[Congressional Record Volume 140, Number 117 (Thursday, August 18, 1994)] [House] [Page H] From the Congressional Record Online through the Government Printing Office [www.gpo.gov] [Congressional Record: August 18, 1994] From the Congressional Record Online via GPO Access [wais.access.gpo.gov] THE CRIME BILL AND HEALTH CARE REFORM The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mrs. Thurman). Under the Speaker's announced policy of February 11, 1994, and June 10, 1994, the gentleman from South Carolina [Mr. Clyburn] is recognized for 60 minutes as the majority leader's designee. Mr. CLYBURN. Madam Speaker, I want to begin by thanking my fellow Members of the freshman class for joining me in this special order for the evening. Madam Speaker, this week the hot topics on the minds of our constituents are the crime bill and health care. The crime bill took a beating on the floor of this House last week, when its opponents voted against it on a rule. The one-two punch was delivered by those who objected to the crime bill for one reason or another. Some said they voted against the rule because of the assault weapons ban. Others said they voted against the rule because the crime bill was laden with pork. Let us take a closer look at these two so-called sticking points in the crime bill. First, let us take up the argument against the assault weapons ban. When we here in the U.S. House of Representatives initially voted on the assault weapons ban back in May, my office was inundated with calls and letters from people who both supported and opposed my vote. I received a lot of angry letters from gun owners and constituents who saw a vote for the assault weapons ban as a vote against what they view as their constitutional right to bear arms. Let me say that this ban does not tamper with those rights. I support the second amendment and that for which it stands. The assault weapons ban prohibits the future sale of only 19 types of assault weapons, while protecting the right of the American people to own at least 650 other types of guns. Let me also add that for every angry call or letter I received opposing my vote, I have received just as many calls in support of the ban. These calls are coming from people, who, like me are finding it difficult to understand why anyone would fight so hard to keep these deadly weapons on our streets. As you know, Madam Speaker, I represent a mostly rural district in South Carolina. Unfortunately my district's demographics do not make it immune from the ravages of crime. I remember back in January, when the President was winding up his State of the Union Address, a shoot-out was occurring at a college in my district. Two students were injured. Earlier that day, a high school student lay dead in the hallway outside his classroom--shot by a fellow classmate with a .22-caliber semi-automatic weapon and a grudge to settle. The student told police he purchased the gun for $90 from a man in a nearby apartment complex. I don't have to reach as far back as January to recall instances of violence involving semi-automatic weapons in my district. All I have to do is turn on the local news or open the local newspaper. And all I have to do is listen to the constituents who talk to me when I go home to my district every weekend. My constituents are becoming increasingly appalled by these violent acts. These are constituents who are afraid to leave their neighborhoods, attend community functions, or participate in family outings. These people, in short, have become prisoners in their own homes. And what about our children? It breaks my heart to get letters like the ones I recently received from fifth grade students complaining about drugs and the rise of violence in their communities. What do I say to youngsters who write to me asking for more jails in their communities? What do I say to youngsters who fear the rising tide of violence will engulf the Earth? I would like to be able to say to them that Congress did its part by passing the crime bill, which represents the most comprehensive and balanced legislative initiative ever undertaken by the Congress to prevent crime and punish those who commit crime. It is especially for these young people--our future--that I support a crime bill that will provide half of the 100,000 new officers to small cities and rural counties. Each State will be eligible for a minimum of 500 new police officers or equivalent sized grants. It is for my frightened constituents that I support a crime bill that will work to combat drug trafficking in rural areas by authorizing $250 million for rural law enforcement agencies and specialized drug enforcement training for rural law enforcement officers. These are the types of programs in the crime bill that have come under attack by some who see it as only so much pork. Let us look more closely at this complaint. The crime bill went into conference at $27 billion and came out at $33 billion. Why? The crime bill was increased by $6 billion to provide more funds for police officers, FBI and drug enforcement agents, and local prosecutors, to combat violence against women. In fact, 85 percent of the $33 billion in the crime bill is for police, Federal and State law enforcement, prisons, and detection facilities. The so-called pork programs account for the other 15 percent. These programs were actually cut in conference by $478 million. One so-called pork program in particular that has taken a severe beating from the opposition is the midnight basketball program, which has been allocated $7 million--a mere drop in the bucket when compared to the total $33 billion allocated for the crime bill. I want to talk about midnight basketball, because the program has been ridiculed for being nothing more than a Government-funded recreational outlet for thugs. To the young people who participate in and benefit from midnight basketball programs around the country, it is so much more. A midnight basketball program has been operating in my district on the East Side of Charleston, SC since 1991. The program began as a result of a resident's desire to participate in meaningful recreational activity in an area where residents are often stigmatized by the criminal activity occurring in their community. This year, the Charleston Inner City Midnight Basketball Association ended its most successful season ever with a total of 530 inner-city youth participating in a program designed to build their self-esteem and character, and to enhance a dream that they can improve their lives. These are children who did not get to go to summer camp, these are children who didn't get a summer job. These are children who are readily written off by the larger society because of where they live. A program like the one in Charleston goes one step further. During the school year, many of these academically at-risk youngsters participate in the educational aspect of the program--Project Rescue. According to the program's senior organizing director, the Rev. Dallas Wilson, thanks to Project Rescue, 11 midnight basketball participants will be attending prep schools this fall. Several are currently in college. This program is heavily supported by the State and local community. But many more youngsters could benefit from midnight basketball and other so-called pork programs--that are instrumental in redirecting the energies of our young people away from the false attractions of drugs and crime and toward the positive lessons of team work, hard work, and school work. Although crime is first up on our agenda, the health care debate still rages and we must not forget this legislation or the millions of American people it will affect. In our country today, there are currently 37 million uninsured people in the United States. If we pass health care legislation without universal coverage, there is no way to guarantee that these Americans and their families will have health coverage they can never lose. Take a look at this pie chart. It is a very simple chart and the message is very clear. The gold portion represents the 1.1 million currently uninsured Americans that will receive coverage under a plan with insurance market reforms. That's a very small piece of the pie. If you look at the blue portion, you will see about 40 percent or 13.8 million of the uninsured Americans who will receive insurance when subsidies are added for low-income populations. After taking these two pieces of the pie, there is still an enormous red slice containing 22.3 million Americans who will remain without health care coverage. This piece of the pie is too big to think we can get away with passing any kind of legislation with less than universal coverage. In my State of South Carolina 406,632 working people do not have health care protection. Over 97,000 children do not have health care coverage. These people are no different from the millions of others in our country who work hard to make a living for themselves and their families. They deserve affordable health care insurance that can never be taken away. In my district alone, there are 94,000 people from working families who have no health insurance. This means, almost 79 percent of all of the uninsured in my district are from working families. On top of this astounding figure--of the lucky ones who have coverage--33,000 people living in the State of South Carolina lose their health insurance each month. Of the uninsured in my district, 26,000 of these people are young children. Madam Speaker, the uninsured are people just like you and me who may have unexpected medical emergencies and need attention in the middle of the night, the uninsured are persons who need preventive care, they are school-aged children who have ear infections, they are children whose required immunizations should be covered under their families health insurance plans. Under a plan with universal coverage, 5,424 2-year-olds will have improved coverage for immunization in my district; 40,355 women will have better opportunities for breast cancer screening; 160,801 people will no longer have lifetime limits on their coverage, and, 84,632 people will no longer have preexisting condition exclusions in their insurance. Madam Speaker, I remind you that these are real numbers, and there are real people behind the numbers. I recently received this letter from a lady in Florence, SC. She is the mother of two children, one of whom has a pulmonary condition she has had since 3 months old. The daughter has never taken any medicine for her condition, nor does she require any special needs. In fact, she runs 3-5 miles a day. This young woman's father purchased health insurance for their family while he was self-employed. However, the insurance offers no coverage whatsoever for their daughter, simply because of this preexisting condition. This young woman is a college graduate, and doesn't have a full-time job yet. She maintains three part-time jobs--none of which offer her health insurance. In other words, Madam Speaker, this is one of millions of deserving people who will gain health insurance with universal coverage. This is one of 1,142,949 South Carolinians with a preexisting condition who will not be discriminated against any longer if we pass comprehensive health care legislation with universal coverage. As this debate continues, we hear from a lot of people on each side of the argument. We hear about how the elderly will be affected, the young mothers and children, and many other vital sectors of our population. However, I believe we often overlook the monetary affects that what we do or don't do will have on the so-called middle class, the working people that make up the core of America, the ones that are currently insured. If you are a middle class, working taxpayer, making between $20,000 and $75,000 a year in the Sixth Congressional District of South Carolina--or any other Congressional district in the country, for that matter; and if we pass a plan which covers only 91 percent, such as that under the Cooper, Managed Competition bill, you can expect to see an increase in your yearly premium. Let us take a look at the figures on this chart. The columns represent changes in health care premiums, if we only do incremental reform, as many opponents of universal coverage are advocating. You can readily see that the biggest increase in premiums is the column which represents those who make over $30,000 but less than $40,000 a year. And if you make between $20,000 and $30,000 a year, you can expect an increase of over $200 per year in your annual premiums. If you make over $40,000 a year, but less than $50,000, you will experience an increase of $137 per year. Under this plan, you will only experience a decrease if you make less than $20,000 or between $75,000 and $100,000 a year. Now, I do not know about you, but to me and the people of my district, that could mean a car payment for those who make between $30,000 and $40,000 a year, or child care payments for those who make between $20,000 and $30,000 a year, and a college student's textbooks for those who make between $40,000 and $75,000 a year. In my district alone, this increase would hit 89,376 families. My fellow colleagues, I wager my bet that you have many people who fit into this average- American household category living in your districts as well. This information, as you all can see, shows that the managed competition concept of health care reform delivers devastating body blows to middle-income Americans at almost every level. If you are a middle-class, working taxpayer and we pass a health care reform bill with universal coverage, you can expect to pay less than you are currently paying for health insurance premiums each year. Let us look at another chart, the other picture, if you please. What you can readily see is that the same people who would see a dramatic increase in their premiums under the incremental reform plan would experience a large decrease in their annual premiums under universal coverage. If you make between $30,000 and $39,000 a year, your savings could be as much as $165 each year. Again, that's $165 hard-earned dollars that you could save with universal coverage. Under universal coverage, everybody in America making less than $100,000 a year will experience dramatic savings. And those making over $100,000 a year would experience only a $210 increase in their annual premiums. Health care reform, without universal coverage, will mean significantly higher--not lower--health care costs for middle-class Americans who presently have health insurance. By implementing universal coverage, the increase in average premiums is averted because, not only would the sick and medically needy be included in the insurance pool, but also the young and healthy people who don't require as much medical service. By including everyone, the people who don't regularly use the insurance services drive down the premiums for everyone. Just think of this concept in simple terms. If the only people in the pool are the elderly and medically needy who require excessive amounts of medical attention, the premiums will be high because these ``high use'' patients will be supporting the costs of others just like themselves. However, if universal coverage is implemented, many more young, healthy people will be in the insurance pool. When this diversity is reached in the pool, the picture is quite different. The low use people who rarely use medical services will cause the costs to drop dramatically because the total dollar amount of medical care required by all of those in the pool is much lower. When this happens, the premiums dramatically go down for all of those in the pool. That's the beauty of universal coverage. Besides, without universal coverage, young, healthy people will opt out of the insurance market when premiums are raised, thus causing higher premiums for the medically needy who remain. Also, without universal coverage, many employers who presently provide health insurance for their workers are likely to reduce coverage or stop coverage altogether. With 9 out of 10 insured Americans currently receiving health care through their employers, we cannot afford to risk reducing their share of health care coverage. When dealing with the employer share of the costs, it is important to notice the significant savings, once again, by passing health reform legislation with universal coverage. Madam Speaker, we continually hear people from all walks of life ask: ``Where is the promised middle-class tax cut?'' I maintain it is right here in health care reform with universal coverage, and those of us who fail to recognize or acknowledge it are either shortsighted or a bit disingenuous. The middle class of America is deserving of universal coverage and the men and women of this Congress, in my opinion, are duty-bound to grant it. Madam Speaker, I thank you for allowing me and my colleagues the time to participate tonight in these special orders. As we contribute to this ongoing conversation for the Chamber where decisions affecting each and every one of us will be made in the coming days. The mother who wrote me a letter from my district which I quoted from earlier, reminded me the America people hear lots of talk about health reform from both sides of the aisle--but she and her families and many others are ready to see some concern shown and pass universal health coverage. Madam Speaker, with that I remind you and my colleagues once again, universal health care coverage which can never be lost should be guaranteed to every American, because there is no such thing as a lifetime guarantee of good health. {time} 2050 Madam Speaker, I have with me tonight some others of my colleagues who would like to participate in this special order. First I want to call upon the president of the freshman class for the first session, the Honorable Eva Clayton of North Carolina. Mrs. Clayton is going to share with us some of her feelings on the crime bill and what we ought to be doing. She is going to be followed by Eddie Bernice Johnson, the congresswoman from Texas, who, as many know, is a professional nurse. She is going to share with us some of her feelings about health care, and then we will move to Congressman Hinchey. who will talk about whatever he wants to, but I think it will be health care. I now yield to the gentlewoman from North Carolina [Mrs. Clayton]. {time} 2100 Mrs. CLAYTON. Madam Speaker, I appreciate the fact that the gentleman from South Carolina [Mr. Clyburn] has organized this special order, and, Madam Speaker, facts and figures have been tossed around during our debate on the crime package ad nauseam, but facts and figures are not the issues at hand here--the issues are the amount of crime and the number of young Americans at risk and how to fight crime. In regard to crime, there are those in this Chamber that would like to have you believe that locking people up and throwing away the key is the toughest and most effective means of curbing crime, while prevention programs are just a waste of taxpayer dollars. It is a myth that this crime bill has allocated most of its funds to social programs--more than $7 out of every $10 dollars in the bill is for law enforcement, prisons and detention facilities--not social programs. Those same members would also have you believe that the Midnight Basketball Program especially is the most egregious waste of Federal money. That is simply not the case. For example, a midnight basketball league was awarded a Point of Light by then President George Bush in 1990. A professor at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, was kind enough to provide me with a copy of just-completed study on a Milwaukee midnight basketball league. The facts are: 74 percent of the participants feel that there are not enough recreational opportunities for children, teens, and young adults; 65 percent of the participants in the program believe that the league is helping to reduce crime in the community; and 78 percent of the participants feel that midnight basketball is a much-needed recreational outlet for young black men. It has been documented that black youths under the age of 18 are the group most frequently involved in violent activity. Why should we not reach out to those youngsters at risk? Many of the proposed prevention programs contained in the crime bill are already implemented and working on the State level. According to the North Carolina Governor's Commission on Crime: The three different boot camps are working; the youth employment and skills program incorporated into the Cities in Schools Program is working, and anti-crime youth councils are working. These programs are making a significant difference. So why shouldn't Federal funds be allocated to programs that work? Being tough on crime and prevention programs are not mutually exclusive. It is possible to be strong, smart and tough on crime and support prevention. It makes much more sense to nip crime in the bud through prevention programs, to get those young adults before they become criminals and are locked into the criminal justice system. If we head the young adults at risk off at the pass through prevention programs, it just might be possible to help them to be productive, contributing members of society instead of people supported by society. Mr. CLYBURN. Madam Speaker, I thank the gentlewoman from North Carolina [Mrs. Clayton] for that very insightful analysis of the prevention side of our crime bill. {time} 2110 I think that you are right to raise an old adage that so many of us were raised on. I find it very strange sometimes that we tend to go off and get all of these degrees and all this learning, and really what is basic is what our grandparents taught us: An ounce of prevention is, in fact, worth a pound of cure. And if we can just apply that to those simple, everyday things that we do here in this hall, I do believe that we would come with much better legislation. And that is something that I hope we will apply to this crime bill. Thank you so much for your insight. Let me at this time yield to the gentlewoman from Texas, the Honorable Eddie Bernice Johnson, who will talk to us a little bit about the second aspect, health care. Ms. EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON of Texas. Thank you, Mr. Leader of the hour, and Madam Speaker. To my colleagues, let me just comment very briefly on crime before I move to health care. I represent District 30 in Dallas, TX. Our statistics indicate that crime is going down, but you cannot tell that by the newspapers. Every day most of the headlines have to do with crime, and they really are crimes committed by young people. School has only been open less than 2 weeks now, and already teachers have had guns in their faces. They found a gun arsenal under the side of the building. It is overwhelming, but we must do something about it. The presence of all these weapons and drugs and gangs will continue to terrorize our communities and our schools, unless we take a hand to do something about it. And if we do not put a hand in to alter this activity by young people, they will commit crimes with these weapons. That is a proven fact. We are no longer safe in our homes. We do not even use parks anymore for what they were intended because no one feels safe walking through parks. We simply must do something about crime, and it must be balanced. We have to prevent, as well as punish and then treat, because we have learned that 70 percent of the crimes committed are committed under the influence of drugs. All of us know that the influence of drugs simply does not just disappear. It must be a treatment modality, and there must be after-care, and then there must be activities that will prevent the need to fall back into a gang and that environment that starts this cycle again and causes what we call recidivism. We simply must do something about what is going on. We have that responsibility. We are responsible to the citizens of this country, and we must do something about it. We must fund the additional police. You know, I used to fear policemen, before I got to know who they really were. Now I would not live in a neighborhood, on a block, that I did not feel had some attention from the police. They are really our friends. But we have put them out there with not much protection as well. We must have more, and they must be trained properly, and we must supply that need. Our communities, our inner-cities, and our rural areas, are overcome with this influx of activity that they have not been accustomed to dealing with. The money that will help put the additional cops on the street, an almost 20-percent increase in the Nation's 504,000 local police officers, will go a long way in addressing this area. I cannot understand why there is so much opposition and so much rhetoric and so much demagoguery surrounding the bill that will address these issues. It is unfortunate that the NRA has so many people hostage. It is almost like holding them hostage with a gun. You know, I have noticed television recently with Charlton Heston, a very well-known popular actor, but, unfortunately, he does not have a clue about crime and how to fight it. His commercial, sponsored by NRA and the Republican party, is not only unbelievable, it is filled with untruths about funding police officers. It is unfortunate that we cannot tell the real truth to the public. But they are not fooling them. It is clear to me they understand very well about what is going on in their own communities. So when we say all of this and we avoid the truth, we are simply fooling ourselves. The ban on assault weapons has been endorsed by every major law enforcement group in the country, and police across America report that semiautomatic weapons are the weapons of choice for drug traffickers and street gangs. There is really no real legal use for all of these handgun assault weapons. We must stop the flow. And the only way we can do that is take on our rightful responsibility. People across America, police officers, ministers, students, are pleading for us to give them some attention. You know, in my district was a 5-year-old boy sitting on his grandmother's porch one Sunday afternoon eating ice cream, and a stray bullet took his life away. And I received a letter from his aunt recently that pleaded for something to be done. She said I will never forget seeing my nephew. And more than that, I see my son every day, who is afraid every time he moves around. He will not go on the porch. He is afraid to go to school, because all he can think about is his cousin sitting innocently eating an ice cream cone and glancing up to take his last glance at his parents, and then being hit by a bullet and his life snuffed away. I appreciate my colleague taking this time to address the issue of crime, and I would encourage all of my colleagues to let us have a swift passage of the crime bill. I do not agree with everything that is in the crime bill. Clearly no legislation that we pass do I agree with every bit of it. But that is the process we are in, and it is called a democracy. Madam Speaker, I would like to include a statement by the African- American religious leader who supports the crime bill. Statement of African-American Religious Leaders Washington--The White House today released the following statement by African-American religious leaders supporting the crime bill. ``In the words of an African proverb `It takes an entire village to raise a child.' We believe there is no more important responsibility of society than to raise its children to become upstanding adults. Parents and families must shoulder the burden of this duty, but all of society-- including government--must pitch in. that is why we support the President's crime bill. While we do not agree with every provision in the crime bill, we do believe and emphatically support the bill's goal to save our communities, and most importantly, our children. We believe and support the $8 billion in the bill to fund prevention programs such as grants for recreation, employment, anit-gang and comprehensive programs to steer our young people away from crime. We believe in drug treatment to help get federal and state inmates out of the cycle of dependency. We believe in programs to fight violence against women. We believe in banning assault weapons, and preventing these deadly devices from falling into the hands of criminals and drug dealers. We believe in putting 100,000 well-trained police officers on the streets of our most violence-plagued communities and urban areas. We believe in that 9-year-olds like James Darby of New Orleans, who was killed by a stray bullet only days after writing a plea to President Clinton to stop the violence, must have the opportunity to live and learn and grow in safe, decent communities. For all these reasons, we support the crime bill and we urge others to join us in this crusade.'' Charles Adams, National Progressive Baptist Convention, President, Detroit, Michigan. Bishop H.H. Brookins, AME Denomination, Los Angeles, California. Rev. Dr. Amos Brown, Third Baptist Church, San Francisco, CA. Bishop E. Lynn Brown, Christian Methodist Episcopal, Los Angeles, California. Rev. John A. Cherry, Full Gospel AME Zion Church, Temple Hills, MD. Rev. Howard Chubbs, Providence Baptist Church, Greensboro, N.C. Father George Clements, The Alliance for Rights and Responsibilities, Washington, D.C. Bishop J. Clinton Hoggard, AME ZION Church, Washington, DC. Rev. John Doggett, Superintendent, United Methodist Church, St. Louis, MO. Rev. Jerry Drayton, New Bethel Baptist Church, Winston- Salem, N.C. Rev. Walter Fauntroy, New Bethel Baptist Church, Washington, D.C. Bishop Louis Ford, Church of God in Christ, Chicago, Illinois. Bishop William Graves, Christian Methodist Episcopal Church, Memphis, Tennessee. Rev. Joe Hardwick, Praises of ZION Baptist Church, Los Angeles, CA. Rev. Calvin A. Harper, Morning Star Baptist Church, Cincinnati, OH. Bishop Fred James, AME Denomination, Washington, DC. Dr. T.J. Jemison, President, National Baptist Convention USA, Baton Rouge, LA. Rev. E. Edward Jones, Galilee Baptist Church, Shreveport, LA. Rev. Odell Jones, Pleasant Grove Baptist Church, Detroit, Michigan. Rev. William A. Jones Jr., Bethany Baptist Church, Brooklyn, NY. Rev. W.B. Lewis, President, North Carolina General State Baptist Convention, Raleigh, NC. Bishop S.C. Madison, United House of Prayer, Washington, DC. Bishop Haskell Mayo, African Methodist Episcopal, Fourth Episcopal District, Chicago, Illinois. Rev. Randall McCaskill, Concerned Black Clergy of Philadelphia, President, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Dr. John Miles, Morning Star Missionary Baptist Church, Kansas City, Missouri. Rev. James E. Milton, Southern Baptist Church, Cincinnati, OH. Rev. Dr. Frank Pinkard, Evergreen Baptist Church, Oakland, CA. Bishop Norman Quick, Church of God in Christ, New York, New York. Dr. W. Franklyn Richardson, General Secretary, National Baptist Convention USA, Mt. Vernon, NY. Joseph L. Roberts Jr., Ebenezer Baptist Church, Atlanta, GA. Bishop J.H. Sherman, Church of God in Christ, Charlotte, North Carolina. Rev. Dr. E.E. Stafford, Mt. Tabor Baptist Church, Los Angeles, CA. Rev. Charles Stith, Union United Methodist Church, Boston, Massachusetts. Bishop Frederick Talbot, African Methodist Episcopal, Arkansas/Oklahoma. Dr. M.T. Thompson, Berkeley Mount ZION Baptist, Berkeley, CA. Wyatt T. Walker, Canaan Baptist Church, New York, NY. Bishop George W. Walker Sr., AME Zion Denomination, New York, NY. Bishop L.T. Walker, Church of God in Christ, Little Rock, Arkansas. Dr. Kenneth Whalum, Olivet Baptist Church, Memphis, Tennessee. Rev. Frederick Williams, Episcopal Church of the Intercession, New York, NY. Bishop Milton Williams, AME Zion Church, Washington, DC. You win some, and you lose some. But you try to do the best you can for the people of this Nation. Now, Mr. Leader, I want to talk a bit about health care, and just a bit, because that is my profession. I could talk all night on health care. I want to talk a little bit about what was talked about earlier, and that is the overburden on businesses. Mr. Leader, I believe that the Gephardt bill is giving an opportunity to businesses to take on their rightful responsibility. You know, I am a small business owner, and I could not afford a policy. After I paid worker's compensation in Texas, I could not afford a policy to cover my employees. I do not have more than 11. But with the insurance approach that is being offered by the Gephardt bill, an opportunity for small businesses to be able to afford to offer insurance coverage for their employees is the best opportunity that my small business has had. You see, we understand clearly that when people have access to insurance, they will go for the preventive measures, they are in better health conditions, they are better workers, and they are more stable. Because when they come on to a job that does not offer insurance, they are constantly looking for another job. And they will not take preventive care, because they cannot afford it. All of us know that prevention is much less costly than sick care. I am standing here because of prevention. You know, that is why I believe so much in research. I had a pap smear over 30 years ago that was positive, and I had surgery. It was a routine physical examination. But if I had not had that surgery, if I had not had access to going for a routine physical without it costing me more than I was making, I would not have had the opportunity to keep myself in good health by having early detection, early surgery, and then back to work. If I had not had that surgery, I would have probably had to go through a long modality of some kind of chemotherapy, going through lots of misery, putting a lot of strain emotionally on my family, and then not being able to perhaps go back to work, and then maybe losing my life at a time when my young son was less than 3 years old. Then he would have had to grow up without a mother. There is real value in having access to health care, health care coverage, for preventive measures. {time} 2120 Even young children that do not have immunizations against measles will cost. For every dollar that an immunization costs, we save $14, because if they do not have them, they are subject to be blind and all kinds of complications and side effects that might come from having measles. It is so simple to me because I have lived the life of watching people be sick and be well, depending on what is offered to them. Clearly, we must move rapidly to address the issue of health care coverage for all Americans, and we certainly ought to see that the people who are working have an opportunity to have access to affordable health care coverage. We are attempting to do that, and we hope that the big insurance companies and the big businesses that hire lots of people that do not pay them very much will not spend so many millions of dollars trying to sway the public away from health care reform. We simply must have it. Mr. CLYBURN. Madam Speaker, I thank the gentlewoman so much for her very comprehensive talk on both crime and health care. I thought that crime would be 1 minute, but I wish she had taken the whole time for that since that is the most immediate thing upon us. Let us move now to our distinguished colleague, the gentleman from New York [Mr. Hinchey], for his remarks. I yield to the gentleman from New York [Mr. Hinchey]. Mr. HINCHEY. Madam Speaker, I really appreciate the opportunity to spend this time with you and appreciate your yielding this time so that I can engage in this discussion with you about the two issues confronting the American people and the two issues which we are discussing this evening, which are, of course, our efforts to deal with the problems of crime as well as our efforts to ensure that every American has adequate health care coverage. I would like to touch just very briefly on both of those subjects, following your example, but doing it in a much more abbreviated form. I think this crime bill, although as has been mentioned by previous speakers, it contains some elements which are questionable and, frankly, with which I do not agree, nevertheless, on balance, this crime bill makes an extraordinary contribution to our efforts to deal with the problem of crime in this country. It does so, of course, in a variety of ways. It does it by increasing the number of police officers who will be available in our communities, whether those communities are urban communities or rural communities, such as the ones that you and I represent for the most part, although I do have some urban areas in my district as well. The additional police officers which will be available through this bill will be available in both rural and urban communities. That, of course, is a major factor. But quite frankly, the portion of the bill which intrigues me the most and which I think, frankly, is the most valuable is that which focuses on prevention, because as has been said here a number of times already this evening, prevention is much more appropriate, much more efficacious, it works much better than dealing with the problem after it occurs. I learned that old axiom at my mother's knee, just as did you, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. That is true with regard to health care as it is true with regard to many of the kinds of social problems we face in this country, including and specifically, perhaps particularly, the problem of crime. In the connection of this bill with its efforts at prevention, we have heard a lot of criticism about that particular aspect of the bill. As you mentioned in your address a little bit earlier, that aspect of the bill has been labeled pork. One wonders why. Because it is not that at all. It is simply an effort to direct resources at a serious problem in a way that is appropriate so that it can be dealt with effectively. One of the aspects of this attempt at prevention which has gotten the most criticism is so-called midnight basketball. I would just like to read a statement that was made a couple years ago, in 1991, by President Bush. He said then, in 1991, President Bush said this: The founders of the midnight basketball program in Hyattsville, Maryland contribute to the struggle against crime and delinquency. This country is finally catching on to the fact that whenever drugs are involved, everybody loses. But here everybody wins. And some may get better at basketball, but everyone gets a better shot at life, every participant. That particular point of view, I think, represents a much more enlightened attitude about the way that we need to deal with the crime problem that has been expressed by many of the Members of this House who are in the minority party in this Chamber. I think that it is unfortunate that they did not learn more from President Bush while he was in office about this particular problem, because I think what he said there is really on target. Prevention is what is important. If we spend a little bit of our energies and resources on preventing crime, then we are going to have to spend a lot less in the future on dealing with the problems of crime after they occur. I think that ought to be obvious to everyone. I would like to turn for a couple minutes to the problem of health care. I would like to begin by saying that I was fascinated by the discussion that took place here earlier this evening, which was led by the deputy whip of the minority party, the gentleman from Pennsylvania, when they attempted to deflate the Gephardt health care bill, a bill which will provide universal health care coverage to all Americans. Frankly, I could not help thinking that those Members who were trying to oppose universal health care coverage for all Americans here in this House this evening, as they have been for weeks and months and, frankly, over the course of the last year, that those folks who currently inhabit this House and who are opposed to universal health care are in a real way the philosophical and political descendants of a previous group of people who tried to defeat the passage of Social Security in 1935, who tried to defeat the passage of benefits for returning veterans after the Second World War, who tried to defeat the passage of Medicare in 1965. And some of the arguments that we have heard in this House against universal health care coverage resound in a very familiar way back and harken back to the kinds of arguments that were made against Social Security and against the GI bill and against Medicare coverage, health care coverage for older people in this country. It is the same attitude. It is the same philosophy. And it is the same arguments that were used against those very important programs. But you can be sure that not one of them would have the audacity to stand up today and oppose Social Security or the GI bill or Medicare. No, they focus their attention now on what we are trying to achieve for people in this decade, the decade of the 1990's, the last decade of the 20th century, to try to ensure that every American, regardless of their stature, regardless of their station in life, regardless of their past experiences, regardless of what will happen to them in the future, will have good, solid quality health care. I would like to read to you, if I may, an excerpt from a letter than I received recently from a constituent of mine. He said, ``Dear Congressman Hinchey, I am one of many Americans, after 32 years of employment with one company, terminated due to `corporate downsizing.' As of today,'' he says, ``I must convert to an individual health conversion policy. Under COBRA,'' which was available to him, of course, after he was laid off as a result of the corporate downsizing of his company, ``I was paying a premium of $848 per quarter. My premium now,'' now that COBRA has expired for him, ``will be $1661 per quarter. This is a 96-percent increase. I have been insured by the same company for almost 34 years and have had no major health problems. I am now facing one of the hardest decisions of my life, to pay the mortgage payment or the health insurance premium. This would not be a decision that citizens of most other countries would have to make. What has happened to the American dream?'' {time} 2130 We talk about the 40 or so million people currently without health care in this country, but we ought to also recognize that every single day in this country someone else, large numbers of people, lose their health care coverage. They fall into the kind of condition that this gentleman finds himself in currently. After paying into an insurance company for 34 years, without ever having any problems of health care, after having worked for a company for 32 years, giving his energy, his sweat, his intellectual and physical resources to that company, he has now been laid off, now been put out in the street, and he has to worry about whether he is going to spend what little resources he has left to keep a roof over his head for himself and his family, or use that money to pay the premiums on his health insurance so that if he gets sick or someone else in his family becomes ill, that they at least will have health coverage. As he observes, that decision would not confront any other person in any other advanced, civilized country on this planet, and it ought not to afflict citizens of this country, either. We need to pass universal health care. We need to do it this term. We need to have the courage and foresight that our predecessors in this House had when they passed Social Security, when they passed the G.I. bill, and when they passed Medicare. Those ought to be the banners which we follow. They ought to lead us on to overcome the unenlightened opposition which is offered by the minority party in this House, not all of them, but unfortunately, many of them, and which was exemplified by the discussion we heard earlier this evening. I thank the gentleman very much for giving me this opportunity, and I think it is important that we get on with this work. Mr. CLYBURN. Thank you so much, Mr. Hinchey, for your contributions to this special order tonight. I think that on both counts they were very enlightened. Madam Speaker, I would like to say, I do not think we have to go back to Social Security and to Medicare and the G.I. bill in order to see the short-sightedness that we are getting from the other side. In fact, you need to only go back 1 year. In fact, the same people who we heard here tonight talk about the dangers of the job losses that we will get if we do something about health care, those are the same people I think I heard in August of last year, who told us that if we pass the President's budget, that the economy would end up in the ditch; that in another year, we will all be back here doing something to get the economy going again, trying to bail the Nation out. The fact of the matter is that anybody who can read and anybody who can see and feel, and especially those people who are going to work every day, we see that what has happened is the creation of now over 4 million new jobs. We see home building increasing, and we see that it is working. In fact, I think I read, I think it was Al Hunt's column in the Wall Street Journal, and nobody can call the Wall Street Journal any kind of a fan of this administration or the party we represent, but the fact of the matter is, that they say it is working. So those people who last year said that we are going to have all these dire consequences, what we are finding this year is that they are passing it off, saying that this is a lucky President, and we are a lucky party. I always learned that the harder you worked, the luckier you get. The fact of the matter is, this President works hard; he is visionary. This party is working hard to show leadership, and I think that you are right to talk about the history, but you do not have to go back that far. Mr. HINCHEY. Will the gentleman yield? Mr. CLAYBURN. I yield to the gentleman from New York. Mr. HINCHEY. I just wanted to say how right you are. I remember that column on the op ed page of the Wall Street Journal a week or 2 ago by Al Hunt, and he made the point that you have just made so well: that those persons who are giving the same kind of argument about job losses with regard to the passage of health care, were trying to argue with us over a year ago when we passed the President's economic program, back last year, that we would see those same kinds of job losses, and we would see utter destruction of the economy coming about as a result of the passage of that economic program which was designed to reduce the annual budget deficit, and has succeeded enormously, and beyond even our expectations. The budget deficit is down now substantially below even where we expected it to be as a result of the passage of that program; no job losses. As a matter of fact, there have been more jobs created across the country in the last 18 months than were created in the previous 4 years. So the same kind of scare tactics that they are trying to use now against health care were used against us and against the American people a year ago when we, fortunately, had the ability as a party, without one vote from the other side, to pass an economic development program which has succeeded in reducing the annual budget deficit substantially, and placing this country and its economy back on a steady, level footing once again. Mr. CLAYBURN. Thank you so much for joining me tonight. ____________________