARCI GREEN, FARMER, GREEN VIEW FARMS, INC.; PAST 
PRESIDENT, WASHINGTON ASSOCIATION OF WHEAT GROWERS, FAIRFIELD, 
                               WA

    Ms. Green. Hi. I'm Marci Green, and my family and I farm 
south of Spokane. My sons are seventh generation on our farm. 
I'm here today representing Washington Association of Wheat 
Growers.
    So, just to get right into it, probably our biggest 
priority in the farm bill is crop insurance. Last year we had 
major drought throughout the whole state in 2021, and our 
yields were cut by \2/3\ to \1/2\ across the state. Crop 
insurance keeps us in business for another year. So, that's--we 
would support enhancing any crop insurance programs.
    Also, the Title I programs, ARC and PLC, those are all part 
of our safety net, and we utilize those. Biggest change we 
would ask for there would be an increase in the reference price 
of $5.50 per bushel. Reference price for wheat isn't even close 
to break-even. The last number I heard our break-even is closer 
to $7, but I also know in the last year our input costs have 
doubled and tripled. So, I'm sure our break-even is probably 
higher than that at this point.
    Also, conservation programs. We support voluntary crop--or 
conservation programs. So, anything that can be done to enhance 
those is good, and they need to have a wide range of options 
because not every situation and every farm can utilize the same 
practices.
    And then also trade is very important to us. So, we're on--
the MAP and FMD funding, we'd like to see an increase there.
    So, I think those pretty much cover my main topics, and my 
time is up. But thank you very much for inviting us.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you.

STATEMENT OF CHRIS VOIGT, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, WASHINGTON STATE 
               POTATO COMMISSION, MOSES LAKE, WA

    Mr. Voigt. Chair Plaskett, Representative Schrier, thank 
you so much. My name is Chris Voigt. I'm the Executive Director 
of the Washington State Potato Commission, representing the 250 
potato farmers that we have in the state, the family farms.
    You asked what was working and what's not working. Let me 
simplify it for you. On a potato perspective, the TASC 
(Technical Assistance for Specialty Crops) program is working. 
Let's keep that. We've been trying to get fresh potato access 
to Mexico for the last 25 years. If it was not for the TASC 
program, the technical assistance that that funding provided, 
as well as the legal assistance that we needed to get through 
the Mexican Supreme Court, our potatoes would not have gotten 
there, but we now have access to Mexico because of the TASC 
program.
    The MAP program is also working, but it hasn't been 
increased in over 15 years. And so, we're asking for an 
increase to $400 million for the Market Access Program. What 
also is working----
    Ms. Plaskett. I'm sorry. An increase of how much?
    Mr. Voigt. To $400 million.
    The Specialty Crop Research Initiative, I know that's also 
been brought up today. That has been critical in helping us 
solve a lot of pest and disease issues as well as we got a big 
grant for soil health to help us essentially grow more food 
using less resources. So, that program is working, and that's 
really important to us.
    The block grants, especially crop block grants, are also 
working. It gives a lot of states flexibility not only for 
research projects, but we're also utilizing that funding. We're 
the executive producers of a TV show called Washington Grown, 
and it's really educating the public about specialty crops, how 
to eat--what the nutrition content is, how to select the 
perfect tomato or apple or potato, as well as healthy cooking 
recipes back home. And you get to learn where that food came 
from and interview with the farmer.
    What also is working--and this is every--every few years 
as--we're becoming empty nesters, my family. But one of the 
projects that we took on every year was the food stamp 
challenge. And what we learned through that exercise is the 
food stamp challenges were actually trying to live off of what 
a food stamp recipient would get.
    We started out at $3 per person, per day, $4 or $5 now. And 
what we learned is you can get enough calories utilizing those 
dollars in the SNAP program, but what you miss out on is the 
produce. We had to reduce our produce consumption by over 80 
percent. So, a FINI program or now the Gus Schumacher Nutrition 
Incentive Program is really critical in delivering nutrient 
dense fruits and vegetables to those that most need it. Thank 
you so much for your time.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you.

STATEMENT OF BRITANY MEIKLEN, FOOD DISTRIBUTION CENTER PROGRAM 
                   DIRECTOR, CHELAN-DOUGLAS 
            COMMUNITY ACTION COUNCIL, WENTACHEE, WA

    Ms. Meiklen. Good morning. Thank you, Madam Chair, 
Congresswoman, and staff, for giving Washington State this 
platform to address the farm bill today.
    I wanted to--my name is Britany Meiklen. I am representing 
Chelan-Douglas Community Action Council. I am the Program 
Director for the Food Distribution Center, and I would like to 
address a few programs that are working well but I would like 
to see them strengthened.
    WSDA has brought forth a farm to food pantry program, which 
allows me to contract directly with small farms, specifically 
looking at women, BIPOC, and veteran farmers. This is not only 
better for access to fresh produce for our low-income and 
individuals who visit the food banks, but it is also great for 
our small farms.
    We also have the We Feed WA Fresh Box, which works with 
many food hubs in Washington State to bring fresh produce to 
our food pantries.
    We also have the farm to food bank program, which allows us 
to go in and glean unwanted crops from farmers which might 
otherwise go to waste. These are all benefits to our low-income 
individuals that would not otherwise have access to fresh 
produce and fresh foods.
    A couple of things that I would like to touch on as well is 
eligibility. I would like to get rid of the eligibility clause 
altogether with T-fat foods. We have found that with cost of 
living, Corona, the eligibility is just kind of all over the 
place. And we are seeing many, many more families in the, 
quote-unquote, ``middle class'' coming to visit our food 
pantries.
    I am representing two counties that I guarantee are not 
lazy people. Our unemployment rates are at about 3.3 percent, 
and yet my food bank numbers are still rising since the 
pandemic. We need access to fresh foods. We need the 
eligibility to go away. Regardless of how much dignity I try to 
give these people, it is not a preferred way to shop at food 
banks. Thank you.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you. Next group is Tony Freytag, Brian 
Clark, Christina Wong, and Jim Werkhoven. Tony, Brian Clark, 
Christina Wong, and Jim Werkhoven. Great. Thank you.

  STATEMENT OF TONY FREYTAG, EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT, CRUNCH 
                     PAK, LLC, CASHMERE, WA

    Mr. Freytag. Thank you, Madam Chair. We welcome you to the 
Northwest where, as nice and cool and beautiful as it is here 
today, you can go about an hour and a half over that hill, the 
Cascade Mountains, and it'll probably be close to 100 today. 
So, that's where we grow the apples.
    About 22 years ago--and, Congresswoman Schrier, thank you 
again for setting this up today and your staff.
    Twenty-two years ago, we started a company in Cashmere, 
Washington called Crunch Pak Sliced Apples. Today, we produce 
millions of slices every day. So, we're in strong support of 
the apple growers that are here, the apple--any of the fruit 
producers. But I'm really speaking here today on behalf of 
support of the SNAP program.
    It's very, very important that that program continue. 
Partially for the reason is that in recent studies, close to 30 
percent of the basket that is purchased by families are 
producing--or purchasing fruits and vegetables is done through 
the SNAP or other supportive programs for families.
    This is probably the only way they can afford to buy the 
produce that has gone up--produce and vegetables that has gone 
up over the last years just due to all the reasons that we're 
well aware of. So, any support, any additional support, 
anything that can be done, we strongly, strongly encourage it.
    Last, the crop insurance program is very important this 
year. This crop that will be coming off the trees in August and 
September and through the fall has had tremendous damage due to 
the heat from last year, hailstorms, and various storms this 
last year. So, thank you very much for letting me speak today.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you.

             STATEMENT OF BRIAN CLARK, ISSAQUAH, WA

    Mr. Clark. Hello. I'm disabled, and I'm receiving SSDI. 
Each month, I struggle to be able to consistently eat healthy. 
My struggle is to be able to get enough food to eat healthy 
each month. I'm told when applying through the State of 
Washington DSHS that my SSDI is too much for me to qualify for 
anything more than close to the bare minimum of SNAP benefits.
    This then prevents me from ever being able to do anything 
financially positive or constructive for myself. As an example, 
without a more reasonable amount of SNAP benefits to help 
subsidize my reasonable need to eat healthy, any money that I 
might have been able to use for clothes, dental needs, haircut, 
or et cetera is instead spent on food.
    This is just a brief explanation of my trouble with getting 
a more suitable amount of SNAP benefits each month. I'm like 
many other people who worked before becoming disabled, and 
because of this, I do not automatically qualify for things like 
SNAP and Medicaid. I do not get a large SSDI check each month. 
Plus, I'm a single person with zero dependents, and because of 
this, I qualify for even less.
    In closing, I would like to say that before the pandemic 
made it possible for all people who qualify to receive monthly 
SNAP benefits to get the maximum amount of SNAP each month, I 
struggled to afford to be able to consistently eat healthy.
    Unfortunately, with the monthly snap benefit amount of 
about $30, my affordable options are limited, and I'm unable to 
eat healthy at all times.
    So, I'm speaking today to request the 2023 Farm Bill to 
make changes that will increase SNAP benefits to a more 
adequate amount so that disabled and low-income people can eat 
more nutritious and healthy foods, especially with current 
increasing food costs. Thank you.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you.

    STATEMENT OF CHRISTINA WONG, DIRECTOR, PUBLIC POLICY & 
            ADVOCACY, NORTHWEST HARVEST, SEATTLE, WA

    Ms. Wong. Good morning. For the record, Christina Wong, 
Director of Public Policy for Northwest Harvest, Washington's 
independent statewide food bank serving 375 programs. Thank you 
for giving the people of Washington this opportunity to speak 
to our challenges and our collective effort to build resilient 
food systems.
    I also thank Representative Schrier for your leadership in 
securing resources for our struggling families and our 
struggling family farms.
    SNAP is our first line of defense against hunger. It helps 
one in eight Washingtonians and one in nine Washington workers 
put food on the table. SNAP redemptions generate over $1 
billion for our state each year. Yet despite recent changes to 
the Thrifty Food Plan, the average SNAP benefit is still less 
than $2 per meal.
    Far too many low-income seniors and people with 
disabilities with fixed incomes by Social Security receive the 
minimum benefit of just $20 per month. With food prices 12 
percent higher compared to this time last year, SNAP is not 
enough to afford the most basic of dietary needs.
    We have been talking with SNAP recipients throughout our 
state, from the mom in Curlew who can no longer afford the 70-
mile round trip to the nearest affordable grocery store, to the 
senior in Bellingham who keeps her fridge unplugged to save on 
energy costs to pay rent. People need flexibility to use SNAP 
based on options where they live or where they are in life.
    So, we ask you to do the following. One, make SNAP benefits 
more adequate by using the Low-Cost Food Plan, which is 
designed to better support a nutritious and affordable diet.
    Two, do not further shame people when they're down by 
restricting what SNAP can buy. One father of four told me he 
feels like a lesser parent because he can't afford the food he 
knows is better for his children. Instead, expand GusNIP to 
make buying fruits and vegetables more affordable.
    Three, expand access for using SNAP online for grocery 
delivery, including prohibiting additional fees.
    And four, allow purchasing of hot prepared deli items and 
expand certified retail options like senior centers for the 
restaurant SNAP program so that people with limited physical 
ability or places to prepare meals don't go hungry.
    And remember, increased SNAP access decreases hunger and 
yields more economic activity. So, it's a good investment. 
Thank you.

 STATEMENT OF JIM WERKHOVEN, PRESIDENT, WERKHOVEN DAIRY INC., 
                           MONROE, WA

    Mr. Werkhoven. Good morning. My name is Jim Werkhoven. I'm 
a second-generation dairyman. I farm about 20 minutes down the 
road. We're moving to the third generation. I'm above average 
in that I'm over 59 years old.
    Dairy is the second largest agricultural commodity in the 
State of Washington. I think it's important to the economic 
environment here in Washington, and I'm proud to be a part of 
that. I really have three things I want to touch on.
    The dairy production program is a great improvement over 
what we've had in the past, but I will tell you, in Washington 
State and in the West in general, the size limitations are 
really problematic. Oftentimes covers only a small fraction of 
our production and would be far more useful if it was higher.
    Talking about market, the Market Access Program in dairy in 
this state, about 70 percent of the milk we produce moves out 
of this region. Over half of it or about half of it moves 
overseas, and that is just critical to us. I'd love to see more 
funding involved into that, and it's a big part of our ability 
to stay in business, to move product overseas.
    And last, I would really like to have robust funding for 
the SNAP program. I think right now in this time of pandemic 
and high inflation and high food inflation, it's just critical 
that that have robust funding. And it's important for these 
families to get nutrient dense food. And so, with that, thank 
you for the opportunity.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you. Our next group is Chris Pettit, 
Lindsay Gilliam, Angie Reseland, and Lulu Redder and Beth 
Doglio.

        STATEMENT OF CHRIS PETTIT, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, 
           WASHINGTON STATE CONSERVATION COMMISSION, 
                          OLYMPIA, WA

    Mr. Pettit. Good morning, Madam Chair. I'm Chris Pettit, 
the Executive Director of the Conservation Commission. We're 
the state agency that you heard from Ty and Scott, the 
wonderful work that they're doing out in Spokane. We get to 
have the privilege of working with our leaders in locally-led 
conservation.
    We appreciate Congresswoman Schrier. We've been able to 
work with her office on any number of wonderful things. You 
heard Ty mention the Soil Health Initiative. We have a state 
program, sustainable farms and fields, that the Congresswoman 
and her office has been vital in helping us with and looking at 
some of the wonderful grant opportunities out there.
    In terms of the farm bill, we really wanted to touch on a 
couple of things today that tie into those vital pieces that 
you're hearing, the concerns you're hearing from the 
conservation districts, the concerns you're hearing from the 
producers, the increased needs for conservation technical 
assistance on the ground through the farm bill that allow the 
districts to get out and do the great work that they do. The 
ability to increase the flexibility in the RCPP program to make 
things a little bit easier on the ground.
    You heard a little bit about CRP. We have a wonderful state 
program called CRP. We're able to partner with the NRCS and FSA 
in getting really good conservation on the ground. We've been 
having some challenges with rental rates there.
    Training, you're hearing about the demographics in the 
industry, in the conservation industry. We also have 
significant needs to make sure that we have that expertise, 
those folks that have been involved for years and years, the 
ability to train that next generation.
    At the wonderful conference that the districts put on here 
in Washington this year, the new employee orientation was 
extremely full. And you've got young, passionate folks coming 
in and the ability to train them to put the plans together, to 
get the relationships, to work with the wonderful producers 
that we have the privilege of working with.
    These are the folks that demonstrate that locally-led 
conservation works, and the state and Federal programs to 
provide that funding are what allow the conservation districts 
to do their great work and work with those producers that we're 
so lucky to work with this. This title is extremely important.
    One last thing I will mention. You heard from DNR. We have 
the privilege of also working and the districts do an amazing 
job on Firewise, on forestry issues, and we'd like to continue 
doing that as well. Thank you, ma'am.

  STATEMENT OF LINDSAY GILLIAM, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, CARNATION 
                 FARMERS MARKET, CARNATION, WA

    Ms. Gilliam. Hello. Hello, Chair Plaskett and Congresswoman 
Schrier. My name is Lindsay Gilliam. I'm the Executive Director 
of the Carnation Farmers Market. So, we're your local farmers' 
market here in this vital agricultural production region. 
Welcome to our beautiful, fertile valley. Thank you for this 
opportunity.
    I'd like to thank you for your support of farmers' markets 
and specifically for your support of the critical programs such 
as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, SNAP, 
matching funds programs funded by GusNIP, and Senior Farmers' 
Market Nutrition Program, SFMNP. I urge you to include these 
priorities in the 2023 Farm Bill.
    These farmers' market programs directly increase the number 
of consumer dollars spent with our farmers while providing 
direct access to healthy food for food-insecure households. 
Farmers' markets and these programs increase the consumption of 
locally produced food, which increases farmers' ability to 
produce more food.
    These programs create inclusive environments in diverse 
communities, bringing services to at-need populations in a 
stigma free environment. By continuing to support farmers' 
markets and vital programs such as SNAP and SFMNP, the 
Congressional House Agriculture Committee continues to support, 
preserve, and grow thriving farms.
    The first household to utilize our SNAP program was a hard-
working, vibrant, food-insecure family that came to market 
weekly, buying what they could and cheering us along as we 
challenged our organization's capacity in order to implement 
these critical programs and services. They return week after 
week, along with many other households, to participate in 
direct access to locally grown food.
    Farmers' markets and programs like SNAP, SFMNP increase the 
stability of our nation's farms. Thank you for this opportunity 
to speak with you today.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you.

       STATEMENT OF ANGELA ``ANGIE'' RESELAND, FARM BILL 
   COORDINATOR, WASHINGTON DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND WILDLIFE, 
                          OLYMPIA, WA

    Ms. Reseland. Hi, Chair Plaskett and Congresswoman Schrier. 
My name is Angie Reseland, and I am the Farm Bill Coordinator 
for Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife.
    Like Jay and several other people here today, I'm here 
today to discuss issues affecting the Conservation Reserve 
Program's State Acres for Wildlife Enhancement Initiative 
that's better known as SAFE. DFW, along with the Farm Service 
Agency, Natural Resources Conservation Service, and Washington 
Association of Conservation Districts partner to implement this 
program.
    With approximately 1.2 million acres enrolled, the CRP is 
one of Washington's most successful conservation programs. The 
SAFE Initiative, an offshoot of CRP that accepts enrollment on 
a continuous basis, plays a particularly essential role in 
restoring and recovering wildlife by establishing habitat 
through voluntary conservation efforts.
    It also highlights CRP's success in Washington because it's 
tailored to the type of landowner and their land and the 
importance of local, state, and Federal partnerships in 
perpetuating success.
    As of 2022, SAFE has over 121,000 acres enrolled, 
representing just under ten percent of the CRP acres in 
Washington. SAFE is particularly important in Douglas County, 
home of the last concentration of 500 greater sage grouse and 
coarse sharp tailed grouse populations on mostly private 
working lands.
    Because of the shared benefits for people and wildlife, 
Douglas County agricultural producers have embraced the farm 
bill's incentive-based conservation programs and enrolled 
nearly 73,000 acres in SAFE in Douglas County.
    Unfortunately, the efforts and partnerships formed through 
SAFE in Washington, as well as in Idaho and Texas, have been 
hindered by the changes in the initiative in the 2018 Farm 
Bill. The legislation struck the broad waiver language that 
allowed the counties cropland acreage enrolled in CRP to exceed 
25 percent--okay. I'll talk fast--and makes only the CRP 
program eligible for the waiver.
    In Washington, Douglas County has reached its CRP cap and 
cannot enroll additional acres in the program, leaving 
producers to potentially resume farming operations or sell 
their land to development. The loss of CRP acres will impact 
habitat on much of the 600,000 acres of prairie grouse habitat 
impacted by the fires in 2020.
    The solution to the issue is needed by 2025, or else large 
amounts of SAFE acres will start expiring. We, along with our 
partners, request that the farm bill reinstate SAFE's 
eligibility for the cap waiver. Thank you. I'm sorry.

  STATEMENT OF LULU REDDER, OWNER/OPERATOR, FERAL WOMAN FARM, 
                      LLC, NORTH BEND, WA

    Ms. Redder. Good morning. Thanks for being here today. My 
name is Lulu Redder, and I'm a first-generation farmer, an 
owner/operator of Feral Woman Farm in North Bend, Washington. 
It's a 10 acre farm where we raise pastured pork and chicken 
and teach educational workshops and offer opportunities for 
kids to interact with farm animals and learn about agriculture.
    This is Rosie. She is a second-generation farmer and my PR 
manager. So, as a livestock farmer, access to state and USDA 
licensed processing facilities is essential to my ability to 
sell my products and the survival of my business and also that 
of many other small-scale farmers in the region. We have a lot 
of little farmers around here.
    In the past few years, we've seen a couple regional USDA 
processing projects start and not yet reach the point of 
completion where they can serve customers. We have also during 
this time seen several state licensed processing facilities 
either have to close, move, or not make it as a business. And 
this is dangerous and a debilitating situation for a lot of 
small farmers who raise meat products.
    With the fallout of COVID-19, this has exposed some huge 
gaps in our commercial meat processing systems, and our 
customers are demanding more locally produced meats than ever 
before. Our meat products need to be processed through local, 
state licensed facilities, and these facilities have not been 
able to keep up with the demand of many of our local farmers, 
leaving us scrambling to process our livestock.
    Many need to make appointments for butcher services as far 
as a year and a half in advance, sometimes before our livestock 
are even born. And so, I would love to see the government step 
in to financially and infrastructurally make essential meat 
processing services reliably and conveniently available 
regionally to the low-volume meat producers that need them 
most. Thank you.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you. May I ask, do you work 
cooperatively with other small producers, and how do you try 
and create the logistics for the meat processing?
    Ms. Redder. I actually did a Kickstarter campaign last year 
and raised through my community $25,000 to fund the build of a 
WSDA poultry and rabbit processing unit, which is currently in 
construction. I hope to have it done by the end of the year. 
And so, through that, I hope I can co-op with some of my local 
farm neighbors to make that available to people.
    Ms. Plaskett. Okay. Thank you.
    Ms. Redder. Thanks.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you very much.

 STATEMENT OF HON. BETH DOGLIO, WOODINVILLE, WA; ON BEHALF OF 
               GRETCHEN GARTH, FOUNDER, 21 ACRES

    Ms. Doglio. Well, thank you so much for this opportunity. I 
have learned an incredible amount today. So, I really 
appreciate you doing this here in Washington State, 
Representative Schrier.
    I'm Beth Dolio. I'm testifying on behalf of Gretchen Garth, 
who is the owner of 21-acre regenerative farm in Woodinville, 
Washington. And I first want to just thank all the farmers in 
the room who help bring food to my table and to tables across 
the state and across the nation and even in the world.
    I also just want to reiterate SNAP benefits. I want to make 
sure that every baby has the same big cheeks that Rosie has. 
So, I hope that that will be expanded.
    So, the farm bill really offers an opportunity to scale up 
funding in climate-smart agriculture and forestry and support 
the rural clean energy economy. The funding can help farmers 
invest in regenerative agriculture practices, improving soil 
health, utilize soil to sequester carbon, and move toward 
electrifying operations.
    The 2023 Farm Bill can break significant ground on the 
pathways for regenerative agriculture, and we would like to see 
the following prioritized.
    Cover crops. A regenerative practice that offers a 
multitude of benefits, cover crops can help farmers maintain 
productivity in the face of climate change. Congress should 
expand on this important program and authorize a permanent 
incentive for farmers who use cover crops and build soil 
health.
    And then more on soil health. The 2018 Farm Bill created a 
visionary program operated by the Natural Resources 
Conservation Service to test the implementation and adoption of 
soil health practices. Would love to see that program become 
permanent and expanded to allow more farmers and more regions 
to benefit from innovations in advancing soil health.
    Finally, I have spent many years working on the REAP 
program. This is a program that encourages solar energy, wind, 
electrification on the farm, and we have a great opportunity to 
expand and strengthen that program to decarbonize energy 
sources and electrify energy uses.
    So, we encourage Congress to substantially increase REAP 
mandatory funding from the $50 million up to the ask is $500 
million per year, and would love to see an initial investment, 
particularly as we're trying to electrify all aspects of how we 
power ourselves, and that would be really good on the farm. So, 
thank you so much, and I really appreciate this hearing.
    Ms. Plaskett. Okay. Nathaniel Lewis, Todd Murray, Bobbi 
Lindenmulder, Mary Perpy, and Ansley Roberts. Again, Nathaniel 
Lewis, Todd Murray, Bobbi Lindenmulder, Mary Perpy, and Ansley 
Roberts.

STATEMENT OF NATHANIEL LEWIS, CONSERVATION MANAGER, WASHINGTON 
                  FARMLAND TRUST, SEATTLE, WA

    Mr. Lewis. Hi there. Nate Lewis, Washington Farmland Trust. 
I want to thank you all. Representative Schrier, you have a 
pretty diverse district. It goes from 60" of rain over here to 
less than 10" over there, and commend you for representing the 
district gracefully.
    And, Representative Plaskett, we had the honor of meeting 
you when you were first appointed in D.C. when you addressed 
the Organic Trade Association. So, I appreciate your unwavering 
support of the organic industry and your insistence that the 
organic industry remain open to new forms of agriculture. It's 
refreshing.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you. You farmers haven't run this city 
girl away yet. I'm still in it.
    Mr. Lewis. I want to talk a little bit about conservation 
programs that relate to land access. The Washington Farmland 
Trust has 28 protected farms across the state, over 3,000 acres 
that will never be developed and remain in agriculture.
    We're continuing to see land access as being kind of the 
number one barrier for young farmers to get into farming. The 
people are out there. People want to farm. They just don't have 
access to the land. So, part of that is through the NRCS ACEP, 
the Agricultural Conservation Easement Program, we're 
increasingly finding that to be a difficult program to access 
as a land trust.
    Bureaucratic barriers that relate to the way the statute 
was written, the way the statute is being administered from 
state to state, and then specific policy decisions made by 
agents within states has made that decreasingly an option for 
us in accessing funds to put conservation easements on land and 
making that an opportunity.
    Another part of our shop at the Land Trust is our farm to 
farmer program, where we both link aspiring farmers with 
possible land, as well as provide those folks with resources. 
FSA continues to be kind of the well to draw from for these 
farm purchase loans, but they're increasingly becoming hard to 
access for young and aspiring farmers.
    Part of the reason is I know there's attention on 
historically underserved communities. Well, if you've been 
historically underserved, it's hard to access the programs that 
require a track record with the USDA.
    So, we're kind of in a pickle in that situation, and I 
think it's important in this next farm bill to look at where 
those internal conflicts exist so that these programs can 
actually become available and effective for these aspiring 
farmers who really just want a loan to go buy a farm and bring 
food to the market.
    So, I think really what we were looking for is just a deep 
review of these particular programs. Look where those conflicts 
are. Find solutions.
    And like I said, some of them require law changes. Some of 
them require policy issuances. Some of them just require a 
little bit more training for agents at the delivery scale. So, 
with that, I'll take any questions you may have and appreciate 
your time.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thanks, Nate.

         STATEMENT OF TODD MURRAY, DIRECTOR, PUYALLUP 
           RESEARCH AND EXTENSION CENTER, COLLEGE OF 
 AGRICULTURE, HUMAN, AND NATURAL RESOURCE SCIENCES, WASHINGTON 
                 STATE UNIVERSITY, PUYALLUP, WA

    Mr. Murray. Good morning. I wanted to thank you, Chair 
Plaskett and Congresswoman Schrier, for hosting this and giving 
us the opportunity to talk about the reauthorization of the 
farm bill. I also wanted to thank you for your continued 
support to the land-grant systems and the research and 
extension centers specifically.
    My name is Todd Murray. I'm the Director of the WSU 
Puyallup Research and Extension Center, and I'm here 
representing the four other research and extension centers in 
the state, so, Mount Vernon, Puyallup, Prosser, and Wenatchee. 
I'm here to really encourage your continued support for 
infrastructure, specifically on two aspects.
    Our deferred maintenance is significant and critical right 
now. We're at a point of no return for a lot of our 
infrastructure, and it really inhibits our ability to 
modernize.
    Just this past summer--I manage the research station just 
south of here. It was--it's only a few years younger than the 
Hatch Act. It's only 3 years younger than Pullman's main 
campus. And when you come visit us like you have, Congresswoman 
Schrier, you can tell. We're old, and we feel it.
    This last summer, we had a critical power failure, and this 
critical power failure really revealed the impact of our 
antiquated infrastructure. We're down to our last three fuses 
for our old boxes that are no longer made, and so, we're only 
one power failure away from we don't know what happens next.
    All our other stations have similar infrastructure issues 
like that. In Prosser, its heating and cooling. During the heat 
dome last year, they were unworkable in those conditions. We 
have steam leaks in Wenatchee, and it's really inhibited our 
ability to modernize these facilities, not only keeping up with 
our deferred maintenance.
    So, thank you again for your continued support of 
Washington State University specifically, and thank you for 
hosting this in your region.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you.

          STATEMENT OF BOBBI LINDEMULDER, AGRICULTURE 
           PROGRAM DIRECTOR, SNOHOMISH CONSERVATION 
                   DISTRICT, LAKE STEVENS, WA

    Ms. Lindemulder. Thank you so much for coming over here 
today. I'm Bobbi Lindemulder. I am the program Director for our 
Agriculture Program at Snohomish Conservation District. I've 
been in conservation for 25 years, helping landowners and 
private landowners trying to be as--and be successful in 
agriculture.
    The farm bill has been a huge part of that success, along 
with our partners with the Conservation Commission and NRCS. 
I'm also from this valley. I'm a grass-fed producer. So, 
welcome to my valley. I've also participated in farm bill for 
EQIP and conservation programs, and it has saved our farm.
    When you think of farm bill, it has long-reaching impacts 
and you can tell by the people in the room the importance of 
it, not only the importance of maintenance of it, but the 
increase in development as we go along a way to address the 
different things.
    I want to talk really specifically about EQIP voluntary 
incentive-based programing for agriculture, where people have 
to be really responsive and reactive and can't always just take 
the time to plan 3 or 4 years out that sometimes going through 
a farm bill process can take, whether it's staffing issues, 
engineering issues, bottlenecks along the way, red tape, 
bureaucracy. It takes a while to get through public programs 
and things like that.
    And I would love to come to a way to where we can have a 
landowner who's at the door ready to join the effort moving 
forward for water quality improvements and conservation, as 
well as agricultural sustainability, to get them through the 
door sooner than two or three years down the road.
    Also, really important is I would love to see some 
permitting opportunities and regulation alternatives written 
into the farm bill to help lenders through the process for BMP 
(Best Management Practices) implementation, where we're seeing, 
especially in the floodplain farming, where it's very 
difficult, that almost all the permitting and regulations cost 
more than the implementation of the project.

 STATEMENT OF MARY PURDY, M.S., R.D.N., SEATTLE, WA; ON BEHALF 
     OF COALITION FOR ORGANIC AND REGENERATIVE AGRICULTURE

    Ms. Purdy. Okay. Thank you. There seem to be five people in 
this list. So, I'm not sure. Want to make sure there we're all 
the right people in the space here because there were five 
people in line. Okay. Good.
    Anyway, hi. My name is Mary Purdy. Purdy. Not Perpy, but 
that sounds like a fun last name, too. And mine, I am an eco-
dietitian here in Seattle. I'm faculty at Bastyr University and 
on the Governing Council of CORA, which is the Coalition for 
Organic and Regenerative Agriculture. And I teach ecological 
aspects of nutrition, as well as human nutrition and nutrition 
principles, and I bring the clinical nutrition and human health 
perspective and expertise here.
    I want to request that we increase or that you increase 
research and education, as well as access to regenerative 
farming techniques, organic farming techniques, and increase 
incentives for more environmentally friendly practices.
    There's a large body of evidence that demonstrates that 
crops that are grown using these kinds of agro-ecological 
practices increase the micronutrient density of many plants, 
increase the phytochemicals. These are those protective 
compounds that are found in plants that help to prevent and 
address disease--and that the excessive use of agrochemicals 
reduces biodiversity that affects human health, affects climate 
change, impacts soil health, reduces the ability of soil to be 
resilient to drought and flooding, increases micronutrient 
density of that soil.
    The runoff from those chemicals can affect communities. 
Very often, these are marginalized communities, communities of 
color. There's pollution from these agrochemicals also 
affecting communities of color and marginalized low-income 
communities.
    These are producing greenhouse gases, which we know are 
contributing to our climate crisis, and, of course, affecting 
wildlife and pollinators. And as we know, pollinators are 
responsible for about \1/3\ of every bite that you take on your 
plate.
    So, please consider these regenerative agricultural 
techniques, making them more accessible to people so that we 
can create a food system that not only supports our climate, 
our environment, but also supports the human health 
perspective. Thank you so much.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you.

     STATEMENT OF ANSLEY ROBERTS, FARM MANAGER, 21 ACRES, 
                        WOODINVILLE, WA

    Ms. Roberts. Thank you, Representative Schrier and 
Representative Plaskett, for having us today. I'm really 
excited to come and talk to you about opportunities facing--or 
to help small-scale farmers in our area.
    My name is Ansley Roberts. I'm the Farm Manager at 21 
Acres. We are a nonprofit focused on climate action through 
education on local food systems, agro-ecological land 
stewardship, and green building. We operate a small agro-
ecological farm in Woodinville, Washington that grows primarily 
mixed vegetable crops in the Sammamish Valley Agricultural 
Production District.
    And I'm testifying today because we believe that small 
farmers should be more robustly supported in our next iteration 
of the farm bill.
    In the height of the COVID-19 pandemic, regional small-
scale farmers rushed to fill the void created by disruptions in 
our industrial food system to both keep their businesses afloat 
and to address food access in their communities.
    Small farms are a vital part of our local economies and 
create an accessible route for more beginning young and diverse 
farmers to enter into the profession.
    And yet, from 1995 to 2020, 78 percent of the $187 billion 
in Federal funding for farmers went to the top ten percent of 
farms. Not investing in our small farmers is a lost opportunity 
to support their ongoing work towards climate mitigation and 
food security.
    There are many ways that we can support our small farmers 
in the next farm bill, including intentionally centering 
historically oppressed groups such as BIPOC, women, and queer 
farmers, who represent a large portion of our next generation 
of farmers. This can be achieved by increasing funding to the 
section 2501 grant program and eliminating or reducing matching 
funds needed to apply.
    We can also adapt all of our USDA programs to work for 
smaller-scale farmers, including moving away from acreage-based 
payouts for NRCS programs, increasing funding for FSA 
microloans, and then also we want to have a focus on increasing 
funding for technical assistance, research, implementation, and 
sustained funding for regenerative farming practices, and also 
creating a Federal equivalent to California's healthy soil 
initiatives.
    Last, I just want to say we want to stop paying industrial 
farms to accelerate climate change, and investing in small 
farmers means investing in young farmers' success, climate 
change mitigation, and food access for all. Thank you so much.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you. Joe Gruber, Nick Webster, Aaron 
Czyzewski, Kristin Ang, and Kat Morgan. Joe Gruber, Nick 
Webster, Aaron Czyzewski, Kristin Ang, and Kat Morgan. Thank 
you.

    STATEMENT OF JOE GRUBER, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, UNIVERSITY 
                DISTRICT FOOD BANK, SEATTLE, WA

    Mr. Gruber. Hello, Madam Chair and Congresswoman Schrier. 
Thank you for coming to King County, ancestral land of the 
Coast Salish peoples, including the Duwamish. My name is Joe 
Gruber, and I'm Executive Director of the University District 
Food Bank in Seattle.
    Our food bank supports community members from across 
northeast Seattle, about 2,000 households every week. Our work 
is about improving food access for our neighbors who struggle. 
We ensure that healthy, culturally familiar foods are reliably 
available during hours that are easy to access in three 
locations which are convenient to travel to, using a shopping 
system that maximizes customer choice.
    This includes a weekly pantry at a local community college, 
and our staff social worker connects customers to programs like 
SNAP, which makes surviving on a low income in our city a 
little easier.
    Ultimately, Federal programs like SNAP have the power to 
promote food security and end poverty more effectively than 
pantries. This is as much true for college students as it is 
for families and seniors. SNAP buys the specific foods that 
families need, and SNAP dollars buffer the impact of rising 
rents and ever-changing work schedule, expensive child care, 
and the pressures of inflation. But SNAP doesn't work equally 
well for everyone.
    I ask that your work for the 2023 Farm Bill prioritize 
making SNAP more accessible and impactful for college students. 
The University District Food Bank is located adjacent to the 
University of Washington, and for nearly 40 years we've 
informally supported the campus community. It is not uncommon 
to hear from a donor or volunteer that their time as a student 
at UW included visits to our pantry.
    We were an accessible option for them when student aid ran 
out, when roommates couldn't pay rent, when finals took 
precedent over work, and even for students trying to be parents 
at the same time.
    In 2018, we hosted a Congressional hunger fellow to help us 
formalize our response to college hunger. Our nearby community 
college, North Seattle, shared that more than 40 percent of 
their students reported being food-insecure. It also 
highlighted the barriers for students in qualifying for and 
accessing SNAP. By evolving government policies to expand 
eligibility and improve SNAP, college students can reach a 
degree rather than drop out with debt.
    The 2023 Farm Bill should expand SNAP eligibility by 
removing the 20 hours per workweek requirement for students 
attending an institution of higher learning at least half time.
    Expand SNAP eligibility by removing the need for a Federal 
work study position. Washington State, only about three percent 
of students who are actually eligible for work study are fully 
able to participate, through no choice of their own.
    Expand SNAP eligibility to students with no expected family 
contribution for their higher education costs. Make this 
temporary change for COVID a permanent one, and expand SNAP 
access by removing purchase restrictions on hot prepared meals 
and by allowing SNAP benefits to be more easily spent on 
campus.
    These changes recognize the time demands on the student, as 
well as the fact that students often live in housing situations 
that aren't fit to cook full meals at home. Removing this 
restriction can positively impact other SNAP participants as 
well. Thank you for centering college students in the next farm 
bill.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you.

        STATEMENT OF NICK WEBSTER, ACCOUNTING ANALYST, 
    COMMUNITY ACTION COUNCIL OF LEWIS, MASON, AND THURSTON 
                      COUNTIES, LACEY, WA

    Mr. Webster. Hello. My name is Nick Webster. I'm an 
Accounting Analyst with the Community Action Council of Lewis, 
Mason, and Thurston Counties. We are the TEFAP contractor for 
the area Kitsap, Lewis, Mason, and Thurston Counties, an area 
with 700,000 people.
    We store and distribute TEFAP food to over 40 food banks 
and pantries and meal programs in the area. In an average 
month, our agencies provide over 24,000 people with food and 
serve over 25,000 prepared meals. When I was growing up, I was 
actually one of those people. So, it's nice to be able to give 
back to my community in that way.
    Most of the funding for TEFAP goes directly to purchasing 
food for the program. However, part of that funding goes to 
operational expenses. That goes to purchasing equipment, paying 
employee salaries, distribution costs, fuel for vehicles.
    Many of the subcontractors, many of our food banks are 
entirely volunteer run, and it does take skills to be able to--
I mean, it does take money to be able to hire skilled employees 
to be able to do some of the necessary administrative work, 
like what I do.
    I would like to be able to volunteer to do some of this, 
but without the funding--without the TEFAP funding, I certainly 
would--without--I certainly wouldn't be able to. And I'd like--
I'd just like to focus on that to make sure that in the farm 
bill that that operational funding is a focus. Thank you.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you.

  STATEMENT OF AARON CZYZEWSKI, DIRECTOR OF ADVOCACY & PUBLIC 
               POLICY, FOOD LIFELINE, SEATTLE, WA

    Mr. Czyzewski. Greetings. I am Aaron Czyzewski on behalf of 
Food Lifeline, the Feeding America affiliate serving hunger 
relief agencies across western Washington. So, thank you, Madam 
Chair and Representative Schrier and the Committee, for coming 
to Washington. To be sure, this is the best time and a great 
place to start writing a new farm bill.
    What we learned from the 2018 Farm Bill is that it did not 
fully equip hunger relief efforts in food banks, which are 
essentially the nation's stockpile for emergency food for any 
major disruption. The pandemic experience served, however, as a 
pressure test of our state's food and hunger relief systems, 
showing weakness but also important strengths like newfound 
collaboration, ingenuity, and in total, it was a demonstration 
project for how much better states can deliver government 
support when given flexibilities, waivers, resources, and local 
control.
    So, we need a farm bill that strengthens food security and 
local food systems to be equitable, resilient, sustainable, and 
efficient. Also, overarching within the scope of the farm bill 
is equipping states to deal with climate impacts.
    While our focus is on food security, we need growers to 
thrive, especially as we source more local, sustainable, and 
culturally significant food from nearby growers. Please elevate 
local purchase through TEFAP and any other means as a priority.
    No contemplation of TEFAP, however, is complete without 
full funding for storage and distribution. So, for the nation's 
60,000 food pantries, 200 food banks that do this work, please 
jot down $400 million as a starting point for this crucial 
support.
    Importantly, the next farm bill must work for Native 
Americans and Alaska Natives. To get there, allow tribal 
governments to administer Federal programs, allowing SNAP 
participants to also receive benefits from the Food 
Distribution Program on Indian Reservations.
    Dedicate 20 percent of USDA set aside within each of USDA's 
existing programs to support Tribal organizations, Tribal 
governments, native nonprofits, and native producers, and give 
Tribal governments full authority to function as government 
agencies in administering Federal nutrition programs. Thank you 
very much.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you.

  STATEMENT OF HON. KRISTIN ANG, POLICY ENGAGEMENT DIRECTOR, 
                FAITH ACTION NETWORK, TACOMA, WA

    Ms. Ang. Thank you, Chair Plaskett and Representative 
Schrier and staff. My name is Kristin Ang. I'm the state Policy 
Engagement Director for Faith Action Network, FAN for short. 
We're a multi-faith nonprofit with over 160 faith communities 
across Washington State.
    Our faith communities are often front line serving to food- 
and housing-insecure families, individuals, and work closely 
with immigrant populations.
    We've witnessed firsthand the pandemic's exacerbating 
effects on hunger issues, and we ask for improvements in SNAP, 
our best line of defense against hunger, because we can't deal 
with hunger with faith community charity alone.
    We believe that by increasing access to SNAP, it equals to 
an equitable economic recovery, more local dollar spent, and 
financial support for our farmers.
    Ways for improvement that we see is ensuring more working 
poor households can enroll in SNAP by increasing the 
eligibility to 200 percent of the Federal poverty level, which 
is still very low.
    We'd also like support for people paying high housing 
costs, rising rents, as we've seen, and eliminate raising the 
cap on shelter deduction. Our immigrants here are our 
neighbors. They contribute to our communities and to our 
workforce, particularly in agricultural. They should not go 
hungry. And so, we would like to see a reversal of the 
discriminatory policy of prohibiting SNAP to eligible green 
card holders by repealing the five-year bar for SNAP, TANF, and 
Medicaid.
    Also, housing and food security is essential for reentry, 
successful reentry. So, we also ask for the end of the ban on 
SNAP and TANF for individuals with prior felonies. We also ask 
that you understand about the lifestyle and workforce that SNAP 
should be able to purchase hot foods and goods and also to 
permit more outreach--accessibility of outreach to other 
Federal programs because we believe you need to address poverty 
holistically and allow SNAP to do some outreach for other 
essential service, such as housing, employment, and because 
that's what it's going to take to uplift families. Thank you.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you. Mr. Czyzewski, I just wanted to 
share with you that there is a movement and legislation in the 
House that was authored by Congressman Jim Clyburn called 10-
20-30 (H.R. 6531, Targeting Resources to Communities in Need 
Act of 2022), which says that ten percent of discretionary 
funds of all Federal agencies should be directed at those 
communities that have had 20 percent or higher poverty rates 
for 30 or more years.
    We know that areas such as the ones that you're talking 
about, Tribal areas and others, would greatly benefit from 
that. So, thank you for your comments related to that.

        STATEMENT OF KATHRYN ``KAT'' MORGAN, ASSOCIATE 
            DIRECTOR FOR PUGET SOUND CONSERVATION, 
          WASHINGTON CHAPTER, THE NATURE CONSERVANCY, 
                          SEATTLE, WA

    Ms. Morgan. Chair Plaskett and Congresswoman Schrier, thank 
you for this opportunity. My name is Kat Morgan. I'm the 
Associate Director for Puget Sound Conservation for The Nature 
Conservancy in Washington. We engage in a wide variety of farm 
bill programs and will be developing a policy platform for the 
entire conservation title.
    My testimony today will highlight just a few priorities 
that are especially important to us in Washington State, such 
as incentives for riparian restoration and protection, 
improving program delivery, and promoting carbon sequestration.
    First, we encourage the Committee to look at ways to 
increase voluntary incentive programs for riparian habitat 
restoration and protection. These are key strategies for 
recovering endangered salmon, which is critical to Tribal 
treaty rights and to our region's economy and ecology.
    We urge the Committee to explore ways to increase funding 
and expand program options to improve riparian habitat, 
increase water quality, and decrease stream temperatures while 
improving agricultural viability and income to farmers through 
programs such as CRP and EQIP.
    This is also an opportunity to examine changes that could 
increase landowner participation in these programs, such as 
modifying program design or increasing payment rates.
    Second, improving program delivery. We urge the Committee 
to look at ways to improve program delivery so that critical 
conservation dollars can hit the ground efficiently and 
effectively. There are numerous opportunities to streamline 
NRCS processes, encourage flexibility, and reduce 
administrative barriers to landowner participation.
    Also, in the past several years NRCS has been severely 
understaffed in our state. Ensuring adequate staffing for 
technical assistance and program implementation is critical to 
seeing these investments reach the ground in Washington.
    Third, promoting carbon sequestration on forest and ag 
lands. As we face the climate crisis, we know these lands play 
a critical role in reducing emissions.
    We urge the Committee to increase funding for all programs 
in the conservation title that help landowners improve forest 
carbon, soil carbon, soil health, adaptation, and resilience. 
Thank you.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you. Is that it? Okay. Thank you. The 
next group is Linda Neunzig, Sara Seelmeyer, Jay Ken, Marcia 
Wright-Soika, Kathy Baker, and Ben Atkinson. Linda Neunzig, 
Sarah Seelmeyer, Jay Ken, Marcia Wright-Soika, Kathy Baker, and 
Ben Atkinson. Thank you.
    Ms. Neunzig. Good afternoon. I guess it's still morning. 
Good morning, Chair Plaskett.
    Ms. Plaskett. Good morning.

        STATEMENT OF LINDA NEUNZIG, COUNTY AGRICULTURE 
           COORDINATOR, SNOHOMISH COUNTY DIVISION OF 
        CONSERVATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES, EVERETT, WA

    Ms. Neunzig. Thank you, Representative Schrier, for holding 
this today and bringing this important opportunity to 
Washington State. It's very important to all of us to be able 
to have a say in the Farm Bureau and in the farm bill and to be 
heard.
    Snohomish County, which is the county just south of here, 
is one of the fastest growing counties in the nation. We are 
seeing other counties like King County, Seattle moving south, 
which puts a tremendous amount of strain on our farmland. In 
some places, it's just up for grabs, but that farmland can't be 
replaced. We need to be able to preserve that farmland and do 
it fast.
    When we do a purchase to development rights program, it 
takes three different funding sources and takes a minimum of 2 
years to be able to preserve that farmland. But we don't have 2 
years to do it. We need a faster way to be able to come in and 
get that done.
    And I believe somebody earlier talked about the ACEP 
program and the funding for that ACEP program. It's very 
important, but what are the other ways that we can get in 
quickly and protect that farmland before it's gone?
    Snohomish County has one of the fastest rates of new 
farmers coming into farm. We're not losing farmers. We're 
gaining farmers.
    Our farmgate value is increasing with each Census. We have 
people calling every day wanting to know how they can come to 
Snohomish County and farm. So, how do we do that? We have to 
have the farmland to do it.
    Second, when we do get those new farmers and they're 
starting their new farm, we need to be able to help protect 
them with insurance as well.
    They can't go to the Farm Service Agency and sign up like 
we do for corn or we do for soybeans, which we don't grow here, 
but you know what I mean? So, what about them? How do we take 
care of them as well?
    My 2 minutes are up. So, thank you again.

          STATEMENT OF SARA SEELMEYER, FOOD SECURITY 
          PROGRAM MANAGER, UNITED WAY OF KING COUNTY, 
                          SEATTLE, WA

    Ms. Seelmeyer. Good morning. My name is Sara Seelmeyer and 
I'm United Way of King County's senior manager of food security 
and benefits access. I'm speaking today regarding SNAP 
eligibility, particularly with regards to college students.
    Students go to college because they want to meaningfully 
contribute to their communities and the economy, but college 
students across the country are struggling to afford food and 
to meet their basic needs. Since 2016, United Way's Bridge to 
Finish program has partnered with the community and technical 
college campuses to help thousands of low-income students get 
the financial supports they need to stay in school.
    While SNAP is the foundation of our country's food security 
safety net, eligibility requirements for college students are 
complex and inequitable, as college attendance isn't considered 
the same as work for the purposes of determining eligibility.
    We have worked with countless students who are denied SNAP 
benefits because they are not able to work 20 hours per week 
while also attending school full-time and fulfilling other 
responsibilities like childcare or elder care. We've worked 
with students who are only eating one meal a day to save money 
or who are buying groceries using high interest credit cards 
because that's their only option.
    These patterns are widespread. In 2019, research by the 
Hope Center showed that less than \1/3\ of food-insecure 
students in Washington received SNAP benefits. Changes in 
Federal law during the COVID-19 pandemic have alleviated many 
of these challenges.
    The temporary exemptions that expanded SNAP eligibility to 
students who are eligible for work study or have an expected 
family contribution of zero have streamlined eligibility, 
outreach, and enrollment in SNAP for college students across 
our region.
    In the farm bill, we request that you lower barriers to 
SNAP participation among college students, including treating 
attendance at an institution of higher education as the same as 
work for the purposes of determining eligibility. We appreciate 
your attention to this matter. Thank you.

          STATEMENT OF MARCIA WRIGHT-SOIKA, EXECUTIVE 
         DIRECTOR, FamilyWorks FOOD BANK AND RESOURCE 
                      CENTER, SEATTLE, WA

    Ms. Wright-Soika. Good morning, Congresswoman Schrier and 
Madam Chair, Ms. Plaskett, and Members of the Committee. I am 
Marcia Wright-Soika, and I'm the Executive Director of 
FamilyWorks, which is a food access and family services 
organization in north Seattle.
    While the last 2 pandemic years have brought tremendous 
hardship, it has also brought the opportunity for us to learn, 
pursue food justice with the farm bill, and invest in citizens 
who are the furthest away from that justice. Our food bank is 
one of many that relies on TEFAP, but we know how much better 
it could be if it expanded flexible purchasing to local small 
farmers and producers and brought fresh foods to food banks and 
pantries.
    The people we serve need this access. Each week we have 
fewer options and higher demand. In a recent survey, our food 
bank participants requested more vegetables, less sugar, and 
more organic items.
    Eighty-seven percent said fruits and vegetables were the 
most needed item in their household. One person said access to 
fresh farm foods means that my family can be healthy.
    Unfortunately, these choices are taken away from us when we 
receive canned or bulky TEFAP commodities that our program 
participants cannot use, that are not culturally relevant, that 
we cannot refuse to accept, that stay on our shelves until they 
ultimately contribute to waste.
    We can make different choices. A small Federal grant to 
support farm purchasing gave FamilyWorks the ability to become 
one of the biggest customers of a small, brand-new woman owned 
farm in 2020.
    We can choose to invest in local farmers and producers. We 
can choose to expand program income eligibility to at least 250 
percent at a time when low-income and middle-class families are 
stretched to their limits.
    I urge Congress to improve the TEFAP program and choose 
justice. Thank you.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you.

   STATEMENT OF BEN ATKINSON, M.S., R.D.N., C.D., ASSISTANT 
          DIRECTOR, CHILD NUTRITION/DIETITIAN, CHILD 
 NUTRITION SERVICES, AUBURN SCHOOL DISTRICT NO. 408; DELEGATE, 
 WASHINGTON STATE ACADEMY OF NUTRITION AND DIETETICS, KENT, WA

    Mr. Atkinson. Hi. My name is Ben Atkinson. I live and work 
in Dr. Schrier's district. I work for the Auburn School 
District, and I'm also representing the state professional 
organization of dietitians. I would like the farm bill to help 
connect large organizations like schools, hospitals, food banks 
to local farms and producers.
    I have two quick examples of how this has worked in the 
past. At Harborview Medical Center, where I previously worked, 
we had a Fresh Bucks produce prescription program where 
clinicians provided patients throughout King County with 
coupons for free produce at farmers' markets and grocery 
stores. That was part of the FINI program in 2014 Farm Bill.
    As we can all imagine, if a person is committed to 
improving their diet by talking with a dietitian like me or a 
doctor like Dr. Schrier, removing that financial barrier to do 
that right then and there is huge.
    Second quick example. At Auburn School District, we have a 
farm to school grant where we've made wonderful connections 
with some local farms and producers, including the Small Cherry 
Orchard in Tenaska at Washington that we got 500 pounds from 
this morning.
    In our current summer meals program, we are serving 
thousands of meals per day, including some local carrots, which 
we keep the leaves on, which looks really cool to the kids and 
starts conversations about what that carrot is and where it 
came from.
    So, I just want to make sure that the farm bill continues 
to get healthy and tasty food to our local communities by 
facilitating partnerships with local growers and buyers. 
Thanks.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Next group 
is Aimee Simpson. Yeah. Oh, is Ms. Baker? No? Okay. Aimee 
Simpson, Tom Salzer, Thomas Reynolds, Ali Lee, Keaton Hille, I 
believe. Okay. Aimee Simpson, Tom Salazar, Thomas Reynolds, Ali 
Lee, Keaton Hille. Thank you.

STATEMENT OF AIMEE SIMPSON, J.D., SENIOR DIRECTOR OF ADVOCACY & 
  ENVIRONMENTAL SOCIAL AND GOVERNANCE, PUGET CONSUMERS CO-OP 
                      COMMUNITY MARKETS, 
                          SEATTLE, WA

    Ms. Simpson. Thank you so much. I'm Aimee Simpson. I'm the 
Senior Director of Advocacy and ESG for PCC Community Markets. 
We are a community-owned food cooperative in the Puget Sound 
region with 16 stores, and our mission is to ensure that we are 
supporting our communities with good food while we cultivate a 
vibrant local and organic food system.
    It is essential in this next farm bill that we continue to 
support our organic producers and the certification system that 
we have there. That is something that, as a retailer, we rely 
on so that we know that we are being transparent and have 
verified practices when we are trying to say, ``Hey, we're 
supporting climate-smart agriculture. We're supporting things 
that don't harm our salmon. We're supporting ways that we know 
look out for biodiversity and everything that we know our 
consumers care about.''
    To do that, we recommend a few items in this next farm 
bill. First, we want to see a more robust organic food system 
support plan. So, that would be increasing cost-share up to 
$1,500. This is a barrier.
    The increasing prices we are hearing are a barrier, 
especially for our smaller producers. So, we need to see that 
support for their certification increase.
    We also would like to see better technical assistance, and 
we'd like to see that done through collaboration between land-
grant universities, nonprofits being able to provide more 
mentorship and technical assistance to our organic farmers.
    And next, we also--and people have spoken to this. We need 
to remove barriers for our young and producers of color to get 
better resources and access.
    The next piece is we have to continue to strengthen 
organic, and for that we do support legislation that would put 
in place a process to have more transparency and better 
timelines to take NOSB recommendations into rule makings and 
continue to make sure that organic responds and grows as we 
learn more about what we need to do for our climate-smart 
agriculture.
    Last, everyone deserves access to good food. So, please 
continue to expand SNAP benefits and make sure that organic is 
a part of that. Thank you.

         STATEMENT OF TOM SALZER, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, 
 WASHINGTON ASSOCIATION OF CONSERVATION DISTRICTS, OLYMPIA, WA

    Mr. Salzer. Chair Plaskett, Congresswoman Schrier, thank 
you for having this today. My name is Tom Salzer. I'm the 
Executive Director of the Washington Association of 
Conservation Districts. We serve as the voice of 45 local 
conservation districts who deliver conservation on the ground 
every day in Washington State. So, thank you for having us 
today.
    I rise very briefly to reinforce the 11 farm bill 
priorities that, if you haven't heard, you will heard from the 
National Association of Conservation Districts. WACD is a 
member of NACD, and we support that.
    I also want to touch very briefly on equity. Equity is a 
huge issue in our farming and ranching communities, and we must 
find ways to uplift underserved communities and farmers without 
reducing services to our existing traditional farm base.
    There is fear out there in our farming communities that 
this focus on equity is going to somehow harm our traditional 
large and small farmers. It's not about large and small. It's 
about bringing resilient, safe food systems accessible to 
everyone in our state. So, with that, thank you.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you.

    STATEMENT OF THOMAS REYNOLDS, CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, 
                 NORTHWEST HARVEST, SEATTLE, WA

    Mr. Reynolds. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, 
Congresswoman Schrier. I'm Thomas Reynolds. I'm the CEO of 
Northwest Harvest. We are growing food justice through 
collective action.
    Many people have already talked about SNAP. I'm not going 
to say much about it, but SNAP reduces food insecurity. Gains 
in SNAP is a reduction in the indignity and the psychological 
worry of not knowing how you're going to feed yourself and how 
you're going to feed your kids.
    But let me talk about small farmers here in Washington 
State; 29,000 of our farms, orchards, and ranches are operated 
as family farms, and as an organization who distributes fresh 
fruits and vegetables across the State of Washington. I'm 
concerned about the long-term vibrancy of our farm families 
here in Washington.
    We are just nearing the completion of a largest of its kind 
distribution center in Yakima. I want to make sure that the 
farm families around us are able to be strong and successful 
and able to practice their craft for generations into the 
future.
    I'd like to see financing mechanisms that work for farming 
families. I was talking with a farmer in Yakima on Monday, and 
they were describing how from the time that they buy inputs and 
they plant their crops and the time that they're sold or they 
receive their funding for those crops is 18 months.
    Surely the farm bill can begin to think about finding 
financing options that make sense for small farmers.
    I also want to just talk about the need for appropriate 
technology and appropriate services for farm families around 
Washington State. Those are also very important options for 
smallholder farmers. Thank you so much.

 STATEMENT OF ALI LEE, WOODINVILLE, WA; ON BEHALF OF GRETCHEN 
      GARTH, FOUNDER, 21 ACRES; COALITION FOR ORGANIC AND 
REGENERATIVE AGRICULTURE; ANNE SCHWARTZ, OWNER, BLUE HERON FARM

    Ms. Lee. Hi. Good afternoon and thank you for being here 
and thank you for the opportunity to testify.
    My name is Ali Lee, and I'm here to testify on behalf of 
Gretchen Garth, owner of 21 Acres regenerative farm in 
Woodinville, Washington. And I'm also a member of the CORA 
Governing Council.
    As you may know, Washington is a major agricultural state. 
In fact, we have more than 39,000 farms operating in more than 
15 million acres. The Evergreen State produces 300 commercial 
crops and livestock products that value $7.9 billion for 
Washington farmers and ranchers.
    We believe that how we farm and how we power our operations 
can be a significant climate solution and ask that the farm 
bill contain enhanced funding to encourage regenerative farming 
practices while also reducing the use of fossil fuels in 
farming operations.
    Under Title XI, the Federal Crop Insurance Program should 
be reformed to encourage soil conservation practices. Congress 
should create a program that adjusts insurance rates to farmers 
who practice reduced harms for crops caused by drought, flood, 
intense heat, and other extreme weather made worse by climate 
change. These rates adjustments can increase the adoption of 
regenerative practices, improve soil health, and mitigate 
damages for crops.
    The other quickest way to offer incentives for good 
stewardship under the FCIP may be to expand and extend the 
Pandemic Cover Crop Program, the PCCP.
    Additionally, we would like to see increased funding for 
cover of purchase of large equipment such as electric tractors 
and tool sharing. It's been noted that the 21 Acres staff has 
found that tool sharing offers an opportunity to reduce cost on 
the farm and to build community.
    We ask that Congress please ensure the program funding be 
equitable, distributed for small, beginning, and socially 
disadvantaged farmers. This will help by then making easier 
pathways for funding.
    Finally, we ask that there is an increase in funding to 
provide for electrification, such as for EV chargers, and that 
is coupled then with an array of solar opportunities. This will 
reduce energy costs and reduce the use of fossil fuels that 
contribute to climate change.
    And I was wondering, Madam Chair and Congresswoman Schrier, 
if I could read one sentence from a farmer who couldn't make it 
today. Would that be all right? Thank you.
    So, Anne Schwartz, who is also a part of the governing 
committee for CORA, she wanted to then ask or request a 
continued increase for funding for historic organic research 
funding, OREI, SARE, cost-share, and conservation stewardship 
programs. Thank you so much for your time.

       STATEMENT OF KEATON G. HILLE, J.D., REAL ESTATE & 
CONSTRUCTION ATTORNEY, HANSON BAKER ATTORNEYS, BELLEVUE, WA; ON 
                   BEHALF OF DUCKS UNLIMITED

    Mr. Hille. Good afternoon, Representative Schrier and Chair 
Plaskett. My name is Keaton Hille. I'm an attorney and a 
partner at a law firm in Bellevue, but in my heart, I'm always 
a farm kid from eastern Washington.
    I grew up in a tiny town, and a lot of the issues that were 
present when I left home 20 years ago are still being addressed 
today. So, I appreciate all of your hard work and the people 
who have spoken about that today.
    But I'm actually here today on behalf of Ducks Unlimited. 
For those of you who don't know, Ducks Unlimited is the largest 
waterfowl conservation organization in the world. We have over 
one million members, 3,000 of which reside here in the State of 
Washington. So, I'm honored to be here on their behalf.
    As it relates to why we're here today, the farm bill, Ducks 
Unlimited is in full support of the conservation programs 
included in the farm bill.
    They are a key component of the safety net used by farmers 
and ranchers that both maximize on-farm efficiency and 
productivity and also maintain the soil health, water quality, 
and wildlife habitat on their lands.
    As you probably all know, conservation is in high demand 
across the country. We and our partners respectfully request 
that you and your colleagues strengthen support for the most 
efficient and important conservation programs in the farm bill.
    These include, among others, the programs that support 
strong wetland and grassland protections. We also support 
strong funding for making the working lands programs continue 
to be viable. These include the Regional Conservation 
Partnership Program, EQIP, which you've also heard others speak 
about today, the Conservation Stewardship Program.
    In addition, we would like to see a robust Agricultural 
Conservation Easement Program. And this in particular, that's 
worth noting, is in such high demand that the resources just 
cannot meet the demand.
    And finally, we want to see continued improvement of the 
Conservation Reserve Program, which can be done through both 
expanded grazing opportunities and access--excuse me, allowing 
farmers and ranchers access to that program.
    In closing, Ducks Unlimited and its members, such as 
myself, look forward to working with you, Representative 
Schrier and Chair Plaskett, and the other Members of the 
Committee in writing the 2023 Farm Bill. Thank you so much.
    Ms. Plaskett. Thank you. I think at this time we're going 
to move to closing. We tried to go a little longer. 
Congresswoman Schrier wanted to hear from more of you. And at 
this time, I'll turn it over to you, Congresswoman Schrier, if 
you have any remarks you'd like to give.
    Ms. Schier. Thank you, Madam Chair. This has been an 
incredible listening session for us. I mean, we had well over 
100 people here from all different backgrounds, food banks, 
hunger programs, forestry, farming, dairy farming, ranching, 
small, large, Ducks Unlimited.
    This has really been an incredible opportunity for me to 
hear everybody all at once and for the Chair to hear directly 
from you. So, I want to thank you for coming and for sharing 
your stories. Please know we will probably be following up with 
you when it comes time to actually put pen to paper.
    I wanted to give some very special thank yous. First, to 
Chair Plaskett for making the journey out to Washington State. 
To Gary and Bonnie Remlinger, who have welcomed us into this 
beautiful facility. To Cheryl, who did all of the set up for 
this event, and to everybody else who did the AV and everything 
else that made this possible.
    To the Agriculture Committee staffers who came out--thank 
you--to help with this event. To the King County Sheriff here 
keeping us safe, and it's always nice when they don't really 
have to keep us safe because everything is good. But thank you 
for being here. And then last, just on my team, a huge thank 
you to Gemma, who worked tirelessly to invite all of you and 
bring you and to Ari and to Louise, who heads my district 
office. So, thank you.
    Ms. Plaskett. Again, just echoing the words of my 
colleague. I want to thank you all for being here today this 
morning, the thoughtful comments about what we did right in the 
2018 Farm Bill, and what we may want to consider doing 
differently in the next one.
    Hearing from you here on the ground who are using or having 
tried to use the farm bill program is really invaluable to this 
review process that we have. I have eight pages of notes from 
today and topics from Specialty Crop Block Grant programs, 
concerns about labor and wages, support for organics, funding 
for pests and diseases, food access. Over and over we heard 
that, about local supply chain and resiliency, work on the 
conservation program, dairy assistance programs and organic 
dairy production, concerns about avian flu, egg, supply chain.
    SNAP. How many times did we hear about the SNAP program 
this morning and access and how to maximize opportunities? 
Program importance, program change suggestions, particularly 
for our college students, for those who are trying to get ahead 
and those with disabilities, disadvantaged farmers, wildfires, 
and forestry provisions, support for good neighbor authority, 
local and Federal collaboration, crop insurance, market 
assistance programs, increasing funding and trade, as well as 
soil health and TEFAP eligibility changes, given societal 
economic changes, trade and Technical Assistance for Specialty 
Crops.
    You guys have touched on it all, and I'm really grateful 
for that. That has really been helpful as well.
    For those who did not want to make public comments and 
would like to share additional comments with us and the 
Agriculture Committee, Chairman David Scott and Ranking Member 
Glenn Thompson announced the online farm bill feedback form to 
gather direct input from producers, stakeholders, and consumers 
on how various farm bill programs are working for them.
    Thank you again to Congresswoman Schrier and her staff for 
their work. Thank you to the tremendous team and those on the 
ground. I as well want to thank the police officers on duty, 
Bruce Matthews and Greg McKinney. Thank you so much for what 
you do every day in this community to support so many people.
    And with that, the last but not least, we just, again, want 
to show our appreciation to Remlinger Farms and the staff here 
for hosting the event. Hope everyone enjoys the rest of your 
afternoon, and this listening session is now concluded.
    (Thereupon, the listening session was adjourned at 12:14 
p.m., P.D.T.)
    [Material submitted for inclusion in the record follows:]
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          Hon. Kim Schrier, a Representative in Congress from 
        Washington; Hon. Stacey E. Plaskett, a Delegate in Congress 
        from Virgin Islands
        
        
          Derek Sandison, Director, Washington State Department of 
        Agriculture
        
        
          Scot Hulbert, Ph.D., Associate Dean for Research, College of 
        Agriculture, Human, and Natural Resource Sciences, Washington 
        State University; Interim Director, Agricultural Research 
        Center, CAHNRS, WSU
        
        
          Mark Powers, President, Northwest Horticultural Council 
        
        
          Jon DeVaney, President, Washington State Tree Fruit 
        Association
        
        
          Stacey Crnich, Chief Executive Officer, Bonney Lake Food Bank 

        
        
          Jay Kehne, Sagelands Heritage Program Lead, Conservation 
        Northwest 
        
        
          Jim Wilcox, Chairman, Wilcox Family Farms
        
        
          Jeremy Visser, Member, Board of Directors, Northwest 
        Dairymen's Association, Dairy Gold
        
        
          Ryan D. Mensonides, Co-Owner, Co-Manager, Chief Executive 
        Officer, Mount Rainier Creamery & Market
        
        
          Claire Lane, Director, Anti-Hunger and Nutrition Coalition 
        
        
          Scott Gail, Bio-Farm Manager, Spokane Conservation District
        
        
          Ty Meyer, Production Ag Manager, Spokane Conservation 
        District 
        
        
          Jeremy Vrablik, Owner, Cascadia Produce LLC 
        
        
          George L. Geissler, Washington State Forester, Deputy, 
        Wildland Fire and Forest Health/Resiliency, Washington 
        Department of Natural Resources 
        
        
          Marci Green, farmer, Green View Farms, Inc.; Past President, 
        Washington Association of Wheat Growers
        
        
          Chris Voigt, Executive Director, Washington State Potato 
        Commission 
        
        
          Britany Meiklen, Food Distribution Center Program Director, 
        Chelan-Douglas Community Action Council
        
        
          Tony Freytag, Executive Vice President, Crunch Pak, LLC 
        
        
          Brian Clark, Issaquah, WA 
        
        
          Christina Wong, Director, Public Policy & Advocacy, Northwest 
        Harvest
        
        
          Jim Werkhoven, President, Werkhoven Dairy Inc.
        
        
          Chris Pettit, Executive Director, Washington State 
        Conservation Commission
        
        
          Lindsay Gilliam, Executive Director, Carnation Farmers Market
        
        
          Angela ``Angie'' Reseland, Farm Bill Coordinator, Washington 
        Department of Fish and Wildlife
        
        
          Lulu Redder, Owner/Operator, Feral Woman Farm, LLC
        
        
          Hon. Beth Doglio, Woodinville, WA; on behalf of Gretchen 
        Garth, Founder, 21 Acres 
        
        
          Nathaniel Lewis, Conservation Manager, Washington Farmland 
        Trust 
        
        
          Todd Murray, Director, Puyallup Research and Extension 
        Center, College of Agriculture, Human, and Natural Resource 
        Sciences, Washington State University
        
        
          Bobbi Lindemulder, Agriculture Program Director, Snohomish 
        Conservation District 
        
        
          Mary Purdy, M.S., R.D.N., Seattle, WA; on behalf of Coalition 
        for Organic and Regenerative Agriculture 
        
        
          Ansley Roberts, Farm Manager, 21 Acres 
        
        
          Joe Gruber, Executive Director, University District Food Bank
        
        
          Nick Webster, Accounting Analyst, Community Action Council of 
        Lewis, Mason, and Thurston Counties
        
        
          Aaron Czyzewski, Director of Advocacy & Public Policy, Food 
        Lifeline
        
        
          Hon. Kristin Ang, Policy Engagement Director, Faith Action 
        Network 
        
        
          Kathryn ``Kat'' Morgan, Associate Director for Puget Sound 
        Conservation, Washington Chapter, The Nature Conservancy 
        
        
          Linda Neunzig, County Agriculture Coordinator, Snohomish 
        County Division of Conservation and Natural Resources 
        
        
          Sara Seelmeyer, Food Security Program Manager, United Way of 
        King County 
        
        
          Marcia Wright-Soika, Executive Director, FamilyWorks Food 
        Bank and Resource Center 
        
        
          Ben Atkinson, M.S., R.D.N., C.D., Assistant Director, Child 
        Nutrition/Dietitian, Child Nutrition Services, Auburn School 
        District No. 408; Delegate, Washington State Academy of 
        Nutrition and Dietetics
        
        
          Aimee Simpson, J.D., Senior Director of Advocacy & 
        Environmental Social and Governance, Puget Consumers Co-op 
        Community Markets
        
        
          Tom Salzer, Executive Director, Washington Association of 
        Conservation Districts
        
        
          Thomas Reynolds, Chief Executive Officer, Northwest Harvest
        
        
          Ali Lee, Woodinville, WA; on behalf of Gretchen Garth, 
        Founder, 21 Acres; Coalition for Organic and Regenerative 
        Agriculture; Anne Schwartz, Owner, Blue Heron Farm 
        
        
          Keaton G. Hille, J.D., Real Estate & Construction Attorney, 
        Hanson Baker Attorneys; on behalf of Ducks Unlimited 
        
        
          Hon. Kim Schrier, a Representative in Congress from 
        Washington; Hon. Stacey E. Plaskett, a Delegate in Congress 
        from Virgin Islands
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  Submitted Infographic by Derek Sandison, Director, Washington State 
                       Department of Agriculture




 
                     A 2022 REVIEW OF THE FARM BILL

                     (PERSPECTIVES FROM THE FIELD)

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                         MONDAY, JULY 25, 2022

                  House of Representatives,
                                  Committee on Agriculture,
                                                    Northfield, MN.
    The Committee met at 10:00 a.m., C.D.T., at Far-Gaze Farms, 
10180 90th St. E, Northfield, MN, Hon. Cheri Bustos presiding.
    Members present: Representatives Bustos and Craig.
    Staff present: Josh Tonsager, Emily Pliscott, John Konya, 
Victoria Maloch, and Anne Simmons.

  OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. CHERI BUSTOS, A REPRESENTATIVE IN 
                     CONGRESS FROM ILLINOIS

    Mrs. Bustos. Good morning, everyone. I'll wait until 
everybody's all set to go. What a great turnout. I am 
Congresswoman Cheri Bustos and you probably know this woman to 
my left, your Congresswoman, Angie Craig, and she'll speak in 
just a moment.
    I am from the State of Illinois and I'm a Downstater. We 
call it downstate if you're outside of Chicago land. And, so, 
does anybody--has anybody heard of John Deere?
    [Laughing].
    Mrs. Bustos. Well, I live about a mile down the road from 
where the combines are built at the East Moline Harvester 
Works, and my father-in-law, my brother-in-law all worked at 
John Deere until they retired, and so we're very, very pleased 
to see that in the background.
    We want to start out by thanking the Peterson family for 
hosting us. If we can hear it for the Peterson family.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you very much for your willingness to do 
this. Now, a couple things, this is an official, I call it an 
ag field hearing. This is instead of saying, hey, you come out 
to Washington and we want you to get in front of our committee, 
we're saying we're going to hit the road and we're going to go 
out and we're going to listen to people.
    This is designed 100 percent to listen to you. Now, a 
couple things that we want you to know about. This is official. 
It is being live streamed. We have millions and millions of 
people watching this, as you can imagine.
    [Laughing]
    Mrs. Bustos. It's like the thing that will go viral. So, 
but this is being live streamed. We, as you see, we started 
right at 10.00 a.m. sharp. We will end right at noon sharp. If 
you can follow these rules, each of you who has signed up and 
we asked you to fill out these cards if you wanted to speak, 
and if you did not, please raise your hand and we'll make sure 
that you get these cards.
    And that is because we need to know who you are. And we 
also, we're doing something a little different from our last 
field hearing. We didn't assign numbers and so we had this 
great big, long list of people that had to wait for a very long 
time standing up. We don't want to do that to you, so we 
assigned these numbers and I think they pretty much went in 
order of people who signed up.
    So, we'll call number one, et cetera, and we have the name 
here. All right. If for some reason you don't like to get in 
front of people and speak, that's okay too. You can enter 
anything you would like into the record. All right.
    So, this is officially called, A 2022 Review of the Farm 
Bill: Perspectives from the Field. Now what Congresswoman Craig 
and I are here to do is we want to help lay the foundation for 
the 2023 Farm Bill.
    And so, what you tell us is very, very important. You don't 
have to filter yourselves. We know you're all polite, so we 
don't have to worry about anything going wrong here, but you 
don't have to filter yourselves.
    We appreciate candor. We want to know what you think, what 
you want us to know, because writing this next farm bill 
impacts every one of your livelihoods. So, this is about you. 
All right.
    We are, again, in listening mode and let me see if there's 
anything else that I need to make sure. Oh, you will be limited 
to 3 minutes when you get up there to speak. Okay. And we do 
have a timekeeper. I'm not sure where--yes, are you like 
holding up a sign when they're--okay.
    So, we have a timekeeper here. She'll hold up a little sign 
that says when you're about at your 3 minutes. So, I think 
those are all of the remarks that we need to make at the 
beginning.
    Very quickly: I told you where I'm from, Moline, Illinois 
is--come visit. Has anybody ever been there to visit like the--
the John Deere visitor center? Isn't it awesome? Yes, but come 
and visit us sometime if you'd ever like to. Congresswoman 
Craig has been there. And, so, please come see us at any time.
    I've been on the Agriculture Committee for 10 years. I, as 
I said earlier, I chair the Subcommittee. I come from a long 
line of family, farmers, long. Everyone on my dad's side of the 
family without exception, they still farm to this day. So, 
that's a little bit about my background.
    Angie and I, before we got started, at exactly 9:59, we 
were exchanging pictures of our grandchildren. So, that is on 
the side, my grandson, our latest turned 2 today. So, we're 
pretty excited about that. He's wearing a shirt to school that 
has a farm scene and it says two on it. So, anybody have little 
kids? You know who Daniel Tiger is? So, that was his like 
little stuffed animal he was hugging in the picture.
    All right. Let me again, I know Congresswoman Angie Craig 
does not need an introduction, but let me brag on her very 
quickly. She works hard on your behalf every single day. Her 
voting record on all things agriculture is in line with what's 
important to all of you here.
    I think the world of her. She has a very good reputation in 
Washington, D.C. She is well respected. She is well liked. She 
understands how you have to work across the aisle, how you have 
to be bipartisan if you're going to get something done in 2022. 
So, with that, Congresswoman Angie Craig.
    [Applause].

  OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. ANGIE CRAIG, A REPRESENTATIVE IN 
                    CONGRESS FROM MINNESOTA

    Ms. Craig. Well, good morning and Chair Bustos, it's an 
absolute honor to have you here in Minnesota's second 
congressional district today. I see a number of members of my 
farm advisory council out here in the audience, and so, thank 
you so much for your service to our nation on the advisory 
council too.
    Before I go any further, let me just say thank you again to 
the Peterson family for allowing us to use this beautiful 
space. Just another round of applause, please for the Peterson 
family.
    [Applause].
    Ms. Craig. Bruce, Chris, Brian, you've welcomed us here 
today. I hope Les Anderson was cutting the lawn with you 
yesterday to get ready for us. So, I hope you put him to good 
work. This family represents what is great about America's ag 
families. These three guys work this farm together along with 
their three sons, a true family tradition, just like across 
America.
    I know not long ago and Congresswoman Bustos and I just got 
to see some family history of photographs of this farm not long 
ago in September 2018. We saw a vicious tornado tear right 
through this farm and many other places across Rice County. So, 
I'm so glad that you were able to rebuild and that you came 
through that okay.
    Family farms like this one across this nation are what 
makes America truly exceptional. Right now, in the second 
district of Minnesota, about 60 percent of the land is covered 
in corn and soybeans. And I always say that, that is just what 
makes this district so special, a mix of suburban and rural 
communities.
    There are a lot of people in Washington who support family 
farmers, and that's why I'm so proud to sit on the Agriculture 
Committee because we still know that it takes bipartisanship. I 
know that's pretty hard to find in Washington these days, but 
it is one of the most bipartisan committees in Washington, D.C. 
I am so proud to tell you all that I am the first Member of 
Congress in the history of the Congress to get year-round E15 
past the United States House of Representatives.
    [Applause].
    Ms. Craig. And I know that this Administration and the last 
were tired of hearing people like Cheri, Congresswoman Bustos 
and I talk about this and we know that you need some certainty. 
We don't need to go back to whatever administration is there, 
and I'll tell you the year--Year-Round Fuel Choice Act of 2021 
(H.R. 4410), which was part of the food and fuel package that 
passed the house last month, it was a little bit like whack-a-
mole trying to get that over the finish line with people 
popping off, but we were proud to get that done in a bipartisan 
basis.
    I know that there is a whole lot of work left to do though, 
and that the farm bill is going to be a really important time 
for us and I look forward to being there to negotiate the next 
farm bill on your behalf. And with that, I will stop talking. 
Most Members of Congress talk way too long, and I'll turn it 
back over to you, Madam Chair.
    Mrs. Bustos. I'm going to give you one other chance to 
speak for just a second, because I know we want to thank some 
other folks in addition to the Peterson family. And, where's 
the sheriff? Sheriff Thomas, where are you? Hey Sheriff, thank 
you so much for being here today.
    We really appreciate it and we appreciate all that you do 
and all that law enforcement does, and she didn't tell you 
this, but she's married to the sheriff in her county.
    [Laughing].
    Ms. Craig. I'd like to say I love law enforcement, 
literally. Yes.
    [Laughing].
    Mrs. Bustos. She loves a good sheriff. We'll put it that 
way.
    Ms. Craig. I do.
    Mrs. Bustos. She's good. She's good. I also want to say 
thank you to the Rice County 4-H education ambassadors. Thank 
you so much for being here today [applause], as well as to the 
Cannon Falls High School FFA Chapter and their advisor, Duane 
Pliscott [applause], and I can't be in a room with Ed Terry 
without saying thank you for all of the work that you did, and 
of course, he's embarrassed now, so we're going to let it go 
here, but, Ed, thank you for your commitment to our community.
    And with that Madam Chair, I'll turn it back over.
    Ms. Craig. All right, let's get right at it. We're going to 
start with Bruce Peterson. I think that's only appropriate, 
right? We're going to let Bruce go first. And let me--I'll tell 
you who's on deck in the whole, et cetera.
    And then we'll have Thom Peterson, who is the Commissioner 
of Agriculture here in the state, and then Dan, is it Glessing?
    Mr. Glessing. Yes.
    Ms. Craig. Glessing, and then Gary Wertish. So, that's who 
the first four will be. Bruce, take it away.

STATEMENT OF BRUCE PETERSON, OWNER, FAR-GAZE FARMS, NORTHFIELD 
                               MN

    Mr. Bruce Peterson. All right. Thank you Members of the 
Agriculture Committee for being here. Great to see a great 
crowd here. I'm sure you're going to have a lot of these 
hearings, and hopefully we get a farm bill across the finish 
line eventually.
    It may not happen soon, but what I would like to touch on 
today is crop insurance and you two being on the Committee, 
you're certainly aware that how important crop insurance is to 
farmers, but one aspect where crop insurance helps farmers is 
with marketing.
    Marketing is extremely hard, but taking a decent level of 
crop insurance, it allows farmers to go ahead and forward sell 
long before we know what our actual production will be. It's 
happened the last 2 years where markets have peaked in May and 
at that time, a lot of the seed isn't even planted yet, and so 
it allows farmers to go ahead and forward market a lot of this 
typically when markets are at their seasonal high and they're 
at those seasonal highs before actual production is known.
    So, if a person waits until harvest time, when you know 
what you actually have to market, typically prices are much 
lower. So, another point with crop insurance that we've had is 
discounts for young farmers. Starting out for the first 5 
years, they get a premium discount. I think that's important.
    Typically, young farmers when they're assigned, their APH 
or that's basically what kind of coverage they can get. They're 
typically assigned a county yield, which is much lower than, 
for instance, our yield.
    It's about 20 percent lower, so they're already at a 
disadvantage with their coverage levels. So, if we can maintain 
those discounts for beginning farmers, that kind of gets them 
at least on a level playing field with more established 
farmers, so.
    The third point I want to make is well with beginning 
farmers, obviously it goes a long ways for them to be able to 
secure their operating loans. Once they can take that crop 
insurance coverage to their lender, that's a key point in 
obtaining financing, and especially important now with our 
costs continuing to ratchet higher, much more expensive to put 
a crop in now than many years ago.
    And the last point is the prevent plant coverage. That's an 
important component for us on our farm. In this area, we've 
actually only used it one time. That was in 2013 on one farm. 
Certainly, don't want to use it, but this year in Minnesota, 
certainly some growers throughout the state planted very late.
    I know there was some prevent plant, but at least that's a 
fallback in the event that they can't get a crop planted that 
they could at least, it's not very lucrative by any means to 
take that option, but it allows them to least pay the rent, 
make those lease payments, and kind of lease the live to farm 
the next year. So, that's the main thing.
    And I remember I started farming in the mid 1980's and one 
of my first years that I kind of had my own acreage was 1988, 
and for those of you in Minnesota, you remember that was an 
extremely hot, dry year. Back in that those days, we didn't 
have the crop insurance options we have now, so kind of nerve 
racking times back then.
    Markets were taking big swings and the crop prospects 
weren't that good? So, anyway, need to maintain a strong crop 
insurance program. So, thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. All right. Thank you very much, Bruce. Now our 
Minnesota Commissioner of agriculture, Thom Peterson. Welcome 
Thom.

STATEMENT OF THOM PETERSON, COMMISSIONER, MINNESOTA DEPARTMENT 
                 OF AGRICULTURE, PINE CITY, MN

    Mr. Thom Peterson. Thank you Madam Chair and Representative 
Craig. It's an honor to be here with you today. Again, I'm Thom 
Peterson, the Commissioner of the Minnesota Department of 
Agriculture, and you can look in this room and see how 
important a farm bill is. Everything from hunger to our 
commodity crops, our livestock crops, so many important things.
    Agriculture in Minnesota is a $17 billion part of our 
economy. We rank towards the top in many important issues. I 
think my quick message is that the 2018 Farm Bill was a good 
farm bill. It wasn't the worst farm bill we've ever done, that 
it does work for folks. And so, if we can continue to build on 
that and try to make improvements to that are going to be 
important.
    Some of the things that I think really rise to the top are 
I just got back from the Philippines, literally just 2 days 
ago, trade is incredibly important. Having a trade component to 
our farm bill, foreign animal disease is incredibly important, 
Minnesota, number two hog producer in the country, the number 
one turkey producing in the country, as we look at African 
swine fever and high-path avian influenza, the foreign animal 
disease component is going to be continuing to be incredibly 
important.
    I want to thank both of you for your support. And in the 
last farm bill, we had a component for mental health for 
farmers, which provided all 50 states with $\1/2\ million to 
address that issue and continue. We need all of our farmers. 
Farming is incredibly stressful. I can tell you firsthand.
    We were able to work with 10 different cooperators in our 
state to have a great program. The drought last year that Bruce 
briefly touched on too and everything, really, I think 
highlighted things that we need to change and we need to update 
as we look at climate. Some of our programs don't work as well.
    Looking at a working lands type program, having common 
sense, things when we have issues like the drought, like the 
FEEEDD Act (H.R. 3183, Feed Emergency Enhancement During 
Disasters Act) that you did. Looking at making some of those 
tweaks that allow our farmers to keep farming in those times, 
building on climate and conservation. Water issues are very 
important.
    You're going to hear more about in Minnesota we have our 
agriculture water certification program, which has brought $9 
million to our state, and that recognizes issues and things 
that farmers do to improve water quality on their farms. We 
have over 1,200 farmers now enrolled in that program and we're 
closing in on a million acres.
    And that also has climate benefits too as well, too many 
quick things. I just mentioned energy title E85, E15, Minnesota 
is the leader in pumps. And the more that we continue to build 
on that in infrastructure is going to help meat processing. The 
more that we can do to build that out at all different levels, 
not just with grants to plants and everything, but also 
addressing workers.
    In closing, I'd just like say the Federal farm bill also is 
important for our funding for our agency. It's about ten 
percent of our budget, which is incredibly important as we go 
so forward. So, thanks for doing this today and appreciate 
being able to comment. Thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. All right. Thank you, Mr. Commissioner.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. All right, Dan.

  STATEMENT OF DAN GLESSING, PRESIDENT, MINNESOTA FARM BUREAU 
                     FEDERATION, WAVERY, MN

    Mr. Glessing. Well, first and foremost, thank you for 
coming out to the Second District. I am Dan Glessing, serving 
President of Minnesota Farm Bureau, dairy, crop and beef farmer 
west of the twin cities, about an hour and a half from here. 
I've got three main points within the farm bill.
    Dairy Margin Coverage. The importance of that as a dairy 
producer, especially middle, younger, and now I'd like to call 
myself middle aged. I'm not quite to the other side yet, but 
anyway, it, it is a critically important program. Maybe some 
updates within that margin to reflect the increased cost of 
production that we're experiencing currently, just to update 
that, but it's a good program. We want to keep that.
    Second, crop insurance. Bruce did a great job of outlining 
the importance of that. I would not be in favor of linking 
conservation measures to those premiums, because it is like 
Bruce had said, that's more of a necessity now than anything 
else, so would advise against linking that together.
    Third, conservation programs or measures. Allowing some 
flexibility within those. We're trying to experiment with new 
programs on these lands and what works down here might not work 
for me, and so if we get into a conservation program and it's 
not working, I recognize there has to be teeth within those 
programs so that people are doing what they need to do to 
conserve the soil, but allowing some alternative measures so 
that the program is successful, because we do want to encourage 
new practices, but if it's not working, we don't want to be in 
that situation.
    So, with that, that's all I've got, and thank you again for 
your time.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Dan. All right, Gary.
    [Applause].

STATEMENT OF GARY WERTISH, PRESIDENT, MINNESOTA FARMERS UNION, 
                          RENVILLE, MN

    Mr. Wertish. Thank you. Gary Wertish, President of 
Minnesota Farmers Union. I'd like to thank both Representatives 
for holding the field hearing in Minnesota. Minnesota, we think 
we have a lot to say.
    Now you're going to be hearing from a lot of people here 
and us talking about the various programs and three speakers in 
front of me mentioned various provisions. And I'm going to 
speak in more general terms of the farm bill, the importance of 
a farm bill. There are a lot of titles in the farm bill.
    It's really a food security, rural development bill. 
There's a lot of, this is the only bill that really funds a lot 
of rural America. It's not only providing farmers protection to 
keep them on the farm where the example is given of crop 
insurance.
    The intent is not to profit off it, the intent is if you go 
through a crop disaster, to keep you on the farm. So, the 2018 
Farm Bill has done well, and I'd like to think of it as a 
living document that we can improve on it, do some tweaks, 
specialty crop producers, maybe there's some more help for 
them.
    But, Thom mentioned 85, E15, I appreciate Congressman 
Craig's work on E15, but there's--a few weeks ago I was in 
Secretary Vilsack's office and he talked about the importance 
of a farm bill, upcoming farm bill, and he explained all the 
various programs that the FSA has in Rural Development for 
rural America.
    And he said, I don't know why we're stuck on writing a farm 
bill sticking to a baseline. The importance of a farm bill, 
rural development bill is so huge. He says our Defense 
Department does not stick to a baseline, so why are we always 
stuck in there in that view?
    I know there's only two of you on the Committee, but I 
think take that back. This is the only bill that really helps 
rural America that is out there and that's something that we 
work on every 5 years and appreciate your support for coming 
here. Thank you very much.
    Mrs. Bustos. All right. Thanks a lot, Gary.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. All right, and please forgive if I'm 
mispronouncing anybody's name, but you can correct it when you 
get up here. Here's who we have up. Bob Wordle, Vince Baack, 
and Richard Syverson, in that order.
    And while you're coming up, by the way, this is our fourth 
field hearing that we've done. All of the previous three have 
been out West, so this is our very first one in the Midwest. 
You can come on up. I'm just filling time. So, I want to give 
Congresswoman Craig credit for making sure that the very first 
hearing that we had out in the field in the Midwest was in 
Minnesota. All right, Bob.
    Mr. Worth. Thank you very much. I am Bob Worth.
    Mrs. Bustos. Worth? Sorry.
    Mr. Worth. From Lincoln County
    Mrs. Bustos. Wordle wasn't even close. Sorry. The H looked 
like an L.

 STATEMENT OF BOB WORTH, PRESIDENT, MINNESOTA SOYBEAN GROWERS 
                  ASSOCIATION, LAKE BENTON, MN

    Mr. Worth. That's, I don't print very well.
    [Laughing].
    Mr. Worth. I farm in southwest Minnesota, Lincoln County 
and proudly serving as President of the Minnesota Soybean 
Growers. I thank you both for taking the time to come and 
listen to us as we talk about the things that are so important 
to us, all this in the farm bill.
    I guess there's a couple things I'm going to talk about is 
first of all, farm bill overall. I would really like to see the 
overall pool of money increase for that, as we know there has 
not been an increase in pool of money for any of the provisions 
in the farm bill.
    I think it should go all the way from SNAP all the way down 
through all of title I, because as we all know, inflation is 
hitting us really hard, and I think this is something that we 
need to take a look at increasing that.
    Overall, the farm bill is very good. As you can see by my 
gray hair, I have been around through a lot of farm bills and 
this last farm bill is really good. And, I like the safety net. 
It's a great safety net. I love it when we don't have to use 
the safety net because then it means we are profitable, but we 
need that safety net and a good safety net for when the time 
comes.
    We all know prices go up and prices go down; yields go up, 
yields go down, so we need this safety net with the ARC and 
PLC, so we do appreciate that.
    As far as crop insurance, it is great. It is something that 
works. The one thing I would ask and our organizations have 
asked about this, please do not tie any conservation or any 
other programs with the crop insurance, let it stand alone.
    We all know the importance of conservation. We all know the 
importance of crop insurance. We all know the importance of 
title I and the farm bill. So, let's just keep it all separate 
and move forward with that.
    I do want to say again, thank you and keep working hard on 
this farm bill and try to get it done so we don't have to have 
an extension, please. Thank you.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you Bob Worth. Vince. Hi Vince.

 STATEMENT OF VINCE BAACK, CHIEF BUSINESS OFFICER, NEW FASHION 
PORK, NORTH MANKATO, MN; ON BEHALF OF MINNESOTA PORK PRODUCERS 
                          ASSOCIATION

    Mr. Baack. Good morning, Madam Chair. Good morning, 
Representative Craig. My name's Vince Baack. I'm a pig farmer. 
I work for a pig farmer out in Jackson, Minnesota called New 
Fashion Pork and I'm here on behalf of the Minnesota Pork 
Producers Association.
    Blake Holden should be speaking here on my behalf, but I 
guess I won that contest, but I think many of us here know 
Blake, but anyway thank you so much for taking the time to come 
out to our neck of the woods and listen to our concerns.
    We are very appreciative of the time and effort that you 
take. From Minnesota Pork Producer Standpoint as Commissioner 
Peterson so happily stated, we are the number two pork producer 
in the country, and so obviously we feel that pork production 
is very important to the state and it's certainly very 
important to those of us that are engaged in that industry.
    So, from our standpoint, we have a couple of things that we 
want to make sure are included in the next farm bill and I'm 
making sure, I'm checking my notes so I get everything done, 
but number one is we want to make sure that the--first we're 
looking at the foot-and-mouth disease vaccine bank with the 
USDA, those are critical in supporting and fighting against, 
which we hope never occurs, an FAD outbreak here in the states.
    Another very important part of the foreign animal disease 
issue is the National Animal Health Labs. The University of 
Minnesota Swine Diagnostic Veterinary Lab is a very, very 
important part of what we do in the state, so we would ask that 
those be funded to the fullest extent possible, because again, 
if they are not working properly, we are not working properly.
    And in the event of an FAD, they would be critical to the 
responses that our industry would have. The last thing that we 
would ask is that the National Animal Disease Preparedness and 
Response Grants also be fully funded to the extent that they 
also provide surge capacity for our National Labs throughout 
the country, in improving their capabilities to respond to an 
FAD outbreak.
    A couple other things in general. Number one, John 
Anderson, who's our President, and I had a conversation this 
morning and one thing that's very, very important to family 
farmers here, both in Minnesota and elsewhere is that we just 
need to be smart about inheritance taxes.
    I know there was--that's been an issue and I know Wes has 
been, we've had those conversations before, but, it's very 
important that we be able to pass our farms on to our children, 
so that they continue that in the future, and so I know that 
there were some proposals in Congress that would've worked 
against that.
    So, we very strongly want to encourage Congress and our 
national political leaders to just back off on the inheritance 
tax, that's a big.
    Second thing in general, we obviously in our industry are 
very, very supportive of trade, foreign trade. So, having 
smart, bilateral, unilateral agreements are very important to 
us because a significant part of our product is exported 
overseas to markets such as the far east, Japan, Mexico, and 
things of that sort. So, we just want to make sure. Thank you. 
My time is up. I appreciate it. Thanks.
    Mrs. Bustos. All right. Very good.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you Vince. I can tell you that Angie and 
I heard more about stepped-up basis than like probably than 
just about any other topic when all of that. You might want 
to----
    Ms. Craig. Yes, I would just say sometimes you don't get a 
lot of credit for what doesn't happen in Washington, but if you 
got five Democrats who say no to something happening, it 
doesn't happen in Washington right now, and you're looking at 
two of the five right here today who said no change in the 
stepped-up basis.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. All right, Richard, introduce yourself.

   STATEMENT OF RICHARD SYVERSON, AGRONOMY MANAGER, SYVERSON 
              FAMILY FARMS; FIRST VICE PRESIDENT, 
        MINNESOTA CORN GROWERS ASSOCIATION, CLONTARF, MN

    Mr. Syverson. Chair Bustos and Congresswoman Craig, thank 
you for holding this farm bill hearing today. My name is 
Richard Syverson. I'm a fourth generation family farmer from 
the tiny town of Clontarf, Minnesota, and I'm the First Vice 
President of the Minnesota Corn Growers Association.
    I'd like to focus my comments this morning on crop 
insurance. And I feel strange after Bruce did such a great job 
outlining some of the--many of the things that we're concerned 
about, but crop insurance is the number one farm bill priority 
for our 6,500 members in the Corn Growers Association.
    The stakes are getting higher and higher. The amount of 
dollars that it takes to purchase inputs, fertilizer, seed, 
chemicals every year keeps getting higher. Crop insurance not 
only helps us recover from losses, but it helps us secure 
loans, better market our crops and make needed investments on 
the farm.
    Now, I may not look like a young farmer, but I still had to 
have crop insurance in order to secure my operating loan for 
this season, my 41st crop. Minnesota Corn Growers has worked 
with Congress in the past, built crop insurance up over the 
years, including bipartisan reforms in 1994 and in 2000.
    We've also worked to secure revenue insurance that's the 
equivalent of a replacement cost policy for farmers. Crop 
insurance also means farmers can repay loans and pay our 
vendors that we've purchased inputs from. So, crop insurance in 
a roundabout way backs up the economies of our small main 
street businesses.
    Minnesota has one of the highest crop insurance 
participation rates in the country: 95 percent of corn acres 
are covered and we have among the highest coverage levels 
purchased, over almost 80 percent on average.
    We have a great track record. Our loss ratio is only 0.65, 
meaning Minnesota farmers are usually the ones writing the 
checks to the crop insurance system in the farmer premium, 
rather than the other way around. So, we feel strongly that we 
should do no harm to crop insurance, but we should build on 
that success.
    So, what can we do to do that? First, crop insurance must 
be actuarially sound. All farmers who want to participate 
should be allowed to. This means no size limits or ties to 
other conservation programs like conservation that do not 
affect the farmer's risk profile.
    Second, we need to preserve the public-private partnership 
that insures farmers. This ensures that we pay a fair share of 
the premiums and that the companies who write and service those 
policies are encouraged to continue to provide fast and fair 
service to their farmers and to continue to innovate with 
products to cover more of our diverse ag producers.
    Thank you for being here and thank you for taking the time 
to come to Minnesota. And just if I could take a point of 
privilege. Chair Bustos, thank you so much for your support of 
the Next Generation Fuels Act of 2021, (H.R. 5089).
    Mrs. Bustos. Oh yeah. And Angie's supportive of it as well. 
I happen to have written the bill, but she's very supportive.
    Mr. Syverson. Oh, we know. And thank you very much.
    Mrs. Bustos. Yes. So, yes, you know what? It'd be nice if 
we could pass it, but we need a little more support on it. All 
right. So, again, forgive me if I'm mispronouncing your name. 
Steve Schlangen, Dave Buck, John Zimmerman are our next three 
up. Was I even close?
    Mr. Schlangen. Not bad.
    [Laughing].
    Mrs. Bustos. Really?
    Mr. Schlangen. I've heard a lot worse.
    [Laughing].
    Mrs. Bustos. Okay. Lay it on the line.

   STATEMENT OF STEVE SCHLANGEN, CO-OWNER, SCHLANGEN DAIRY; 
CHAIRMAN, BOARD OF DIRECTORS, ASSOCIATED MILK PRODUCERS, INC., 
                           ALBANY, MN

    Mr. Schlangen. Good morning, Chair Bustos and Congresswoman 
Angie Craig. Thank you for having us. I'm a dairy farmer from 
central Minnesota. My wife and I milk 60 cows and run 200 acres 
of land, and I also serve as Chairman of the Board of Directors 
of Associated Milk Producers, Incorporated, which is the 
largest dairy farmer owned cheese cooperative in the United 
States.
    And I'm here speaking on behalf of not just the MPI, but 
International Dairy Foods Association, National Milk Producers 
Federation, and our Midwest Dairy Coalition. So, today I wanted 
to bring up a little bit what Dan brought up earlier was the 
Dairy Margin Coverage Program. Well, I think it's been a really 
good program and I think maybe we can improve on it, but we 
definitely got to protect what we have.
    We know that farm sizes have grown over the last number of 
years and to keep up with that farm size, I think the average 
is like 300 cows. It'd be nice to go from the 5 million cap on 
the tier I, up to maybe 8 million pound cap and allow farmers 
to renew their production history over time, because most 
farmers right now use 2011, 2012, or 2013, which is really 
outdated, but we appreciate your support on the supplemental 
insurance or coverage that was put in place last year.
    So that is a very big thing for us, the Dairy Margin 
Coverage, and also possibly raising the coverage level from 
$9.50 up to $10 with increased costs of everything, that not 
related to feed, so that the feed cost is already in the 
program, but the other costs have also increased a lot.
    The other thing I would bring up would be with the Federal 
Milk Marketing Order, we need that to be a hearing process, but 
we might need some help from Congress in getting a make 
allowance survey, a cost of production survey for our cheese 
plants, so that these are formula prices and they need the 
right numbers in the formula to get a good price.
    So, if we could make that mandatory, we'd get a lot more 
clear reporting and a lot better data. And then the third thing 
would be on the nutrition program, the SNAP program and the 
milk, the healthy milk or whatever in, I forget what it was 
called here, I'm less familiar with this one, Healthy Fluid 
Milk Incentive Projects.
    It's part of the SNAP program and possibly include cheese 
and yogurt along with that, but we think these things are 
really important and we appreciate you all being here. Thank 
you.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Steve. Dave Buck--Steve, how do you 
pronounce your last name?
    Mr. Schlangen. Me?
    Mrs. Bustos. Yes. How do you say your last name?
    Mr. Schlangen. Schlangen.
    Mrs. Bustos. Oh, I was pretty close.
    Mr. Schlangen. Yes.
    Mrs. Bustos. Yes. Thank you.
    [Laughing].
    Mr. Schlangen. Thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. Dave Buck, two syllables. Love it.
    [Laughing].

  STATEMENT OF DAVE BUCK, CO-OWNER, BUCKS UNLIMITED; MEMBER, 
              BOARD OF DIRECTORS, MINNESOTA MILK 
               PRODUCERS ASSOCIATION, GOODHUE, MN

    Mr. Buck. You got it right. Thank you for coming down and 
thank you Representative Craig for the invitation. My name's 
Dave Buck, I dairy farm about 20 miles straight east of here 
near Goodhue. My family and I operate a dairy farm that has 
grown considerably over the years.
    I'm going to echo some of the comments that I think Dan and 
Steve said about the Dairy Margin Coverage. It took us a couple 
farm bills to get it right, but I think we got it right. There 
needs to be some tweaking to it I think because they alluded 
to, with inflation, the $9.50 margin is not nearly what it used 
to be.
    If you look at inflation in the last year, approaching ten 
percent, our costs have gone up, probably all of that, between 
labor and supplies, just different things. Dairy farmers spend 
a lot of money. I write out 70 checks a month. It's hard to 
believe, but between payroll and just all the other dairy farm 
expenses.
    We are a big driver in the local economies. I would second 
Steve's idea of raising the pounds of milk that qualify. Our 
farms have grown over the years and it's a fact of life, you 
just need more pounds to cover your basic living costs.
    He also commented on the Federal Milk Marketing Orders and 
we need to make some changes there. And, I think the dairy 
industry will offer some insight into what would be the best 
way to approach that. I don't think there's a consensus yet on 
what to do.
    Another thing, and there has been a lot of talk about crop 
insurance and a lot of dairy farmers use crop insurance, 
because we raise crops to feed our animals. There is a 
situation in the dairy industry where we are--all crop farmers 
are required to go report their acres and we're supposed to 
designate acres to silage or acres to grain corn in July I 
think, whatever 15th, whatever the date is.
    That really doesn't work when you're a dairy farmer, you 
plant your corn in the spring thinking you're going to do this, 
but Mother Nature can change things. So, if you decide to 
change, I was going to put silage out of this field and now 
it's going to be grain, and you change that in the fall, 
technically you are in violation of the contract and subject to 
penalty.
    So, we just need a little tweaking there also. I would also 
like to mention exports are 17 percent of dairy that has grown 
tremendously in the last 10 years. So, we want to keep sure 
that we always keep them export channels open. So, thank you 
very much. Thank you for coming to Minnesota.
    Mrs. Bustos. All right. Thank you very much, Dave.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. All right, John Zimmerman, Ed Terry, and Dave 
Legvold. John?

     STATEMENT OF JOHN ZIMMERMAN, OWNER, P&J PRODUCTS CO.; 
           SECRETARY/TREASURER, EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, 
           NATIONAL TURKEY FEDERATION, NORTHFIELD, MN

    Mr. Zimmerman. In front of Ed Terry, this is quite a 
position to be in. Good morning. My name's John Zimmerman. I'm 
a turkey farmer from just over the hill here. I also serve on 
the executive committee of the National Turkey Federation. I 
appreciate the opportunity to provide comments today on the 
state of the turkey industry and to discuss the current farm 
bill.
    Since the highly-pathogenic avian influenza outbreak began 
in February, there have been 133 cases of commercial turkey 
flocks resulting in a loss of more than five and a half million 
turkeys. It's been found in domestic and backyard flocks in 38 
states, greatly impacting farms in rural communities.
    The National Turkey Federation is appreciative of the 
indemnification program implemented by USDA and APHIS and the 
strong Congressional support we've received. Looking towards 
the farm bill, we hope we can build on the National Animal 
Disease Preparedness and Response Program created in 2018.
    And then as an industry, we've learned many lessons from 
the current and previous outbreaks, and we hope to continue to 
implement the necessary changes to help prevent the 
introduction and spread of this virus, but we do ask for your 
assistance in the following areas.
    Wild bird surveillance. APHIS' wild bird surveillance 
program provides an early warning system for us about the 
distribution of avian influenza virus, routine samplings of 
wild birds in all four major flyways.
    Take timely action to help us reduce the introduction and 
spread to our commercial flocks. This has always been done on 
the coast. We'd really like to see it expanded to the 
Mississippi Flyway, because birds aren't flying where they used 
to, they're coming in from different areas.
    Indemnity. Indemnity payments are made for animals that we 
have to depopulate to control and eradicate diseases such as 
HPAI, and while indemnity values traditionally represented only 
conventional turkey production, APHIS created turkey production 
subcategories for breeders and organic turkeys, additional 
funding and Congressional guidance on indemnity calculations as 
necessary for USDA and establishing appropriate indemnity 
values for these categories and also potential new categories, 
such as no antibiotics ever, and we ask Congress to address 
this during the farm bill.
    Another area is research. Critical research is still needed 
to help prevent future outbreaks and develop more--excuse me--
more effective control procedures. Specific research needs 
include understanding the virulence of the H5N1 strain and also 
help us develop new strains to quickly depopulate infective 
birds humanely as possible.
    Vaccination is a big deal. HPAI vaccines could be developed 
quickly and used to effectively stamp out these outbreaks, but 
current World Organisation for Animal Health guidelines and 
other agreements permit trading partners to treat vaccination 
as a sign that HPAI is endemic in a county and to impose very 
harsh trade restrictions on a nation that utilizes vaccines.
    These policies eroded in an area when HPAI was less 
prevalent globally, and it was impossible to distinguish 
between a positive test result from an infected bird and a 
positive test result from a vaccinated bird.
    Current technology allows us to distinguish between these 
two types of positives now, and we hope that the U.S. can 
immediately lead efforts to update these trade rules to permit 
vaccination when we have a specific outbreak.
    And finally, readiness. The current outbreak demonstrated 
that the strain a large outbreak can place on the response 
effort. We encourage Congress to work with APHIS to ensure 
appropriate staffing and training to respond to a multi-state 
outbreak of any foreign animal disease.
    This may include cooperative agreements so that they can be 
called upon when--cooperative agreements to train state 
employees so they can be called upon when the time comes. Thank 
you for your time.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, John.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. Ed Terry?

  STATEMENT OF ED TERRY, CO-OWNER, TERRY FARMS, NORTHFIELD, MN

    Mr. Terry. Thank you very much for the opportunity to speak 
today. I've been an agricultural education instructor and FFA 
advisor for 51 years, so my comments are largely centered 
around young farmers and the importance, the average age of 
farmers nationwide is 57, 58 years old.
    I think we need to look ahead to the future. The farm bill 
needs to do everything it can, and I don't really have any 
examples specifically, but to help young farmers get started, 
we need to regenerate this industry.
    Obviously, we're very competitive by nature as farmers. I 
also do farm, so I understand that, but young farmers can't 
afford $350 rent, $10,000 plus land costs with the high input 
costs and they just can't possibly compete with the mega farms 
that we're seeing.
    So, we also see that with the competitiveness, farm sizes 
getting much, much larger, small towns are dying, rural schools 
are consolidating, little town schools are the center of what 
goes on, and we need to try and keep some of those things 
alive.
    Obviously, agriculture is the backbone of America. What we 
need in the farm bill is equity for all farmers. I'm not really 
sure that we need Bill Gates and Ted Turner and professional 
athletes buying farmland and figuring out how to capture big 
subsidies down the road.
    The other thing is, as we look ahead and maybe 50 years at 
a farm bill and what do we want to see? We complain about the 
fact that four firms basically control the beef packing 
industry and we complain about the consolidation of the 
fertilizer, input side, so few suppliers, et cetera, and yet, 
down the road, do we want to see just one or two farms per 
county? And what does our future look like in surviving in 
rural America. Thank you very much.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Ed. I think the answer to your last 
question is no. We do not want to see one or two farms per 
county. All right. So, let me just, we have Dave Legvold and 
then we K.C. Graner, Jim Kleinschmit, Deborah Mills. Dave?

 STATEMENT OF DAVE LEGVOLD, FARMER, LEGVOLD FARMS, NORTHFIELD, 
MN; ON BEHALF OF LAND STEWARDSHIP PROJECT; CLEAN RIVER PARTNERS

    Mr. Legvold. Thank you Madam Chair, Representative Craig. I 
am a farmer who is a retired educator, so congratulations to Ed 
because he just retired. I farm about 850 acres across the 
Cannon. One of those folks from across the river. And the 
Petersons know well that I'm not really a farmer, I'm a retired 
educator who farms corn and soybeans for real. I speak in 
support of the need to fully fund CSP and EQIP.
    I have had two, 5 year CSP contracts and three EQIP 
contracts and these programs were the backbone of my transition 
away from full with destructive tillage. It's concerning to 
know that Minnesota has been a leader in conservation ag in the 
years: 2005 to 2019 Minnesota awarded more CSP contracts than 
any other state.
    In 2020, Minnesota was able to award only 14% of the CSP 
applicants. We ranked 47th out of 52 states. Only 17% of EQIP 
applicants were awarded contracts in 2020, ranking 50th out of 
52. Working with CSP and EQIP contracts has paved the way for 
the Legvold Farm to become a Minnesota agricultural water 
quality certified producer.
    Producers who enter this program farm in ways that reduce 
soil erosion by nearly 125,000 tons per year and reduce 
CO2 emissions by about 48,000 tons per year. All 
this sounds great, but only about 900,000 acres of Minnesota's 
25.5 million acres are farmed by certified producers. That is 
comparatively few.
    Minnesota has work to do with regard to care of soil and 
water and atmosphere. I will share with you a photo taken from 
space that shows Minnesota's big brown spot. By comparison, we 
look at Illinois little brown spot.
    This indicates that in the fall, our land is still black 
and left open to erosion. Minnesota has adopted about 5%, no-
till and strip-till in the state. CSP and EQIP will continue 
the progress toward better care of our lands and waters. I 
thank you very much for today.
    Mrs. Bustos. All right. Thank you, Dave.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. Are you submitting that picture for the 
record, Dave? Oh.
    Mr. Legvold. There's some wall art for you.
    Ms. Craig. Oh good, excellent.
    Mrs. Bustos. He's donating wall art to Angie. I hope that's 
under the gift limit.
    [Laughing].
    Mrs. Bustos. It looks very valuable. All right. K.C.

 STATEMENT OF K.C. GRANER, SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT OF AGRONOMY, 
                CENTRAL FARM SERVICE, KENYON, MN

    Mr. Graner. Good morning, Congresswoman Bustos, 
Congresswoman Craig. Thank you for being here. My name's K.C. 
Graner, I'm the Senior Vice President of Agronomy at Central 
Farm Service, also known as CFS.
    We're an ag retail cooperative with grain feed, crop inputs 
and energy divisions headquartered in Truman, Minnesota. Our 
co-ops got 300 employees and over 4,000 member owners across 
southern Minnesota and into northern Iowa. CFS is also an 
agricultural retail owner of Land O'Lakes Incorporated, which 
is one of the largest ag cooperatives in the country.
    I want to thank you today for the opportunity to 
participate in the listening session and really focus my 
comments on four critical issues.
    One, the need for a strong safety net and predictable ag 
economy. Two, policies that scale climate-smart ag practices. 
Three, solutions to the supply chain issues as well as four, 
robust and well funded Rural Development programs.
    The rising cost of doing business is a top concern for all 
of our members and customers. High fuel, high crop inputs, 
economy wide inflationary pressures. These are all chipping 
away at margins. Given this, the farm bill safety net and crop 
insurance programs are very key to creating a predictable 
operating environment for these farmers.
    Further enhance our predictability, I urge the Committee to 
continue to work with the Administration to ensure consistent 
access to proven and safe ag technologies that help farmers 
maximize their productivity. We would really encourage and like 
to see continued bipartisan collaboration that encourages 
climate-smart ag production.
    Truterra is the sustainability business at Land O'Lakes 
that we work with and we have for several years. We're an 
aligned retail of theirs because we want to give our growers as 
many opportunities as possible to scale smart climate solutions 
and scale sustainability. We look forward to working with this 
Committee on farm bill initiatives that may create the right 
incentives and engagement to scale conservation and practice 
adoption.
    Third, we need to continue to focus on action with supply 
chain and labor issues that plague our industry in the broader 
economy, lagging rail performance shipping delays, and the lack 
of labor really do our drive up our costs.
    They impact our market access and delay delivery of 
critical shipments. Public-private supply chain solutions, 
including meaningful ag labor reform, as well as the 
implementation of the Ocean Shipping Reform Act of 2022 (Pub. 
L. 117-146) are great ways to help us maximize our productivity 
and economic viability. I would say that when we talk about 
food security, American producers feeding the world, this is a 
number one issue.
    Last, with the next farm bill, I really would--we'd really 
like to see investment in rural development, basic needs like 
healthcare, high-speed internet, fire departments, clean 
drinking water, things that need to be supported and continue 
supported.
    At the time of considerable challenges facing our needs 
from geopolitical instability, where Ukraine subsequent food 
security crisis, supply chain challenges, inflationary costs; I 
feel like I'm losing my breath here.
    [Laughing].
    Mr. Graner. Economic headwinds, the farm bill is more 
critical than ever to ensure that we made food security in this 
country.
    CFS and Land O'Lakes want to be a resource to the Committee 
as you craft the next farm bill, and again, thank you for the 
opportunity to hear us out and we look forward to working too. 
Thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, K.C.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. I'm a little concerned with your lack of 
comprehensiveness.
    [Laughing].
    Mrs. Bustos. I was totally joking. That was very good. All 
right. Jim Kleinschmit, Deborah Mills are the next two up. 
Thank you, Jim.

 STATEMENT OF JIM KLEINSCHMIT, CO-FOUNDER AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE 
    OFFICER, OTHER HALF PROCESSING SBC AND TREE-RANGE FARMS/
            REGENERATION FARMS LLC, CANNON FALLS, MN

    Mr. Kleinschmit. Thank you Congresswoman Bustos and 
Congresswoman Craig for holding this session in Minnesota. My 
name's Jim Kleinschmit. I grew up on a family farm in Nebraska 
that were early adopters of regenerative agriculture, but I've 
been in Minnesota for 20 years and my wife and I just bought a 
place 10 miles east of here. So now we're beginning family 
farmers and proud of it here in Minnesota.
    I'm also the co-founder and CEO of two agricultural 
businesses headquartered here. One is called Other Half 
Processing, which buys hides and other byproducts from 
regenerative raised livestock through value-added partnerships 
with meat processors, like Lawrence Meats based in Cannon Falls 
and working with companies like Thousand Hills Lifetime Grazed, 
also based here in Minnesota.
    And we sell that--those hides value-added as leather to 
companies like Timberland for boots. So that's one company 
that's based here working on the agricultural economy. The 
other is Tree-Range Farms, which buys regenerative raised 
chickens from local family farmers to sell under our Tree-Range 
Chicken Brand.
    And so, on behalf of these companies, I'm speaking 
primarily focusing on ways USDA can continue to help grow this 
high value and high benefit regenerative agricultural economy. 
From our family's experiences in Nebraska, we know regenerative 
farming can help reduce costs, increase fertility and water 
holding capacity and reduce risk for farmers.
    We fully support Regenerate America's platform and all 
efforts to increase education, technical assistance and 
incentives for farmers, ranchers and landholders around 
adopting soil, building profitable regenerative farming 
systems. But essential to that is also securing the value of 
those products, and that means making sure they're fully 
utilized and valued in the economy.
    At Other Half, we're recognizing there's a growing demand 
for these traceable hides for leather and for byproducts for 
the pet industry, but we know that many of the small- and 
medium-size meat processors don't have the infrastructure or 
the capacity to do that and they're losing value in this space 
now where hides were a high value proposition for them before 
are increasingly becoming a waste product and a cost for them.
    USDA through Title III could help make that a better way to 
happen through better investments in infrastructure, 
traceability technology, staff training, and support, which 
would help utilization of meat, hides and other products for 
all the supply chain partners, starting with the farmers.
    At Tree-Range, we have a different issue. We know that we 
can grow this rapid, this new--we can grow and meet this new 
market for regenerative chicken and our company is able to buy 
the chicken, set up the contracts, working with partnerships 
like a nonprofit based in Northfield, the Regenerative Ag 
Alliance, but the farmers need to be able to cover 
infrastructure costs for their own farms, which means they have 
to have access to the credit, they have to be able to get 
access to that land; and especially because we're working with 
small family farmers from a lot of the communities that have 
been historically disinvested.
    We really encourage you to make sure that the credit 
programs are offered across the board. Regenerative ag and 
markets provide an amazing opportunity for U.S. farmers and 
ranchers in rural communities to build wealth and grow food in 
local economies while improving soil health and fertility.
    I really appreciate your time and strongly encourage you to 
support the policies and programs there that can strengthen 
these opportunities for us and for all farmers. Thank you.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. All right. Thank you, Jim. Very interesting. 
Deborah, our first woman to speak to us and you're on 
Congresswoman Craig's advice council.
    Ms. Mills. I should've have brought my soapbox.
    [Laughing].
    Mrs. Bustos. Well, you can just pretend that you're on the 
soapbox right now.

 STATEMENT OF DEBORAH MILLS, OPERATOR, MILLS DAIRY FARM; VICE 
  PRESIDENT, MINNESOTA FARMERS UNION, GOODHUE COUNTY; MEMBER, 
                      BOARD OF DIRECTORS, 
    NATIONAL DAIRY PRODUCERS ORGANIZATION; MEMBER, BOARD OF 
 DIRECTORS, ORGANIZATION FOR COMPETITIVE MARKETS, LAKE CITY, MN

    Ms. Mills. Yes. Well, my name is Deborah Mills and I'm a 
dairy farmer and we milk 280 cows in Goodhue County and I am 
also the Farmer's Union, Goodhue County Vice President, and I 
also serve on the board of the National Dairy Producers 
Organization and the Organization for Competitive Markets.
    Thank you for the opportunity to bring the collective 
voices of the independent dairy farmers to the forefront today. 
Dairy farmers have experienced boom and bust cycles for 
decades. And these volatile cycles are triggered by the 
imbalance between supply and demand. When milk prices are high, 
farmers usually respond by increasing production to meet the 
demand.
    But when prices are low, dairy farmers also respond by 
introducing production in an attempt to generate enough income 
to pay the mortgage and operating costs, flooding the market 
and driving prices down further. These wild price swings that 
result make it difficult to manage a dairy business, but there 
is a better way.
    The Dairy Revitalization Plan is a growth management 
strategy that coordinates milk production growth among all 
dairy producers to stabilize and improve prices for everyone. 
Unlike a quota system, which is often reviewed as overly 
restrictive, growth management serves or growth management 
offers a series of incentives and disincentives to better align 
the growth production with growth demand.
    The Dairy Together coalition of farmers, farm groups and 
industry stakeholders are pushing for this plan to be included 
in the 2023 Farm Bill. The Dairy Revitalization Plan would 
stabilize prices and improve income with farmers receiving more 
income from the marketplace. It would reduce resilience or 
reliance on taxpayer subsidies. The program was designed to 
minimize these impacts and to meet the needs for everyone 
involved in the dairy industry.
    The number of American dairy farms has been on a steady 
decline over the last decade. In fact, the USDA has recorded 
roughly a loss of 17,000 dairy farms. Many of these dairy farms 
have been driven out by government policies, industry practices 
that favor mass production of commodities over farm viability.
    And the ``corporatocracy'' takeover of our farm and our 
food system really must stop. The outlook is dire for the next 
generation and continuing to lose dairy farms at this pace 
weakens rural communities, as well as the American food system.
    The Dairy Revitalization Plan was developed from feedback 
from farmers and stakeholders throughout the country.
    Dairy farmers are united in ways that have never been 
before and prioritizing the viability of family dairy farms to 
promote greater food security and rural economic resilience now 
into the future.
    And we need champions like you, who will push to end the 
dairy crisis and stand up for the independent family dairy 
farmer.
    Mrs. Bustos. Go Deborah.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. Angie's got an announcement real quickly.
    Ms. Craig. Thank you so much, Deborah. Just wanted to let 
everybody know that there are coolers in the back of the room 
and they have water in them. There is a restroom in the back of 
the room. I tried to get the Committee to let me bring beer, 
but it was too early in the morning, so.
    Mrs. Bustos. Is it though?
    Ms. Craig. No, it's really not.
    Mrs. Bustos. Just a joke. All right, so Brad Hovel, Kylie 
Jory, Harold Wolle are the next three. Is it Jory, did I 
pronounce it correctly?
    Mr. Jory. Yes, I don't need to speak though.
    Mrs. Bustos. You don't need to?
    Mr. Jory. No.
    Mrs. Bustos. Okay. Okay. I'll take you off then. So, it'll 
be Brad, who is here now, Harold Wole and then Jim Kanten.

         STATEMENT OF BRAD HOVEL, OWNER, HOVEL FARMS; 
           GOVERNING BOARD MEMBER, MINNESOTA SOYBEAN 
             GROWERS ASSOCIATION, CANNON FALLS, MN

    Mr. Hovel. Hello. I'm Brad Hovel. I farm with my folks and 
my brother in Cannon Falls, a little ways east of here. We 
raise beef cattle, corn, soybeans, custom finish hogs, and are 
also in the hog transportation business.
    I'm here on behalf of the Minnesota Soybean Growers 
Association, represent their membership as their secretary of 
the group. The one issue that I'd like to talk about in the 
farm bill is on the trade side of stuff.
    So, a little background on that, the activities of the U.S. 
Soybean Export Council is to expand international markets for 
U.S. soybeans and products that are made possible through the 
American Soybean Association's investment of cost-share funding 
provided by USDA's Foreign Agricultural Service, support from 
cooperating industries and by producer check-off dollars 
invested by the united soybean board and various state soybean 
councils.
    The export program promotion work of the U.S. Soybean 
Export Council is critical for soybean producer profitability 
because of the equivalent of every other row of soybeans 
produced in the United States is exported as either whole 
beans, processed or exported as soybean meal or soybean oil.
    U.S. Soybean Export Council operates offices located in key 
marketing areas throughout the world. So, the American Soybean 
Growers Association provides a majority of the funding for 
implementation of an aggressive international marketing program 
for U.S. soybean producers that leverages soybean check-off 
dollars, which are farmer investment dollars with ASA's Foreign 
Market Development or FMD cooperative program and Market Access 
Program funding through the Foreign Ag Service.
    ASA's or the American Soybean Association's success in 
competing for USDA funds reinforces the partnership between 
soybean check-off investments our farmer investments, and 
USDA's support for the soybean international marketing 
activities.
    So, the funding for the USDA's FMD and MAP Programs or 
Foreign Market Development and Market Access Programs has been 
stagnant over the last 20 years. With normal inflation, those 
funds, the farmer leadership are looking to leverage are only 
50 on the dollar that they were 20 years ago.
    The farmer members of the Minnesota Soybean Growers 
Association highly encourage the doubling or more of the 
funding for the Foreign Market Development and Market Access 
Program to keep the American farmers competitive in the world 
market.
    One thing that--another thing that was added to the last 
farm bill that has helped in this deal, and it did increase the 
MAP or the FMD program was the agricultural trade promotion 
portion of it that was put in the 2018 Farm Bill.
    We'd like to maintain that as where it's at, because those 
are--those are additional dollars that we can use to leverage 
with check-off dollars once we have developed them markets to 
increase our activity in those, in those foreign countries and 
in those markets that we have.
    A couple other issues--oh, my time is up. All right. I'll 
stop. Thank you, guys, very much.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. Harold.

 STATEMENT OF HAROLD WOLLE, MEMBER, CORN BOARD, NATIONAL CORN 
                GROWERS ASSOCIATION, MADELIA, MN

    Mr. Wolle. Representative Bustos, Representative Craig, 
thank you for bringing a listening session to Minnesota. I'm 
Harold Wolle, a corn grower from Madelia, Minnesota.
    I serve as a Member of the Corn Board of the National Corn 
Growers Association and was recently elected to the Office of 
Rotation there. I will begin my term as First Vice President 
this fall.
    As a grassroots association, NCGA and our state affiliates 
are continuing to do our homework so that we can provide 
specific recommendations to the Committee as you develop the 
next farm bill.
    This morning, I'd like to talk about two of the titles, 
conservation and trade. U.S. corn farms are committed to 
continuous improvement in the production of corn, a versatile 
crop providing abundant, high-quality food, feed, renewable 
energy, biobased products and ecosystem services.
    As stewards of the land, we understand the responsibility 
we have for creating a more environmentally and economically 
sustainable world for future generations with transparency 
through economically--through continued advances and 
efficiencies in land, water and energy use.
    USDA conservation programs authorized and funded through 
the farm bill play an important role in helping advance the 
adoption of climate-smart agriculture.
    I have 200 acres enrolled in the Conservation Reserve 
Program on my farm, the native grass and trees that grows on 
this land has been sequestering carbon for years. The forbs and 
wildflowers nurture pollinators and butterflies.
    It's excellent habitat for deer and pheasants and non-game 
wildlife. Under trade, corn growers' partner with the Foreign 
Ag Service, the U.S. Grains Council and similar organizations 
that Brad was talking about to grow markets overseas.
    Regarding current U.S. international market development 
efforts, the farm bill trade title can do more, increasing 
Market Access Program, MAP, funding to $400 million annually 
and Foreign Market Development, FMD, program funding to $69 
million annually would boost ag exports and provide an economic 
multiplier effect, helping agriculture and related businesses 
in rural America.
    In closing, NCGA recognizes the difficult task you have 
ahead of you as you develop the next farm bill. We appreciate 
your consideration of our views regarding conservation and 
trade and we look forward to sharing more specific policy 
priorities and coalition recommendations.
    Thank you.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Harold. All right, Jim Kanten, then 
Brian Thalmann, Eric Hokanson. I'm guessing that's wrong, but--
all right, Jim.

  STATEMENT OF JIM KANTEN, SECRETARY, MINNESOTA CORN GROWERS 
                     ASSOCIATION, MILAN, MN

    Mr. Kanten. Chair Bustos and Congresswoman Craig, thank you 
for holding the listening session on the corn bill here. My 
name is Jim Kanten. I'm a farmer from Milan and I also serve as 
Secretary of the Minnesota Corn Growers, I guess.
    A minute about why I'm here. My family, my dad, grandpa and 
grandma, have been very active in ag policy throughout my 
entire life and long before me.
    For example, they had driven a tractor that is very similar 
to the one sitting behind you from our farm to Washington D.C. 
in the late 1970s and have worked there for a number of issues.
    I certainly agree with the comments that Richard had made 
earlier about the importance of crop insurance to the corn 
growers. I would like to add that it is important to invest in 
the commodity title as well, in order to strengthen the farm 
safety net.
    As Richard mentioned in his comments, PLC and ARC reference 
prices were set back in 2014 and are no longer relevant and 
neither are the loan rates, which are very low.
    I know this would take some doing, but if we could capture 
a portion of the--what's been spent on the [inaudible] relief, 
pandemic relief, WHIP and ERP since 2017, we could improve crop 
insurance and strengthen the safety net in the farm bill.
    Then we can avoid the need for these kind of ad hoc 
programs in the future. Higher reference process under PLC and 
ARC and higher [inaudible] would be very helpful as we deal 
with record high input costs and volatile crop prices.
    Resources could also be made available to strengthen 
conservation programs, including to provide climate incentives. 
Keeping climate and conservation initiatives inside the 
conservation title makes the most sense, rather than tying them 
to crop insurance.
    We really need to stay focused on keeping farmers in 
business. If farms are not profitable, we cannot take on 
conservation or climate projects. If we are profitable with 
incentives and flexibility, we could help a lot.
    We have proven that we can do--promote soil health, improve 
water and air quality and enhance wildlife habitat. I am 
confident we also can help on reducing greenhouse gases under 
voluntary incentive programs.
    Thank you for your time today.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Jim. Brian?

STATEMENT OF BRIAN THALMANN, MEMBER, CORN BOARD, NATIONAL CORN 
                 GROWERS ASSOCIATION, PLATO, MN

    Mr. Thalmann. Good morning. Thank you for bringing the farm 
bill listening session here to Minnesota. I'm Brian Thalmann, a 
fifth-generation farmer.
    I grow corn and soybeans from Plato, Minnesota and I'm a 
Member of the Corn Board of the National Corn Growers 
Association.
    As a grassroots organization NCGA and our state affiliates 
are continuing to do our homework so we can provide specific 
recommendations as the Committee the next farm bill. This 
morning I'll speak about the importance of the Federal crop 
insurance and commodity programs.
    Last week, Tom Haag, a fellowman, a sultan of the National 
Corn Board, testified in front of the Agriculture Committee on 
crop insurance. I [inaudible] reinforce some of his comments 
this morning.
    The number one priority for NCGA and the farm bill is to 
protect crop insurance from harmful budget cuts and reforms.
    Recently, we have seen groups sharpen their knives and 
propose massive cuts to the program, which, if enacted, would 
reduce eligibility and drive-up cost for producers to manage 
the risks.
    Here in Minnesota alone, over 42,000 policies were sold 
last year, covering more than 8 million acres of corn with some 
level of crop insurance coverage. Restricting access to the 
programs or raising costs would impact all these growers in our 
state.
    This year is another example of why we need robust crop 
insurance. Areas in the western part of our state received 
repeated heavy rains earlier this spring. Now the latest 
Drought Monitor shows nearly 30 percent of southern and eastern 
Minnesota is facing some level of drought.
    If we do not receive timely rains, there will be some large 
yield losses potentially across our state.
    When disasters like flooding or drought strike, crop 
insurance companies are generally able to provide timely loss 
adjustments and to quickly process the bulk of indemnity 
payments.
    While individual growers are not made whole, crop insurance 
provides the tools and the ability to recover and continue 
operating into the next crop year.
    NCGA has been a leader and advocate for market-oriented 
farm policies. During our recent national meetings in D.C., 
NCGA delegates passed a resolution stating we support 
improvements to Title I commodity programs in order to 
strengthen the farm safety net.
    We are continuing to develop recommendations for improving 
these programs, including understanding their impact to the 
farmer and the cost of the Federal budget.
    Regarding the 2018 Farm Bill, thank you for the ability to 
choose between the Agricultural Risk Coverage-County, the ARC-
County, ARC-Individual and the PLC programs. We appreciate that 
what is now an annual commodity program signup period is 
similarly timed with the crop insurance decisions we make.
    In closing, we appreciate your leadership on the Committee. 
Thank you for considering our views and looking for ways that 
we can all prosper in the future.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. Very good. Thank you, Brian. Eric Hokanson, 
Matt Maier, Will Clayton.

    STATEMENT OF ERIC HOKANSON, FINANCIAL OFFICER, COMPEER 
                 FINANCIAL, ACA, LAKEVILLE, MN

    Mr. Hokanson. Good morning. Good morning, Chair Bustos and 
Representative Craig. My name is Eric Hokanson. I am a 
financial officer with Compeer Financial, currently working out 
of our Lakeville, Minnesota office.
    Compeer Financial is a member-owned Farm Credit cooperative 
that supports agriculture and rural communities.
    Our territory includes 144 counties throughout Minnesota, 
Illinois and Wisconsin, which includes both Minnesota district 
two for the Congressional district as well as Chair Bustos' 
district in Illinois.
    Thank you again for holding today's farm bill listening 
session. Besides working as a financial officer with Compeer, I 
also am part of my family's farming operation. My wife and I 
grow corn and soybeans about 20 miles south and east of here, 
alongside my parents.
    So today, I would like to focus my comments on two 
important farm bill related programs, from both an ag lending 
and beginning farmer perspective.
    The first has been talked about quite a bit, but it is crop 
insurance and it is vital to all sizes and scopes of farms here 
in the U.S. This allows farmers to hedge the risks and market 
their crops.
    This is especially important to young farmers like myself 
to be able to have a guaranteed source of repayment when 
disaster strikes or Mother Nature decides to not cooperate.
    From a lending perspective, having this safety net has 
allowed many of my own clients to be able to show a worst-case 
scenario source of income that will cover the payments when 
applying for loans to expand their operations.
    The second program I want to discuss is the Farm Service 
Agency Guaranteed and Direct Farm Loan Programs for young and 
beginning farmers. This is an excellent program that helps 
young farmers secure long-term financing at favorable terms and 
rates.
    Currently, the maximum loan limitations within this 
program, it's just too low. For example, a young farmer looking 
to purchase land using the Direct Farm Ownership Down Payment 
program, they run out of the full benefit of the program when 
the purchase price exceeds $667,000.
    In today's land environment, this doesn't even purchase 80 
acres. If there is any room for suggestion to the program, I 
would suggest increasing the maximum loan limitation to better 
suit the environment the young farmers are facing.
    All in all, there are many pieces of the farm bill that are 
vital to the success of today's farmers. These are just two 
areas that I felt were important to share today with the time I 
was allocated.
    Thank you for the opportunity to provide comments to the 
Committee.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you very much, Eric. Matt?

STATEMENT OF MATT MAIER, OWNER, THOUSAND HILLS LIFETIME GRAZED, 
                         CLEARWATER, MN

    Mr. Maier. Hello, Congresswomen. Thank you for hosting this 
event and thank you, you pronounced my name correctly, unlike 
most of my teachers in school. It is Maier.
    I am the Owner and chief regenerative renegade of Thousand 
Hills Lifetime Grazed grass-fed beef. We are based in 
Clearwater, Minnesota. I am a farmer there as well and we 
process regionally throughout the country, including Lorentz 
Meats here in Cannon Falls, Minnesota.
    So we distribute to 50 states and our decentralized 
regional sourcing of cattle and processing really helped us get 
through the pandemic and it was a joy to see that we were able 
to fill 95 percent of our retailer orders with that model.
    Now, so that showed to me--I used to talk about our 
resilient supply chain and I didn't really even know what that 
meant. So it proved to me that what we're doing is working and 
can be a benefit to the American consumers.
    In addition, we source cattle from 60 other family farms, 
from Minnesota to Texas, Idaho to New England, and those family 
farms are all practicing regenerative ag practices, which has a 
different definition depending on the crop that you're growing.
    But for us, in cattle, it means reestablishing perennial 
grasslands so that we can get the benefits that have been 
mentioned already. Pollinators, rebuilding soil health, 
improving watershed, all of those things.
    One quick statement along that, on my farm, when we convert 
cropland that's been monoculture cropped for decades and go to 
perennial grassland and we check that soil for organic matter, 
we're hovering around one percent organic matter.
    And in 5 to 7 years, we can take that up to five percent 
organic matter. Now, why that's significant is for every 
percent increase in organic matter, you can retain 20,000 
gallons of water per acre on the land without washing off.
    So when you have groundcover, you stop erosion, wind 
erosion, and you're able to actually build soil when you put 
animals on the land. And that's what we do. We graze animals 
for their ruminants, cattle for their lifetime.
    And ruminants were a--really are made to process forage and 
grass. So I know I'm in the land of king corn here, but they 
really weren't made to consume starch in a heavy diet of corn.
    And, if we can convert some land from cropland and bring it 
back to perennial grasslands, we're going to get all those 
benefits that I talked about. Pollinators, water, carbon. Hot 
topics for today.
    And in doing so, we will produce a nutrient-dense product. 
You know that cattle are under attack today. Meat is under 
attack. And we can then convert to this nutrient-dense meat 
product.
    And, people say, okay, this is cute and all, Matt. Can you 
really produce the beef that we need in this country?
    If we were able to graze the CRP land and the seven percent 
of corn land that goes to corn in feedlots, we could produce 
the 100 million cattle that we need in this country every year, 
just like we are now.
    So thank you for the time and I appreciate Peterson's for 
hosting this, and for you being here.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. All right. Thank you, Matt. I'm going to do a 
quick time check. We have exactly 45 minutes left. We should 
make a determination of how many people we have in the queue to 
see if we can still continue with the 3 minute limit, because I 
want to make sure everybody has a chance.
    So, Josh, I'm going to leave that math up to you. But in 
the meantime, we have Will Clayton and then we have Ruth Hoefs, 
Brad Gausman. So Will?

   STATEMENT OF WILL CLAYTON, SENIOR REPRESENTATIVE, EASTERN 
 MINNESOTA REGION, PHEASANTS FOREVER AND QUAIL FOREVER, MAYER, 
                               MN

    Mr. Clayton. Good morning and thank you, Congresswoman 
Craig and Chair Bustos. Thank you for the opportunity to offer 
comments here today.
    My name is Will Clayton. I'm a Senior Regional 
Representative from Mayer, Minnesota, and I'm here representing 
Pheasants Forever and Quail Forever and over 20,000 supporters 
and 75 chapters here in Minnesota.
    Nationwide, we have 750 community-based chapters and over 
400,000 members and supporters. Congresswoman Bustos, as you're 
aware, Illinois is also one of our highest states for 
membership and mission delivery.
    The farm bill conservation title is very important to us 
and it's critical that farmers, ranchers--oh, excuse me, and 
landowners, are able to have access to a robust and fully 
funded conservation title in the next farm bill.
    All too often, there is more demand. All too often there is 
more demand than funding available and these conservation 
programs provide numerous economic and ecological benefits for 
all Minnesotans and all Americans.
    This includes reducing soil erosion, improving water 
quality, sequestering carbon, creating wildlife habitat for 
pheasants, quail, monarch butterflies, deer, elk and everything 
in between.
    These practices benefit wildlife species and landscapes 
that millions of us hunters, anglers and foragers enjoy and 
also support habitat and recovery efforts for species that are 
on the brink of extinction.
    The conservation title provides voluntary tools that also 
address overall profitability and sustainability in 
agricultural, rangeland and forested ecosystems.
    The primary programs we work with and I've personally 
worked with are the Conservation Reserve Program, Environmental 
Quality Incentives Program, including Working Lands for 
Wildlife, Agriculture Conservation Easement Program, Voluntary 
Public Access, Habitat Incentives Program as well as many 
others in the conservation title.
    We have a nearly 40 year history of closely working with 
NRCS and FSA along with our state agencies and other partners 
to implement these voluntary private land programs across the 
country.
    In addition, we have partnerships with the U.S. Forest 
Service working on public lands and private lands that border 
those Federal lands.
    Over the years, our staff and volunteers have provided 
technical assistance as well as specialized equipment to assist 
with the implementation of our partnerships with USDA.
    When we ask farmers, ranchers and forest landowners to 
implement conservation practices, they should be fully 
supported and appropriately compensated. These practices 
benefit all of society.
    And as we look towards the 2023 Farm Bill, we strongly urge 
you to support the strongest conservation title possible. Thank 
you.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Will. Ruth? Hi, Ruth.

  STATEMENT OF RUTH HOEFS, LE CENTER, MN; ON BEHALF OF DUCKS 
                           UNLIMITED

    Ms. Hoefs. Good morning and thank you for being here today. 
My name is Ruth Hoefs and yes, you did get that correct. I am 
from Le Center, Minnesota, so I'm south of here.
    I also do some farming practices. I'm a former state chair 
for Minnesota Ducks Unlimited, and Ducks Unlimited is the 
largest waterfowl conservation organization in the world with 
over one million supporters.
    I represent approximately 3,000 dedicated members across 
the State of Minnesota that also appreciate the opportunity to 
be here on behalf of Ducks Unlimited today.
    We're proud to have a long history of partnering with 
farmers, ranchers, to deliver conservation and look forward to 
continuing our work with you to sustain the natural resources 
in our rural communities.
    The conservation programs included in the farm bill are a 
key part of our safety net used by farmers and ranchers to 
maximize on farm efficiency, productivity and maintain soil 
health, water quality and wildlife habitat on their lands.
    Conservation is in high demand across the country. We and 
our partners respectively ask that you and your colleagues 
strengthen the support for the most efficient and important 
conservation programs in the farm bill.
    We hope to see a strong wetland and grassland production 
protections continued in the 2023 Farm Bill. We support strong 
funding for important working land programs like Regional 
Conservation Partnership Program, Environmental Quality 
Incentives Program and Conservation Stewardship Program.
    A robust Agricultural Conservation Easement Program. This 
is nationally popular program where demand far exceed funds 
available. An important Conservation Reserve Program through 
expanded grazing opportunities that improve wildlife and 
habitat.
    Ducks Unlimited looks forward working with Representatives 
Craig and Bustos in the future and we look for your support in 
the new ag bill.
    Mrs. Bustos. All right, very good. Thank you, Ruth. I 
appreciate it. Brad, is that you? I love that you have a little 
baby with you. Really, really quick announcement. We have 17 
speakers left.
    We have about 40 minutes left. If there's any way the 
remaining speakers could keep their comments to about 2 
minutes, that would be very, very helpful so we can get through 
to everybody.
    Mr. Gausman. I'll speak quickly and she'll hold me to the 
time limit.
    Mrs. Bustos. Brad, and who's your baby?
    Mr. Gausman. This is Tallulah.
    Mrs. Bustos. Whatever you say, Brad, we will listen and we 
will say whatever Tallulah wants.

   STATEMENT OF BRAD GAUSMAN, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, MINNESOTA 
             CONSERVATION FEDERATION, ST. PAUL, MN

    Mr. Gausman. That's why I brought her. Perfect. All right. 
My name is Brad Gausman. I'm the Executive Director of the 
Minnesota Conservation Federation.
    Since 1936, MNCF has been an advocate for the wild places, 
water and wildlife in Minnesota and we are the state affiliate 
of the National Wildlife Federation. Thank you, 
Representatives, for the opportunity to speak today regarding 
the 2023 Farm Bill.
    Thank you to the Peterson family for hosting this event. 
Farm bill conservation programs deliver a wide array of 
benefits for wildlife habitat, water quality and quantity, soil 
health and climate change mitigation and adaptation as well as 
on-farm benefits and benefits to rural economies.
    In 2020, farm bill supported conservation activities were 
used on over 46.1 million acres, including 2.2 million acres 
for soil health, 7.6 million acres for fish and wildlife 
habitat and 38.3 million acres for water quality.
    Despite these benefits, many popular and effective farm 
bill programs are consistently oversubscribed due to inadequate 
funding. EQIP, CSP, ACEP, among others, are unable to meet 
producer demand.
    Nearly one million producers were turned away from EQIP in 
the last decade alone. The 2023 Farm Bill offers us the chance 
to continue the legacy of conservation through farm bill 
programs.
    It's our hope that the reauthorized farm bill will continue 
the success of currently operating farm bill conservation 
programs, fully fund these programs so that we can receive 
their full benefits and create new opportunities for farmers 
that take part in conservation projects that have benefits far 
outside the borders of any one farm.
    Thank you again for the opportunity to speak today and I 
will be submitting further comments in writing in regards to 
the farm bill. Thank you so much.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. All right. Thank you, Tallulah and Brad. All 
right, Kristy Pursell, Andrew Leach, Charles Krause and Colleen 
Moriarty are up next. Kristy, you are up and then Anika 
Rychner. I'm just letting people know that they should be 
ready. Kristy?

 STATEMENT OF SARAH GOLDMAN, ORGANIZER, REGIONAL FOOD SYSTEMS 
AND FEDERAL POLICY, LAND STEWARDSHIP PROJECT, ST. PAUL, MN; ON 
   BEHALF OF KRISTI PURSELL, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, CLEAN RIVER 
                            PARTNERS

    Ms. Goldman. Great. Thanks for the opportunity to speak 
today. My name is Sarah Goldman and I'm a policy organizer with 
the Land Stewardship Project. I'm stepping in for Kristy 
Pursell.
    She had to step out and head out early. The Land 
Stewardship Project is a member-based organization with 
thousands of farmer members across the state, many of whom 
you'll hear from today.
    The Land Stewardship Project's work is focused on ensuring 
that the health of the land is enhanced, small- and mid-sized 
farms thrive and communities are prosperous and just.
    You've heard from many LSP members today about the need for 
additional support for conservation programs and I'd like to 
uplift one specific bill that I urge you to support, the 
Agriculture Resilience Act (H.R. 2803).
    The ARA is an incredibly robust bill, which will equip 
farmers with the tools that they need to be an integral part of 
the solution to our changing climate.
    Now is the time to provide additional funding for 
innovative programs that allow farmers to invest in the 
resiliency of their operations and take needed steps to help 
mitigate the climate crisis.
    I urge you to support the ARA and thanks for the 
opportunity to speak today.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. Oh, way to go, Sarah. All right. Andrew Leach 
and then Charles Krause. Andrew?

            STATEMENT OF ANDREW LEACH, SUSTAINABLE 
          COMMERCIALIZATION ASSOCIATE, FOREVER GREEN 
         INITIATIVE, DEPARTMENT OF AGRONOMY AND PLANT 
        GENETICS, UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA, ST. PAUL, MN

    Mr. Leach. Thank you to the House Agriculture Committee and 
the Peterson family for hosting this important listening 
session today. My name is Andrew Leach and I work on the 
commercialization, adoption and scaling team of the University 
of Minnesota's Forever Green initiative.
    Forever Green is an agricultural innovation platform 
developing continuous living cover crops and cropping systems 
for the upper Midwest. These crops include perennial grains and 
oil seeds, winter annual cash cover crops, and woody 
perennials.
    The commercialization team helps move these improved and 
novel cover crops from the lab to the field and to the market.
    I'm here today to encourage you to think about the critical 
role that the farm bill can play in accelerating the 
development, launch and scaling of these crops that can better 
protect America's natural resources, mitigate and adapt to 
climate change and generate economic opportunities for growers 
and rural communities.
    Last week, I was on a farm not more than 10 miles from here 
that has Kernza perennial grain intercropped with legumes, 
Minnesota's first winter barley line, and a diverse perennial 
prairie strip.
    The first official worldwide variety of Kernza and the 
first winter barley for Minnesota were both released by Forever 
Green researchers over the last 2 years.
    These crops are now growing on a diversified, productive 
and continuous living cover farm a stone's throw from where we 
sit today.
    These innovations are exciting, but much more support is 
needed and the Federal Government has a role to play, including 
supporting research and development for climate-smart crops, 
including critical work around breeding, agronomy, soil and 
water science, food science, economics and social sciences, 
substantial investment supporting on-farm adoption of climate-
smart agriculture, accelerating investment in the 
entrepreneurs, businesses, infrastructure and market 
development needed to scale production and identifying policy 
barriers and fast tracking Federal strategies to surmount these 
barriers.
    Thanks for your time today.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Andrew. Charles Krause, Colleen, 
Anika Rychner.
    Mr. Krause. Thank you for your time.
    Mrs. Bustos. Charles.

          STATEMENT OF CHARLES KRAUSE, OWNER, KRAUSE 
  HOLSTEINS INC., BUFFALO, MN; ON BEHALF OF DAIRY FARMERS OF 
                            AMERICA

    Mr. Krause. My name is Charles Krause. I'm a dairy farmer 
from central Minnesota. I serve on the Board of Directors for 
Dairy Farmers of America, the largest dairy co-op in America 
and farm with my son Andrew.
    We produce milk and food for 11,000 people across our state 
and our country. I'm grateful for both Angie Craig and Cheri 
Bustos for your bipartisan support to maintain and expand 
school milk options throughout the system, specifically to 
House bills.
    House bills that supports Whole Milk for Healthy Kids Act 
of 2021 (H.R. 1861) and School Milk Nutrition Act of 2021 (H.R. 
4635), which provides that nutrients that kids need and 
sometimes that's the only place they get it.
    There has been a lot of talk about the Dairy Margin 
Coverage Program. I'd like to thank Angie Craig for her support 
of the Supplemental DMC program and that is a good program and 
as a stepped-up basis could be good on that too.
    Conservation, additional funding is needed to the 
conservation title to meet our sustainability goals in the 
dairy community to be greenhouse gas neutral by 2050, so 
whatever we can do to help have a government, have a business 
and have a farm relationship to meet these goals, to be a 
sustainable product, that would be appreciated.
    It's also been brought up by several of the commodity 
organizations about doubling the funding for the Market Access 
Program and Foreign Market Development Program.
    For every $20--for every dollar spent on that, $20 is 
returned, and right now one out of every six days supply of 
milk in the country is exported to overseas markets. So trade 
very important to the agriculture community.
    And then finally, on the nutritional level. The funding of 
the SNAP program helps us provide the bridge to us farmers that 
produce this nutritious food to the people that need it, that 
are going through enduring and difficult situations.
    And then also the Dairy Donation Program. It helps partner 
dairy farms with food banks, which milk is the number one 
requested thing in food banks and on average only 1 gallon of 
milk goes to food banks per person a year.
    So thank you for that support.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. All right. Thank you, Charles. That's an 
interesting stat that I'd never heard. Is it Colleen?
    Ms. Moriarty. It is.
    Mrs. Bustos. All right. Colleen.

   STATEMENT OF COLLEEN MORIARTY, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, HUNGER 
               SOLUTIONS MINNESOTA, ST. PAUL, MN

    Ms. Moriarty. Good afternoon. Thank you very much, Madam 
Chair and Representative Craig for holding this listening 
session today. My name is Colleen Moriarty and I'm the 
Executive Director at Hunger Solutions Minnesota.
    I'd first of all like to start out by thanking the 
agriculture community for this important partnership in the 
farm bill. This dedication to those who need help has made a 
tremendous difference.
    In fact, right now, 430,000 people in this state are on 
SNAP. During the pandemic, the supports that were there to keep 
people--to keep them having access to basic needs was helpful 
and it kept the food shelf numbers at a lower than expected 
rate.
    But now, those kinds of supports are gone and in the last 3 
months, we've seen a 57 percent increase of the numbers of 
people who are going to food shelves. There are over 320 food 
shelves in the State of Minnesota.
    Those numbers are also affected by the cost of inflation 
and the cost of food. It's this important partnership that is 
the fuel, along with TEFAP that keeps the food shelf community 
and the food banks able to support people at a time when they 
need it most.
    And it's your partnership and it's your willingness to work 
together that has made that difference. We also very much 
support fruit and vegetable growers and new farmers and BIPOC 
farmers as a way of adding an inclusive nature into the farm 
bill.
    Thank you very much and thank you to everyone in the ag 
community.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Colleen. Anika and then Kelsey. Hi, 
Anika.

         STATEMENT OF ANIKA RYCHNER, SENIOR DIRECTOR, 
   COMMUNITY ACTION CENTER OF NORTHFIELD INC., NORTHFIELD, MN

    Ms. Rychner. Hello. Hi. Anika Rychner. I'm here from--
that's okay. I'm here from Community Action Center.
    We are a nonprofit human service organization serving Rice 
County, particularly Northfield and Faribault, and we have a 
network of food shelves and the farm bill is important to us, 
connected to SNAP, of course, as Colleen mentioned, but also 
TEFAP.
    We received a rather dire email from a regional food bank 
last week letting us know that their TEFAP commodity foods are 
down 50 percent. At the same time, food shelves like ours are--
our people accessing is up 50 percent for us.
    So we rely heavily on food bank TEFAP commodity foods and 
we ask that, as you enter into this next phase of the farm 
bill, that you remember some of the most vulnerable people in 
our community, seniors, children and others who need our help. 
Thank you.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Anika. Kelsey? Zaavedra.

  STATEMENT OF KELSEY L. ZAAVEDRA, OWNER, HEIRLOOMISTA, NORTH 
                           BRANCH, MN

    Ms. Zaavedra. Thank you. Good morning. Thank you for being 
here, to both of you. My name is Kelsey Zaavedra and I'm an 
emerging farmer in Chisago County and I'm here today because I 
need you to know that I am also what the future of farming 
looks like.
    Farmers like me exist and we feed families like yours. I 
have a 5 acre farm where I grow heirloom vegetables, save seed 
and raise pastured chickens.
    Most of what I produce is sold directly off of my farm in 
my small farm shop and I'm also one of the farmers that 
provides produce to the local Veggie Rx program.
    For those of you who aren't familiar with this, it's a 
statewide program to address food insecurity and health issues 
by way of physicians prescribing fresh vegetables in our local 
clinics.
    People depend on small farms like mine to put actual food 
on their table each week. Now, I didn't grow up farming, but 
it's a lifestyle and a profession that I sought out. My journey 
to find and secure land felt too long.
    I looked into FSA loan programs, but they were incredibly 
cumbersome and clearly designed by those who would never have 
to use them.
    [Applause].
    Ms. Zaavedra. It took me nearly 6 years to find anything 
remotely possible to farm on. I settled for a piece of marginal 
raw land parceled off from an original farm that went under in 
the 1980s farming crisis.
    After 4 years of sweat equity and building my farm from the 
ground up, I was coming into a new stage of my farming career 
where I could really think about investing in my future and I 
was faced with discrimination.
    It led to a 4 month battle with my county to stay on my 
farm. The U.S. has lost more than 20 million acres of farmland 
over the last decade alone and this is a trend that continues 
at an average of 2 million acres per year.
    For months I had no idea if I was going to have to sell my 
farm and become a statistic. All of this is due to the 
perception of what farmers should be and I'm an emerging 
farmer.
    As emerging farmers, we are more likely to have diverse 
operations that look nothing like corn and beans. We are more 
likely to be organic farmers growing early and late into the 
season.
    We are more likely to be women, BIPOC or queer. We are more 
likely to have a different marketing model than our neighboring 
farms and--let's see, where was I? We are more likely to be 
first generation farmers who don't inherit an extensive social 
network related to farmland.
    We are more likely to be starting from scratch and we have 
more grit than you can imagine. Access to land directly 
determines who has the opportunity to succeed in agriculture.
    Thirty-seven percent of my land--my county's land use is 
agricultural. With its close proximity to the Metro, it's ideal 
for growers like myself. I have to end, dang it.
    I just wanted to say in the next farm bill, we would need 
to acknowledge that the playbook is changing and we need 
policies that recognize diverse models of how food is produced 
and we need policies that support farm viability for young 
farmers and for farmers of color.
    Thank you for your time.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Kelsey. All right. Nate Watters, 
Dr. David Wallinga, Gail Donkers, Darrel Mosel. Nate, you're up 
next.

         STATEMENT OF NATE WATTERS, MANAGING PARTNER, 
KEEPSAKE CIDERY LLP, DUNDAS, MN; ON BEHALF OF LAND STEWARDSHIP 
                            PROJECT

    Mr. Watters. Thanks to both of you for having us all here 
and listening to us. Angie, good to see you again. You're 
always welcome in the neighborhood. Thanks to the Petersons, of 
course.
    I know it's no small feat to stop the farm and throw an 
event, so is--you're welcome though, for the excuse to take the 
morning off.
    I'm Nate. I grow apples and make cider over there at 
Keepsake Cidery and Woodskeep Orchard. Today I'm going to be 
speaking on behalf of the Land Stewardship Project's Northfield 
area farm members and supporters.
    This letter has been cosigned by farms such as Open Hands 
Farm, Wax Wing Farm, Keepsake Cidery, and Woodskeep Orchard, 
Pocket Boer Goats, Cloverbee Farm, Simple Harvest Farm, Unruly 
Earth Farm, Springwind Farm, Lone Oak Farm.
    The majority of these farms are small, diverse vegetable, 
fruit, livestock. They're currently out in the fields right now 
and in the barns raising food and products and providing 
services for our beautiful Cannon Valley and beyond.
    Many of these types of farms are the solutions to some of 
the challenges that I'm hearing today. Social injustices, the 
need for new farmers--take off my letter hat, I fully support 
Kelsey and what she just said.
    The need for rural economic development, conservation. 
These are the farms that I believe really address that and we 
need help.
    Small- and mid-sized diverse growers in this region and 
throughout the country face enormous and unique barriers that 
are often overlooked by Federal decision makers and we often 
feel alone and marginalized.
    And we hope that we can be represented, including in the 
farm bill. Some examples of this include, as was just 
mentioned, affordable land. It's almost impossible for many 
young farmers, beginning farmers, to even get on the land that 
they can farm.
    It would be great to have the FSA loan approval process 
improved. We need programs to help beginning farmers just 
simply afford the land. This is a huge roadblock for all 
farmers, including and maybe more than most, farmers of color 
and other marginalized parts of our society.
    I've heard people talk about crop insurance and that's not 
even an option for many of us. If it is, it doesn't really fit 
our farm. And over the past years, as we've seen, there are 
many issues that go along with that.
    Real quick, just to finish up, we're working on building a 
community of healthy food systems and we are feeling a real 
lack of infrastructure and so we would like to encourage some 
infrastructure built around the farm needs that we have, 
including addressing corporate consolidation.
    Thanks so much for your time.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Nate. Dr. David Wallinga? And while 
he's coming up, Gail Donkers, Darrel Mosel, Jason Viana and 
that is--Jason, you're going to be our last speaker. Hold on, 
sorry. I guess there's more. But Doctor?

       STATEMENT OF DAVID WALLINGA, M.D., SENIOR HEALTH 
    OFFICER, FOOD, AGRICULTURE AND HEALTH, HEALTHY PEOPLE & 
    THRIVING COMMUNITIES PROGRAM, NATURAL RESOURCES DEFENSE 
                     COUNCIL, ST. PAUL, MN

    Dr. Wallinga. Yes, hello. Nice to meet you both, 
Representative Craig, Madam Chair, Mrs. Bustos. I am here 
representing the Natural Resources Defense Council where I'm a 
senior scientist on a food and ag team and our three million--
more than three million members and advocates.
    So we have people across different teams looking at doing 
science on and trying to elevate policy opportunities in the 
farm bill to do three things. One, protect our climate. Two, 
improve the soils and biodiversity, and three, help build 
healthier and more resilient communities.
    So I'll be submitting six pages of comments. I'll try to 
zero in on a couple of things in my time. One, cover cropping. 
I think most of us know that cover cropping is one of those 
stewardship practices that we know maintains productivity in 
the face of a changing climate.
    Over the last 2 years, the Administration and the USDA has 
been running a good steward cover crop program. Minnesota has 
645,000 acres enrolled in this program, among more than 12 
million nationwide.
    This is basically a discount for people who are doing cover 
cropping already on their crop insurance. So it's a win-win, 
which we try to identify in all our policies that we promote 
and advocate for are win-wins.
    So Congress has the opportunity now to expand and make this 
good steward program permanent and we would urge you to do so.
    Second of all, producers who are certified organic and 
regenerative producers are already doing the kinds of farm 
practices that many of us support and believe we need to do 
more of into the future.
    And yet, in the farm bill, already has many supports for 
people trying to transition into becoming organic and 
regenerative producers. We urge you to expand those, but in 
addition, though, the transition period, as you know, is 
extremely hard and uncertain.
    Not all producers are resourced to the same level to be 
able to undergo the transition period, so we're urging that 
Members of the Committee and the Congress support a new program 
focused on new and transitional organic and regenerative 
producers from traditionally underserved communities.
    These could be smaller farmers. They could be Native 
American farmers. They could be other farmers of color.
    So again, submitting more formal comments. Hope to talk 
more with you about those details. Thank you.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you so much, Doctor. And everyone is 
invited to submit anything in writing as well. Just to keep 
comments short. Gail, you're up.

  STATEMENT OF GAIL DONKERS, MEMBER, MINNESOTA FARMERS UNION, 
                         FARIBAULT, MN

    Ms. Donkers. Chair Bustos, Representative Craig, thank you 
so much for coming to beautiful Rice County. I hope you enjoy 
your time here with us. We are very happy to have you here with 
us today.
    I am Gail Donkers. I am a farmer here in Rice County and we 
grow row crops and have a very large, diversified livestock 
operation. But I'm here to talk to you about two things. Mental 
health and young farmers.
    As I look to my left and my right, we have a very diverse 
group of people here in the farmers and I think sometimes 
people forget that they are farming 24/7, 365 and that their 
jobs are very stressful.
    I took part in the Safe Talk program that happened that 
they helped facilitate throughout Minnesota and it was very 
beneficial to me and I think that a lot of times we forget how 
stressful weather conditions, a tornado in 2018, drought, 
markets and that type of thing can be for farmers.
    And we need to really help them when it gets to be a tough 
time and step up. Also, young farmers, I'm a mom to two boys 
that are trying to come back into our operation.
    One is in our operation and working with us and one we 
don't quite have enough room for him. So, we would really like 
to have some young farmer programs out there.
    I echo Ed Terry's thing or comments saying that they are 
the future of rural America and we need to work on getting some 
programs.
    I'm not sure what those are, but I just echo him in saying 
that we do need programs for our young farmers to get them 
involved, otherwise we're going to lose them to other areas. So 
thank you.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you very much, Gail. Darrel Mosel and 
then Jason Viana, Nathan Rice. Darrel?

STATEMENT OF DARREL MOSEL, MEMBER AT LARGE, BOARD OF DIRECTORS, 
             LAND STEWARDSHIP PROJECT, GAYLORD, MN

    Mr. Mosel. Chair Bustos, thank you. Angie Craig, thank you 
for coming to Minnesota. I farm with my wife, Diane, just 
outside of the Twin Cities here about 2 hours to the southwest.
    She's a retired school social worker. My sons, Chris and 
his partner, Jake, live in St. Paul and helps on the farm as 
much as he can.
    My youngest son, Michael, with his friend Elise and their 
three children are remodeling an old house right now that I 
think you would enjoy, so you could represent me in the seventh 
district.
    I'll talk to them about it and twist their arm. I currently 
serve on the LSP board for Federal Farm Policy and our 
priorities right now are stopping climate change, sustainable 
farming solutions, rural communities and land access for 
beginning farmers.
    One of our priorities also is crop insurance reform. We 
think that there needs to be sensible payment limitations in 
our organization.
    We represent over 4,000 members for Land Stewardship 
Project and as Sarah just spoke, we are a very diverse group 
and have a lot of members in the rural area.
    I like Bruce Peterson's comment that some of the savings 
from maybe some sort of sensible payment limitations on crop 
insurance could be used for discounts for beginning farmers.
    My son Michael, who is trying to farm with us, is facing 
quite an uphill battle. Unless we actually give him most of our 
farmland, it would be really hard to get started.
    I also like the comments that were made about the beginning 
farmer programs with the FSA. They certainly do need to be 
increased. The land prices right now are well beyond what those 
models put forth.
    I guess I had a lot to say, but I've got to cut it off 
here. So with that then, I guess I would just encourage you to 
look closely at some reforms of crop insurance that look at 
sensible payment limitations. Thank you.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. All right. Thank you very much for your 
brevity as well. Jason Viana, Nathan Rice, Ryan Buck.

 STATEMENT OF JASON VIANA, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, THE OPEN DOOR, 
                           EAGAN, MN

    Mr. Viana. Thank you very much. My name is Jason Viana. I'm 
the Executive Director of The Open Door. We're a hunger relief 
organization in Dakota County.
    Last month we served more than 18,000 people in our 
community and I want to start by saying thank you for being 
here and listening, but also thank you for the action that your 
Committee took during the pandemic.
    I hope, as you go into this farm bill, that you will see 
the lessons learned. The quick action to establish P-EBT, to 
expand benefits for SNAP and to bolster food access programs 
through schools made tremendous impact.
    I think SNAP, as you already know, is an economic stimulus 
to small businesses. It increases health outcomes and it is the 
best poverty fighting tool we have at the Federal level.
    So anything you can do to increase access to SNAP and to 
fund the emergency food access program directly helps our 
organization. I represent more than 1,000 volunteers who give 
time every month to make food accessible to those in our 
community who need it.
    I will tell you that as the support has waned, when the 
pandemic has passed, that's had a real impact on our 
organization.
    We've already spent more money on food purchases this year 
than all of last year combined and that's directly connected to 
the reduction in TEFAP money and the reduction in SNAP 
benefits.
    So we strongly support eliminating the 3 month limit on 
SNAP benefits. We support making it easier to access for 
college students and new refugees and we deeply support 
anything you can do to help access in the suburbs, to reduce 
the eligibility requirements in Lakeville, for example.
    Over 11 percent of the kids need free and reduced lunch 
support. We delivered 300 meals last week to students in low-
income neighborhoods who don't qualify.
    From the pandemic, the easier you make it to get help, the 
more help organizations like ours can give. Thank you for your 
time.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Jason. Nathan Rice.

   STATEMENT OF NATHAN K. RICE, COMMUNICATIONS AND MARKETING 
           DIRECTOR, KISS THE GROUND, MAPLE GROVE, MN

    Mr. Rice. I think I got this down to a minute and a half, 
so thank you so much for hosting this. My name is Nathan Rice. 
I'm the dad of four up in Maple Grove, Minnesota. I'm here 
today as a supporter of the Regenerate America campaign.
    Regenerate America is an unprecedented coalition of 
farmers, businesses, nonprofits and individuals from every 
corner of the country with all political stripes.
    Together, we're amplifying the voices of farmers, ranchers, 
and asking that the 2023 Farm Bill move resources and support 
towards regenerative agriculture. I'm not a farmer or rancher, 
but I'm affected by the farm bill because of the great food 
produced by those farmers and ranchers.
    I'm really looking towards increasing access to healthy, 
regionally sourced food. We need the 2023 Farm Bill to support 
regenerative agriculture and through that, healthy, regionally 
sourced food.
    Healthy soil grows--sorry--more nutrient-dense food for the 
health and well-being of all Americans. Properly functioning 
soils also reduce erosion and runoff, purifying our water 
supply and improving our quality.
    There are tons of great stats we can share with you on 
that, but I wanted to cut it off there. So thank you so much 
for navigating this labyrinth.
    Mrs. Bustos. All right. Very good, thank you, Nathan. Ryan 
Buck, Mike Peterson, Ilan Blustin, Reginaldo Haslett--
something. I'll get to that in a second. Ryan?

STATEMENT OF RYAN BUCK, AGENT, LAKESHORE AGENCY, INC., GOODHUE, 
                               MN

    Mr. Buck. Thank you. We all know with farming comes they 
swing like a pendulum. When the good years are good, we make a 
lot of money. When the bad years are rough, we scratch our 
heads wondering how we're going to move forward.
    If there was something that we could put in the farm bill 
as far as, say, a savings account where a farmer could put 
money away tax-free to save it for a rainy day, to save it for 
those tough years and then when it comes back out and we use 
it, then of course Uncle Sam would get his cut.
    With Section 179, we can spend when we make money and buy 
machinery, but with the pandemic and things that have taken 
place the last 2 years, machinery is kind of hard to come by.
    If you order something now, you might not get it for a 
year, year and a half, just depending on what you buy and where 
it's coming from. So if there was something like that in the 
bill that could help guys kind of offset income so we're not 
feast of famine.
    So thank you. One other thing I'd like to say, 
Representative Craig, thank you for keeping Les in line. I know 
that's a big job. You're doing a very good job at it.
    Ms. Craig. Thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. Where is Les?
    Ms. Craig. Where is Les? Hey, Les. I know I have 
questionable hiring decisions, but it's okay.
    Mrs. Bustos. Hey, Ryan, you'll be glad to know that Les 
brought this up over dinner last night, about the savings 
account. So the--it's been shared with us. Okay. Mike Peterson, 
Ilan Blustin, I think it's Reginaldo, but I might be 
mispronouncing it.
    I apologize, but we'll find out in a minute. Mike?

  STATEMENT OF MIKE PETERSON, OWNER, TWIN OAKS FARM; MEMBER, 
            MINNESOTA FARMERS UNION, NORTHFIELD, MN

    Mr. Mike Peterson. Well, thank you for being here. I 
appreciate you guys just paying attention to our neighborhood 
and another thing we need to pay attention to is kind of 
represented behind us there.
    When I first started coming around this farm, that 4020 was 
about the size tractor that you needed. That's what they need 
here today in this family on this farm.
    One will do the work in I guess a day what that one would 
do in a week and it kind of represents there's probably as 
many--you had enough help to fill that seat back in that day 
and it's hard to find help to fill that seat.
    So we've really got to watch our next generation coming up. 
In our family, we have a young farmer that's part of the Young 
Farmer Loan Program, also part of the EQIP Program that is 
helping with the conservation side of things and he couldn't do 
the right things without that being funded.
    Also, you talk farm bill, that gives you the scale there of 
maybe how it should evolve as far as scope and scale of money 
and things that we need for security and just a safety net.
    Every acre out there is--you can see that it has potential 
and production and 100 percent of it needs to be covered. About 
28 percent of it, I believe, comes to the commodity program 
that is its safety net and the rest goes to the SNAP program.
    So just because of the diligence and the skill sets that 
this family has, it enables the SNAP program too.
    So I'd appreciate you guys having your ears open and with 
your constituents out there and whatnot and the rest of the 
people in that town just as they bring up the need for a farm 
program, explain to them that the SNAP program isn't possible 
without that filling grocery stores.
    So preaching to the choir, but anyway, it's good to be 
around Mr. Wertish here today. I had to work with the better 
looking half at the Rice County Fair on Thursday, but this one, 
I enjoy his company. So you guys straighten all that out at 
Thanksgiving.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Mike. All right, Ilan.

 STATEMENT OF ILAN BLUSTIN, OWNER, IB LIVESTOCK CO., WEBSTER, 
                MN; ON BEHALF OF MINNESOTA 4-H 
                    AGRICULTURE AMBASSADORS

    Mr. Blustin. So, first of all, it's an honor to be here. 
Pleasure to speak to you guys. My name is Ilan Blustin. I'm 
speaking on behalf of the Minnesota 4-H Agriculture Education 
Representatives and the Ag Ambassadors.
    Thank you for the opportunity to be here today and learn 
and we are excited to see where this farm bill will hold the 
future of agriculture. Thank you so much.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. Okay. Reginaldo? Again, my apologies for my 
butchering your name.

           STATEMENT OF REGINALDO HASLETT-MARROQUIN, 
     REGENERATIVE AGRICULTURE PRODUCTION AND FARM MANAGER, 
               SALVATIERRA FARMS; FOUNDER AND CO-
         EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, REGENERATIVE AGRICULTURE 
                    ALLIANCE, NORTHFIELD, MN

    Mr. Haslett-Marroquin. [inaudible] Reginaldo Haslett-
Marroquin. I farm 75 acres just off of Highway 19. Nice to see 
you again, Representative Angie Craig.
    And I am really honored to be not only in your presence, 
but also in the presence of people like Mike Peterson, Dave 
Legvold, Jim and Bill and Dr. Wallinga. I mean, all of those 
folks have been a tremendous help.
    As a new immigrant, I needed that kind of support, 
infrastructure and system in order to just get my skills in 
agriculture put to work here. I'm an agronomist. I'm from 
Guatemala. I'm a scientist.
    I came into this place with an eagerness for 
entrepreneurial development. I have over 15 companies that I 
have helped develop, including the Peace Coffee and recently 
with Jim with Tree-Range, the Regenerative Agriculture 
Alliance, part of the staff is here too.
    We really went at it full time. We are not asking for 
favors. We are not asking for handouts.
    We're not asking for pity, none of that stuff, but we 
really, really, really have to fix this whole Farm Service 
Agency and how it finances farmers, because for as much as we 
know how to do and as good as we are at it, we have gotten zero 
support from the Federal Government.
    Now, we are not competing with anybody here. In fact, we 
are really glad and we are happy to endorse everything that has 
been said. We need corn growers. We need soybean growers. We 
need all the farming that you see here, but it doesn't apply to 
us.
    Us, I mean, immigrants and small farmers [inaudible]. If 
you add up all of the challenges and situations that have been 
described already today, times that by ten times and you 
probably start getting the idea of what it takes for some of 
us.
    Now, I did buy the farm, but it took me 20 years after 
another 10 years. So 10 years first, I actually saved enough 
money to buy a farm, 67 acres--buy into a farm in Jordan, 
Minnesota.
    Now, I was literally physically removed from that land by 
discrimination by neighbors who just didn't like the idea that 
I was landowner next to them.
    Now, probably because I wasn't Lutheran or Catholic, I 
don't know exactly why. But that is--that's the case. Now, I 
came here to Northfield. I went in full time as well. Got fully 
engaged in this community, built a lot of infrastructure in 
this town, but I wanted to farm.
    That's my thing. And it is the thing of many thousands of 
us here who are right now just ready to help these communities 
get better and just don't have the opportunity, because we have 
to pay for everything on our own and it is already stacked 
against us with all of the support that exists, except the fact 
that we can't access it.
    And I can get into more details and I will be working 
further with LSP of course, because it's one of the stronger 
organizations here. Sarah Goldman was laying out some of that 
framework.
    I truly hope that you listen to that part, because that--
the Farm Service Agency is really the key to a lot of this, but 
right now it's structured against any of these innovations and 
the potential future of rural communities to get a foothold 
into this emerging systems and opportunities that we have 
brought into this country.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, sir. Nick Gardner and then we're 
going to close with Jim Checkel. Last two speakers. Nick and 
then Jim, get ready. All right. Hi, Nick.

 STATEMENT OF NICK GARDNER, DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS, PERENNIAL 
                     PANTRY, BURNSVILLE, MN

    Mr. Gardner. Hi. Thank you to the Congressional Agriculture 
Committee and Bruce Peterson for hosting this listening session 
today.
    I'm Nick Gardner. I am Director of Operations at Perennial 
Pantry, a processor and food company in Burnsville that's 
working on Kernza, a perennial grain, as well as other 
continuous living cover crops such as sainfoin, camelina.
    As Andrew Leach of the University of Minnesota laid out, 
continuous living cover crops like Kernza are in the ground 
actively. They're cleaning water. They're preserving topsoil. 
They're improving soil health and sequestering carbon.
    In order to scale these projects from the pilot scale to 
the landscape scale, we need to dramatically increase the 
market.
    I want to share a success story that happened here in 
Minnesota that we believe should inform the Federal farm bill.
    A year ago, my team looked around and believed Kernza and 
other new crops were approaching an adoption tipping point and 
reached--that tipping point reached by work of nonprofits, 
land-grant universities and small businesses.
    In partnership with other advocates, we believed it was 
time to advocate for increased state commercialization support 
and in order to begin dramatically scaling the acreage and the 
acreage impact of continuous living cover crops.
    So with the help of nonprofits and entrepreneurs, a 
coalition met with state representatives, developed legislation 
and got signed into law bipartisan legislation creating a 
Continuous Living Cover Value Chain Development Fund (M.L. 
2022, Chp. 94, Sec. 2, Subd. 10k).
    So this legislation will invest in the supply chains of 
Kernza, winter camelina, elderberry and hazelnuts.
    Significant state investment in debriding and basic 
research has created the opportunities of these new crops and 
now it's time to cash in on those incredible scientific 
innovations.
    So I'm excited to share that because of this bill, 
Perennial Pantry is in the process of building a new facility 
here in Northfield, which will increase our output five times 
and we're confident in our ability to jump from totes to 
truckloads now because of this legislation in Minnesota.
    We believe strongly in the fellow voices here today calling 
for regenerative agriculture and I'll just end by saying 
Minnesota has this tangible, novel approach that should be 
looked in to and invested in to, to bring new economic 
development.
    Yes. Let's support this one win. Thank you.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. All right, thank you, Nick. It is noon on the 
dot, so we are going to go a couple minutes over. Is everybody 
okay with that so we can allow Jim to make his comments? Okay, 
very good. Jim, you're closing it up, buddy.
    Mr. Checkel. Okay. Thank you for saving the worst for last.
    Mrs. Bustos. No, the best.

  STATEMENT OF JAMES CHECKEL, OWNER, CHECKEL FARM, KASSON, MN

    Mr. Checkel. My name is Jim Checkel and a couple things 
that haven't been brought up is that a lot of people think that 
the food just comes from the grocery store. There's not a lot 
of knowledge of what goes on in agriculture.
    And I would like to see more education to the general 
public of where their food actually comes from. I agree 100 
percent with Gail about the mental health issues, so I won't go 
into that.
    The third thing that I would like to address is that when I 
talk with people from the Department of Ag, FSA, different 
groups, they have trouble finding people with knowledge of 
agriculture.
    And so what I would like to see is more funding for 
universities and community colleges and things like that, to 
develop better ag programs.
    More online learning, more broadband, things like that, 
where we're able to take and get people with ag knowledge to 
fill positions in the FSA and the Department of Ag and the 
universities and the FFA advisors in schools and things like 
that.
    Mrs. Bustos. All right. Thank you very much, Jim. With 
that, we will bring this to a close. A couple announcements.
    For those who were not able to make your comments public, 
there is another opportunity for ranchers, consumers, 
taxpayers, farmers, anybody who would like to make comments, 
all you have to do--there's an online form and it's at 
agriculture.house.gov. Agriculture.house.g-o-v.
    And so if you know of anybody who wasn't able to make it 
today and they would like to make a comment, please go to that. 
This was official.
    Again, we recorded this entire listening session today, 
this field hearing and heard about everything from ethanol to 
conservation to young farmers to mental health.
    All of this will be considered as we enter into laying the 
groundwork for the 2023 Farm Bill. So incredibly, incredibly 
helpful. Again, I want to thank the Peterson family for being 
so kind in welcoming us to their farm. Let's hear it for them, 
please.
    And I also want to say--I don't like to pick favorites, but 
Tallulah is my favorite. How old is Tallulah, by the way?
    Mr. Gausman. Nine months.
    Mrs. Bustos. Nine months, so our youngest presenter today. 
And then with that, I'm going to hand it over to your 
Congresswoman, Angie Craig, who fought to make sure that we had 
a field hearing and listening session right here in her 
district in Minnesota to make sure that helped get the 2023 
Farm Bill in the right place.
    So with that, Congresswoman Angie Craig, you get to close 
this out.
    Ms. Craig. Well, thank you so much, Chair Bustos, and thank 
you for coming to Minnesota and to all of you. I just want to 
call out Carol as well. Carol, thank you so much for having us 
here--the entire Peterson family.
    And thanks to all of you. This is just a tremendous turnout 
of folks across Minnesota. Commissioner Peterson, thank you so 
much for being here. It's really an honor to represent this 
Congressional district.
    If you're from this district, you've probably heard me tell 
my own story a number of times; but, Collin Peterson helped 
lead the last farm bill.
    I may not have been there as long as he had, but I'm a lot 
cuter than he is, and a lot less cranky most days. So I'll just 
leave you with that and you can tell him I said that.
    But my own story is my grandfather was a family farmer. I 
often tell people when they ask where am I from, I say, well, I 
live in Egan. That's south of the Cities. We all talk like this 
down here.
    But this accent, I grew up just off of the land that my 
grandfather farmed, and after I spent 22 years working my way 
up a Minnesota healthcare company, doing a lot of work in trade 
outside the United States, when I got to Congress, I told 
Collin Peterson my first choice is to be on the Agriculture 
Committee and he said, why?
    And I said, because my grandfather was a family farmer in 
the 1980s farm crisis and that crisis took him out. My 
grandmother is 96 years old. She still lives off the family 
farm where my grandfather farmed.
    Those grain bins in that little town, they're rusted and 
they're inoperable these days. So I've made a commitment, as 
your Member of Congress from Minnesota's Second District and as 
long as I'm there for every single farmer across Minnesota, the 
guy from the Seventh a minute ago, I'm your Congresswoman too 
when it comes to family farming.
    I'm going to do everything I can to keep our family farms 
operating and that means we have got to have a strong, strong 
farm bill in 2023. And then last, I heard you today.
    When we talk about the aging of the family farmer, when we 
talk about the need for young farmers, we've got to create a 
system that enables that more, and a more diverse set of family 
farms across our community.
    So again, it's an honor to represent Minnesota. Honor to 
represent Minnesota's Second District and just thank you so 
much for coming out and such a strong showing for the 
Agriculture Committee.
    Thank you, staff, for everything that you do and thank you 
again for being here.
    (Thereupon, the listening session was adjourned at 12:05 
p.m., C.D.T.)
    [Material submitted for inclusion in the record follows:]
                         Supplementary Material
   the listening session in northfield, mn: a visual retrospective *
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    * https://www.flickr.com/photos/houseagdems/albums/
72177720300494115.


          Hon. Cheri Bustos, a Representative in Congress from 
        Illinois; Hon. Angie Craig, a Representative in Congress from 
        Minnesota
        
        
          Bruce Peterson, Owner, Far-Gaze Farms
        
        
          Thom Peterson, Commissioner, Minnesota Department of 
        Agriculture
        
        
          Dan Glessing, President, Minnesota Farm Bureau Federation 
        
        
          Gary Wertish, President, Minnesota Farmers Union
        
        
          Bob Worth, President, Minnesota Soybean Growers Association
        
        
          Vince Baack, Chief Business Officer, New Fashion Pork; on 
        behalf of Minnesota Pork Producers Association
        
        
          Richard Syverson, Agronomy Manager, Syverson Family Farms; 
        First Vice President, Minnesota Corn Growers Association
        
        
          Steve Schlangen, Co-Owner, Schlangen Dairy; Chairman, Board 
        of Directors, Associated Milk Producers, Inc.
        
        
          Dave Buck, Co-Owner, Bucks Unlimited; Member, Board of 
        Directors, Minnesota Milk Producers Association
        
        
          John Zimmerman, Owner, P&J Products Co.; Secretary/Treasurer, 
        Executive Committee, National Turkey Federation
        
        
          Ed Terry, Co-Owner, Terry Farms
        
        
          Dave Legvold, Farmer, Legvold Farms; on behalf of Land 
        Stewardship Project; Clean River Partners
        
        
          K.C. Graner, Senior Vice President of Agronomy, Central Farm 
        Service
        
        
          Jim Kleinschmit, Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer, 
        Other Half Processing SBC and Tree-Range Farms/Regeneration 
        Farms LLC
        
        
          Deborah Mills, Operator, Mills Dairy Farm; Vice President, 
        Minnesota Farmers Union, Goodhue County; Member, Board of 
        Directors, National Dairy Producers Organization; Member, Board 
        of Directors, Organization for Competitive Markets
        
        
          Brad Hovel, Owner, Hovel Farms; Governing Board Member, 
        Minnesota Soybean Growers Association
        
        
          Harold Wolle, Member, Corn Board, National Corn Growers 
        Association
        
        
          Jim Kanten, Secretary, Minnesota Corn Growers Association
        
        
          Brian Thalmann, Member, Corn Board, National Corn Growers 
        Association
        
        
          Eric Hokanson, Financial Officer, Compeer Financial, ACA
        
        
          Matt Maier, Owner, Thousand Hills Lifetime Grazed
        
        
          Will Clayton, Senior Representative, Eastern Minnesota 
        Region, Pheasants Forever and Quail Forever
        
        
          Ruth Hoefs; on behalf of Ducks Unlimited
        
        
          Brad Gausman, Executive Director, Minnesota Conservation 
        Federation
        
        
          Sarah Goldman, Organizer, Regional Food Systems and Federal 
        Policy, Land Stewardship Project; on behalf of Kristi Pursell, 
        Executive Director, Clean River Partners
        
        
          Andrew Leach, Sustainable Commercialization Associate, 
        Forever Green Initiative, Department of Agronomy and Plant 
        Genetics, University of Minnesota
        
        
          Charles Krause, Owner, Krause Holsteins Inc.; on behalf of 
        Dairy Farmers of America
        
        
          Colleen Moriarty, Executive Director, Hunger Solutions 
        Minnesota
        
        
          Anika Rychner, Senior Director, Community Action Center of 
        Northfield Inc.
        
        
          Kelsey L. Zaavedra, Owner, Heirloomista
        
        
          Nate Watters, Managing Partner, Keepsake Cidery LLP; on 
        behalf of Land Stewardship Project
        
        
          David Wallinga, M.D., Senior Health Officer, Food, 
        Agriculture and Health, Healthy People & Thriving Communities 
        Program, Natural Resources Defense Council
        
        
          Gail Donkers, Member, Minnesota Farmers Union
        
        
          Darrel Mosel, Member at Large, Board of Directors, Land 
        Stewardship Project
        
        
          Jason Viana, Executive Director, The Open Door
        
        
          Nathan K. Rice, Communications and Marketing Director, Kiss 
        the Ground
        
        
          Ryan Buck, Agent, Lakeshore Agency, Inc.
        
        
          Mike Peterson, Owner, Twin Oaks Farm; Member, Minnesota 
        Farmers Union
        
        
          Ilan Blustin, Owner, IB Livestock Co.; on behalf of Minnesota 
        4-H Agriculture Ambassadors
        
        
          Reginaldo Haslett-Marroquin, Regenerative Agriculture 
        Production and Farm Manager, Salvatierra Farms; Founder and Co-
        Executive Director, Regenerative Agriculture Alliance
        
        
          Nick Gardner, Director of Operations, Perennial Pantry
        
        
          James Checkel, Owner, Checkel Farm
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Supplementary Material Submitted by David Wallinga, M.D., Senior Health 
   Officer, Food, Agriculture and Health, Healthy People & Thriving 
         Communities Program, Natural Resources Defense Council


    Part of safeguarding the Earth is to consider what we eat and how 
we produce our food, since they are inextricably linked to climate 
change. The Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) therefore 
appreciates this opportunity, on behalf of our three million members 
and advocates, to provide written testimony to the Committee 
highlighting the great potential for the 2023 Farm Bill to help protect 
our climate, enhance soil health and other biodiversity, and build 
healthier and more resilient communities.
    NRDC works to safeguard the Earth--its people, its plants, and its 
animals, and the natural systems on which life depends. While in some 
respects our current food and farm system poses threats to our health 
and environment, the next farm bill can plant and grow the seeds for 
something better. Scaled-up investments in climate-smart forestry and 
agriculture, combined with an expanded rural clean energy economy, will 
make our farming communities more resilient. They also will empower 
farmers to help mitigate the biodiversity and climate challenges that 
threaten farmers' crops, and their way of life. Finally, these 
investments will help farmers navigate the financial, technical, and 
social challenges that may arise as they innovate. Additionally, 
however, to maximize their benefits to public health, to ecosystems, 
and to local economies and communities, these public investments must 
also prioritize the needs of historically underserved and under-
resourced populations.
I. Rural Jobs and Economic Development
    Clean Energy Jobs in Rural America. Clean energy jobs are one path 
to economic prosperity in rural communities. A shift to a cleaner 
economy will expand income opportunities for producers and small 
businesses, reduce volatility and enhance the predictability of energy 
costs for farmers, consumers, and other rural businesses, and create 
major new job opportunities.
    According to the Clean Jobs America 2021 report, released by E2, 
the clean energy economy is inherently local.\1\ In rural non-
metropolitan [statistical] areas, there are nearly 400,000 workers 
(about 13%) of the entire clean energy workforce--and for many rural 
states, clean energy jobs account for significantly more than that.\2\ 
In Minnesota, this translates into 12,279 (or 22.2%) of total statewide 
clean energy jobs.\3\ Nationally, \1/4\ of all clean energy jobs are in 
rural areas in 21 states, and in four states more than half of clean 
energy jobs are rural.
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    \1\ E2 (Environmental Entrepreneurs) is a national, nonpartisan 
group of business leaders, investors, and professionals from every 
sector of the economy who advocate for smart policies that are good for 
the economy and good for the environment. E2 members have founded or 
funded more than 2,500 companies, created more than 600,000 jobs, and 
manage more than $100 billion in venture and private equity capital. E2 
releases more than a dozen clean energy employment reports annually--
including Clean Jobs America--with state-specific reports covering more 
than 20 states every year.
    \2\ Clean Jobs America 2021, https://www.powermag.com/wp-content/
uploads/2021/04/e2-2021-clean-jobs-america-report-04-19-2021.pdf.
    \3\ Ibid. Table 6, U.S. Rural Area Clean Energy Employment by 
State, 2020.
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    While a clean energy transition will help the nation as a whole to 
confront the climate crisis, we want to ensure people in rural 
communities will benefit sooner from all the economic benefits that 
transition provides. To that end, it is important for the USDA in 
moving forward to support companies in rural communities that are 
helping farmers and rural consumers transition to cleaner energy. We 
urge Congress to fund the USDA to speed up the deployment of rural 
clean energy, business development and job training, particularly for 
traditionally under-resourced and underserved rural communities. USDA 
should continue and expand its support for the Rural Energy for America 
Program and also support the transition to clean energy of rural 
electricity co-ops and utilities.
    Civilian Climate Corps. President Roosevelt created the Civilian 
Conservation Corps (CCC) in 1933 at a time when the nation desperately 
needed jobs--and hope. Today we are at a similar moment. We also face 
the twin environmental challenges of biodiversity collapse and climate 
change. Charting the path forward for an equitable, climate-resilient 
recovery is hard work--work that requires pragmatism and vision.
    USDA should support and pilot a program that mimics the CCC and 
expand it into private lands. The Forest Service has a deep connection 
to CCC programs, but private lands could also benefit from a revived 
and modern program operating on these lands. The program could connect 
farmers and ranchers with a civilian workforce to take on agriculture 
projects that increase biodiversity, restore critical wildlife habitat, 
increase carbon sequestration on working lands, and improve access to 
nature. The USDA agencies, Forest Service, Natural Resource 
Conservation Service and even the Animal Plant Health Inspection 
Service (APHIS) have a role to play. And this proposal would mirror the 
small but significant FY 22 and FY 23 budget proposals USDA made to 
pilot an APHIS CCC hub to cultivate the next generation of growers, 
create good agricultural jobs for underemployed Americans, promote 
rural entrepreneurship and rural economic development.
II. Water Infrastructure
    Much of our nation's water infrastructure is like an old, rusty car 
which for decades has gone without an oil change or a brake job. This 
critical infrastructure desperately needs fixes and upgrades, and 
public investment to make that happen. Without those investments, the 
source of clean, safe drinking water for many of us will collapse, bit 
by bit, or perhaps catastrophically fail. There are three underlying 
causes:

  (1)  Underinvestment in our water infrastructure so water systems too 
            often rely on outdated and inadequate treatment and 
            distribution systems;

  (2)  A broken Safe Drinking Water Act that leaves unregulated 
            widespread and hazardous contaminants like PFAS and allows 
            weak enforcement the drinking water standards that do 
            exist; and

  (3)  Poor to nonexistent controls on many major water polluters. Low-
            income areas often lack any access to effective sanitation 
            or safe, piped drinking water.

    Despite our many efforts and successes to date, drinking water 
contamination still wreaks devastating impacts. An estimated 7.1 to as 
many as 12 million Americans are sickened annually by pathogen-
contaminated tap and other water--and this does not include the impacts 
of toxics. Tens of millions are served by water systems violating EPA's 
health standards. There are 9-12 million leaded service lines 
nationwide, and school children drinking lead-contaminated water is a 
widespread problem. Tens of millions of Americans, perhaps more than 
100 million, are drinking tap water polluted with PFAS ``forever'' 
chemicals
    In Minnesota, rural well water often has too-high arsenic levels, 
and is often contaminated by bacteria or nitrates, as well. In new 
wells drilled in the state since 2008, arsenic is detected (typically, 
the level of detection is around 2 mg/L) in 40 percent of them; around 
10% of Minnesota's private wells have arsenic levels higher than 10 mg/
L.4-5 Drinking water containing any arsenic can increase the 
risks of developing risks cancer and other serious health effects. 
Arsenic is in groundwater throughout the state, but it is more likely 
in some areas.
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    \4\ Minnesota Department of Health (MDH), ``Arsenic in Well 
Water'', access at https://www.health.state.mn.us/communities/
environment/water/wells/waterquality/arsenic.html. For community water 
systems, the EPA has set a goal of zero, but 10 mg/L is the agency's 
EPA's maximum contaminant level for arsenic.
    \5\ Minnesota Pollution Control Agency (MPCA), Contaminated 
groundwater concerns mount in Minnesota, February 24, 2016, https://
www.pca.state.mn.us/featured/contaminated-groundwater-concerns-mount-
minnesota.
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    In central Minnesota, up to 60% of groundwater samples from 
monitoring wells are contaminated with nitrate well beyond the safe 
drinking water standard; Goodhue and Hastings are among the small 
cities listed by MPCA as having excessive nitrates in drinking 
water.\6\ Nitrate-contaminated drinking water can lead to illnesses 
such as Blue Baby Syndrome, which is potentially fatal in infants.
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    \6\ Ibid.
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    Minnesota Department of Health testing of water systems across the 
state for contamination with toxic forever chemicals per- and 
polyfluoroalkyl substances (PFAS) has found widespread contamination of 
drinking water.\7\ This occurs in both large systems and in many rural 
areas. Cleanup of this drinking water will be crucial to protecting 
public health.
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    \7\ See Minnesota Department of Health, PFAS Testing of Community 
Water Systems. Access at https://mdh.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/
index.html?appid=63515695237f425ea7120d1
aac1fd09a.
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    Additionally, according to the Minnesota Department of Health 
(MDH), there are estimated to be 100,000 lead service lines remaining 
in the state.\8\ MDH has found that removing these lead service lines 
would cost from $228 million to $365 million, but for the children who 
would benefit the gain in IQ and lifetime earnings would be from 5.8 to 
more than 18 times higher than the costs. The estimated benefits to 
children, in other words, would be worth $2.1 billion to $4.2 
billion.\9\ These enormous benefits still are likely underestimates, 
according to MDH. Left out of those estimates, for example, was the 
estimated dollar value from reduced cardiovascular disease and deaths, 
and reductions in other chronic diseases, that would be the outcome of 
reduced exposure to lead in water service lines.
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    \8\ Minnesota Department of Health, Lead in Minnesota Water: 
Assessment of Eliminating Lead in Minnesota Drinking Water, Feb. 2019, 
Updated March 8, 2019. Access at https://www.health.state.mn.us/
communities/environment/water/docs/leadreport.pdf.
    \9\ Ibid at 25, Table 4.
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    The farm bill, along with other legislative vehicles, presents a 
unique opportunity to further tackle this issue, including the 
opportunity to:

   Invest additional resources in fixing our water 
        infrastructure, paying special attention to the affordability 
        and needs of lower-income and disproportionately affected 
        communities.

   Fund fixes to lead in our water, including removing lead 
        service lines in rural areas.

    In addition to addressing these urgent needs in the farm bill, we 
urge Committee members to work with your colleagues include those 
serving on the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works to fix 
the Safe Drinking Water Act. That law has failed to effectively control 
many drinking water contaminants such as the class of forever chemicals 
called PFAS and other threats to public health from tap water 
contamination. We also urge Committee members to work with your 
colleagues to fund investments in water infrastructure--including in 
rural communities--through reconciliation, appropriations, and other 
moving legislative vehicles. Additionally, we urge you to press the 
Environmental Protection Agency to swiftly overhaul its weak Lead and 
Copper Rule, which Administrator Regan and Vice President Harris have 
said needs to be strengthened, to address lead problems like those 
experienced in Flint, MI and many cities, small towns and schools in 
Minnesota and across the country.
III. Conservation
    The 2023 Farm Bill is an opportunity to break significant ground on 
the pathways for regenerative agriculture. Over the last 2 years, NRDC 
interviewed over 100 regenerative farmers in 47 states, including Kent 
Solberg of Seven Pines Farm in Minnesota. These interviews revealed a 
deep interest in the pathways for regenerative agriculture and its 
foundational premise--that Regenerative Agriculture is an approach 
towards greater adoption of agricultural practices that are in harmony 
with the earth, and also a vehicle towards greater economic 
independence.
    The farm bill represents a critical tool to curb climate change, 
promote adaptation, and empower farmers.
    Permanent Extension of the Good Steward Cover Crop Program (FCIP). 
Cover cropping is one regenerative practice that offers a multitude of 
benefits, including helping farmers to maintain productivity in the 
face of climate change. Recognizing these benefits the Biden 
Administration has, for the past 2 years, offered farmers who plant 
cover crops a ``good steward'' incentive through their Federal crop 
insurance.\10\ In the first year of the program, 12 million acres 
participated, including 645,000 acres in Minnesota; in 2021, Minnesota 
producers received more than $3.1 million in funding under the program. 
Congress should expand on this important program and authorize a 
permanent incentive for farmers who use cover crops and build soil 
health. A permanent program would be a cost-effective way to encourage 
farmers to adopt risk-mitigating practice like cover-cropping, but also 
would provide farmers with an additional measure of certainty to be 
factored into the decision of whether they can afford to buy cover crop 
seeds.
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    \10\ The Pandemic Cover Crop Program is modeled on state-based 
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    Extend and Expand the Soil Health Demonstration Trial. The 2018 
Farm Bill created a visionary program at NRCS, called ``On-Farm 
Conservation Innovation Trials''. Its goal was to foster more 
widespread adoption of innovative on-farm conservation practices. One 
program component has been the Soil Health Demonstration (SHD) Trial 
which has focused exclusively on fostering innovation around practices 
that improve soil health. The program should be made permanent and 
expanded to allow more farmers and more regions to benefit from soil 
health innovation.
    Build Agroforestry Capacity. USDA needs clearer and more direct 
authorities in agroforestry, a form of regenerative agriculture rooted 
in traditional Indigenous land management. These authorities are 
critical to help rebuild riparian forest buffers; incorporate trees 
into livestock pastures; and support alley cropping, forest farming, 
and windbreaks. USDA has several tools to work with, including the 
National Agroforestry Center, the USDA Strategic Plan in agroforestry, 
and the authorities in both EQIP and within the State and Private 
Forestry program. However, USDA's authorities for the Forest Service 
and the Natural Resource Conversation Service in agroforestry are 
limited and lack a holistic and consistent implementation within USDA. 
Congress should guide USDA to scale these capacities to support farmers 
and ranchers who wish to invest in regenerative agroforestry.
IV. Food Waste
    In the 2023 Farm Bill development process, we urge the Committee 
and Congresswoman Craig to utilize our newly released report, 
``Opportunities to Reduce Food Waste in the 2023 Farm Bill,'' that 
outlines 22 specific recommendations for actions Congress should take 
to reduce food waste in the 2023 Farm Bill.\11\ Given the bipartisan 
support for measures to reduce food waste and demonstrated successes 
from the food waste measures in the previous farm bill, the 2023 Farm 
Bill provides an exciting opportunity to invest in food waste reduction 
efforts for greater social, economic, and environmental benefits. Most 
of the recommendations would have a direct impact on food waste at the 
state and local level, and the state and local governments' ability to 
address food waste. A couple examples of recommendations that would 
better enable states like Minnesota to address food waste include:
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Bill, April 26, 2022, https://www.nrdc.org/experts/yvette-cabrera/
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    Provide Grants and Loans for Food Waste Processing Infrastructure. 
Organics make up about \1/3\ of the waste stream in Minnesota, which is 
similar to rates across the country.\12\ The lack of adequate 
infrastructure and services makes recycling of organic material--
particularly food waste--a challenge, however. Though organics 
recycling has steadily increased in Minnesota over the last decade, 
only 13 of the 172 permitted composting facilities in Minnesota accept 
food waste.
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Policy Report accessed via https://www.leg.mn.gov/docs/2020/mandated/
200036.pdf.
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    To keep organic waste out of landfills and reduce impacts on the 
climate, environment and health, public investment is needed to help 
communities develop their organic waste processing capabilities. In 
addition, according to a 2020 EPA report, composting creates twice as 
many jobs as landfills.\13\ In the next farm bill, Congress should 
amend the Community Compost and Food Waste Reduction Project program to 
increase the total and per project funding available, reduce or 
eliminate the matching requirement, and expand the list of eligible 
entities who may apply for grant funding to also include state 
governments, as well as nongovernmental organizations and community 
groups that work with partners in rural locations or across regions.
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Information (REI) Report, 2020, https://www.epa.gov/smm/recycling-
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    In addition, Congress should increase funding for the Solid Waste 
Management Grant (SWMG) program and the Water and Waste Disposal Loans 
and Grant program, continue to prioritize projects in which the 
implementing agencies prioritize food waste reduction, and consider 
extending the SWMG program to 2 years. Congress should also create 
funding streams along the lines envisioned in the COMPOST Act of 2021 
and Zero Food Waste Act of 2021 to support new compost and anaerobic 
digestion infrastructure.14-15
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    Support Compost End Markets. Creating end markets for compost 
products will simultaneously store carbon in working lands and support 
increased composting. By giving compost facilities a market to sell 
compost, the facilities may be able to reduce their tipping fees and 
draw more food waste generators to compost rather than landfill their 
waste. In turn, this will make composting a more viable and less 
expensive option than throwing organic waste materials in a landfill. 
Farmers in Minnesota and beyond can also benefit from compost end 
markets as they can use the soil amendment products derived from 
composting or anaerobic digestion (compost products) to improve the 
quality of their soil. The Minnesota Pollution Control Agency and the 
Minnesota Department of Transportation already support expanded end 
markets for compost by encouraging use of compost in a wide array of 
projects that help protect groundwater and surface water while 
preventing erosion. In order to bolster state and local efforts to 
realize the social and environmental benefits of composting, Congress 
should create a crop insurance premium incentive program that pays 
farmers a per acre bonus for applying compost products to their fields 
before planting, modeled after the Pandemic Cover Crop Program (PCCP). 
Congress also should increase Federal procurement of compost products 
containing recycled organic waste materials, by requiring Federal 
agencies to prioritize purchasing of compost made from recycled organic 
waste materials when purchasing landscaping services.
    If implemented, the recommendations in the aforementioned farm bill 
report would support Minnesota's efforts to ensure food feeds people 
first, and food waste is reduced. Through food waste reduction, plus 
composting of any remaining food, the state could mitigate the 
environmental consequences of food waste as well.
Organic/Nutrition
    Most people buy organic because they want to eat healthier. But the 
health benefits of organic agriculture extend far beyond individual 
dinner plates. Organic farmers produce healthy food without toxic 
pesticides and use climate-friendly practices that lower greenhouse gas 
emissions and boost resiliency. Local and regional food producers--
including areas where organic farming is highly concentrated--can also 
provide critical economic stability in rural communities. The 2023 Farm 
Bill offers an opportunity to continue long-standing support of organic 
farmers and ranchers in Minnesota and throughout the country.
    Adoption of new procurement priorities for the USDA Farm to School 
program. California launched a new Farm to School program in 2021. Like 
all farm to school programs, including Minnesota's, the program in 
California seeks to improve the health and well-being of its most 
vulnerable children, while creating much needed stable markets for the 
state's smaller scale farmers and ranchers. It dispersed $8.5M in 
grants during its first year and is poised to spend up to $30M this 
year to support local school food procurement. California's approach is 
unique, however, because it commits to giving school districts extra 
resources when they purchase from local growers using organic and other 
climate-smart systems and practices. In the next farm bill, the Federal 
Farm to School program should adopt California's approach and offer 
schools around the country who prioritize climate-smart organic 
procurement larger grants.
    Authorize and Fund New Federal Organic & Regenerative Transition 
Programs. To encourage more producers to pursue organic agriculture and 
realize the full potential of its climate, health, biodiversity and 
other benefits, the next farm bill needs to continue to prioritize 
well-funded transition programs for organic farmers. It will be 
especially important to provide producer grants and expanded region-
specific technical assistance. The 2018 Farm Bill included several 
programs to ease the path forward for organic producers.
    To expand on that work, the upcoming farm bill should establish a 
new organic transition program targeted specially to underserved 
farmers and ranchers, including producers of color, in Minnesota and 
beyond. They are the producers for whom the uncertainty during the 
three year organic certification process poses the highest hurdle to 
success. Smaller-scale farmers, and especially farmers of color, 
typically operate on profit margins that are very thin. For these 
producers, the process of transitioning to organic status is long and 
hard, with a steep learning curve; that transition also adds to these 
farmers' financial risk, however.
    During the transition period, Federal law mandates these farmers to 
rely exclusively on practices that improve soil health, foster 
biodiversity, reduce reliance on harmful, fossil-fuel based pesticides 
and fertilizers, and more. During transition, however, even while they 
are investing time and money in these practices that are fully 
compliant with organic standards, there is no additional financial 
return generated since their products cannot be marketed and sold as 
organic. This transition program would level the playing field, 
empowering more producers with essential support that brings organic 
within closer reach.
    Increase Funding for Existing Organic Programs. Increase funding 
for existing organic programs, especially those that focus on cost-
share, research, and the provision of technical assistance will help 
make healthy, locally grown and climate-smart food accessible to more 
Michigan families and around the country. These include the Organic 
Agriculture Research and Extension Initiative (OREI), the Organic 
Certification Cost-Share Program (OCCSP), Organic Transitions Program 
(ORG), and others like the Sustainable Agriculture Research and 
Education (SARE) program that serve the needs of both organic and 
regenerative producers.
Conclusion
    Our current food system leaves farms, rural America, farmers, and 
ranchers vulnerable to potentially massive losses related to climate 
change and ecosystem collapse. But it does not have to be this way.
    With targeted farm bill policy changes and investments, we can 
address the health of our air, water and food, the health of food 
workers and the public; access to healthy, affordable, and culturally 
appropriate food, and racial inequity. At the same time, the 2023 Farm 
Bill offers the opportunity to scale up public investment to help 
realize a clean energy economy in rural America, bringing more job 
opportunities to rural communities. These investments could also 
replace and/or upgrade critical rural infrastructure that is now 
failing, such as leaded water pipes, and which deprives people across 
Minnesota and the nation, especially those in lower-income rural areas, 
from having reliable access to sanitation and safe drinking water.
    While we have the opportunity, Congress should take the most 
aggressive steps possible to address these issues through the farm 
bill.


 
                     A 2022 REVIEW OF THE FARM BILL

                     (PERSPECTIVES FROM THE FIELD)

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                        MONDAY, AUGUST 22, 2022

                  House of Representatives,
                                  Committee on Agriculture,
                                                       Fremont, OH.
    The Committee met at 12:00 p.m., E.D.T., at Terra State 
Community College, 2830 Napoleon Road, Fremont, OH, Hon. Cheri 
Bustos presiding.
    Members present: Representatives Bustos and Kaptur.
    Staff present: Josh Tonsager, Ellis Collier, Detrick 
Manning, and Dana Sandman.

  OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. CHERI BUSTOS, A REPRESENTATIVE IN 
                     CONGRESS FROM ILLINOIS

    Mrs. Bustos. All right. Good afternoon, everyone. I'll say 
good afternoon since it just turned noon on the dot. I am 
Congresswoman Cheri Bustos from the State of Illinois, and I am 
Chair of the General Farm Commodities and Risk Management 
Subcommittee of the House Agriculture Committee.
    And so Congresswoman Marcy Kaptur was kind enough to make 
sure that one of our field hearings, slash, listening sessions 
was held right here in Ohio. She worked very hard to make sure 
that the House Agriculture staff was here and that you all will 
have a voice in what the 2023 Farm Bill will look like.
    So, any thanks that you can give to Congresswoman Kaptur 
would be welcomed. So I'm going to start at----
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. So officially this is called, A 2022 Review of 
the Farm Bill: Perspectives from the Field. And rather than ask 
our family farmers or those who represent different segments of 
agriculture, asking you to come out to Washington, D.C., where 
it's convenient for us, because that's where a lot of our work 
is done, we're going to you. And this is designed to be a full-
on listening session.
    I don't claim to have all the answers, Congresswoman Kaptur 
does not claim to have all the answers, but we do have a lot of 
questions and we want to make sure that we get the farm bill 
right, because it will be our policy for the next 5 years.
    Now, just a few of the ground rules, this will be live-
streamed, it is being live-streamed right now by our House 
Agriculture staff. They are also here as a scribe, so to speak. 
So what you share with us will be recorded and will be taken 
back to Washington, D.C. As the 2023 Farm Bill is written, your 
voices will be part of that.
    And so nothing is off the table. I kind of frame this as, 
what should we keep doing as far as like the last farm bill? 
What should we stop doing? What should we start doing? Now, 
where I come from, we have 9,600 family farms in the 
Congressional district I represent in central and western and 
northern Illinois.
    We are corn country, we're soybean country. And of course, 
we've got our fair share of dairy and hog farms and beef cattle 
as well, all of which I have represented in my family. I know 
Tony Logan is here, right here. He ran Rural Development for 
the State of Ohio at the same time my cousin did, who ran it 
for the State of Illinois.
    And so I was lucky enough to meet Tony several years ago 
when he came to visit in Illinois. But, Marcy is going to make 
some announcements on recognizing folks that are here. So what 
we're going to do, you all had to sign up and that is so that 
we know who's speaking.
    We've asked you if you represent any certain organization, 
that is represented in what you signed up. We're going to call 
five people up at a time. And the reason that we're doing that, 
the very first hearing that we did, we had everybody just come 
up and they were standing for a very long time, so we want to 
do that out of respect for you so you're not standing for so 
long.
    So we'll call five up at a time and then we'll call the 
next five, et cetera. We would ask if you could keep your 
comments to 3 minutes. That is because we want to make sure 
that everybody who is signed up has a chance to speak.
    We will be here for a total of 2 hours, so until 2.00 p.m. 
sharp. Since we're Midwesterners, we like to start on time, and 
we like to end on time. And so if we have to make any 
adjustments on the length of time that people will speak, we 
will do so as it gets a little bit closer. But please be 
respectful of that time.
    We will have Emmitt--Ellis up here will hold up the sign 
that says, ``Time is up,'' when you're at your 3 minute mark, 
so if you could just kind of keep track of that as much as 
possible. So those are really the ground rules.
    Just a little bit further background. This is the fifth in 
a series that we've done of these field hearings, slash, 
listening sessions all over the country. And again, it is very 
selective in where we go. So Congresswoman Kaptur did a great 
job of making sure that she was convincing and that we had to 
make sure that we were in Ohio.
    But we've been in Arizona. There has been a session in 
northern California. There has been a session in--or I'm sorry, 
Washington, in Minnesota. We just did kind of an informal one 
at the Illinois State Fair in my hometown of Springfield, 
Illinois. So that gives you a little bit of a feel for where 
we've been.
    And we will kind of summarize this at the end as far as 
what we're hearing that may or may not be different from what 
we've heard before. So I think those are pretty much the ground 
rules. Three minutes if you could. Try to follow that time 
limit there.
    We'll call five up at a time. This is being recorded. And 
oh, one last thing, if you, maybe you are shy or do not feel 
comfortable coming up and speaking to us, that's okay, too.
    You can go to our website, which is--where's Josh? I know 
Josh knows it.
    Mr. Loebert. agriculture.house.gov.
    Mrs. Bustos. Okay, agriculture.house.gov, and you can let 
us know anything out of that. Again, I'll repeat it, 
agriculture.house.gov. All right, so please feel free to share 
anything there.
    Or if you feel like you didn't get enough time to share 
your views with us, that is another way to make sure that you 
do share your thoughts, okay.
    So with that, again, thank you very much. And I would like 
to give a warm welcome for everybody here for your 
Congresswoman, Marcy Kaptur.
    [Applause].

  OPENING STATEMENT OF HON. MARCY KAPTUR, A REPRESENTATIVE IN 
                       CONGRESS FROM OHIO

    Ms. Kaptur. Thank you, everyone, for coming such a 
distance, and especially Congresswoman Bustos, who's been 
traveling coast to coast. Thank you very much for coming to 
Ohio. And I can guarantee you that Chair Bustos has a love for 
our part of America. She never forgets it.
    Thank you very, very much. And we're excited to be here 
today. We thank you for coming. I will not make long remarks, 
but as the Chair said, this is an opportunity for us to impact 
the shape of the 2023 Farm Bill. And we're all ears today. I 
want to thank Terra State Community College for having us.
    And I wanted to mention, for those of you who are following 
what Congress does, Chair Bustos chairs the General Farm 
Commodities and Risk Management Subcommittee. Some people have 
already spoken to me about crop insurance coming in the door, 
so I think you will get some statements and some questions 
before we finish today.
    We have some special guests that I should mention here from 
the Farm Credit Administration. If I could ask Mike Stokke and 
Willy Meaux to stand up. Back here if anyone has any specific 
questions. Thank you, very, very much.
    [Applause].
    Ms. Kaptur. And then I wanted to say to officers who are 
probably standing outside, but Sergeant Scully and Captain 
Conger from the Fremont Police Department are here with us. And 
Tony Logan has already been introduced, former U.S. Department 
of Agriculture Rural Development Director.
    Boy is that an asset to Ohio, continuing asset. So we thank 
you all very much for being here. And I want to thank the Chair 
for joining us at the Sandusky County Fair today.
    We saw lots of generations. I did not know, I hope this 
doesn't hurt her in any way, she's an Angus beef producer 
family----
    Mrs. Bustos. Yes.
    Ms. Kaptur. I didn't know that. That might trouble other 
specialties but I just----
    Mrs. Bustos. Tony Logan knew that.
    Ms. Kaptur. I just mention that. My particular interest, I 
didn't grow up on a farm, but our dad and mom owned a small 
family market in a place called Rockford, Ohio.
    And in that facility, dad made all of his own homemade 
sausages and veal loaf and all these things that you can't buy 
much anymore, and he had a real close relationship with 
farmers. And that's where I really began to understand how the 
rural economy works and doesn't work for the people who 
actually do the hard work.
    I will never forget how difficult it was for dad to buy 
prime beef when the very big houses from out of town came in 
and bought out all of the meat houses in downtown Toledo, which 
was the center of sales at that point.
    And then when he went to buy certain field crops and he was 
told, ``Oh, well, you can't get those anymore because they've 
been bought on consignment by a big buyer.'' And I remember how 
hard it was for a small family grocer to provide the kind of 
quality product that he wanted to customers.
    And you know what, we're in the same fight today. So I 
just, it's a little different. It's changed a bit. But I have 
an affinity for agriculture, and of course, for what our family 
and what I learned as a child. And so I've seen firsthand the 
determination and the hard work of farmers across our region.
    And as we move toward hearing what's on your mind, let me 
just say this, I think considering in this new farm bill, a 
special title for the Great Lakes. And I want you to think with 
me about that, because Lake Erie is our closest lake, the 
warmest of the Great Lakes, with significant challenges 
environmentally.
    Millions of people draw their life from the water that 
comes from our Great Lakes. And we simply have to have more 
attention to what is happening to the Great Lakes region as the 
West dries up, with added rainfall here, as you all well know. 
We have much higher wash out and we live in the most drainage 
ditch tiled part of the United States of America.
    I actually believe we have to re-engineer the Western 
Basin, and Lake Erie is the largest basin in the entire Great 
Lakes. It drains into our lakes, and it takes lots with it. And 
nature is changing in the region. I don't know the whole 
answer. I don't know. We've got a research project going on in 
Defiance.
    We're working with hog producers here in Ohio to put 
special research stations on their fields to try to figure out 
what's going on. But this is something that we haven't seen 
before. It's been with us for a couple of decades now, but with 
added rainfall, I really don't have an answer, but I do think 
that the Western Basin of Lake Erie does need its own section 
in the farm bill just for that as a pilot for the rest of the 
Great Lakes region, because it is--some of you might live near 
the lake, some of you might go up there, you see the big algal 
blooms.
    You can see the changing plankton in the lakes. And we 
wonder about successive fish populations coming down the road. 
There are a lot of issues here that are quite complicated, and 
I really do believe that the largest body of freshwater on 
Earth deserves more attention than it's ever been given in the 
farm bill.
    So that's a perspective I hold. I wanted to mention also in 
looking at ways of holding back water. Some of our farmers are 
using sub-irrigation. Some of our folks out in the western part 
of the state have been talking about additional reservoirs.
    We are very open to your ideas in terms of what to do about 
this added rainfall. In terms of research, I used to work for 
the Andersons many years ago and in the cob division and we 
found many uses for what was then field waste and it has become 
a big industry now.
    And one of the--I was along with Senator Harkin and Senator 
Lugar then from Iowa, from Indiana, we wrote the first title of 
a farm bill to add fuel in addition to food, fertilizer, and 
forestry. We said, we're going to give you a fourth F, we're 
going to call fuel.
    The Department of Agriculture said, no, we don't want it. 
That was the answer in Washington. That taught me a great deal 
that you never just listen to the experts in agriculture in 
Washington. That in fact the American people know better, and 
now we have a giant industry.
    But I heard something the other day in a meeting on 
hydrogen, because we're trying to create a hydrogen hub in this 
region, help move to the hydrogen economy for the country, and 
I learned that corncobs are a source of hydrogen.
    I thought, oh, I got to know more about that. And so I 
share that with you to say that research means a lot. Your 
ideas about research mean a lot to me, and I will try to move 
those along.
    Finally, one of the other big areas that I'm personally 
interested in as we move toward a new farm bill is how to move 
the money that flows through the Department of Agriculture back 
to local farmers. Here's an example.
    Many years ago, I was a part of creating the senior farmers 
market coupon program, some of you may have heard of that. We 
had to fight the Department tooth and nail, and we still do, to 
try to get attention to that. That has helped our farmers' 
markets grow. I just talked to Mr. Bergmann this morning and I 
said, do seniors ever come to your market? He goes, oh, do they 
come.
    And I said, yes, it's successful, but we can't get it to be 
big enough in the national agriculture legislation. What's the 
problem with Washington that it can't see our local farmers and 
it's so hard to expand this program? So your ideas for how to 
use the tools of the Federal Government to move income back to 
local farmers interests me a great deal. And here's one 
example.
    I don't know if anyone here represents food banks, but if 
you look at the large amount of commodities that come to our 
food banks, local farmers are the biggest contributors to our 
food banks. Why shouldn't food banks be able to offer contracts 
to farmers to grow certain things locally, whether it's animals 
for beef, whether it's pork, whether it's vegetables.
    Why shouldn't we move them into a position where they can 
also help strengthen local agriculture? What can we do in the 
farm bill itself to help move those dollars back to those who 
are the most generous and who are the most hardworking? And 
they may not be the biggest farms in America, but they're 
productive farms and they're productive for the size of farm 
they are.
    And so I'm very interested in those kinds of efforts for 
local agriculture. So let me just end and say that I look 
forward to everyone coming together here today. I brought 
something from--as a gift to Congresswoman Bustos to thank you 
so very much for coming, okay. And we are thrilled to have you 
here.
    [Applause].
    Ms. Kaptur. Thank you. Thank you for using your hours here 
in our beautiful state in this wonderful county and region, and 
also the best tomato soup in America made by--yup, Dei Fratelli 
brand made by a little bit north of here by the Hertzel family 
and all their employees.
    And this is a product that should be everywhere in America, 
but it isn't because of the way the supermarkets work and the 
way that product is procured and moved around this country. So 
I just give you a can of this because that is the best and it 
deserves even more market share.
    The supermarkets make you pay all this money even to get on 
the shelf. And it really hurts our local, smaller producers and 
regional producers. So that's something else I'm interested in, 
in terms of helping our folks move their product to bigger 
markets and not be held down and not be able to expand. So 
thank you very much for that----
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Congresswoman.
    Ms. Kaptur.--and we look forward--I'm going to turn the 
microphone back to Chair Bustos. Thank you so much for coming.
    Mrs. Bustos. All right. Thank you, Congresswoman. And I 
will eat this with joy. I'm very excited about that. I love 
tomato soup. All right, so here's our first five, Kirk Vashaw, 
and then I will have you, the people who get up there, you can 
talk about your affiliations. So, Kirk, you're going to go 
first.
    Joe Logan, second. Julie Chase-Morefield, Nate Andre, Bill 
Myers. So those are our first five, if you want to line up in 
that order, and then I will announce the next five when we 
start getting down to the last few.
    And again, Congresswoman Kaptur and I are in full-on 
listening mode, and we very much look forward to hearing your 
thoughts. All right, Kirk.

  STATEMENT OF KIRK VASHAW, CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER, SPANGLER 
                    CANDY COMPANY, BRYAN, OH

    Mr. Vashaw. First, thank you so much for coming and 
listening. My name is Kirk Vashaw. I'm the President and CEO of 
Spangler Candy Company.
    So maybe a little odd that you're in an agricultural forum, 
we're talking to a manufacturer, but we are part of the supply 
chain and I wanted to kind of represent that view. But we are 
on fourth generation Spangler. We've been in Bryan, Ohio since 
1906. Bryan, Ohio's population 8,000, and in Williams County.
    We make Dum-Dums lollipops. We are the only manufacturer of 
candy canes left in the United States. We make Bit-O-Honey as a 
recent acquisition for us, and just we buy quite a bit of 
agricultural commodities.
    And so one of my requests or our request is as we think 
about the farm bill and think about supporting agricultural 
needs, we also need to support the manufacturing base because 
we're buying--we're a little company, but we buy over $3 
million worth of corn every year.
    And of course, sugar is our largest ingredient, but we also 
buy soy and dairy and almonds, which are from California. No 
almonds around here. But we made a recent acquisition of Bit-O-
Honey, and not to get into the pension legislation (H.R. 2617, 
Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2023, Division T--SECURE 2.0 
Act of 2022), but that pension legislation that I believe you 
all both voted for allowed us to bring those jobs to Bryan, 
Ohio.
    There are only 40 jobs, but 40 jobs is a lot for our 
community who are very, very excited. And another thing just to 
understand about manufacturing is it's very, very labor 
intensive, and the fact that it supports a lot of other jobs up 
and down the supply chain, including some of our agricultural 
friends.
    So for every one job we have in Bryan, Ohio, we create ten 
other jobs up and down the supply chain. Some of that's 
agriculture. Some of that's truck drivers. Some of that is IT 
people.
    Some of that is people doing our insurance, and 401(k), and 
doctors, and things like that. So, that benefits all of us in 
this room. So we want to make sure that we're supporting our 
agriculture customers, which is food manufacturing.
    In the ask that we have, particularly in a story, we ran 
out of sugar this year in April because of supply chain issue. 
And as you know, the sugar program is run by the government. It 
is a very old program. It has not been reformed. And when there 
was supply chain issues, the government couldn't react.
    And when we had to stop our production, it means that we 
weren't buying corn, means we weren't buying soybeans, and it 
really affected us and affected everybody in the room. So I 
think it's time to really look at that program, see what we can 
do to make sure that we're supporting U.S. jobs, because 
Chicago used to be the candy capital of the country.
    It's not anymore. Most big companies have moved offshore, 
and you have some folks like us that are just committed to Ohio 
and growing our community, but we need some help. So that's my 
ask.
    Mrs. Bustos. Who did you buy Bit-O-Honey from?
    Mr. Vashaw. Pearson's Candy company up in Saint Paul, 
Minnesota.
    Mrs. Bustos. Okay.
    Mr. Vashaw. And just to understand, Bit-O-Honey uses that--
sugar is not the main ingredient in that one. Corn syrup and 
honey and almonds, those are the most expensive ingredients, so 
we could afford to bring that to Bryan, Ohio.
    But some of the other products that we make, like candy 
canes, we do have a manufacturing facility in Mexico.
    My goal is to get it, the 200 jobs that we have in Mexico 
can be in Bryan, Ohio, but we just need to buy sugar on the 
free market and be competitive with Canada and Mexico. I think 
we can--in fact, I know we can do it because we already make 
some candy--excuse me, candy canes in Bryan.
    Ms. Kaptur. Madam Chair, may I say something here?
    Mrs. Bustos. Yes, of course.
    Ms. Kaptur. This morning at the County Fair here, when I 
first ran for office, there was a wonderful man named Chad 
Mawk. I just found out he's still living. I didn't know that: 
95 and he's still getting around. I want to find him.
    But anyway, he was a sugarbeet farmer and he drove his 
truck, we went everywhere, to stop something called NAFTA that 
they said would be a bonanza for America's farmers, right. And 
what's happened with that, it wiped out all of our sugarbeet 
production here. Michigan still has some. We try to help them 
out there in Michigan. We should talk about sugar and the sugar 
crop itself.
    And ultimately, he had to get out of that business. And you 
mentioned the jobs that have gone to Mexico. He knew those jobs 
would go down there. He was a very wise farmer. And now if you 
go to Mexico, we lament about the terrible drug problem we have 
in this country.
    But if you go to all the places where the white corn used 
to be grown--Mexicans like white corn, red and yellow corn, 
right. And you go to towns in Jalisco, in Tamaulipas, in 
Oaxaca, and I've been everywhere, and their white corn market 
was wiped out because of NAFTA and guess what replaced it? 
Heroin. Heroin.
    And the drugs that are being moved north now directly 
resulted from the loss of income for those farmers. This is a 
continental problem nobody is addressing. I'm not sure we can 
address it in the farm bill.
    But until those people down there get replacement crops and 
we get back what we lost, I'm not sure sugarbeet--maybe farmers 
don't want to do sugarbeets anymore. It's a lot of work. But I 
still remember when we had sugar processing right here in our 
region and we lost it.
    Mr. Vashaw. Yes, there's--yes, there's nothing in Ohio now. 
No sugar growers or processors. But I think there's a way to 
support agriculture while also supporting our U.S. 
manufacturing, and I think that's the challenge of the farm 
bill, to balance both of those things.
    Mrs. Bustos. Yes. Kirk, thank you very much. And I'm sure 
that Ohio would welcome those 200 jobs to come home.
    Mr. Vashaw. Bryan, Ohio definitely would. We're ready for 
them.
    Mrs. Bustos. Yes, that's great. Kirk, thank you very much. 
Really appreciate it. Joe Logan. And as Joe walks up, Joe was 
kind enough to walk us around the Sandusky County Fair. And we 
really appreciate that. Joe, introduce yourself and who you're 
associated with.

   STATEMENT OF JOSEPH LOGAN, PRESIDENT, OHIO FARMERS UNION, 
                          KINSMAN, OH

    Mr. Joseph Logan. Good morning, and thank you. Yes, I'm Joe 
Logan. I'm a farmer from northeastern Ohio and President of the 
Ohio Farmers Union. And thanks to both of the Congresswomen for 
joining us today to talk about an enormous issue and that's the 
U.S. farm bill.
    As we've kind of touched on today, it does not only a 
little bit of everything, but a lot of everything that we've 
got to do. But a couple of issues I'd like to just touch on 
today. Congresswoman Bustos talked about corn and soybean 
country out in Illinois. We have the same thing here in Ohio.
    You drive across Ohio, you see thousands and thousands of 
acres of corn and soybeans, and 90 percent of the result of 
those crops goes into livestock, either cattle or poultry or 
hogs. And the markets for those, as Congresswoman Kaptur 
alluded to, has been eroded through decades and decades of 
large producers buying up small producers, or small processors, 
shutting those down and consolidating control over those 
marketplaces.
    So I know that USDA has made an initiative to try to 
address that issue. And I know that we've had some ongoing 
discussions with a number of Members of Congress about Cattle 
Price Discovery and Transparency Act of 2021 (H.R. 5992). And I 
think Cindy Axne from Iowa is sort of championing that in the 
House and in the Senate as a bipartisan sponsor.
    So that is one of the issues that we think will begin to 
open the door to a more competitive and more transparent 
marketplace for livestock, which is one of the keys to bringing 
sort of a fairness back to the marketplace so that of cattle 
producers, hog producers, and poultry producers of all sizes 
can compete in the marketplace fair rather than having to have 
a contract with one of the big three or one of the big four 
livestock processors.
    As you know, livestock processing has consolidated into 
where now the beef market is 85 percent controlled by the top 
four, hogs over 60 percent, and poultry over 50 percent. 
Economists have said for generations now that when that CR, 
concentration ratio gets over 40 percent, we're in a market 
that is really no longer competitive.
    So we really need to address that. I think this Cattle 
Price Discovery and Transparency Act will be one useful tool to 
try to move us toward a more equitable marketplace where 
farmers of all sizes can compete.
    To touch on another issue that I'd like to bring to your 
attention. We live in an era of climate change now, and I think 
that crop insurance has been very important in that. I think we 
probably need to reconfigure crop insurance in a way that 
rewards farmers for building soil health, and that is a way 
that we can both improve the overall resilience of agriculture 
and also save money on the crop insurance payments. Thank you 
very much.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Joe. I appreciate that.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. Julie Chase-Morefield, who's President of 
Second Harvest Food Bank. So the food banks are represented 
here.

    STATEMENT OF JULIE CHASE-MOREFIELD, PRESIDENT AND CHIEF 
 EXECUTIVE OFFICER, SECOND HARVEST FOOD BANK OF NORTH CENTRAL 
                        OHIO, LORAIN, OH

    Ms. Chase-Morefield. Thank you. Yes. I'm President and CEO 
of Second Harvest Food Bank of North Central Ohio. And we serve 
Lorain, Erie, Huron, and Crawford Counties. But I'm also Board 
Chair of the Ohio Association of Food Banks as well. We're 
proud in Ohio to have an incredible relationship through the 
Ohio Agriculture Clearance Program with our farmers, growers, 
and producers across the state.
    And if you would come to my food bank right now, you would 
see beautiful produce from Huron County sitting in our 
warehouse ready to go out for distribution. It's been an 
incredible relationship, and so we're grateful, especially 
during this time of year, to have so much amazing food in our 
warehouse. Unfortunately, the need for food assistance has 
continued to increase.
    It declined somewhat during the pandemic, but we are now 
still 35 percent higher than we were pre-pandemic, but there's 
less food in our warehouses. So unfortunately, The Emergency 
Food Assistance Program has declined pretty dramatically over 
the last year. We had additional food through the CARES Act 
(Pub. L. 116-136), through trade mitigation, and through the 
Farmers to Families food boxes.
    But all of that's gone. And unfortunately, we've seen this 
massive decline which has forced us into purchasing food at 
three times the rate that we were pre-pandemic. So, \1/3\ of 
our operating budget right now is dedicated to purchasing food, 
and right now a third of our warehouse is purchased food, which 
is really unsustainable as a food bank.
    So we are looking for an increase in TEFAP on behalf of the 
food banks across the country. I know Feeding America has asked 
for this as well, which represents the 200 food banks across 
the country. Additionally, we serve seniors through the 
Commodity Supplemental Food Program, which has been a lifeline 
for so many seniors.
    Right now we see about 25 percent across the state of who 
is served at food pantries as seniors over the age of 60. It is 
an incredible program that allows them to receive a box of food 
every single month. We're able to, through the generosity of a 
donor, actually provide produce and some protein items that go 
along with that box, but we know that that funding is critical.
    But one of the challenges with CSFP is being able to 
deliver it to seniors because seniors don't have 
transportation. So we've actually have an innovative program 
with Project Dash through DoorDash to deliver boxes directly to 
seniors, and we hope to be able to continue to increase that.
    We need increased funding for CSFP to be able to do that. 
But we're also grateful for additional programs like the WIC 
coupons, like the Senior Coupons program, because we see 
seniors, and especially work participants, who need that 
nutritious food. So we want to see those increased as well.
    And I know that Congresswoman Kaptur has also mentioned the 
idea of contract growing for food banks, which we think could 
be an amazing pilot. We know we have incredible relationships 
within the State of Ohio with farmers and growers, and we 
believe that this could be really beneficial to both the food 
banks ability to be able to provide food, but also to be able 
to help our local farmers and growers.
    We know that unfortunately, sometimes with the USDA 
contracts, a lot of our small farmers and growers are left 
behind, farmers and growers that we work closely with, and we 
see the impact that they have on their communities. And so we'd 
love to see that increased. Thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. All right. Thank you very much, Julie. All 
right, Nate Andre, then we'll have Bill Myers and then Paul 
Herringshaw after that. Nate.

  STATEMENT OF NATE ANDRE, OWNER, ANDRE FARMS LLC, WAUSEON, OH

    Mr. Andre. Nate Andre from Fulton County. [Technical 
problem]--we're glad that you're here today. Today, I'd like to 
talk about the land-grant system. For many years, what made the 
United States great is we educated everybody. And today, we're 
having a work shortage problem.
    We have not enough ag workers. We only have two percent 
farmers, right. You should go to college for ag. And now we're 
starting to see where do we find more students for that? So 
what we'd like to do is not forget the land-grant system. We 
have Ohio State here today and we have Cental State here.
    Also a new land-grant in Ohio. And we want you not to 
forget some of the funds for the Smith-Lever and the other 
funds, that we need to keep the land-grants doing that, 
educating the general public and creating new workforce through 
the 4-H, through STEM, and through other activities. Thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. All right. Thank you very much, Nate. Bill 
Myers, Paul Herringshaw, and then Adam Ward. Bill.

    STATEMENT OF BILL MYERS, OWNER, MYERS FARMS, OREGON, OH

    Mr. Myers. Well, thank you. I appreciate you bringing this 
to northwest Ohio at a time you probably wouldn't have to. So 
thank both of you for taking the time to show up here and 
listen to our concerns.
    Three minutes isn't much time, but I'll do the best I can. 
I applaud you for looking at the Maumee Basin and wanting to 
create some hybrid design. I think you're spot on. That's an 
area that needs to be looked at from a pilot program. As a 
farmer, I'm a fourth generation farmer.
    My daughter's the fifth generation farmer. And we're right 
across the street in the Maumee Bay State Park. So Lake Erie is 
very, very important to me, and the fact that we interact with 
a lot of people that bird, tourism, use the lake. I get to hear 
it all. I get the target on my back. I get to hear it all.
    And I empathize with that. We're in a time in agriculture 
that makes me nervous. I was young back in the 1980s and my 
father had the reins, so I was less concerned. But we're in a 
time now where I hear there's discussion on lowering the 
subsidy that we pay for crop insurance, and if anybody in the 
room that's old enough that's farmed remembers the old days 
that if you had a disaster, you got the money 2 years later 
when you didn't need it, somebody else needed it.
    So the reform of crop insurance that it is today has been, 
in my operation, fantastic because there isn't very often that 
the whole country gets hurt by production, that is always 
certain areas, and that money gets shifted around. Our premium 
might go to Illinois or Texas today, next year or last year a 
lot of it was used in northwest Ohio because of the weather 
impact.
    So I would suggest you look really strongly at not lowering 
the amount of the subsidy because it's going to be tough in ag 
at this time with rising inputs, fuel, everything else that's 
happened to us. I get that 1980s thing banging on me again with 
interest rates, you know. Most of our real estate loans are 
locked in at an equitable interest rate. All our operating 
loans are variable rate.
    We're very much on the hook as interest rates go nuts. If 
they do what they did in the 1970s, they were moving packed 
with firearms. So there's lots of things that we have to look 
at from the producer standpoint of agriculture to make sure 
that the grocery shelves aren't empty.
    Because if you want to freak out the population, 3 months 
ago when people went to Kroger's and areas of shelves had 
nothing, that gets their attention. So I would just like to 
make sure that, and generally it is, cool heads prevail and 
when you look at the history of things and don't forget, 
history always repeats itself in some form or fashion, let's be 
proactive to make sure that we don't create a problem or pull 
the rug out from the producer at the time we can't afford it. 
Thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. All right. Thank you, Bill. Paul Herringshaw, 
then Adam Ward and then Hilary Poulson. I might have that last 
name wrong but, it was hard for me to read this writing. All 
right, Paul.

  STATEMENT OF PAUL HERRINGSHAW, OWNER/OPERATOR, HERRINGSHAW 
                    FARMS, BOWLING GREEN, OH

    Mr. Herringshaw. Yes. Thank you. First, I would like to say 
thank you to Congresswoman Kaptur and Congresswoman Bustos for 
the opportunity to discuss a couple of farm bill items and to 
participate in today's listening session. Also, I'd like to 
welcome Congresswoman Bustos to the great State of Ohio.
    Mrs. Bustos. It's good to be here, thank you.
    Mr. Herringshaw. I farm with my son near Bowling Green, 
where we grow corn, wheat, and soybeans. We have adopted 
several best practices on our farm to try and reduce nutrient 
runoff and aid in soil fertility and improve soil health.
    I've been a member of, for many years, with the Ohio Corn 
and Wheat Growers Association, which is an active member of the 
National Association of Wheat Growers and the National Congress 
Association. Most of my comments today are directed towards the 
wheat crop.
    Ohio Corn and Wheat Growers Association did a survey of its 
members concerning the farm bill, and the top priority from 
that survey was protecting crop insurance. Federal crop 
insurance is a major tool for risk management for a vast 
majority of wheat and corn growers. We've seen attacks on crop 
insurance from both the left and the right.
    But crop insurance is an incredibly important tool to help 
farmers mitigate the risk. Considering its effectiveness in 
helping farmers mitigating risk, I find it concerning when I 
hear attacks against this critical management tool.
    I would encourage Congress to look at ways to enhance crop 
insurance, both in terms of effectiveness and cost for farmers. 
The cost to purchase crop insurance has increased in recent 
years, and it would be helpful to allow higher coverage levels 
at more affordable premiums. Congress should also look at 
tweaking existing programs so they can be more effective.
    Crop insurance has demonstrated itself to be an invaluable 
tool for wheat farmers in Ohio, and across the country where we 
see more frequent weather disruptions and unprecedented 
increase in prices for inputs. I encourage Congress to continue 
looking for ways to improve the farming safety net.
    The reference price per wheat should be investigated and I 
strongly recommend that it be increased. The current price is 
not aligned with the current cost of production unless farmers 
fail too often.
    Finally, exports are vital to all of American agriculture, 
and Congress should help enhance exports by increasing the 
funding for the Market Access Program and Foreign Market 
Development Program.
    About \1/2\ of the wheat grown in the United States each 
year is destined for foreign markets, and these programs are 
critical to successfully exporting a crop and have demonstrated 
a strong return on investment for all of American agriculture.
    Again, I thank you for this opportunity to present to you 
in today's listening session.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Paul. Adam Ward. Hilary, I think 
it's Poulson. And then Eli Dean. Adam.

         STATEMENT OF ADAM WARD, DIRECTOR, GOVERNMENT 
          AFFAIRS, COLLEGE OF FOOD, AGRICULTURAL AND 
        ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCES, OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY, 
                          COLUMBUS, OH

    Mr. Ward. Thank you, Madam Chair and Representative Kaptur. 
It's a pleasure to be here today. My name is Adam Ward. I'm 
here on behalf of the Ohio State University's College of Food, 
Agricultural and Environmental Sciences, and just wanted to 
share a few things.
    We have three campuses around the state, our statewide 
campus, of course, we have a campus in Wooster and also in 
Columbus. We also have 11 research stations, including one 3 
miles down the road that exhibits all the great work of our 
faculty and staff. It's really focused on some of the issues 
you've already heard about with research around disease, pests, 
and just general crop management.
    As you well know, the land-grant institution, as we heard 
from Nate, is really integrated in every community across the 
state. And it is a pleasure to hear that you are already over 
at Sandusky County Fair and meeting with those young 4-H'ers.
    The future of American agriculture as they're out there 
exhibiting their projects and learning the life lessons that 
come with 4-H, and I'm certainly grateful, as many of us in the 
room are to be part of that.
    Just a few quick things. As we're thinking about the farm 
bill and thinking about the research title, we encourage you to 
take a good long look at Smith-Lever and Hatch Act and think 
about ways that we can continue to increase the funding around 
Smith-Lever and Hatch long-term.
    We're seeing a remarkable investment by other countries 
across the world in agriculture as they're completely outpacing 
Americans' public investment in agriculture research. So in 
order to keep us competitive, in order to keep us in front of 
the rest of the world, we're going to need to continue to see 
that investment long-term to address some of the crop issues 
that we're seeing, including the inability to grow sugarbeets 
just down the road, and Celeryville, we can no longer grow 
celery because of pathogens.
    So we continue to address those challenges. But in order to 
do so, we really think a strong look at the Research Facilities 
Act (Pub. L. 88-74) through the farm bill process is something 
that we should consider. Land-grant institutions like Ohio 
State are facing challenges around infrastructure. Ohio State 
University, for example, just in our college, has $336 million 
in deferred maintenance that we're trying to address.
    We're making major investments, including a wonderful new 
facility that's almost complete, for controlled environment 
agriculture. We also have in the pipeline a multi-species 
animal learning center that we hope would be the envy of the 
Midwest for our young people to come and learn about modern 
agricultural production and practices.
    But those investments are sorely needed. We have over $120 
million in needs just in our classrooms. So as we look at this, 
we're willing to make that investment and go raise the money, 
but it'd be great to have a Federal partner right there with 
us.
    So we thank you for coming to Ohio. We thank you for coming 
to hear some of these remarkable challenges that we have and 
look forward to working with you as we move forward.
    Mrs. Bustos. I'm going to inject, if I might have the 
permission of the Chair. I'm controlled environmental 
agriculture. The Committee that I chair in Washington is called 
Energy and Water. It took us a decade or more to get the 
Department of Agriculture in the Department of Energy to sign 
an agreement to create the new structures that we can grow in 
four seasons.
    Because the current houses we have leach CO2. 
Okay, they're great producers of CO2. Now, how are 
we going to capture that and not have a go up there? And so 
we've got the agreement signed, but they're not--in Washington, 
if you try to get any two departments to work together, good 
luck.
    You'll need 100 years just to get them starting to talk. 
But for this, we really need your help. We should drive your 
little issue truck right in there and figure out a way, because 
the answer lies in materials science, along with reuse of the 
waste in the house in a way we haven't thought about before. 
Obviously, a lot of houses are using very careful management of 
water, of nutrients, and et cetera, and we've moved into 
robotic picking in a lot of our homes, a lot of our houses.
    So those are all good things about. But the basic structure 
is really 20th century. We don't have a 21st century structure. 
Maybe you have it in Columbus, but you should take a big lead 
here in Ohio. Right now, as I understand it, Lorain County and 
Lucas County are the two largest greenhouse growing counties in 
Ohio.
    And Michigan State obviously has a big interest in Michigan 
that I think we're going to see that increase a lot because of 
the climate. And we have to invent the mechanics of this in a 
way that is world class.
    So I'm glad you talked about that. That is a deep interest 
of mine and there's money in the bills that we've just passed, 
in the regular approps bills of the Department of Energy and 
Agriculture to do what we're talking about. So Ohio State, take 
the bull by both horns and help the country.
    So just as a side note, in the bill that President Biden 
just signed into law that Marcy and I both supported, the 
Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 (Pub. L. 117-169), there is $40 
billion in there for rural America and $20 billion specifically 
to agriculture.
    So, I don't know enough about like how Ohio State would 
apply for that or get some of that funding, but it is worth 
looking into it, maybe you can partner with Congresswoman 
Kaptur's office to see what's there.
    May I ask one follow up question? You said that other 
countries are investing more than we are in research. Can you 
give us some examples. Like, is this China? Well, who's doing 
this and what are they investing in and how does it look so 
much different than what we're doing?
    Mr. Ward. The Chinese investment in public funding for 
research and agriculture research is almost twice as ours. I 
can get you the actual numbers. I believe India is in that list 
as well, also investing. The trend lines--we, through APLU, I'm 
happy to share that information. We work very closely with 
them, and we'll get that to you, Madam Chair.
    Mrs. Bustos. It's like a knife to your heart that when we 
constantly hear that China is outdoing us, whether it's on 
infrastructure or ag research or whatever it is. But it really 
is a call to action to Members of the House and the Senate to 
make sure that we don't keep getting beaten in things like 
research that are our future. You talked about the 4-H'ers 
being our future. And so as ag research gets us to where we 
need to be for the future as well.
    Mr. Ward. Thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. Yes, thank you very much, Adam. Hilary, is it 
Poulson? Okay, I'm sorry butchered it at first. All right, 
Hilary.

 STATEMENT OF HILARY POULSON, GROWING FORWARD SPECIALIST, FARM 
                CREDIT MID-AMERICA, ARCHBOLD, OH

    Ms. Poulson. You did it. You did great. Congresswoman 
Kaptur and Congresswoman Bustos, on behalf of Farm Credit Mid-
America, thank you for holding this session. My name is Hilary 
Poulson. I am the Growing Forward Specialist for Farm Credit 
Mid-America, where I help manage our dedicated program to serve 
young, beginning, and small farmers here in Ohio.
    You may know us for our lending policies, but I would like 
to highlight the ways in which Farm Credit Mid-America invests 
in the next generation of agriculture through loan programs, 
community investments, and partnerships. Farm Credit 
institutions serve farmers of all sizes. At Farm Credit Mid-
America, 81 percent of our customers are considered small 
farmers.
    We've also been called upon by Congress to develop programs 
for young, beginning, and small farmers. Farm Credit Mid-
America does this through our growing forward program, which 
couples a loan at a reduced interest rate and waived fees, with 
personal and business financial education programs. Since this 
program started in 2014, we've loaned more than $650 million to 
1,400 customers.
    In addition to providing financial products to farmers and 
rural residents, we also invest in programs, organizations, and 
communities that support farmer veterans, women farmers, 
farmers of color, and farmers with disabilities. Since 2018, 
Farm Credit Mid-America has invested nearly $1 million in 23 
programs and projects to support emerging and underserved 
farming communities.
    One example of such an investment is our decade long 
relationship with the City of Cleveland, Ohio and its urban 
agriculture community. We, alongside other Farm Credit 
institutions, help fund the Primary Urban Agriculture Grant 
Program operated by the city called Gardening for Greenbacks.
    This program provides grants of up to $5,000 to for-profit 
urban farming businesses. Through this program, we met a group 
of outstanding young--or outstanding urban farmers at the 
Riddell Green Partnership in the Kinsman neighborhood of 
Cleveland.
    After learning about their urban farm, we began directly 
investing in a program they administered to train military 
veterans who want to learn how to become urban farmers. Farm 
Credit Mid-America is also committed to supporting the next 
generation of agriculture by investing in students' school 
programs, 4-H, and FFA around Ohio.
    One recent educational investment I would like to highlight 
is located in Congresswoman Kaptur's district. We have worked 
with the Center for Innovative Food Technology, or CIFT, and 
the Hopkins STEM Academy in Toledo, Ohio, on an initiative 
called Growing Roots.
    This program introduces students in a predominantly urban 
community to agricultural experiences and career paths. The 
program launched last fall and is expected to reach up to 200 
elementary school students who may not otherwise have exposure 
to agricultural practices or direct engagement in the industry.
    Again, thank you for holding this session, and Farm Credit 
Mid-America stands ready to be a resource to you and your staff 
as you tackle this critical policy issues before Congress. 
Thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you very much, Hilary. All right, quick 
check in. We've got 34 people left to speak, all right. So I 
hate to do this to you, but the last 34 are going to get 2 
minutes instead of 3 minutes, all right. Sorry, so if you can 
make your adjustments. All right, Eli Dean, Tony Logan, Roger 
Wise, Vickie Askins. All right, Eli.

STATEMENT OF ELI DEAN, OPERATOR, TIMBERLANE ORGANIC FARMS, LLC, 
                BELLEVUE, OH; ON BEHALF OF OHIO 
              ECOLOGICAL FOOD AND FARM ASSOCIATION

    Mr. Dean. All right. Hello, everyone. My name is Eli Dean, 
and I'm here today to talk to you about crop insurance. But 
first, a little bit about us. I'm here with my dad and my wife. 
We farm about 750 acres of certified organic crops in Sandusky 
County. And back when my grandfather was farming, 750 acres was 
a large farm.
    Now we're barely mid-sized. And I'm sure everyone in this 
room, everyone in Congress, everyone at USDA, they're very 
aware of the consolidation that's going on, has been going on, 
and continues to go on within agriculture. And years ago, 
policies were put in place for the existing subsidy programs 
through USDA to help address this.
    That's why there are means tests. That's why we all have to 
fill out that AGI form every year. And USDA has awareness. But 
that brings me back to crop insurance. Crop insurance does not 
have these systems.
    Now, crop insurance is my favorite program that I interact 
with. I love crop insurance. It works great for our farm. It 
works great for our communities. The fact that it's 
individualized, it's reactive, and like it was already said, 
the fact that if we have a disaster, we are compensated for it 
quickly and in a way that in the spring we can take to our 
banker and plan for the year. It's fantastic.
    But there are adjustments that I think should be made. I 
think the crop insurance needs to be brought in line in balance 
with the rest of the goals of the subsidy programs that we 
interact with and put some sort of limits, caps in place so 
that the largest farms in the country don't keep getting 
larger, while the smallest and the barely mid-sized ones like 
ours can't compete.
    And then from a taxpayer perspective, I think it makes a 
lot of sense with all the discussion going on that our tax 
dollars do not go to the richest farms, the richest one percent 
in the country, and instead go to supporting our small farms in 
all of our communities across the country and across the State. 
Thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. All right. Thank you very much, Eli. Tony, 
you're up.

   STATEMENT OF TONY LOGAN, J.D., PRINCIPAL CONSULTANT, THE 
           RENEWABLES SPACE, LLC; FORMER OHIO STATE 
         DIRECTOR, USDA RURAL DEVELOPMENT, COLUMBUS, OH

    Mr. Tony Logan. Good afternoon, Acting Chair Bustos and 
also Chairwoman Kaptur. I am glad, gratified to be here this 
afternoon. Thank you so much for coming to Ohio. This is the 
only meaningful chance most of us will have to testify before 
the farm bill process. And I'll be talking briefly today about 
agriculture's role on the effects of climate change through 
soil carbon sequestration.
    But my testimony on this project is going to start with two 
words to you, and that is thank you. The Inflation Reduction 
Act is absolutely momentous for agriculture, both here in Ohio 
and around the country with, as you indicated, over $40 billion 
for climate-smart agriculture in rural communities, extended 
tax credits for biofuels, new tax credits for sustainable 
aviation fuels, and billions in restoration, habitat 
protection, and conservation.
    Rural communities and farmers are now at center stage in 
the fight to control and reduce atmospheric CO2 
levels which currently threaten our planet. So thank you for 
that, first of all. And if farmers in rural communities are to 
play an enhanced role in mitigating climate change through soil 
carbon sequestration and other climate-smart ag practices, will 
require first and foremost a reliable, universal, and 
enforceable standard for measuring both baseline carbon in the 
soil and the amounts of carbon sequestered in soil over time.
    If we can't reliably measure carbon, we can't manage. There 
are still a lot of major debates in science and academia over 
these testing methods. So to settle these disputes and pave the 
way for a fair and equitable system of soil carbon 
sequestration credit trading, we would need an honest broker.
    And I would suggest that USDA, probably through the Natural 
Resources Conservation Service, could be that agency. NRCS is 
science based, has an existing regulatory process, and 
significant local presence throughout the country.
    The farm bill should help face those challenges now by 
providing appropriations for climate staffing and upgrading in 
that area. And then finally, we are lucky here in Ohio to have 
the work being done by Dr. Rattan Lal, 2020 recipient of the 
World Food Prize with the College of Food Ag Environmental 
Sciences.
    His work at the Carbon Management and Sequestration Center 
at OSU, deserves additional and continued funding, as do those 
similar research efforts in other states. So once again, I 
thank you for your time. Thank you so much for coming to Ohio, 
and we appreciate your efforts.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Tony. All right. Roger Wise, Vicky 
Askins, Tyler Drewes, Angela Huffman, Jerome Cunningham. Roger.

  STATEMENT OF ROGER WISE, TREASURER/SECRETARY, OHIO FARMERS 
                       UNION, FREMONT, OH

    Mr. Wise. Congresswoman, thank you for having us today and 
thank you for coming to Ohio. I think renewable energy, we are 
fortunate that we have a POET plant right down the road here 
from us and many of us in this room partake of that.
    And it's a wonderful opportunity for us to improve our corn 
price as well help our environment. I would encourage in the 
next farm bill to look at, in the Renewable Fuel Standard that 
we raise the ethanol limit.
    And there is evidence that at the 30 percent level, all of 
the arguments about less mileage and not as good for engines 
and all of that is negated. And I would suggest that a study be 
made of that. I know the oil companies don't like to hear that.
    They don't like to give up their share. But for the benefit 
of the American public and our environment, I think it would be 
very helpful for us to look at that very well. And at this 
time, I will yield because that's all I have to say.
    [Laughter].
    Ms. Kaptur. I'm going to take his minute to say that was 
POET down. I love POET at that company and what it has done for 
America, and with the production of ethanol. But I think we're 
going to reach the point where we can get to 15 percent.
    Recently in Washington, we had a visit with--through a 
company called ClearFlame with a mammoth semi-truck that drove 
all the way to Washington on 100 percent ethanol. And John 
Deere has been working with the Argonne National Labs, which is 
under the committee that I chair over in Illinois. And they are 
looking at a 100 percent ethanol driven tractor, if you can 
believe that.
    So the work on renewables--we're just at the beginning of 
this new energy age. We're just at the beginning. We haven't 
even scratched the surface yet. And so I just wanted to make 
you aware of that and to think about the possibilities down the 
road also with crops, what crops, which varieties, what crop 
gives us the least BTU input for the greatest BTU output.
    And we don't know the answer to that yet. And each part of 
the country will be different, but we want the best science. I 
agree with the gentleman who stood up from OSU. We need the 
fine science here so we're winners early on rather than later 
in the game. And we need all of your ideas.
    All of your ideas matter, in the plant sciences and the 
kind of fields that you plant and the kind of crops that you 
plant. Everyone is a scientific creation by God that man is 
still trying to understand, and we have to make the best use of 
it. So I'm really excited, Madam Chair, that you live in 
Illinois and that you have Argonne Lab.
    I'm jealous that I have to drive over there to go see 
what's going on, but it might be worth the trip someday. I'm 
not going to do the trip for you, but I'd make sure you got in, 
that Farm Bureau here and Farmers Union and all the groups, 
take some of our farmers to actually see what's going on in the 
transportation sector and energy. It's truly--it'll change the 
Earth for the better.
    Mrs. Bustos. Yes. Absolutely. Vickie, you're up. We have 
Vickie Askins.
    Ms. Askins. Good afternoon.
    Mrs. Bustos. Hello. Good afternoon.

STATEMENT OF VICKIE ASKINS, MEMBER, OHIO FARMERS UNION; MEMBER, 
                LAKE ERIE ADVOCATES, CYGNET, OH

    Ms. Askins. My name is Vickie Askins, and I'm a member of 
the Ohio Farmers Union and the Lake Erie Advocates. As you all 
know, Lake Erie has a huge algae problem which is fueled by 
excess nutrients.
    The Western Lake Erie Basin has had a huge influx of 
concentrated animal feeding operations or factory farms. The 
Ohio Farmers Union and the Lake Erie Advocates have both asked 
for a temporary moratorium since there's so much of their 
nutrients seem to be coming down the Maumee River.
    Our team, of course, has also asked for a moratorium on 
more factory farms. So I would humbly like to request that 
there is no funding in the new farm bill for methane manure 
digesters, which are a magnet for more factory farms to come in 
to come. And there are two digester programs. There was one in 
the former bill.
    The Obama Administration gave Federal support for new 
digesters. But the methane emissions actually rose by more than 
15 percent, mostly because the number of livestock numbers went 
up because they're a magnet for more factory farms to come in.
    Under the new bill, under President Biden, there is a 
common denominator and that would be Agriculture Secretary Tom 
Vilsack, who seems to be much more supportive of big ag than he 
is family farmers. Digesters are very expensive.
    They cost between $4 and $7 million each. Therefore, they 
need government subsidies. They usually require a dedicated 
staff to run them because of a high risk of explosion. Dairy 
would need almost 3,000 cows to make it viable. It does nothing 
to change the volume of the manure.
    The manure does not magically disappear. They would still 
have to apply the manure to the fields. And it also does 
nothing to remove the phosphorus which is fueling the algae 
blooms. So truly, if these digesters are such a winning 
proposition, why should public money be spent?
    Why not private investment? So once again, I appreciate you 
being here and for letting me make comments. Thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you. Go ahead, Congresswoman.
    Ms. Kaptur. Thank you, Madam Chair. We could have a whole 3 
hours just on this subject. The Western Basin of Lake Erie--and 
thank you for coming today. The Western Basin of Lake Erie, I 
said, is the biggest one in the entire Great Lakes, the biggest 
drainage basin. It goes up into Michigan, kind of a little 
north of Flint South.
    But anyway, it's up there in lower Michigan. It goes over 
into Indiana, basically around Fort Wayne, and then it goes all 
the way down to the Blanchard River. And we have problems down 
there with water not being properly directed and so forth.
    And it comes up the St. Mary's and then joins the St. 
Joseph's and it becomes the Maumee. So if you look at the way 
that the bowl operates, okay, within that Western Basin, oh, 
gosh, the last time I looked, there were between 12 and 20 
million animals of one sort or another.
    So it outnumbers people significantly. And we have to have 
a very good, and this is why I want a special title to the farm 
bill for this region, because we've got to identify where those 
places are. And frankly, I asked myself why we don't have 
systems in place already that proactively use that manure for 
power, number one, and fertilizer number two, in a way that is 
very healthy.
    I don't understand why their technology isn't just 
automatically happening. But just know that I'm interested. And 
I've seen applications in California where there are certain 
types of, they almost look like cover lights--and there's money 
in the Federal Government, by the way, to do this right now at 
the Department of Energy and the Department of Agriculture.
    But I'd start with the Department of Energy to turn that 
waste into power, on farm power, and to be able to--I know 
people were complaining about the old methane digesters. Oh, 
Marcy, they don't work, the motor busts all the time, you know, 
blah, blah, blah.
    Well, there are all different kinds of technologies out 
there now and we need to have a plan for the Western Basin 
because you are correct, we're certainly far from perfect in 
the way we're handling the environment that then dumps into the 
lake.
    And I'll just share this story with you because the Toledo 
water system was shut down about 4 years ago, 4 or 5 years ago, 
because toxic algal blooms got into the city water system.
    And I recently had a meeting because of the infrastructure 
bill, and I talked to people in the region and people who 
worked with the water, freshwater systems, and I said, give me 
your ideas for infrastructure.
    The money is in the bill. We can fix what's wrong. And this 
person says, it's a give me--all these people were over 50. 
They'd lived in the region long enough to really understand how 
it works. And I said, what's your major recommendation?
    They said, Marcy, you need a second water intake for the 
city of Toledo that's much deeper in the water. And in order 
that you, the future generations, don't have to worry. So now 
what I'm thinking about is Erie County's got a big draw for 
Plum Brook.
    And would it be possible to move water from Erie County 
over to Lucas County and Toledo as a second water draw. I don't 
know, but I'm looking for answers. And I'm sharing this with 
you because some of you like me have lived here for a long time 
and you have ideas. Now's the time.
    With the infrastructure bill, we can do so much. It just 
doesn't have to be from the agriculture bill. So Madam, thank 
you so very, very much, Vicki, for putting this on the record 
today. We've got a lot of work to do in the Western Basin in 
order to make it healthy and safe for the generations to come.
    Mrs. Bustos. Tyler, and forgive me if I mispronounce your 
last name.
    Mr. Drewes. It's Drewes.
    Mrs. Bustos. Drewes?
    Mr. Drewes. Drewes.
    Mrs. Bustos. Drewes. Thank you.

STATEMENT OF TYLER DREWES, OPERATOR, DREWES FARMS; DISTRICT 2, 
               BOARD MEMBER, OHIO CORN AND WHEAT 
                GROWERS ASSOCIATION, CUSTER, OH

    Mr. Drewes. I just want to say thank you for coming out 
today. I want to say also thank you for both cosponsoring the 
Next Generation Fuels Act of 2021 (H.R. 5089). We greatly 
appreciate that--excuse me. My name is Tyler Drewes.
    I am a producer from Custer, Ohio. I grow corn, soybeans, 
wheat, alfalfa. I'm also a current board member for the Ohio 
Corn and Wheat Growers Association. I came today to talk to you 
about a couple of title programs within the farm bill, such as 
the trade programs and Federal crop insurance.
    With trade programs, in 2018, the farm bill made permanent 
in mandatory funding for programs like the Market Access 
Program and also the Foreign Market Development Program.
    We use these programs to create overseas markets, 
international markets for our products such as our corn, our 
ethanol, and our DDGs. We've had tremendous success with these 
programs. We partnered with other groups such as the U.S. 
Grains Council and the Foreign Agricultural Service, and we've 
just had tremendous successes.
    With that being said, the funding for these programs has 
remained the same since 2006. And I believe that we could have 
an economic multiplying effect for Ohio and U.S. agricultural 
exports and our international markets, as well as bring out 
tremendous amount of value to rural businesses in America that 
are related to agriculture, by increasing the funding for 
these.
    If we could increase the funding for the Market Access 
Program to $400 million annually and the Foreign Market 
Development Program to $69 million annually, I think we'll have 
tremendous successes. Along with that, a few others have 
mentioned about the Federal Crop Insurance Program. There have 
been a few organizations that have proposed budget cuts and 
reforms.
    That would be very detrimental to producers across the U.S. 
We use this as a risk mitigation tool for the tremendous amount 
of risk we take on every year. Any cuts could make producers 
ineligible for the programs and also increase costs. A robust 
farm bill program is tremendously important.
    In 2019 alone, Ohio had 1\1/2\ million acres of crop lands 
that were not able to be planted. And my farm was one of those. 
We had 80 percent of our intended coordinators were never able 
to be planted.
    So just wanted to thank you for your time, and I appreciate 
all your efforts and our considerations for--everybody has to 
be said today.
    Mrs. Bustos. Tyler, how did you come up with those--how did 
you come up with those numbers?
    Mr. Drewes. They were provided to me through the group such 
as Ohio Corn and Wheat Growers Association.
    Mrs. Bustos. Okay. You don't know what it's based on 
though? Like is it based on inflation since 2006?
    Mr. Drewes. I do not know out the top of my head, but I can 
give you those answers.
    Mrs. Bustos. Okay. All right. I'd be curious.
    Ms. Kaptur. Could I ask the question also, Madam Chair. 
Could you provide for the record a suggestion to me what a 
prior witness said about helping those who don't own as much 
land be treated fairly in the crop insurance system?
    Is there a formula or is there something we could use? An 
inflator, deflator? How do we deal with the definition of what 
that is and how to make sure that they get their fair share?
    Mr. Drewes.  I didn't have those answers with me right now. 
Cannot tell you off the top of my head. But through the groups 
of Ohio Corn and Wheat Growers Association and the National 
Corn Association, we could definitely get you some answers on 
that.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you. Thank you, Tyler. Angela Huffman. 
Jerome Cunningham. Kristin Woodall. Sheldon Miller. Angela.

  STATEMENT OF ANGELA HUFFMAN, CO-FOUNDER AND VICE PRESIDENT, 
        FARM ACTION; OWNER, WIDE-AWAKE FARM, WHARTON, OH

    Ms. Huffman. Hello. My name is Angela Huffman. I'm a co-
founder of Farm Action and I farm in Wyandot County. I look 
around our state and it's corn and soybeans farmland as far as 
the eye can see, but not a lot of food.
    COVID was a wake up call, but what about the next crisis? 
Food security is national security, and we have neither. The 
majority of this corn and soybeans becomes cheap industrial 
livestock feed that ultimately benefits the meatpacking 
monopoly or becomes unhealthy processed junk food.
    The government nutritional guidelines recommend 50 percent 
of our plate be filled with fruits and vegetables, yet only two 
percent of farm supports go to their production. This is 
backwards.
    The only thing our food system guarantees is that the CEOs 
of China, Smithfield, Brazil's JBS, and the American Cargill 
family get richer. To grow all of this corn and soybeans, we 
depend on synthetic fertilizers, pesticides, and herbicides. 
Glyphosate is in our air, water, rain and our bodies.
    The integrity of the soil is nearly gone. Experts say we 
have 60 years of farming left if this degradation continues. 
And for what? So Germany's Bayer, Monsanto can sell more seeds 
and chemicals and then turn around and get rich off our chemo 
treatments.
    Our foreign policy serves a handful of multinational 
corporations when they need to serve our people. To start, we 
need more investment in food, not feed. We must expand crop 
insurance options to support more diversified operations and 
provide government assistance for organic transition programs.
    Let's build local to eat local. According to the Bucko 
Quality Beef Association, in the 1960s, there were 17 federally 
inspected slaughter plants in Columbus, Ohio, alone. By the 
early 2000, there were none left in the entire state that could 
process a truckload of cattle. During the pandemic, empty 
shelves highlighted the vulnerability of our concentrated food 
system.
    Yellow Bird Food Shed, a community supported agriculture 
program out of Mt. Vernon consistently provided me with great 
local foods. By investing in our local and regional food 
systems, we can make sure Ohio's farmers have reliable market 
opportunities. The loan program should be expanded in the 
upcoming farm bill.
    USDA should also use its purchasing power to support the $1 
billion investment in local and regional meat and poultry 
processing. Finally, let's take care of better care of our 
natural resources. Recipients of subsidized programs should be 
required to commit to conservation practices.
    Cover cropping can help farmers ease their dependence on 
the corrupt and concentrated fertilizer industry. The COVER Act 
(H.R. 8527, Conservation Opportunity and Voluntary Environment 
Resilience Program Act) includes premium discount on Federal 
crop insurance plans and should be written into the 2023 Farm 
Bill.
    We didn't get where we are overnight and we're not going to 
fix it in one farm bill, but we have to begin to shift for the 
sake of our farmers and all of us who eat. Thank you for the 
opportunity and hosting this session today.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Angela. I hope you can turn that 
into a piece of legislation, Angela. Jerome, you're up.

 STATEMENT OF JEROME C. CUNNINGHAM, FREMONT, OH; ON BEHALF OF 
                  SANDUSKY COUNTY FARM BUREAU

    Mr. Cunningham. Thank you for inviting me to speak. When I 
signed up back here, I thought we were signing in for the 
meeting. Expected important people to be speaking.
    Mrs. Bustos. You're all important.
    Mr. Cunningham. Well, thank you. There are a couple of 
things that are on my mind. When you set up the money for aid 
programs, the programs need to work in the manner that the 
farmers need. I'll give you an example.
    I signed up for an EQIP program to expand my cover crop 
acres on my farm. I had put 16 acres rye out to try and control 
erosion in my river bottom. So I went and I thought, well, I'll 
get some more money.
    I'll expand further on my farm on more acres. They said, 
have you ever tried to cover crops? Yes, I have 16 acres. Well, 
then you know the value of that. You're not eligible for the 
program. I don't think that should be. There's another thing I 
want you to start thinking about, and that is the conservation 
of our valuable farmland that we have.
    If you go south of Indianapolis, you'll see what I mean. 
Nice, flat, black farmland with huge buildings, bigger than I 
ever thought I'd ever see in my lifetime. The same thing is 
happening on the west side of Columbus.
    They don't build on the hills. They build on a nice, flat, 
easy to farm ground. And one of these days, all that ground is 
going to be gone. And we're not going to be exporting. We're 
going to be just having enough to get by. So those are 
something that I want you to think about for the future. Thank 
you.
    Mrs. Bustos. It's a very deep thought. Kristin Woodall, 
Sheldon Miller, Kristy Buskirk, Don Timmons. Kristin.

 STATEMENT OF KRISTIN WOODALL, DIRECTOR, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT 
                PROGRAMS, GREAT LAKES COMMUNITY 
                ACTION PARTNERSHIP, FREMONT, OH

    Ms. Woodall. Good afternoon. And I would like to thank you 
both for your contributions to the Agriculture Committee and 
being here today to allow us to express our opinions and views. 
I appreciate that.
    I'm Kristin Woodall. I'm the Director of Community 
Development Programs at Great Lakes Community Action 
Partnership. One of our programs within my department is the 
Rural Community Assistance Partnership Program, which is a 
nationwide program throughout the entire United States.
    And we operate the Great Lakes region, which includes both 
Illinois and Ohio. I'm here today to talk a little bit about 
the rural community development programs that are within the 
farm bill.
    Specifically, RCDI is one of those, and we are greatly 
appreciative that there is something that focuses on rural 
community development within the farm bill. However, we feel 
that it's under-funded. For the past several years, it's been 
only operating under $46 million within the entire nation.
    So I'm here to support more funding for that program, and 
to also look at possibly reducing the match that's required for 
that. You're allowed to borrow--or you're allowed to apply for 
up to $250,000 and that does have to match 1 to 1.
    And sometimes that's a hardship for the communities to try 
to do that. It is a very flexible program, so there's no real 
one silver bullet that fits all rural communities, depending on 
where they're at in the nation. And even within Ohio itself, to 
develop programs, and to develop the communities themselves 
takes a lot of different efforts.
    But RCDI is very flexible with this. I did want to mention 
that one of the few studies conducted on the impacts of the 
farm bill on rural communities was conducted by the University 
of New Hampshire with the University of Utah, and their 
findings showed the following.
    One of the most important farm bill programs for the well-
being of rural communities are the Rural Development and 
Nutrition programs because of their wide reach and direct 
impacts.
    Rural Development programs are likely to have the most 
impact per dollar spent, and efforts to promote broad rural 
community development provide for non-farm employment and 
sustainable amenities and quality of life are more important to 
most of the farm families.
    In 2019, a study by USDA's Economic Research Service showed 
that off-farm income contributed 82 percent of income for 
family farms, making Rural Development a critical and woefully 
under-funded part of the farm bill. Thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. All right. Thank you. Sheldon Miller.
    Ms. Kaptur. While he's coming up to the microphone, I just 
wanted to say, I thought very hard and worked hard for the 
current provisions in the farm legislation to promote urban 
farmers' markets and the EBT machines being able to be given to 
farmers who have farm stands, thinking of ways to try to 
connect our farmers to markets.
    Okay, so our dad was a produce man and an independent truck 
driver and owned our own little family store. And I saw him go 
to the countryside, right, and get the product. And so he 
became the entrepreneur, right, between the country and the 
city.
    But imagine on a larger scale for the country, if you go to 
the West Side Market in Cleveland or the Toledo Farmers' 
Market, which was dead 40 years ago, you go now to Toledo, you 
cannot buy a condo for under $150,000 or more in downtown 
Toledo because the farmers' market, now has 100 vendors. And 
because--I think Rebecca Singer is here today.
    Rebecca Singer of the Center for Innovative Food 
Technologies is helping local people turn their dressings and 
so forth into products through the shelf, Garlic Expressions 
and Gurdy's Barbecue Sauce and all these different things.
    All of a sudden, you have growth in the economy that's 
connected to the rural countryside. We need better connections 
between rural and urban, whether it's Cleveland, Columbus, 
Toledo, wherever the towns are and our rural countryside, and 
don't turn your back on the local market.
    And we have legislation that's already been passed. There's 
funding in those programs for improvement. Some of our markets, 
like in Toledo, are even opening during some of the days of the 
winter months.
    Now, that wasn't even happening 40 years ago. It's taken a 
long time, but all of a sudden there's income that's being made 
and that could happen in every community in Ohio. So the first 
markets we recapture are our own. And one of our problems is in 
the supermarkets, they charge you these slotting fees.
    So if you make a local soda like root beer or something 
like that, you can't afford to pay with Pepsi. They charge you 
a slotting fee of $5,000 to get on the shelf. That's why all 
the Pepsi and Coke are at eyes' level. And if you have a local 
bottler, they're somewhere underneath on the bottom shelf.
    There are so many ways of keeping people off the shelf. But 
we need to use our consumers to help to fuel this rebirth of 
additional income back to the countryside. So I just wanted to 
throw that one out you. Thank you.
    All right. Sheldon.

 STATEMENT OF SHELDON MILLER, OPERATOR, SHELDON MILLER FARMS; 
       MEMBER, OTTAWA COUNTY FARM BUREAU, OAK HARBOR, OH

    Mr. Miller. Hello, I'm Sheldon Miller. I'm a farmer in 
Ottawa County. With my family, I've recently went full time 
farming. I'm heavily involved in cover cropping, and I've got 
filter strips, and mow and maintain around my farm. Mostly no-
till.
    I'm doing a lot of foliar feeding, which is kind of one 
thing that's being forgotten about. We do a lot of tissue 
samples. We take that back then to the farm and we're able to 
fix our crops with those. I'm specifically having a lot of good 
luck with that.
    With those filter--or with those tissue samples, then we're 
able to instead of applying directly fertilizer to the ground, 
we're literally giving them particle growth per day and we're 
able to get a little better crop out of that, I'm finding.
    A few things that has been happening in our local 
neighborhoods and a couple of townships is the conservation and 
NRCS programs are taking grown out of production to be put into 
wetlands. And when that is happening, it seems as if the 
landowners tend to go that way instead of having it farmed.
    And when these programs are put in, the dikes and the moats 
and stuff are installed, none of our farm water goes through 
there. Very little--I shouldn't say none, but very little. So 
it's not really changing anything in some of the ground that I 
farm, some of the toughest ground in the county.
    So it's not like it's highly productive ground. And I'm 
talking hundreds of thousands of acres in a handful of 
townships is being taken out of production, which then brings 
geese and eating crops and a whole other issue of noxious 
weeds.
    After then they start growing. It's a big, big deal. It is 
a very much soil problem. Another thing I wanted to bring up is 
literally prices. We used to buy Round-Up for $20 a gallon.
    Now at $70 a gallon, including our fertilizer prices are 
up. I don't have a whole lot, but we're trying to do everything 
that we can with as little as we got but it's difficult to 
maintain a farm with these type of things coming down the pike 
as far as--it'd be like the biggest landowner, or the biggest 
farmer coming around and saying, I want to rent your ground, 
not the smaller guys that wants to actually farm it. Thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Sheldon. Kristy. Kristy Buskirk. 
Then Don Timmons, Emily Kichler, I think.
    Ms. Buskirk. Hi.
    Mrs. Bustos. Hi, Kristy.

       STATEMENT OF KRISTY BUSKIRK, OPERATOR, CLAY HILL 
      ORGANIC FARM; MEMBER, OHIO ECOLOGICAL FOOD AND FARM 
                    ASSOCIATION, TIFFIN, OH

    Ms. Buskirk. I'm Kristy Buskirk. I am a certified organic 
farmer. I farm about 30 miles from here, north of Tiffin in 
Seneca County. I grow produce and cut flowers. I am a member of 
OEFFA, and I'm here today--OEFFA and I both agree that we want 
increased investments in local and regional food systems.
    And this is kind of twofold for me. I am in my ninth 
season. So I'm a first generation farmer as well as a beginner 
farmer. I'm technically classified as. We sell currently direct 
to consumers, mainly through farmers' markets. I sell in 
Toledo, I sell in BG, and I also sell in Tiffin. As I mature my 
operation, farmers' markets are pretty volatile.
    We have had major weather events at one of my farmers' 
markets this year. It had been over 90 for half of the 
markets. We got rained out. That becomes very hard. As I mature 
my operation, well hopefully--we want investments in local 
processing facilities such as flash freezing. So facilities and 
contracts.
    I heard some women mention about food banks. In the 
beginning the direct to consumer was very convenient for a 
beginner farmer. But as we mature, getting stuff onto contract, 
and as my skills grow, being able to have these facilities like 
flash freezing. It's obviously seasonal here.
    We cannot get our food into schools, hospitals. Having 
these local facilities that allow producers to capture the food 
at the height of the season and then distribute it, I think 
would benefit me and the local economy. I also sit on the Board 
of the Seneca County Common Ground. We are an agricultural 
promotional nonprofit.
    We are very young, but we want to benefit farmers and the 
local community. We are putting together a community kitchen. 
We have been researching this 4 years. The intention was to 
have classes and things to get people growing food. I do not 
have any of the stats for you, but we would probably all be 
very saddened to know the amount of cooking that actually 
happens in households now, especially in agricultural area.
    The access to food is probably lower than any of us would 
ever expect in my community. So the community kitchen is 
providing the kitchen and the know how in the classes. Also, 
they wanted a processing for small food businesses to also 
grow. You mentioned Gurdy's. I work beside all those places 
that you talked about at the farmers' market. There's a 
processing facility in BG.
    But trying to get the community kitchen up and growing--we 
have all the relationships in place. We have applied for 
multiple grants, but we cannot get the funding to help us 
really step up growing these facilities and having the stuff in 
the community to support healthy food and the small businesses. 
Thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Kristy. Breaking news, the USDA 
announced the organic transition initiative today. And what 
does that mean? It includes an extra ten percent premium 
subsidy for crops in transition to organic, and $5 per acre 
premium discount for grain and feed crops that are organic, and 
it will start to be available in 2023. So there's your breaking 
news on that.
    [Applause].
    Mrs. Bustos. All right. So another just quick announcement. 
We have 34 speakers remaining. We have--I'm sorry. This is 
wrong: 19. It said 34, so I take direction really well. So we 
have 19 speakers remaining, and we have how much time left, 35 
minutes? So look back here, but we're going to be strict about 
keeping that to the time, all right. Don Timmins, Emily 
Kichler, I believe, Fritz Mueller, Chad Corso. Come on up. 
Okay, great. Don, we accept. Emily Kichler.
    Ms. Kaptur. While Emily is coming up, Madam Chair, I just 
want to say for Kristy Buskirk, who just spoke, I hope you are 
in close touch with the Center for Innovative Food Technology 
based on around 582 enhancements. Are you?
    Ms. Buskirk. I'm not----
    Ms. Kaptur. Yes. I think you need to have a very long talk 
and we will help bring you both up further. You're on the right 
track.
    Mrs. Bustos. All right, Emily.

STATEMENT OF EMILY KICHLER, CLEVELAND, OHIO; ON BEHALF OF FARM 
                             ACTION

    Ms. Kichler. Congresswoman, thank you so much. My name is 
Emily Kichler. I come from Cleveland, Ohio, where I work at a 
local organic cafe. I'm just going to jump in. Support is 
needed for nationwide composting programs.
    About \1/3\ of trash in the U.S. is food waste, 
contributing significantly to greenhouse gas emissions rather 
than being used to support healthy and nutrient rich soils 
through compost. About 40 percent is wasted in the U.S., which 
is not only a problem for landfills but for people in need of 
better access to food.
    Support for compost could look like nationwide composting 
education, increased funding for existing programs, and 
incentives for new programs. Second, meat, dairy, and select 
monocrops receive substantial subsidies while diversified 
ranges of local fruits and vegetables do not. Fruits and 
vegetables only receive two to five percent of Federal farm 
subsidies.
    Dairy has been supported with buyback programs for expiring 
milk, which are able to continue privately, while fruits and 
vegetables have not received the same level of support. 
Fluctuating demand means that fruits and vegetables can end up 
being left in fields to rot when demand is low.
    Not only does dairy have its own promotion and research 
program, giving it leverage and tension over other options. But 
dairy producers are also mandated to contribute to its fund. 
Cutting the Dairy Promotion Research Program completely or 
removing the mandate for producer contribution could alleviate 
pressure on farmers and could help level the playing field for 
other foods.
    At the cafe, soy and oat milk are each an additional $0.50 
or more per 8 ounce at cost and considering the significant 
difference in resources needed to produce each, this price 
difference is illogical.
    Increasing funding to sustainable research and grant 
organizations NIFA and SARE, which support a wide array of 
sustainable growing options for a wide array of foods, could 
help us reach important climate goals and improve access to 
healthy foods.
    Better support for new farmers, small farmers, sustainable 
farmers, and especially farmers of color is important and can 
be made possible through improved credit access, maintaining 
and growing set-asides for all USDA support programs, and all 
of these, or a large number of them, there is more information 
on each of these, including primer bills supporting these in 
the Farm Action Handbook, which I'm happy to pass along. Thank 
you so much for your time.
    Mrs. Bustos. All right. Thank you, Emily. And Josh, to you, 
my apologies. You did hand me the right number. I just read the 
wrong sheet. So he did have the right number. All right, a 
couple of people dropped out, so we're going to go to Bob 
Jones, Tom Demaline, Marissa Dake, Kathy Davis, Sheldon 
Overmyer. Bob, you're up.

  STATEMENT OF ROBERT ``BOB'' JONES, Jr., CO-OWNER AND CHIEF 
 EXECUTIVE OFFICER, CHEF'S GARDEN, HURON, OH; ON BEHALF OF THE 
                          IR-4 PROJECT

    Mr. Jones. Good morning. Thank you for your time. Thank you 
for being here. Two minutes is not a lot. One of the things 
that I think we all have in common here is that we all love 
agriculture, and we all love farming.
    That may be where we divert. We have the largest per capita 
spending of any industrialized nation in the world of health 
care. We have the smallest per capita spending of any 
industrialized nation in the world for food. There's a direct 
connection. Farming and agriculture in our country is broken.
    It's broken economically. You've heard about this today. 
We're up here begging for more money for insurance programs and 
for subsidies, and our people are sicker and dying of 
malnutrition while they're obese.
    Something is wrong. I'm a one percent, not for the reason 
why you think I'm a one percenter. I'm a one percenter because 
I'm in specialty crops and we get the tick, on the end of the 
tail, on the end of the dog.
    [Laughter].
    Mr. Jones. So 99 percent of the food policy areas dominate 
spending. Nutrition, 76 percent. Crop insurance, nine percent. 
Conservation, seven percent. Commodity groups, seven percent. 
That leaves one percent for the rest of us to produce safe food 
in this country. As Americans, we have a choice.
    We will either import food or we will import workers. This 
is not an immigration topic. Immigration is not covered in the 
farm bill. But the results of immigration conversations are the 
direct result, and then we have to fix that. If we're going to 
grow food in this country, we need guestworkers.
    If we're going to import all of our food, then we need to 
regulate the food that we are importing. FDA tells us currently 
that they have the staff and the resources to inspect one 
percent of the food that's currently being imported into the 
United States.
    If we're not going to produce food here, we're not going to 
know how it was grown, how it was packaged, how it shipped, and 
much less important, would we know about the soil health issues 
and about the human rights issues around the food that we're 
eating. Thank you for your time.
    I really appreciate you being here. This is a big job. We 
appreciate your efforts and everything you've done for us. 
Thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Bob. And you're right, 2 minutes is 
not a lot for the remaining speakers. I'd like a million follow 
up questions to that but that's why you've got your 
Congresswoman here who will always hear more. Tom Demaline. And 
then again, Marissa Dake, Kathy Davis, Sheldon Overmyer, Mark 
Goecke. Tom.

STATEMENT OF TOM DEMALINE, PRESIDENT, WILLOWAY NURSERIES, INC., 
                AVON, OH; ON BEHALF AmericanHort

    Mr. Demaline. Hi. Good afternoon, Congresswomen Kaptur and 
Bustos. I appreciate my time for being here this afternoon to 
address the Congresswomen.
    So I'm representing AmericanHort, which is our trade 
organization, national trade organization, and we represent 
nurseries, greenhouses across the entire country. Just a quick 
background of Ohio horticulture.
    Ohio is in the top ten, or one of the top ten horticultural 
producing states, with farming income of about $4,600,000, or 
$90,000--$4.69 million in farming income. And we supply about 
90,000 jobs in the State of Ohio. So have a major economical 
impact. Unfortunately, we are still part of the one percent 
that Bob mentioned earlier of research dollars coming back to 
horticulture.
    And we're very grateful in what we do get in research, but 
we'd like to see that expanded. The industry has supported a 
lot of its own research through our HR, Horticulture Research 
Institute. Funds about $400,000 to $500,000 that's going back 
to land-grant colleges across the country.
    We are recipients of especially crop research through USDA, 
Specialty Crop Block Grant through the USDA International Plant 
Stock Program that USDA implemented a few years back. And I 
also wanted to mention that we are getting money from--
[technical problems]--research initiative that Representative 
Kaptur had helped fund. And it's been a big, really big input 
of about $5 million back to industry, which has been used 
wisely over the last--since 1990, I believe it started.
    So a lot going on there. But we need to make sure that 
we're looking at the future, where we're going, and what we're 
going to do. We seem to be, I call it the insect and disease 
crop du jour that comes in every year--that we have the emerald 
ash borer. We have a box of blight--things that come into the 
country over the past few years.
    And we've got to make sure that we've got the funds 
available and make sure that we're taking care of those 
problems when they show up. And I also would just touch real 
quickly on the need to research--to educate the public on the 
advantages of flower, trees and shrubs. We're more than pretty.
    And I really think the health and well-being that we bring 
to the to society, the ecological value that we broach with 
carbon sequestering initiation and other health and well-being 
things that we do, the economic value that's out there, is how 
can we educate the public and plant more trees and shrubs every 
year and not have the government fund the planting, but fund 
the education of people where so they can--we can enrich our 
environment that we live in. Thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Tom. Marissa.
    Ms. Kaptur. Thank you. While she's coming up, Michigan and 
Ohio have to plant together 20 million trees to make up for the 
damage of the Emerald Ash Borer and the Asian long horned 
beetle. I don't know how far along we are on that project. 
That's got to be very worrying, and I think that'll be a part 
of the farm bill.
    Mrs. Bustos. Marissa.

             STATEMENT OF MARISSA DAKE, DIRECTOR, 
COMMUNICATIONS AND PUBLIC AFFAIRS, DNO PRODUCE, INC., COLUMBUS, 
                               OH

    Ms. Dake. Thank you guys for having us. My name is Marissa 
Dake. I work for DNO Produce in Columbus, Ohio. We serve as the 
to in the farm to fork, so we provide fresh cut processed 
produce and bulk produce in the majority of our schools, so in 
the K-12 space.
    We contract for USDA in the school feeding space, and we 
also sell commercially to schools. And so, as one of the 
gentleman said earlier, nutrition is really the bedrock to 
health and well-being. And that's not--more important than for 
our children.
    Children can't learn if they're hungry and children can't 
learn if they don't have nutritious food, access to nutritious 
food. So one of those things is just increasing that real 
estate for specialty crops in the farm bill generally, like the 
gentleman said before me. He did a great job laying that out 
and so I'll leave it there.
    Another issue I would approach is just rethinking our 
procurement strategy with USDA. Congresswoman Kaptur, you 
talked about increasing markets for local and regional 
agricultural producers.
    I think that industrial feeding or institutional feeding, I 
call those institutional feeding, such as school nutrition, is 
a great, safe, solid place to create a pathway for local 
producers to sell their goods. We also do work with to that----
    Ms. Kaptur. Can I interrupt you there and just say, here in 
Ohio, unless they've changed it, the Department of Education, 
which knows nothing about agriculture, is in charge of the 
contracts to buy the food.
    Ms. Dake. Yes. It's----
    Ms. Kaptur. Then they weren't buying Ohio apples. They were 
buying Washington apples. I said, why did you buy the 
Washington apples? They said, because they're all the same size 
and we got the brochure from Washington State.
    So I'm just sharing that. Somehow we need to use you to 
help us get into the Department of Education and the State of 
Ohio needs to be educated about linking to our farmers.
    Ms. Dake. So there's a great program in Michigan, which I 
hate to give them all the kudos, but they have the $0.10 a meal 
program in Michigan, where schools are reimbursed an additional 
$0.10 to offer as part of the menu a locally grown Michigan 
produce item.
    There is a bill that was introduced by Mr. Delgado and Mr. 
Upton, those two Congressmen in this Congress. I think it's 
called the Small Farm to School Act (H.R. 5249) that would 
pilot an expansion of that program.
    We would love to see something like that happen. And again, 
I believe that of this Congress, even though Congressman 
Delgado is now in a different post. But yes, we would love to 
continue to see--we do work with--work on--[technical 
problems]--we do work with local producers. But seeing that in 
that institutional feeding space would be great. Thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Marisa. Kathy Davis.

  STATEMENT OF KATHY DAVIS, YOUNG STOCK MANAGER, AYERS FARMS 
    INC.; MEMBER, DAIRY FARMERS OF AMERICA, PERRYSVILLE, OH

    Ms. Davis. Hello. Thank you for your attention at this 
hearing. Many people have talked about the importance of the 
crop insurance, and I will let that go and hopefully my 
colleague will have time to talk about the importance of our 
Dairy Margin Coverage Program later. So I'll jump into some 
other things.
    To meet sustainability goals, assistance in the forms of 
funds, advisors, and technology is needed. This farm bill 
should aid innovative progress over myriad agricultural types, 
structures, systems, operators, and their varied operations and 
their varying operators to secure a safe, healthy food supply 
for our nation. And I think you've heard that from this group 
here.
    In light of increased interest in carbon sequestration, 
participation in crop insurance and other risk management 
programs, features provided by the government would be only 
available to those operators who are in compliance with the 
Conservation Farm Plan developed through Soil and Water 
District or the National Resource Conservation Service.
    Such compliance with the Conservation Farm Plan for 
nutrient management and erosion control would assist in 
reduction of silt nutrient content in our lakes and streams, 
while also enhancing the production life of our topsoil.
    Innovative support to continue and improve the SNAP program 
and the Dairy Donation Program such as creating more exciting 
school meal containers or the use of the aseptic milk, is vital 
in feeding families nationwide.
    For instance, our local library assistance on our lunch 
program for school age children, but the space for 
refrigeration is very limited. Having a stable, easily 
transported, and stored product would benefit all involved from 
producer to consumer.
    We depend on robust trade for quality, agricultural 
products to encourage and sustain economic growth and stability 
throughout the supply network. To this end, we need parity with 
other countries and market access, development of foreign 
markets, and the ability to use common food names in markets 
across the world.
    However, none of this happens in a vacuum. Our country and 
its leaders must be seen as secure, reliable, and dependable 
partners. Its citizens should not fear censored reading or 
curtailed autonomy.
    We must strive to create a society, whether rural or urban, 
that celebrates our differences while allowing each member to 
choose their own path. My name is Kathy Davis. I'm a seventh 
generation dairy farmer in southern Ashland County, where we 
also do some crossbred with Angus, but we won't talk about that 
too much.
    [Laughter].
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Kathy. Sheldon Overmyer, then Mark 
Goecke, Ken Gordon, Gary Baldosser.

   STATEMENT OF SHELDON L. OVERMYER, OWNER, SHELAMAR FARMS, 
                           ELMORE, OH

    Mr. Overmyer. I'm a cornfield wheat farmer. I've been 
trying to get my farm incorporated into the carbon program 
that's available through private companies like Cargill and 
Indigo and places like that, which are paying anywhere between 
$8 a ton for your carbon, up to $20 to $25 a ton for your 
carbon.
    My ground has approximately a ton and a half of carbon, but 
I can't sell it to them because I've been cover cropping and 
I've been no-tilling for 15 years. I've been cover cropping for 
10 years. And that will not apply to their program, either one 
of these programs, and there's about six or seven carbon buying 
corporations out there in which I can't apply because I have to 
change my practices to apply to them.
    I have to go back to tillage and then go back to no-till 
and cover crops, and then I will be qualified. But I don't want 
to do that because I have a ton and a half of carbon in the 
ground right now and I cannot sell it to anybody because I'm 
not changing from tillage to the other.
    So I hope in the farm bill that they have a provision in 
there for farmers that have been no-tilling and cover cropping, 
that can basically get into the carbon program that has some 
stabilization to it because it is the Wild West out there on 
these carbon programs that are being offered to the farmers.
    Mrs. Bustos. All right. Thank you very much. Mark. Mark, I 
might have butchered your name, but I'll let you----
    Mr. Goecke. It's Goecke. That's fine.
    Mrs. Bustos. Goecke, okay. Thank you, Mark.

    STATEMENT OF MARK GOECKE, DISTRICT 4, MEMBER, BOARD OF 
           DIRECTORS, OHIO CATTLEMEN'S ASSOCIATION, 
                          SPENCER, OH

    Mr. Goecke. Thank you for the opportunity to share some 
brief comments on the upcoming 2023 Farm Bill. My name is Mark 
Goecke from Spencer, Ohio. My family farms in Allen County, 
Ohio. We market about 3,000 head of cattle every year, and we 
also grow corn, soybeans, and wheat.
    In addition, I also serve on the Board of Directors for the 
Cattlemen's Association and represent beef cattle and farm 
families from five of the largest agricultural counties in 
Ohio. Ohio cattlemen would like to thank the Congresswomen for 
giving us the opportunity here.
    As Members of Congress and other agricultural organization 
discuss the upcoming farm bill, the Ohio Cattlemen's 
Association, along with the National Cattlemen's Beef 
Association, have been engaged in conversations regarding the 
importance of the cattle industry priorities in the bill.
    These priorities include protecting voluntary conservation 
programs, strengthening the risk management programs and 
disaster programs for producers, and protecting the animal 
health provisions secured in the 2018 Farm Bill.
    Our priorities for the 2023 Farm Bill are based on 
extensive producer input and include: one, protecting animal 
health through programs that guard against the spread of 
foreign animal diseases such as the National Animal Vaccine and 
Veterinary Countermeasures Bank, which currently houses 
vaccines for foot-and-mouth disease.
    Funding for this program is critical to maintaining the 
health of our herds from these disease threats. Two, 
strengthening our risk programs that involve that provide 
cattle producers with added protection against weather events 
and price declines.
    And three, promoting voluntary conservation programs that 
provide support for producers to implement conservation 
practices free from government mandates.
    And number four, supporting disaster recovery programs that 
help producers return to normal operations following adverse 
weather, attacks by predators, or extreme conditions like 
drought and wildfires. And once again, thank you for the 
opportunity to highlight these.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Mark Goecke.
    Ms. Kaptur. Before you leave the microphone, maybe you'll 
take on this project. This is something I need from you.
    Mr. Goecke. Okay.
    Ms. Kaptur. All right. If I go to Washington, D.C., which 
is a metro area of about two to three million people, and I go 
to the sewage treatment plant, which I've done, it is amazing 
what you see.
    You see a place that is a net-zero building sitting on old 
technology, and the old technology is capturing the waste heat 
in the sewer, 24/7, 365 days a year, and helping to heat and 
cool that building, which is the biggest energy user in the 
capital region. And is that's true in every city, New York, Los 
Angeles, Toledo, Cleveland, wherever.
    And at the end of the process, because they've installed 
hydrolyzers, they end up with a fertilizer called BOOST, which 
is EPA approved. So here's my question for northern Ohio and 
where I need an answer.
    We have the largest dredging budget in the entire Great 
Lakes on Lake Erie. Every year we dredge enough sand and silt 
out of that lake to fill the Cleveland Browns Stadium 400 
high. We have sewage treatment plants in Cleveland, Lorain, 
Sandusky and Toledo. There's one in Port Clinton too.
    What could we do with this material working with the Army 
Corps of Engineers and the agricultural community and these 
sewage treatment plants to move heavily into a new way of 
thinking about waste material that right now is largely put in 
landfills, except for Cleveland. They take and reuse some of it 
and put it into a little fertilizer there.
    But in Washington, D.C., the fertilizer is so popular, the 
farmers from Maryland and Virginia come and take it away and 
the cities don't have to pay the backhaul costs. You may say, 
Congresswoman, that's too big a thought to think about.
    But I really do think we have the technology now, if we 
have a plan, to do that, working with the Army Corps of 
Engineers. We could do something extraordinary here. We're not 
doing it yet, but we should at least be thinking about it.
    And so I appreciate your comments. If anybody has ideas on 
that or you go home and you think about it and talk to some of 
your friends, let me know because I think it's possible to do 
this. But we just haven't had the initiative.
    They give you all the excuse, well, you can't hold it there 
because it's too heavy, it's too much water and if there's 
just--well, but if you have a plan, you might be able to do 
something really remarkable. Why don't we be the first place in 
America that gets it right?
    Mr. Goecke. To give you an update, some of the things that 
we have done in our counties here. We have built buildings to 
hold our animals. They're completely covered. There is no 
runoff from there.
    The manure is stored underground. We take it directly from 
there and we actually inject it into the ground. And to this, 
that right now I have spent probably about $1.4 million to do 
this. No government funding at all. So there are ways to do it.
    Mrs. Bustos. All right. Thank you, Mark. Ken Gordon.

 STATEMENT OF KEN GORDON, CO-OWNER AND GENERAL MANAGER, PURPLE 
                PLAINS FARM, PLAIN CITY, OH; ON 
          BEHALF OF IFYE ASSOCIATION OF THE USA, INC.

    Mr. Gordon. Hi. My name's Ken Gordon. I have a small farm 
down here in Plain City, Ohio, Union County. And appreciate the 
efforts on the farmers' markets that you mentioned, 
Congresswoman Kaptur. I appreciate your efforts there. But I 
really want to talk to you about turning sustainability on its 
hair, if you will. And that is, how sustainable is the 
agriculture leadership pipeline?
    Because the ethics organization who I'm representing 
focuses on putting young adults, 19 years of age and older, 
older than--once they're out of 4-H and going into college, we 
put them on farms around the world where they understand other 
cultures, they interact with the Foreign Agriculture Service at 
the embassies to understand agricultural trade, they live with 
these families, become part of the families for 2, 3, and up to 
6 months through our program.
    This program has been around since 1948. It was founded--
well, already on 75th year anniversary coming up here next 
year. But it's never been in the farm bill. That has been 
affiliated with 4-H'ers ago. But then 4-H split away because 
they concentrated on 18 year olds and younger where we 
concentrate on the 19 year olds and older, and we put them on 
those farms around the world.
    And we just added Kenya and Morocco last year. We are 
seeking an opportunity for the IFYE Association, the 
International Farm Youth Exchange, to be recognized in the 2023 
Farm Bill and funded through the farm bill coming up.
    So if you're a champion for education, diversity, 
international cultural understanding, international trade, 
developing young leaders that will help keep the United States 
agriculture industry strong, then I urge you both to support 
the IFYE Association to be in the next farm bill for 2023. 
Thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. Very good. Thank you, Ken. I'm not aware of 
the program, so thank you for bringing that to our attention. 
Gary Baldosser, Jim Inglis, Reece Nickol, Ron Laubacher, Mark 
Wilson, Linda Risner. I'm going to keep going until the next 
person comes up. Morakinyo Kuti, Karl Wedemeyer. Is Gary here?
    Mr. Baldosser. Yes.
    Mrs. Bustos. Oh, there you are. Thank you, Gary.

STATEMENT OF GARY L. BALDOSSER, OWNER/OPERATOR, BALDOSSER FARMS 
                INC.; REGION 5, SENECA COUNTY, 
       MEMBER, BOARD OF DIRECTORS, AgCredit, REPUBLIC, OH

    Mr. Baldosser. Good afternoon. Thank you, Congresswoman 
Bustos and Congresswoman Kaptur for hosting the farm bill 
listening session. My name is Gary Baldosser, and I'm a member 
of the Board of Directors of AgCredit, the Farm Credit 
Institution.
    And I am also the fourth generation of a five generation 
farm here in north central Ohio producing corn, soybeans, and 
wheat, as well as beef cattle. At the beginning of the program 
you asked for, what should we change, what should we leave 
alone?
    So here is my ask. As a lender, AgCredit believes it is in 
a strong position to help its customers weather challenges that 
they are currently facing of inflation, rising inputs, and 
unfavorable weather practices.
    One of the ways we are doing this is through the Ohio Ag-
LINK program, where producers can receive up to a maximum three 
percent reduction in their operating costs annually, either for 
new or existing farm loans.
    We are also asking that we improve the synergy between FSA, 
a division of the USDA, and the Farm Credit Administration, 
specifically in expanding their definitions of what a farm 
entity is. Farmers are modern businessmen, modern producers and 
farms are structured for a number of different reasons, 
including liability and, or transition.
    And producers working with FSA--FSA doesn't always 
recognize the differences in those entities to be able to help 
facilitate programs, including conservation programs, and make 
them eligible.
    Just because a farmer changes their entity status may 
possibly make them ineligible to participate in a program. I 
would also like to draw attention again. Time is up. In 
closing, what I would like to leave you with is we are all here 
for the same reason, that is to help promote agriculture.
    And we do this with a passion. Farmers are very passionate 
about what they do. I am reminded of that passion and the 
legacy that my family brings with my father's work who's 
sitting in my office every day.
    Please take the heart. We are here to make things better 
and continue to ask for our help in doing that. We know that 
the United States will be a better place if agriculture is at 
the table to participate in the discussion.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Gary. And thanks for the, bringing 
your dad's boots here. That's a great reminder. I appreciate 
you doing that. Thank you very much. You're a good marketer. 
Jim Inglis. And you guys, we have 10 minutes left if we want to 
finish on time.

  STATEMENT OF JIM INGLIS, DIRECTOR OF GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS, 
    PHEASANTS FOREVER AND QUAIL FOREVER, UPPER SANDUSKY, OH

    Mr. Inglis. Thank you. Jim Inglis here and I'm here today 
representing Pheasants Forever and Quail Forever, including our 
5,000 Ohio volunteers and members and our 400,000 supporters 
nationwide.
    When we ask our farmers, ranchers, and landowners to 
implement conservation, they should fully be supported with 
technical assistance and fairly compensated with financial 
assistance, as these programs have far reaching benefits to our 
society. Voluntary conservation programs provide numerous 
economic and ecological benefits.
    In addition, conservation programs help sustain ecosystems 
that provide outdoor recreational opportunities. And just look 
at Lake Erie, for example. And Ohio hunters and anglers 
contributed over $3 billion to the state economy last year. 
Title II programs also provide tools that assist with 
profitability, sustainability, and increasing resiliency on 
private and public lands.
    In Ohio, we find some great examples of conservation 
partnerships. Again, I pointed to Lake Erie and the 
Conservation Reserve Enhancement Program that was initiated 22 
years ago. That's had some great successes. And overall CREP 
has nearly 4 decade history of demonstrated success.
    The EQIP program is also important. We are especially 
supportive of the working land wildlife initiatives, and when 
we look at EQIP, a lot of the times they're not fully funded. 
And we must keep in mind that this is financial and technical 
assistance that's being requested by farmers and landowners.
    On the partner side, we've been blessed with strong 
Federal, state, local partnerships to implement the entire 
suite of conservation programs here in Ohio. Our agency 
partners include the Ohio Department of Natural Resources, 
Division of Wildlife, Ohio Department of Ag, Division of Soil 
and Water, and local conservation districts that have decades 
in delivering conservation.
    I also need to stress that we do our best to leverage 
funding to the extent possible, and that can be seen with the 
recently administrative and legislatively funded H2Ohio program 
that leverages farm bill program for private lands. So overall, 
we just urge you to support the strongest conservation title 
possible. Thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. Very good. Thank you, Jim. Reece Nickol. Then, 
Ron Laubacher after that.

STATEMENT OF REECE NICKOL, STATE POLICY CHAIR, DUCKS UNLIMITED, 
                           PIQUA, OH

    Mr. Nickol. Thank you, Representative Kaptur and 
Representative Bustos. My name is Reece Nickol. I'm from Piqua, 
Ohio, south, which is southwest, where I personally own a 
wetland that was restored in a WRP program which is now a WRE, 
and some farmland.
    I am the volunteer State Policy Chair for Ducks Unlimited 
in Ohio, where we have 18,000 members. Overall, we have over 
one million supporters, and we have a long history of 
partnering with farmers and ranchers.
    In Ohio, 95 percent of the land is privately owned. So we 
had to learn a long time ago how to do things that assist 
farmers. Ninety percent of the wetlands in Ohio is gone, 50 
percent nationwide. So our conservation programs are in high 
demand across the country.
    We hope to see a continuation of wetland and grassland 
protections in the 2023 Farm Bill, support strong funding for 
important working lands programs like Regional Conservation 
Partnership Program, EQIP, and Conservation Stewardship 
Program.
    And we'd also like to see strong support of ACEP and WRE. 
Thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. All right. Thank you very much, Reece. Ron, 
and then Mark Wilson, Linda Risner, and Morakinyo.

 STATEMENT OF RONALD LAUBACHER, OPERATOR, LAUBACHER FARMS, OAK 
                           HARBOR, OH

    Mr. Laubacher. Hi. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to 
talk. I'm Ron Laubacher, and farm up around Oak Harbor, Ohio, 
in Ottawa County. And we farm soybeans, corn, wheat, alfalfa, 
and pumpkins.
    And we also raise beef cattle. I want to talk about 
conservation for the brands that we've been using. We've been 
in EQIP, CREP programs, and actually in the current market as 
well. But I want to tell you about one program, and it's a prep 
program that my son, who works for an Ottawa--[technical 
problems]--introduced me to.
    We have ground water to Saint River, which is real close to 
the Lake Erie. And we put a 5 acre wetland in there where all 
of our surface water and tile water is pumped through and 
filtered before it goes out to the lake. And that through this 
CREP program and other funders, they tiled my farm, which made 
it a lot more productive for the land I lost.
    I made up for it by tiling and other things. So I just want 
to thank you for--I'm not a big speaker. What I'd like to do is 
keep the conservation funding coming. So, thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. Very good. Yes, thank you, Ron. I appreciate 
that.
    Ms. Kaptur. If I--unexploded ordnance--did you find any 
unexploded--you're not that close. Okay.
    Mrs. Bustos. All right. Mark Wilson and then Linda Risner.

  STATEMENT OF MARK WILSON, FARMING FOR CLEANER WATER PROJECT 
          MANAGER, AMERICAN FARMLAND TRUST, MARION, OH

    Mr. Wilson. Good afternoon. My name is Mark Wilson. I'm a 
soil scientist representing American Farmland Trust. Many 
speakers this afternoon have talked about cover crops, so I'll 
simply mention that cover crops protect and enhance the soil, 
as well as enhance soil and crop resilience to climate change.
    And specifically this afternoon, I'd like to mention a 
recently introduced bill to Congress. It was introduced by 
Representative Casten of Illinois. The bill's title is, the 
Conservation Opportunity and Voluntary Environment Resilience 
Program Act.
    The acronym is COVER, and the bill would codify Good 
Steward Cover Crop program, which would mirror the Pandemic 
Cover Crop Program and provide a $5 discount on crop insurance 
for farmers who plant cover crops.
    In addition, this legislation would authorize a pilot 
program to determine additional discounts on cover crop 
insurance premiums for farmers who adopt soil health practices. 
Those practices would be authorized by RMA.
    In closing, I'd like to see the new farm bill build upon 
this popular Pandemic Cover Crop Program, which has helped 
thousands of farmers plant cover crops, which is a key 
conservation practice to improving soil health and protecting 
water quality. Thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Mark. Linda Risner. Okay, Linda, 
thank you. You've saved us all time. Morakinyo and Carl 
Wedemeyer, and then those are our last two speakers. Did I 
pronounce your name correctly?
    Dr. Kuti. Yes, ma'am.
    Mrs. Bustos. Great. I'm glad I did that.

 STATEMENT OF MORAKINYO KUTI, Ph.D., DIRECTOR, 1890 LAND-GRANT 
                PROGRAMS, INTERIM DEAN, JOHN W. 
           GARLAND COLLEGE OF ENGINEERING, SCIENCE, 
          TECHNOLOGY, AND AGRICULTURE, CENTRAL STATE 
                  UNIVERSITY, WILBERFORCE, OH

    Dr. Kuti. Hi. Good afternoon. My name is Morakinyo Kuti, 
and I am the interim Dean and Director for the College of 
Science, Engineering and Technology and Director of land-grant 
programs at Central State University, Ohio's only publicly 
Historically Black American University, and we're very proud of 
our alumni--Congresswoman Joyce Beatty is our alumni.
    As some of you may know, 1890s were founded in 1890 to 
support historically underserved populations across the 
country. But these universities are going to serve more than 
those populations.
    Currently, Central State University is in 60 counties in 
Ohio providing extension and research services. And I echo the 
sentiments of my Ohio State counterparts about that land-grant 
universities need assistance with research facilities and 
infrastructure and deferred maintenance so we can do even 
better research.
    And I also echo the sentiments about workforce development 
for agricultural workers across the country. Historically, 
black colleges are only three percent of the nation's 
institutions, but we enroll ten percent of all African American 
graduates, and we produce 20 percent of bachelor's degree 
holders. So investments in those universities actually is a 
greater return on investment of public dollars.
    Finally, I wanted to mention that right now 1890s receive 
the Davis scholarship fund every year, which is to recruit and 
retain students. So we want to express our continued support 
for those scholarships because it is critical for us to 
recruit, retain, and make sure students succeed.
    And also, finally, we want Evans-Allen Research Funds to be 
spread over a 5 year period rather than a 2 year period, 
because if we have a 5 year period to spend, you can plan more 
meaningfully and use the money rather than be forced to spend 
within 2 years--because the Smith-Lever funds can be spread 
over 5 years.
    Again, thanks for coming out to this part of the country 
and I'm glad to be here today. Thank you.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you, Morakinyo. Okay, last but not 
least, Karl Wedemeyer. And if I mispronounced your name, you 
can correct me.

    STATEMENT OF KARL WEDEMEYER, OWNER, WHITE DIAMOND FARM; 
    ORGANIZATION REP, 2022 EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE, OHIO DAIRY 
                PRODUCERS ASSOCIATION, LaRue, OH

    Mr. Wedemeyer. We'll see if I'm least after I finish 
speaking. But I'm Karl Wedemeyer. I'm a dairy farmer from 
Marion County, and I also serve on the Board of Ohio Dairy 
Producers Association.
    And I'm here to speak about the Dairy Margin Coverage 
Program. And that program was greatly improved in the 2018 Farm 
Bill. And we're looking to see more improvements made to it in 
the upcoming farm bill, specifically increasing the production 
levels that it covers. So the production levels were set back 
in, between 2011 and 2014 production levels.
    Then during the course of the pandemic, they were increased 
through the Supplemental DMC coverage. But now, when we're 
looking at a 2023 Farm Bill, we're still only covering back to 
2019 production.
    And so a farm like mine who started out very small with my 
parents and younger brother, and so we have grown over the 
course of the last decade and also the last 4 years--so we went 
from a small farm to a slightly larger small farm.
    And, but the program is not encapsulating all of our 
current production, so there is a portion of my farm that is 
not covered through the program. So we would like to see those 
production levels increase to meet what farmers who have grown 
over the course of time, what their current production level 
needs are.
    We'd also like to see the cap of 5 million pounds increase, 
and that would be Tier 1 production. And that is a level that 
doesn't necessarily represent what the average herd size in the 
U.S. is today. So would like to see an increase of those 5 
million pounds. Thank you both for being here today and hearing 
us.
    Mrs. Bustos. Thank you for closing us out. So we are just a 
little bit over, so not too bad. My apologies to those who had 
to cut their comments from 3 minutes to 2 minutes, but we did 
want to do our best to finish on time.
    If you didn't get a chance to make your full point, just a 
reminder again, you can go to agriculture.house.gov and you can 
add anything. Or again, if you didn't speak and would like to 
share anything with us as we gear up for the 2023 Farm Bill, 
again go to agriculture.house.gov. We streamed this, as I said, 
live to our millions and millions and millions of viewers.
    And so I'm sure they were just enraptured by everything 
that we talked about today. I also want to thank Terra State 
Community College for hosting us today. Do we have anybody from 
the college here? What's your official role here, sir?
    Mr. Stein. Corey Stein, the Senior Vice President for 
Innovation and Strategic Planning. And it was an honor that you 
hosted the listening sessions. Thank you so much.
    Mrs. Bustos. Corey, thank you very much for hosting us. 
This was a wonderful environment. I also want to thank our 
police officers for making sure that you kept us safe today. We 
appreciate your service. And I'm going to let Congresswoman 
Kaptur, since this is her district, cap the closing comment. 
And with that, close us out.
    Ms. Kaptur. Thank you very much, Chair Bustos, for coming, 
again, to this part of the United States. Honestly, I'm so 
proud of all of you. Everyone made valuable comments. The Chair 
said, if you want to provide additional information or written 
information, please go to the website and do that. I took 
extensive notes. I'm so proud of you. You really did a great 
job. So give yourselves a hand.
    [Applause].
    Ms. Kaptur. The last thing I will say is that both the 
Chair and myself, we learn at every meeting that we're in. 
We're constant students of the American people. And we try to 
be good Representatives and translators of what you say.
    The Committee that this will go before has a fairly new 
Chairman. He isn't new to the Committee and he's not new to 
agriculture. His name is Chairman David Scott and he's from the 
State of Georgia. Georgia is more like Ohio than California. 
Don't take this as any comment against California.
    But in terms of the nature of their agriculture, I can go 
to the Detroit farmers' market and find a watermelon from 
Georgia down there, so at the market in Detroit. There's a 
similarity in size of farm, in some of the same types of 
products that are grown. I don't know, there's kind of a 
cultural affinity in a way that I think is very healthy for us.
    So you have someone who cares about agriculture who chairs 
the Committee, and the very first piece of homework he gave to 
us as Committee Members was to go to the internet. And how many 
of you have seen this video called Kiss the Ground? Okay. He 
said to me, he said, Congresswoman, I want you to go to the 
internet and you find there, Kiss the Ground, you watch it. I 
loved it. I just love it. It gives you the perspective of the 
chair of the Committee.
    I think you'll be impressed. No chair of that Committee has 
ever said anything like that to me, and then when I viewed the 
film, I thought, he's living in the 21st century. Good. So 
that's your homework.
    And again, I'm just so proud of you and so respectful of 
your spending all this time with us. I'll remain afterwards for 
a little while. We're going to go back to the fair, I think, 
with Senator Wise, and I thank her so very much for making 
those connections for me.
    And this isn't the last time that you'll be able to comment 
on the farm bill because it will be before the Congress for 
hearings and so forth, through your associations or through 
letters that you write us. And we really do try to be 
responsive.
    So, thank you so very, very much. And again, Chair Bustos, 
thank you for coming. I know you're traveling the country, so 
we are just so grateful that you would come here to be with us.
    Mrs. Bustos. Well, thank you for hosting this and bringing 
together Ohioans so we could learn more about what's important 
from your perspective. Very, very helpful. Your voices were 
heard, and we will use that as we formulate the next farm bill.
    So this is a very, very important meeting. Thanks again to 
Congresswoman Kaptur for hosting us. Good night, everybody.
    [Applause].
    (Thereupon, the listening session was adjourned at 2:07 
p.m., E.D.T.)
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          Hon. Cheri Bustos, a Representative in Congress from 
        Illinois; Hon. Marcy Kaptur, a Representative in Congress from 
        Ohio
        
        
          Kirk Vashaw, Chief Executive Officer, Spangler Candy Company 
        
        
          Joseph Logan, President, Ohio Farmers Union 
        
        
          Julie Chase-Morefield, President and Chief Executive Officer, 
        Second Harvest Food Bank of North Central Ohio
        
        
          Nate Andre, Owner, Andre Farms LLC 
        
        
          Bill Myers, Owner, Myers Farms 
        
        
          Paul Herringshaw, Owner/Operator, Herringshaw Farms 
        
        
          Adam Ward, Director, Government Affairs, College of Food, 
        Agricultural and Environmental Sciences, Ohio State University 
        
        
          Hilary Poulson, Growing Forward Specialist, Farm Credit Mid-
        America
        
        
          Eli Dean, Operator, Timberlane Organic Farms, LLC; on behalf 
        of Ohio Ecological Food and Farm Association 
        
        
          Tony Logan, J.D., Principal Consultant, The Renewables Space, 
        LLC; former Ohio State Director, USDA Rural Development
        
        
          Roger Wise, Treasurer/Secretary, Ohio Farmers Union 
        
        
          Vickie Askins, Member, Ohio Farmers Union; Member, Lake Erie 
        Advocates
        
        
          Tyler Drewes, Operator, Drewes Farms; District 2, Board 
        Member, Ohio Corn and Wheat Growers Association 
        
        
          Angela Huffman, Co-Founder and Vice President, Farm Action; 
        Owner, Wide-Awake Farm
        
        
          Jerome C. Cunningham, Fremont, OH; on behalf of Sandusky 
        County Farm Bureau 
        
        
          Kristin Woodall, Director, Community Development Programs, 
        Great Lakes Community Action Partnership 
        
        
          Sheldon Miller, Operator, Sheldon Miller Farms; Member, 
        Ottawa County Farm Bureau 
        
        
          Kristy Buskirk, Operator, Clay Hill Organic Farm; Member, 
        Ohio Ecological Food and Farm Association 
        
        
          Emily Kichler, Cleveland, Ohio; on behalf of Farm Action 
        
        
          Robert ``Bob'' Jones, Jr., Co-Owner and Chief Executive 
        Officer, Chef's Garden; on behalf of The IR-4 Project
        
        
          Tom Demaline, President, Willoway Nurseries, Inc.; on behalf 
        AmericanHort 
        
        
          Marissa Dake, Director, Communications and Public Affairs, 
        DNO Produce, Inc. 
        
        
          Kathy Davis, Young Stock Manager, Ayers Farms Inc.; Member, 
        Dairy Farmers of America 
        
        
          Sheldon L. Overmyer, Owner, Shelamar Farms
        
        
          Mark Goecke, District 4, Member, Board of Directors, Ohio 
        Cattlemen's Association 
        
        
          Ken Gordon, Co-Owner and General Manager, Purple Plains Farm; 
        on behalf of IFYE Association of the USA, Inc. 
        
        
          Gary L. Baldosser, Owner/Operator, Baldosser Farms Inc.; 
        Region 5, Seneca County, Member, Board of Directors, AgCredit 
        
        
          Jim Inglis, Director of Governmental Affairs, Pheasants 
        Forever and Quail Forever 
        
        
          Reece Nickol, State Policy Chair, Ducks Unlimited 
        
        
          Ronald Laubacher, Operator, Laubacher Farms
        
        
          Mark Wilson, Farming for Cleaner Water Project Manager, 
        American Farmland Trust 
        
        
          Morakinyo Kuti, Ph.D., Director, 1890 Land-Grant Programs, 
        Interim Dean, John W. Garland College of Engineering, Science, 
        Technology, and Agriculture, Central State University 
        
        
          Karl Wedemeyer, Owner, White Diamond Farm; Organization Rep, 
        2022 Executive Committee, Ohio Dairy Producers Association 
        
        
          Hon. Cheri Bustos, a Representative in Congress from 
        Illinois; Hon. Marcy Kaptur, a Representative in Congress from 
        Ohio

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